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Title: What Do You Suppose Happened At Roswell In 1947?
Post by: ER on August 14, 2020, 04:43:39 PM
Theories, theories everywhere, what's yours?


Title: Re: What Do You Suppose Happened At Roswell In 1947?
Post by: indianasmith on August 14, 2020, 04:44:18 PM
Completely overblown episode with an experimental weather balloon.


Title: Re: What Do You Suppose Happened At Roswell In 1947?
Post by: ER on August 14, 2020, 04:45:13 PM
Ah, but what if  that's what the aliens want you to think?


Title: Re: What Do You Suppose Happened At Roswell In 1947?
Post by: RCMerchant on August 14, 2020, 07:58:49 PM
Not something we will ever know. The bulls**t stories changed so much over the years. I seriously doubt it was a flying saucer, though.


Title: Re: What Do You Suppose Happened At Roswell In 1947?
Post by: ER on August 14, 2020, 11:27:24 PM
Likely you guys are exactly right, but to quote the motto of The Lowe Files, "It's more fun to believe."  :teddyr:


Title: Re: What Do You Suppose Happened At Roswell In 1947?
Post by: Alex on August 15, 2020, 12:42:33 AM
They found a flying saucer and three alien bodies leading to the formation of a number of secret government organisations, some designed to keep the existence of extraterrestrial life a secret, others to exploit and use their technology. Covid is an example of their attempts to meld alien DNA to terrestrial lifeforms.

Why the hell not? I make that 80% more interesting than the truth.


Title: Re: What Do You Suppose Happened At Roswell In 1947?
Post by: sprite75 on August 15, 2020, 08:16:20 AM
This.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dx8LFdIXgAEvEnn.jpg)



Title: Re: What Do You Suppose Happened At Roswell In 1947?
Post by: bob on August 15, 2020, 08:45:57 AM
aliens


Title: Re: What Do You Suppose Happened At Roswell In 1947?
Post by: El Misfit on August 15, 2020, 10:09:04 AM
Experimental aircraft crashed imo. This is the very beginning of the jet age and people at the time were more accustomed to see propeller planes than jet planes. Hell the first commercial jet airliner was made in the 50's iirc.


Title: Re: What Do You Suppose Happened At Roswell In 1947?
Post by: claws on August 15, 2020, 10:23:46 AM
This happen

(https://s.abcnews.com/images/US/170624_abc_archives_roswell_16x9_992.jpg)


Title: Re: What Do You Suppose Happened At Roswell In 1947?
Post by: Rev. Powell on August 15, 2020, 10:38:21 AM
Per wikipedia:

In mid-1947, a United States Army Air Forces balloon crashed at a ranch near Roswell, New Mexico.[1] Following wide initial interest in the crashed "flying disc", the US military stated that it was merely a conventional weather balloon.[2] Interest subsequently waned until the late 1970s, when ufologists began promoting a variety of increasingly elaborate conspiracy theories, claiming that one or more alien spacecraft had crash-landed and that the extraterrestrial occupants had been recovered by the military, which then engaged in a cover-up.

In the 1990s, the US military published two reports disclosing the true nature of the crashed object: a nuclear test surveillance balloon from Project Mogul. Nevertheless, the Roswell incident continues to be of interest in popular media, and conspiracy theories surrounding the event persist. Roswell has been described as "the world's most famous, most exhaustively investigated, and most thoroughly debunked UFO claim". (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_UFO_incident)

Sounds credible to me, I see no need to dig deeper.


Title: Re: What Do You Suppose Happened At Roswell In 1947?
Post by: LilCerberus on August 15, 2020, 11:02:38 AM
something embarrassing...


Title: Re: What Do You Suppose Happened At Roswell In 1947?
Post by: RCMerchant on August 15, 2020, 02:56:22 PM
Per wikipedia:

In mid-1947, a United States Army Air Forces balloon crashed at a ranch near Roswell, New Mexico.[1] Following wide initial interest in the crashed "flying disc", the US military stated that it was merely a conventional weather balloon.[2] Interest subsequently waned until the late 1970s, when ufologists began promoting a variety of increasingly elaborate conspiracy theories, claiming that one or more alien spacecraft had crash-landed and that the extraterrestrial occupants had been recovered by the military, which then engaged in a cover-up.

In the 1990s, the US military published two reports disclosing the true nature of the crashed object: a nuclear test surveillance balloon from Project Mogul. Nevertheless, the Roswell incident continues to be of interest in popular media, and conspiracy theories surrounding the event persist. Roswell has been described as "the world's most famous, most exhaustively investigated, and most thoroughly debunked UFO claim". (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_UFO_incident)

Sounds credible to me, I see no need to dig deeper.

What I would like to know is- why was it first reported by the Air Force as a 'flying saucer'?

(https://i.imgur.com/dc35IVS.gif) (https://lunapic.com)


Title: Re: What Do You Suppose Happened At Roswell In 1947?
Post by: Rev. Powell on August 15, 2020, 03:38:44 PM
Per wikipedia:

In mid-1947, a United States Army Air Forces balloon crashed at a ranch near Roswell, New Mexico.[1] Following wide initial interest in the crashed "flying disc", the US military stated that it was merely a conventional weather balloon.[2] Interest subsequently waned until the late 1970s, when ufologists began promoting a variety of increasingly elaborate conspiracy theories, claiming that one or more alien spacecraft had crash-landed and that the extraterrestrial occupants had been recovered by the military, which then engaged in a cover-up.

In the 1990s, the US military published two reports disclosing the true nature of the crashed object: a nuclear test surveillance balloon from Project Mogul. Nevertheless, the Roswell incident continues to be of interest in popular media, and conspiracy theories surrounding the event persist. Roswell has been described as "the world's most famous, most exhaustively investigated, and most thoroughly debunked UFO claim". (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_UFO_incident (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_UFO_incident))

Sounds credible to me, I see no need to dig deeper.

What I would like to know is- why was it first reported by the Air Force as a 'flying saucer'?

(https://i.imgur.com/dc35IVS.gif) (https://lunapic.com)

Nobody ever cites the clarification/retraction the paper ran a few days later: ARMY DEBUNKS ROSWELL FLYING DISK AS WORLD SIMMERS WITH EXCITEMENT https://priory-of-sion.com/biblios/links/roswell2.html (https://priory-of-sion.com/biblios/links/roswell2.html)

More on the story here: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/in-1947-high-altitude-balloon-crash-landed-roswell-aliens-never-left-180963917/ (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/in-1947-high-altitude-balloon-crash-landed-roswell-aliens-never-left-180963917/)

To speculate on an answer to your question, I'd guess the officer sent to investigate the wreckage of the weather balloon wasn't in on Project Mogul and didn't know what the wreckage was. He then made an unwise and premature quote. The Air Force clarified matters the next day. Case closed.


Title: Re: What Do You Suppose Happened At Roswell In 1947?
Post by: RCMerchant on August 15, 2020, 04:39:54 PM
^ Makes sense!  :thumbup:


Title: Re: What Do You Suppose Happened At Roswell In 1947?
Post by: Gabriel Knight on August 15, 2020, 04:53:16 PM
Honestly I have no idea, but every time the aliens subject comes up, I enjoy sharing this video. I know it's probably fake, knowing the reputation of Art Bell's show, but still it's awesome, especially the whole "satellite is down" part. I would make a whole b-movie based on it.

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upADHNA4AIQ#)


Title: Re: What Do You Suppose Happened At Roswell In 1947?
Post by: Allhallowsday on August 15, 2020, 08:19:58 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/NHr7YEs.jpg) (https://lunapic.com)


Title: Re: What Do You Suppose Happened At Roswell In 1947?
Post by: zelmo73 on August 16, 2020, 03:26:03 AM
Per wikipedia:

In mid-1947, a United States Army Air Forces balloon crashed at a ranch near Roswell, New Mexico.[1] Following wide initial interest in the crashed "flying disc", the US military stated that it was merely a conventional weather balloon.[2] Interest subsequently waned until the late 1970s, when ufologists began promoting a variety of increasingly elaborate conspiracy theories, claiming that one or more alien spacecraft had crash-landed and that the extraterrestrial occupants had been recovered by the military, which then engaged in a cover-up.

In the 1990s, the US military published two reports disclosing the true nature of the crashed object: a nuclear test surveillance balloon from Project Mogul. Nevertheless, the Roswell incident continues to be of interest in popular media, and conspiracy theories surrounding the event persist. Roswell has been described as "the world's most famous, most exhaustively investigated, and most thoroughly debunked UFO claim". (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_UFO_incident (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_UFO_incident))

Sounds credible to me, I see no need to dig deeper.

What I would like to know is- why was it first reported by the Air Force as a 'flying saucer'?

(https://i.imgur.com/dc35IVS.gif) (https://lunapic.com)

Nobody ever cites the clarification/retraction the paper ran a few days later: ARMY DEBUNKS ROSWELL FLYING DISK AS WORLD SIMMERS WITH EXCITEMENT https://priory-of-sion.com/biblios/links/roswell2.html (https://priory-of-sion.com/biblios/links/roswell2.html)

More on the story here: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/in-1947-high-altitude-balloon-crash-landed-roswell-aliens-never-left-180963917/ (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/in-1947-high-altitude-balloon-crash-landed-roswell-aliens-never-left-180963917/)

To speculate on an answer to your question, I'd guess the officer sent to investigate the wreckage of the weather balloon wasn't in on Project Mogul and didn't know what the wreckage was. He then made an unwise and premature quote. The Air Force clarified matters the next day. Case closed.


What does a weather balloon look like when it is deflated and laid out flat on the ground? I'm not dismissing the flying saucer thing, but one could speculate that any extraterrestrial smart enough to build a spacecraft would have certainly noticed a pattern of the damned things not flying very well once they encountered Earth's atmosphere, which would explain why there were so many reports of them crashing over the years (Black Forest, Germany 1936; Cape Girardeau, Missouri, April 1941; Roswell, New Mexico 1947, etc.) This is why flying things have wings, kids.

I don't know, maybe the U.S. Air Force thought that a flying saucer idea sounded "cool", so they built one...

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a8699/declassified-americas-secret-flying-saucer-15075926/ (https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a8699/declassified-americas-secret-flying-saucer-15075926/)


Title: Re: What Do You Suppose Happened At Roswell In 1947?
Post by: RCMerchant on August 16, 2020, 07:00:18 AM
^ Look, Ma- no wings!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_M2-F1


Title: Re: What Do You Suppose Happened At Roswell In 1947?
Post by: Allhallowsday on August 16, 2020, 02:18:01 PM
...What I would like to know is- why was it first reported by the Air Force as a 'flying saucer'?
(https://i.imgur.com/dc35IVS.gif) (https://lunapic.com)

Besides all that, it was the Roswell Daily Record that did the reporting...