http://www.alternet.org/story/150703/ayn_rand_movie_fails_in_free_market_%28despite_tea_party_hype%29?akid=6881.257963.0AaPeS&rd=1&t=10
Looks like Rhand's ideology isn't playing in Peoria.
Anyone actually see this thing?
No, but I'll probably get around to it eventually as I appreciate the novel. The film sat in development hell for many years and was hastily thrown together before the film rights were lost. It wouldn't surprise me if it's a hack job. Besides, the novel is virtually unfilmable and Ayn Rand doesn't appeal to mainstream audiences. Being a laissez-faire capitalist and an atheist tends to have alienated her from both liberals and rank-and-file conservatives.
As an obvious lefty I suppose you detest Rand, yes?
Quote from: Flick James on April 26, 2011, 05:55:12 PM
As an obvious lefty I suppose you detest Rand, yes?
No need to invite trouble, is there?
I read too page 700 of Atlas Shrugged.... That was enough. It pretty much almost ruined reading for me because of how dull it was. I honestly doubt that the tea party people that claim to love Rand actually know anything about her other then hating "Big Government".
Quote from: Dr. Strangelove on April 26, 2011, 08:04:37 PM
Thanks, Rev, but I'm not offended. I'm kind of glad to be called a leftie these days.
That is sooo not what I meant.
I'm still reeling from the fact that Ayn Rand is a woman. I just assumed she was a man. Obviously I've never read any of her stuff. :lookingup:
Look at it this way . . . possibly another movie to add to "worst of all time" lists?
I got into libertarianism via Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul and never read Ayn Rand. I read Rose Wilder Lane's "Discovery Of Freedom" and Garet Garett's "the Driver" and I think I'll just stick with those. I appreciate what she has done for liberty in general but the whole vibe i get from Ayn Rand seems kind of not my thing.
I know that Murray Rothbard and other libertarianians who were her contemporaries had mixed feelings about her. Economics is very boring and he was glad she could make their viewpoints more interesting to people. At the same time her personal life was a little bizarre and her whole thing was kind of eccentric.
I think the re newed interest in her has alot to do with the nature of the internet. We are in an anarchic sort of land and people are growing accustomed to it. i think Ayrn Rand would have liked the internet. I don't think Karl Marx would have.
Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan made me a conservative. Seeing a vacillating weakling, followed by a man of true character and purpose, shaped my political ideas for the rest of my life.
Never have read Ayn Rand and know very little about her. I might try and see the movie at some point, or I might not. In a way, from your description, I get where she is coming from - our society seems to punish those who work and reward those who do not or cannot. I don't lie that. But I don't want to enslave or punish those who won't work, I just want them to work, too. And I'd like everyone to get to keep what they earn to the greatest extent possible.
Label me how you will.
We have a saying in Texas . . . "Figures don't always lie, but liars always figure." You can interpret the data that way, or you can say that his policies sparked 8 straight years of economic growth - which lasted until the Democratic majority in Congress bamboozled his successor into raising income taxes!
And, like all Reagan haters, you completely overlook the fact that most of Eastern Europe now lives under democratically elected governments thanks to his dogged determination to bring the Evil Empire to its knees!
I am old enough to remember watching America decline steadily throughout the 1970's. Double digit inflation and unemployment, our entire nation humiliated by an 80 year old Iranian Imam, and the peanut farmer from Georgia failing at every turn to do a thing about ANY of it. Reagan gave us our hope and our pride in our country back. I loved him then and I love him now. I wish we could bring him back as a zombie! He would be a better President dead than Obama is alive!
(plus I'd love to see him take a huge bite out of Osama bin Laden's BBBRRRAAAIIIINNNSSSSSSSS!!!!) :teddyr:
Icidentally, I wasn't trying to call anyone who posted on this thread a liar. My point was that, if you have an agenda, you can always find statistics that back it up. And someone else can always find statistics that disprove your statistics.
Quote from: Rev. Powell on April 26, 2011, 10:05:46 PM
Quote from: Dr. Strangelove on April 26, 2011, 08:04:37 PM
Thanks, Rev, but I'm not offended. I'm kind of glad to be called a leftie these days.
That is sooo not what I meant.
Oh-oh, here we go. What I said?
One of my favorite truly bad movies: THE FOUNTAINHEAD with drivel straight outta the RAND novel (the idea of enslaving masses by bright talented clever people who desered their debauchery wasn't "novel" at all, it was primordial).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swOxKu80JpU
What annoys me is not that someone would hate Ayn Rand. That's fine. What annoys me is how anybody can talk either for or against her work having not read her work. I've read nothing but quotes or excerpts of Dostoevsky, so it would be silly of me to have an opinion of his work, wouldn't it?
It also annoys me that so few people who claim to favor capitalism have read her work, or even know very much about capitalism for that matter. I'm not saying you have to have ready Ayn Rand to know about capitalism, as it was here before her, but it's kind of like somebody being a fan of bad movies and not having seen a single Ed Wood movie.
And the people who take the cake? Those that actually think what's being practiced by the U.S.A. is capitalism.
I guess what really bugs me is people talking about capitalism or socialism or anarchism and not even being able to define the terms.
Is this a sequel to ATLAS IN THE LAND OF THE CYCLOPS? I love peplum!
I don't know who said it, but I always loved this bit.
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
Quote from: Chainsaw midget on May 03, 2011, 04:55:48 PM
I don't know who said it, but I always loved this bit.
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
And I appreciate them both.