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From, of all places, the Atlantic Council.

"Zelenskyy wants Ukraine to be ‘a big Israel.’ Here’s a road map."

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/zelenskyy-wants-ukraine-to-be-a-big-israel-heres-a-road-map/ (https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/zelenskyy-wants-ukraine-to-be-a-big-israel-heres-a-road-map/)


Oh, the irony!

A commentary on the same matter:

"Zelensky and NATO plan to transform post-war Ukraine into ‘a big Israel’"

https://thegrayzone.com/2022/09/17/zelensky-nato-ukraine-big-israel/ (https://thegrayzone.com/2022/09/17/zelensky-nato-ukraine-big-israel/)


According to Rubinstein, the imagined society is a "hyper-militarized apartheid state".

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Dear God, NO.

It's your thread, ralfy, write to your heart's content.  :cheers:

I can only do so because I know no one can counter the arguments raised in this issue.

One of the context of that issue is neoconservatism. Alan MacLeod has a meme about that here, referring to John Bolton.

https://twitter.com/AlanRMacLeod/status/1601695849180168193


From Caitlin Johnstone,

https://twitter.com/caitoz/status/1602081270103568384


NATO chief argues that a full-blown war is a real possibility, and then greenlights drone strikes inside Russia. Brilliant.

From Bree Dail, Rome correspondent for the Daily Wire:

https://twitter.com/breeadail/status/1601159933273071618


From Mick Wallace, EU Member of Parliament:

https://twitter.com/wallacemick/status/1546172011763957762


which also covers my point about neoliberalism.

So, you see, there's nothing "Alex Jonesy" about these points: they've been well-known at least by those who study the matter carefully for sometime. Most are not expected to know these things, but you do now.

Ralfy, you're coming off as a megalomaniac beating the rotting corpse of a horse that died weeks ago. You say no one can counter you (honestly I laughed when I read that) but the truth is your arguments have been successfully countered to everyone's satisfaction except your own. They come down to a point of view rather than conclusive proof, and there comes a point when self confidence begins to fray and self delusion rubs through.  In saying no one can counter you....you jumped the sharks. Yes, this is your thread and you can blather on and on with oodles of your beloved links but may I suggest maybe you ask yourself what you think you're proving, and to whom when like in the famous Newtonian anecdote, you're lecturing to an empty auditorium? Lay this dead topic to rest, it's got no pulse left, and come play in the sand.

Or don't. Sod it. Jeesh.

He honestly believes no one can counter his tragically naive view of the conflict and its origins? I guess I am not missing anything important by skipping his posts then.

Died weeks ago. You mean the war's over?

Even now you can't counter my points, which is why all you do is write about me. And then end with a self-contradictory conclusion. LOL.

Finally, I'll help you out so that we'll can remain on-topic, i.e., so that the thread won't be locked again:

In what way is this argument wrong?

"Ukraine Is the Latest Neocon Disaster"

https://consortiumnews.com/2022/07/01/ukraine-is-the-latest-neocon-disaster/

Well, that has been the case. The only I've seen that barely resembles a counter came from you. And even then your efforts left much to be desired, as you decided to focus on Iraq, a mistaken impression of WMDs, the incredibly ridiculous belief that no false flags were ignored, what appeared to be complete ignorance of the fact that Saddam was America's boy, and some weird belief that I was referencing military experts.

But to prove my point, let me raise the same question to you as I did to ER: in what way is the recent article I shared wrong? Is it the case that the U.S. didn't start to antagonize Russia via Bush, and that Nuland and others were in no way involved in destabilization efforts after?

Keep in mind that both have been documented, with the first known since Kennan raised warnings about belligerence and the second through Nuland's phone calls to the ambassador and her subsequent responses.

Once we deal with those matters, then we'll go to the other points.

As context to the claim of U.S. intervention in Ukraine, consider William Blum's master list:

"Overthrowing other people’s governments: The Master List"

https://williamblum.org/essays/read/overthrowing-other-peoples-governments-the-master-list

It starts with China from 1949 onward and the most recent involves Ukraine in 2014, although I would also add efforts in Hong Kong and Thailand. If one considers color revolutions, then one may even add countries like the Philippines.

To the mods, keep in mind that this is on-topic because of the reference to Ukraine in 2014. The intent is to explain the neoconservative background of this event.

The asterisked entries refer to successful regime change. This also shows why Biden's recent call for regime change in Russia, which he took back for obvious reasons, is not an outlier.

Didn't read your post at first, but I did catch the line about me focusing on Iraq and then got caught by it. Go back and read my posts. Only person bringing that up was you and you kept going on about my not replying to anything you mentioned about it so I finally did respond, but not to any great deal. Even then, it was pretty clear you weren't understanding what I was saying. Feel free to keep talking rubbish though (and I have no doubt you will). I told you to use the right experts for the right situations. I didn't say you were using military experts, if fact I said the problem with your reply to a post was that you hadn't (kind of the opposite from what you've just claimed.

Your inability to understand, however, is not my obligation to explain.

I never said Saddam wasn't the US's boy. Hell, I even said I agreed with you. You are just continuing your regular pattern of making up things I have never said (which is a big part of why I rarely waste my time with your posts). You have literally taken a post agreeing with you, and created some whole debate that didn't happen outside of your own head. No wonder you think you are winning arguments when you are providing both sides of what you think has been said rather than what has actually been written.

Still, as I've said before self-belief, even when it is delusional is one of the keys to a happy life.

Oh, you also forgot I proved you wrong on Putin wanting to join NATO (amongst other things) despite you posting an article claiming it was all an invention of the west.

You aren't proving your points by linking articles (indeed as many people have told you, they aren't bothering to read them, myself included) but let me point something out to you.

A link isn't proof.

An article isn't proof.

An opinion isn't proof.

You have proven nothing, except that you can't get past your own confirmational bias. Since other people have complimented me on explaining my points clearly and well, I'll have to take your comment about me not doing so as being a purely 'you problem'. Sorry, but when multiple people told you that your posts weren't well done you maybe should have listened instead of just replying that they were fine.

Until the next time I accidentally catch part of one of your posts while scrolling past, cya.

I'm not reading these either, just skimming them looking for flames and such. But I agree with you it makes no sense for people to respond to this thread with personal attacks. Since it's your thread, anyone can ignore it; you're not hijacking an existing thread.

But for clarification, Indy locked the first thread because he started it, it was not a moderator action. You can lock your own threads. I would not lock it unless something really beyond the pale happened.

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What counterargument would you like to make about the topic thread?

What point would you like to make about the topic thread? I'm not interested in references to myself.

Also, I read that the other thread was locked because it was derailed by references to the East Asian Miracle by Lester and me.

That's trolling. Is there anything revelant that you can give to counter the points that I raised?

Believe it or not, from Kissinger, and only a few days ago:

"How to avoid another world war"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-push-for-peace/ (https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-push-for-peace/)


Here's the problem with Kissinger's argument: in the next paragraph, he argues that Russia has a propensity for violence but also provides equilibrium and a balance of power. Without it, the world will have vacuums that will be filled by even more war. He ends the paragraph by referring to it as "one of the world's two largest nuclear powers."

And that's the clincher: the other nuclear power is the U.S. What Kissinger doesn't say aloud is that the U.S. is very much like Russia: it also has a propensity for violence but acts as a counter to the other military powers.

In which case, any "nternationally supervised referendums" can't involved these two countries. Who will call the shots, and will the two abide?

Some more articles, some with my comments:

"Europe accuses US of profiting from war"

https://www.politico.eu/article/vladimir-putin-war-europe-ukraine-gas-inflation-reduction-act-ira-joe-biden-rift-west-eu-accuses-us-of-profiting-from-war/ (https://www.politico.eu/article/vladimir-putin-war-europe-ukraine-gas-inflation-reduction-act-ira-joe-biden-rift-west-eu-accuses-us-of-profiting-from-war/)


Did Putin expect that to happen, i.e., he knew that the EU depended on Russia for oil and gas, that the U.S. would sanction Russia even if it hurt the EU, and that similar would happen with other countries, i.e., they would rather remain neutral than take sides?

"WaPo Neocon Josh Rogin: Republicans Responsible for Ukraine Loss"

https://original.antiwar.com/daniel-mcadams/2022/11/13/wapo-neocon-josh-rogan-republicans-responsible-for-ukraine-loss/ (https://original.antiwar.com/daniel-mcadams/2022/11/13/wapo-neocon-josh-rogan-republicans-responsible-for-ukraine-loss/)

We ain't either. 

Oh, the irony.

It is ironic that I will defend your right to post what you want, yet typically it's long winded.  And I'll let you know that.   :thumbup: :teddyr:

This one I deliberately read because I was genuinely curious as to what your response would be.

My answer is none. I'd have to read more of your threads and click on your links etc which I am not going to do. You've already shown several times (and I've not even bothered to pull you up on all of them) that you don't do your due diligence and fact-check before posting, so I don't see why I would waste my time looking at them. Given your previous posts on what I'd term as this one's parent thread, I don't particularly feel bound to stick to the title topic.

The reason why it's "long-winded" is because the issue is complex.

But what's really ironic is that you have a lot of time to talk about me but can't offer any counter-arguments to this issue.

The points I raised come from my earliest posts, and you read them. That means you have no answer because you have no counter-argument.

Don't be delusional: you have not shown "shown several times" that I don't do due diligence or even fact-check. Otherwise, I would have countered your points concerning that, too.

Given that, the only reason why you can't stick to the thread topic is because you are ignorant of this matter. If that's not true, then prove me wrong by countering the points raised about U.S. neoconservative policies from Bush onward in light of Ukraine.

From 2004:

"US campaign behind the turmoil in Kiev"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/nov/26/ukraine.usa (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/nov/26/ukraine.usa)


From 2013:

"John McCain Went To Ukraine And Stood On Stage With A Man Accused Of Being An Anti-Semitic Neo-Nazi"

https://www.businessinsider.com/john-mccain-meets-oleh-tyahnybok-in-ukraine-2013-12 (https://www.businessinsider.com/john-mccain-meets-oleh-tyahnybok-in-ukraine-2013-12)

Related news reports:

"This one map helps explain Ukraine’s protests"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/12/09/this-one-map-helps-explain-ukraines-protests/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/12/09/this-one-map-helps-explain-ukraines-protests/)

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"Far-right group at heart of Ukraine protests meet US senator"

https://www.channel4.com/news/ukraine-mccain-far-right-svoboda-anti-semitic-protests?x (https://www.channel4.com/news/ukraine-mccain-far-right-svoboda-anti-semitic-protests?x)

Related points to give context to the ideology of neoconservatism:

From WION:

https://twitter.com/WIONews/status/1471176740768677893 (https://twitter.com/WIONews/status/1471176740768677893)


From Sarah Abdallah, referred to by mainstream journalists as a propagandist for Syria:

"[T]his, while they pose as paragons of human rights and international law."

https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1601279301118177280 (https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1601279301118177280)

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Also,

https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1600941315507658753 (https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1600941315507658753)

"Western media thrives on war propaganda"

NYT, 1990: "How to Choke Iraq"

1998: "American Bombs Make Iraq Stronger"

2013: "Bomb Syria, Even If It is Illegal"

2015: "To Stop Iran's Bomb, Bomb Iran"

The articles:

https://www.nytimes.com/1990/12/07/opinion/how-to-choke-iraq.html (https://www.nytimes.com/1990/12/07/opinion/how-to-choke-iraq.html)

https://www.nytimes.com/1998/12/20/opinion/american-bombs-make-iraq-stronger.html (https://www.nytimes.com/1998/12/20/opinion/american-bombs-make-iraq-stronger.html)

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/28/opinion/bomb-syria-even-if-it-is-illegal.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/28/opinion/bomb-syria-even-if-it-is-illegal.html)

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/opinion/to-stop-irans-bomb-bomb-iran.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/opinion/to-stop-irans-bomb-bomb-iran.html)

Afraid I haven't read your previous posts. If it pleases your ego to think so then please go ahead. Goes back to the whole self-belief is the key to happiness thing. If anything I've said addresses older what you've said in previous posts I'd put that down to coincidence and that you keep repeating the same points endlessly, even when they don't make the points that you think they do.

I didn't say I've shown several times that you don't fact-check or or do due diligence. I said you've shown that you don't do them. Quite funny that you'd claim I was being delusional when you've misread what was written and frequently make claims about conversations that did not happen. I mean thanks for proving my point. Didn't need the help, but thanks anyway. You should try actually reading what is written not what you think is written. If you want to think I am ignorant of the matter, feel free to keep thinking that. It really doesn't bother me. The world is a lot less one-note than you think though and much more complicated and intertwined.

Maybe the reason I am posting on this thread and not replying to your points is simply because I am treating you with the same contempt you treated the Crazy SOB thread when you were repeatedly asked to take it elsewhere and chose not to. But hey, feel free to keep massaging your ego and telling yourself otherwise, it is no skin off my nose. If it helps, I'd imagine once I am back home tomorrow, or at the latest when I head back to work in the new year, I'll be back to not having enough time to waste on your posts. Until then enjoy the boost you feel it gives you and keep adding 2 and 2 and making 22.

Ukrainian candy is good. I'll post a bunch of links to it when I get home!

Fun fact: instead of corn syrup, beet syrup is often used to sweeten Ukrainian candy.

Til then, a Ukrainian nursery rhyme (though it doesn't rhyme in English):

The chicken bit little Ana's toe,
Then she sneezed and lost her nose,
So Granny bought in a duck
To chase the chicken home.
To chase the chicken home.
To chase the chicken home.

As promised, links to Ukrainian candy:


https://www.snackanddestroy.com/p/this-ukrainian-candy-is-one-of-the (https://www.snackanddestroy.com/p/this-ukrainian-candy-is-one-of-the)


https://www.walmart.com/ip/Premium-Ukrainian-Assorted-Candy-Chocolate-Mix-Roshen-2-lb-23-types-different-candy-Includes-Our-Exclusive-HolanDeli-Mints/132129668 (https://www.walmart.com/ip/Premium-Ukrainian-Assorted-Candy-Chocolate-Mix-Roshen-2-lb-23-types-different-candy-Includes-Our-Exclusive-HolanDeli-Mints/132129668)


https://www.russianfoodusa.com/Ukrainian-Candy-Mix-450g-1.1lb/ (https://www.russianfoodusa.com/Ukrainian-Candy-Mix-450g-1.1lb/)

Quote: "Famous sweets from famous Ukrainian manufacturers.
European sweets are prepared in compliance with all necessary technologies, which allows them to stay fresh and tasty for a long time. Chocolate and caramel candies from leading Ukrainian manufacturers: Roshen, AVK The contents of the mix may differ slightly from the illustration."




Sneak previews of future topics:

Ukrainian food:

"I love to cook and my family share my love. One day I thought: "Why not share the recipes of Ukrainian cuisine with other people?.." The more so because I know so many of them and cook these dishes every day for my family. I decided it was a good idea and wrote this Step-by-step Picture Cookbook for you.
Born and grown up in Ukraine, I’ve learned lots of best recipes from my mother, grandmother and mother-in-law. As you know, Ukrainians prepare meals with home-grown vegetables and greens. This allows to prepare healthy food that is very important. Home cooking is a huge part of Ukrainian culture and life style. Ukrainian cuisine is very diverse and has a rich history. And let me tell you a secret - the recipes described in this cookbook are actually very simple and . do not require much effort from you.
I am confident that you will like Ukrainian cuisine. Enjoy!"


Ukrainian fashions:

"When it comes to fashion in Ukraine, according to Julie Pelipas, “we have always had to fight for something”. The former fashion director of Vogue Ukraine who currently helms Bettter, a Kyiv-based vintage tailoring brand, is reflecting on a market that has only relatively recently flourished on the global stage. But her words carry added bite in the context of Russia’s February 24 invasion."



Ukrainian cars:

"In May 2018, “Bogdan” celebrated its 20th anniversary. On the occasion of the holiday, the company organized a large-scale all-Ukrainian action. Residents of the 9 largest cities of Ukraine - Kyiv, Vinnytsa, Khmelnytsky, Sumy, Odessa, Kremenchug, Poltava, Kherson, Ivano-Frankivsk - could ride all day in new “Bogdan” large buses and trolley buses free of charge.[7] The campaign covered cities that began upgrading municipal fleet of vehicles and moving from small class buses to modern large and ultra-large transport models. In 20 years, “Bogdan” produced more than 368 thousand vehicles. 18 781 of them are buses and trolleybuses."


Ukrainian attitudes toward sex:

"The truth is, Kiev probably does have some of the most beautiful women in the world – and they are present at all levels of society. They're the trophy wives coolly observing the world from the back of chauffeur-driven Bentleys, and the bored supermarket cashiers who will raise their eyebrows if you fail to produce the exact change."

Thanks for that ER. I might see if I can order some.

My pleasure, mate. I just thought it might help us understand Russia's war of aggression if we grasped the cool things about Ukraine that drew them in the first place. Kind of like how Irish women were so beautiful the English couldn't stay home? Well Russia desperately wants a cool place like Ukraine. I am not saying the invasion was about candy, but it was a slight factor.

Hmm, good point. Judging from the contents of my spam email folder, there are a lot of Ukrainian women out there wanting men. Perhaps Russia should just check its email folder more often?

No, it's you. 

Yes! That's exactly true. Putin telling his soldiers they'll be greeted by Ukrainian women desiring them and children giving them candy for liberating them has motivated basically every Russian soldier, but if Russians had the internet ---I checked and they don't---they'd have found out Ukrainian women were available for marriage and Ukrainian candy is available on Amazon. It's a tragedy of miscommunication.

Miscommunication or interference from the (evil obviously) American Neo(n) Genesis Evangelion?

I checked both my Hotmail and Gmail addresses: no emails from those ladies  :bluesad: :wink:

Lol, I'll forward some to you if you really want, but personally, I would not trust the links enough to click on them.

It's the CIA. Everybody knows how evil those conniving sunsabritches are. They should every one of them be stood against a wall and shot twice.

Remember, we are only doing this because we can't counter his arguments tho.  :bouncegiggle:

I haven't read any of Ralfys posts in this thread but I agree with all of them

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/3781964-final-funding-bill-includes-45b-for-ukraine/

that makes 100 Billion in the last ten months

You haven't read them but you agree with them? Yogi Berra is alive and well in Boston! :bouncegiggle: :thumbup:

 :bouncegiggle:

You're free to prove your arguments anytime. I'm saying that because you've never done it.

And so that we don't go off-topic, let's start with Kennan's arguments, because those are the earliest. What do you want to fact-check concerning that?

You praised me in another thread for being levelheaded and mature about this. You need to follow your own advice.

This is obviously another trolling and immature attempt at derailing this thread.

So, I ask you the same as I did to Alex: why are the arguments that I raised wrong? Let's start with Kennan: he referred to the idea of containment, but later it became encirclement. Does that need to be fact-checked?

If you follow one of the reports I shared earlier, you will see that the actual Ukraine is much smaller than what it is, and it grew thanks to Muscovy. But we don't need to go that far because both Russia and Ukraine became co-founders of the Soviet Union, and the problems stemmed from that and not much earlier. Hence, Kennan and the Truman doctrine.

When both fell apart with the dissolution of the Union, Kennan warned that NATO would become irrelevant, and that if it were used as a sword instead of a shield (which is no longer needed because even Russia wanted to join NATO), then that would only antagonize Russia. Guess what happened?

And now, after months of protests in Europe, France is calling for a (another?) break from the U.S.

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1605680239014580224

Neocons will likely argue that because of that Europe will fall once more, just as it did during WW2. But they do because need to maintain the "evil empire" narrative. Is there really one? More important, are we looking at the wrong countries when we use that narrative?

Finally, neoliberals will argue that this is a bad sign because it shows that neoliberalism, or globalization dominated by the dollar, will fall apart.

It's like being caught between a rock and a hard place.

In reference to that, and interestingly enough to the topic thread, we have this:

"Ukrainian President Zelensky’s Wife Goes to Paris and Begs for Money and Goods Then Reportedly Goes on 40,000 Euro Shopping Spree"

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/12/ukrainian-president-zelenskys-wife-goes-paris-begs-money-goods-reportedly-goes-40000-euro-shopping-spree/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/12/ukrainian-president-zelenskys-wife-goes-paris-begs-money-goods-reportedly-goes-40000-euro-shopping-spree/)

That might also explain why Europeans and even Americans are going nuts: billions are going to corrupt Ukrainian officials while they're facing combinations of high prices and even homelessness. Some of the latter even asked Biden for $12 billion to counter childhood poverty in the states and that was not approved.

And all that's taking place amidst multiple audit failures for most Pentagon agencies, defense industries achieving healthy sales, and as the article also shares, more points about Hunter's laptop and deals made with Ukrainian and even Chinese businessmen.

Try "No, you."

Feel free to counter my arguments anytime. Let's start with Kennan: any thoughts about what he said about containment and encirclement of the Soviets and later Russia? Some argue that it needs fact-checking.

You're always free to share the evidence concerning that. For now, I think given Putin's high approval ratings and news about the Russian economy that mainstream media do not want to report, then I can only guess that there are other reasons why the war continues.

As for Ukrainians, I'd look at this in light of funds provided by the U.S. The CFR (good grief, I just referred to the CFR; LOL) breaks it down this way:

https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts (https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts)

More like control of mass and even social media by the rich:

https://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6 (https://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6)

That's why most people are ignoramuses concerning the context of this conflict.

For all you know, they might be transgenders.

FWIW, though, this topic is actually part of the context: one of the reasons Ukrainians had to whore themselves is because their economy started falling apart:

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=UA-RU

And I think the issue has to do with neoliberalism that started during the mid-2000s. That is, the EU encouraged them to break from Russia and to trade only with Europe, and to basically de-industrialize while Hunter and his pals acted as middle men between Ukrainian oligarchs and U.S. counterparts. Meanwhile, U.S. elected officials met with corrupt pro-U.S. Ukrainian officals as part of regime change, with appointed ones like Nulan try to make sure that the U.S. muscles in against even the EU (hence, her statement about "F*ck the EU").

With Twitter Files, I think we will find even more in the near future.

Never click on such links, no matter how desperate you guys are. LOL. But why do you have so much energy to talk about spam from Ukrainian women but can't address the issues of this thread?

FWIW, the same CIA actually backs your views concerning this topic, i.e., I'm assuming that your arguments run contrary to mine. In which case, it's illogical for you to find them offensive.

For clarity, the CIA is supposed to be an intelligence agency, but as I pointed out in earlier posts, it acts as destabilizing one. For example, it might be the main funder or groups like the NED, which in tun contributes to "NGOs" that are responsible for various color revolutions, including regime change in Ukraine. That's also why countries like Thailand recently restricted them.

For once, you're being truthful.

Thanks. I think there's a connection between that and the military industrial complex, which Eisenhower warned about way back in the early 1960s:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyZoUfNsUl8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyZoUfNsUl8)

Meanwhile, Biden is struggling by pointing out that he has a major plan to deal with homelessness in the U.S., but I don't know where he's going to get more funding. Perhaps he will increase taxes because the country already has too much debt, and mathematically impossible to pay back.

One other point involves childhood poverty, and the cost to combat that is around $12 billion. But more is going to Zelensky.

That's because the points have basically been the same, and stem from the previous thread:

- the military industrial complex;

- from containment to encirclement, and backed by two ideologies: neoconservatism and neoliberalism;

- both needed to protect the dollar used as a reserve currency worldwide, but threatened by countries that are growing stronger economically: Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, and around 34 other countries, including Ukraine;

- how war is used to make that complex rich, and also serves as an avenue for money laundering, where corrupt U.S. and Ukrainian officials get their cuts and deals are made by businessmen from both countries;

and so on.

I think even the recent FTX scandal is part of this.

There are more, like FBI collusion with Twitter and the CIA as part of color revolutions, but I'm sure you'r aware of that.

Or not?

Another idea that's related is that of the liberal hawk:

"Caitlin Johnstone: Ukraine & the Triumph of Militarism"

https://consortiumnews.com/2022/09/08/caitlin-johnstone-ukraine-the-triumph-of-militarism/


From what I remember, the term stemmed from the Vietnam war, where liberals who felt useless decided to follow neoconservative beliefs of intervention because they saw connections between free markets and liberal democracy. In short, like neocons, they believed that the U.S. has to intervene in order to free foreigners from tyranny. However, that freedom entailed regime change and setting up U.S. puppets because foreigners didn't welcome U.S.-style democracy and economic policies.

See the connection with my previous points? Kennan gave the same warnings: Russians and even Ukrainians have different cultures, and by forcing on to them Western ideologies more crises will take place. And that's exactly what happened: Ukraine was manipulated by the U.S., and Russia reacted.

This puts the "Russian empire" narrative, which is also part of neconservative views (recall Reagan's "evil empire" speech), into question.

Finally, some related news: the EU gets hit hard while the war machine is in full swing.

"EU Gets Hit With $1 Trillion Energy Bill As Supply From Russia Halted Due To War"

https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/europe/eu-gets-hit-with-1-dollars-trillion-energy-bill-as-supply-from-russia-halted-due-to-war-articleshow.html (https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/europe/eu-gets-hit-with-1-dollars-trillion-energy-bill-as-supply-from-russia-halted-due-to-war-articleshow.html)

"US Weapons Makers Set to Profit as Japan Readies $320 Billion Military Buildup"

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/12/16/us-weapons-makers-set-profit-japan-readies-320-billion-military-buildup (https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/12/16/us-weapons-makers-set-profit-japan-readies-320-billion-military-buildup)

ER- the point is they are obviously gonna be anti this war and I agree with that.


one funny thing about the massive spending bill is it includes a provision that bans funds being used for the Azov battalion.

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This is basically and America/ NATO war with Ukrainian mercenaries

Dude, not reading his posts is hardly a ringing endorsement. Can't say I blame you though. His habit of making up things that were never said was enough to put me off actually bothering to read most of his stuff or take him seriously.

Yes gosh darn it you are just too smart for all of us and it has nothing to do with you just making up stuff that hasn't been said at all.  :wink: If you want people to address your points and stick to the topic, maybe you should have tried responding to what was really said rather than making stuff up. You had no problem wandering off-topic when it suited you on the parent thread. Why should you now be treated any differently in return?

ER, if you want something from Ukraine that is non-sweet based, I can recommend this seller.

https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/837918395/spider-hair-clip-festival-accessories?ref=yr_purchases (https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/837918395/spider-hair-clip-festival-accessories?ref=yr_purchases)

Bought one for Kristi last year.

The U.S. has been using Europe and other countries to encircle Russia and China but can't because the two have been growing economically, together with 38 other countries.

Reminds me of that saying: when all you have is a hammer, then everything starts looking like a nail.

Meanwhile,

"France’s Macron Calls on Europe to Reduce Reliance on U.S. for Security "

https://www.wsj.com/articles/macron-renews-call-for-russia-to-receive-security-guarantees-to-end-war-in-ukraine-11671627645 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/macron-renews-call-for-russia-to-receive-security-guarantees-to-end-war-in-ukraine-11671627645)

From you, that's a ringing endorsement for the values of ignorant bliss. Can't say I blame you, though. Your habit of not bothering to prove yourself shows that you can't be taken seriously.

That's why you spend more time talking about me or yourself instead of addressing my arguments.

The problem isn't that I'm too smart for you. It's that you lack basic knowledge concerning this issue. That's why you're beating around the bush.

See what I mean? You can't counter the main arguments that I raise, so you end up trolling. Pathetic.

In light of neoconservatism and Ukraine, a montage from Turncoat Don, shared with no commentary because it speaks for itself:

"The recipe for the collapse of an empire"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpEcyi_drCM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpEcyi_drCM)

Also, raw videos from Max Blumenthal Zelensky's recent visit:


https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1605737488462520328 (https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1605737488462520328)

From Sarah Abdallah, needs to be fact-checked by experts calling for us to "broaden [our] sources":

https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1599798637847904257 (https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1599798637847904257)

Also,

https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1598395441271504960 (https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1598395441271504960)


https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1599082545635000320 (https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1599082545635000320)


https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1595128571085090816 (https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1595128571085090816)

Some more, from Ben Norton:


https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1189994220704141312

"[T]his, while they pose as paragons of human rights and international law."

https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1601279301118177280

From Jimmy Dore: you're suffering not because of Russia but because you keep voting for criminals like Joe Biden and Donald Trump

https://twitter.com/thatdayin1992/status/1604811991981428736

From Clare Daly:


https://twitter.com/ClareDalyMEP/status/1604741051704549376

"‘Nearly Every War Has Been The Result Of Media Lies’: Julian Assange, State-Corporate Media And Ukraine"

https://www.medialens.org/2022/nearly-every-war-has-been-the-result-of-media-lies-julian-assange-state-corporate-media-and-ukraine/ (https://www.medialens.org/2022/nearly-every-war-has-been-the-result-of-media-lies-julian-assange-state-corporate-media-and-ukraine/)


Here's the irony: the same outlets have been shilling for war against the "enemies" of the West!

https://twitter.com/Juan94827382/status/1604226168206630912 (https://twitter.com/Juan94827382/status/1604226168206630912)

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A provocative montage from Black Russian TV, about Bush and Iraq.

https://twitter.com/Blackrussiantv/status/1604268377656238084 (https://twitter.com/Blackrussiantv/status/1604268377656238084)

The context is that aggression towards Russia started with the same guy, if not with Clinton.

Long after that,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH3QqcUJnBY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH3QqcUJnBY)

Notice that the same narrative is given, e.g., Russian elections are rigged, etc. Ironically, that's how the U.S. ensured regime change in Ukraine.

Related:

"Congress Just Passed $858 Billion Military Budget, But GOP Is Blocking $12 Billion to Fight Child Poverty"

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/12/17/congress-just-passed-858-billion-military-budget-gop-blocking-12-billion-fight-child (https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/12/17/congress-just-passed-858-billion-military-budget-gop-blocking-12-billion-fight-child)

A short point from Meyssan:

"Volodymyr Zelensky and ethnopolitics"

https://www.voltairenet.org/article218518.html (https://www.voltairenet.org/article218518.html)


"U.S. Asks More Nations to Become Targets of Russian and Chinese Missiles"

https://dissidentvoice.org/2022/12/u-s-asks-more-nations-to-become-targets-of-russian-and-chinese-missiles/ (https://dissidentvoice.org/2022/12/u-s-asks-more-nations-to-become-targets-of-russian-and-chinese-missiles/)

Hey look, a glue truck!

Part of the unsaid context of this conflict:

"War Criminal George W. Bush Is Back Promoting a Senseless Proxy War"

https://www.antiwar.com/blog/2022/11/21/war-criminal-george-w-bush-is-back-promoting-a-senseless-proxy-war/ (https://www.antiwar.com/blog/2022/11/21/war-criminal-george-w-bush-is-back-promoting-a-senseless-proxy-war/)


From Gregory Hayes:


https://twitter.com/sync0mm/status/1604836793605828608 (https://twitter.com/sync0mm/status/1604836793605828608)

From DoctorGerhard:


https://twitter.com/DoctorGerhard/status/1604240581181538308 (https://twitter.com/DoctorGerhard/status/1604240581181538308)

Likely in reference to points by Kost Bondarenko.

https://asd.news/news/ukraina-ne-v-sostoyanii-uderzhat-territorialnoe-nasledie-sssr/ (https://asd.news/news/ukraina-ne-v-sostoyanii-uderzhat-territorialnoe-nasledie-sssr/)

No,  it is you.  Don't.  Do not. 

Awwww, those are so precious! Must have one someday to wear to my class reunion or my psychologists'. Darling!

Bet they sold even better than Penny Blossoms.

Did you guys see the latest Premier League standings, by the way? I'd be keeping my eye on Tottenham if I were Newcastle.

https://www.google.com/search?q=premeri+league+standings&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS814US814&oq=premeri+league+standings&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i10i433i512j69i65l2j69i60j69i65j69i60j69i61.3017j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#sie=lg;/g/11pz7zbpnb;2;/m/02_tc;st;fp;1;;; (https://www.google.com/search?q=premeri+league+standings&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS814US814&oq=premeri+league+standings&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i10i433i512j69i65l2j69i60j69i65j69i60j69i61.3017j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#sie=lg;/g/11pz7zbpnb;2;/m/02_tc;st;fp;1;;;)

Careful, he's from New Jersey, ralfy, so you better not. It's not all salt water taffy and gambling holidays there, they also have a devil living in their pine barrens. Very scary. Don't wanna get a guy from Jersey on your bad side.

Some of the state's hazards:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_Devil

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeCavalcante_crime_family

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Broadcast_(film)

And perhaps most terrifying of all:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Plaza_Hotel_and_Casino

And, ralfy, if no link I posted before will dissuade you from replying with: "Oh, yes I do!" prepare to tremble before the dark might that is New Jersey at its most horrific! Save yourself!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qs3OKyYkmQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qs3OKyYkmQ)

Yes, totally that. Nothing to do with your inability to respond to what is actually written when I did try to discuss things and just making up stuff instead at all.

Here is a whole bunch of Ukrainian businesses that can be supported online and help them through tough times.

https://empoweredbyshopify.com/ukrainian-owned/

"No, you..." is how 4chaners would say it, which basically expresses your knowledge of this issue.

It looks like you've exceeded All in terms of being a buffoon.

No, you did not try to discuss things. You can't even do it now.

"How Western elites exploit Ukraine"

https://unherd.com/2022/03/how-western-elites-exploit-ukraine/

A very remarkable article, and from a neocon site, too!

"The Ukraine War Shows How the Nature of Power Is Changing"

https://carnegieendowment.org/2022/06/16/ukraine-war-shows-how-nature-of-power-is-changing-pub-87339 (https://carnegieendowment.org/2022/06/16/ukraine-war-shows-how-nature-of-power-is-changing-pub-87339)


It mentions later on that many countries are going against the sanctions, and for economic reasons. In relation to that, there's even related news about similar and China. For example,

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-22/dutch-resist-us-call-to-ban-more-chip-equipment-sales-to-china (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-22/dutch-resist-us-call-to-ban-more-chip-equipment-sales-to-china)

then several days later

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-07/us-led-curbs-on-china-tech-to-tighten-as-dutch-plan-new-controls (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-07/us-led-curbs-on-china-tech-to-tighten-as-dutch-plan-new-controls)

Keep in mind that the same entities pushing for restrictions are the same ones pushing for free markets. Go figure.

Related to the context given coverage of wars in the Middle East as analyzed by Edward Said and others:

"‘Double standards’: Western coverage of Ukraine war criticised"

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/27/western-media-coverage-ukraine-russia-invasion-criticism (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/27/western-media-coverage-ukraine-russia-invasion-criticism)

That is, this is different from U.S. invasions of Middle Eastern countries because those were barbaric whereas Ukraine is civilized.

They forgot to mention that Ukraine is a co-founder of the Soviet Union and has played both sides multiple times, e.g., siding with the Nazis and then doing the opposite when the war was turning against them. I don't blame them given the fact that their region is in the crossroads of conflicting military powers.

Finally, double standards should't be surprising. It's like the idea of saving a village by bombing it.

A piece from last August from WaPo which I'm told is now falling apart. It's a neocon shill piece but even that can contain nuggets of reality:

"Road to war: U.S. struggled to convince allies, and Zelensky, of risk of invasion"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/interactive/2022/ukraine-road-to-war/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/interactive/2022/ukraine-road-to-war/)


I wonder if they realized the irony of their statement. (For those who still don't get it, check the last sentence.)

Interesting shill piece from Time:

"What the West Will Never Understand About Putin's Ukraine Obsession"

https://time.com/6140996/putin-ukraine-threats/

It's like some form of projection: since we're empire-greedy scumbags, we'll have to assume that they are, too.

Actually, there's truth in that following the notion of realpolitik. The problem is that only one side insists it isn't.


The catch is that that side doesn't know that it isn't what it thinks it is. Get it?

Interestingly enough, first published in Newsweek, and presented by a right-wing group. That's the same outlet that first reported on something like a billion dollars a year Congress was giving to Saddam, and how the CIA had full knowledge of gas attacks on the Kurds but did not react.

"The U.S. and NATO Helped Trigger the Ukraine War. It’s Not ‘Siding With Putin’ to Admit It"

https://www.cato.org/commentary/us-nato-helped-trigger-ukraine-war-its-not-siding-putin-admit-it (https://www.cato.org/commentary/us-nato-helped-trigger-ukraine-war-its-not-siding-putin-admit-it)


At some point,  the U.S. will realize that Russia is acting just like the U.S., except that it does not have the same killing power and wide coverage, which is why like China it can only contest surrounding areas.

To do what the U.S. does one needs the U.S. dollar. That's why even NATO chamchas have to remain within the U.S. orbit of power.

The implication is that as a bipolar world becomes a multipolar one, with economic power from BRICS and emerging markets challenging U.S. military power, then there will more wars.

"War, Greed and Mass Manipulation"

https://www.globalissues.org/news/2022/10/26/32248 (https://www.globalissues.org/news/2022/10/26/32248)


Unfortunately, the writer does not discuss that "unconstrained hyper-use of force". Instead, he focuses only on Trump.

From November, 2020:

"How the Western Press Lied About the 2014 Coup in Ukraine, Pretending That It Was Instead a Real Democratic Revolution"

https://strategic-culture.org/news/2020/11/25/how-western-press-lied-about-2014-coup-ukraine-pretending-real-democratic-revolution/

The essay focuses on what many do not want to talk about, which is Obama's (and Trump's) involvement in manipulation of Ukraine.

From December last year:

"How the West hung Ukraine out to dry"

https://theweek.com/world/1008430/how-the-west-let-ukraine-hang-out-to-dry


The West treated Ukraine before the invasion in the same it did Russia several years earlier: dangling the EU-NATO carrot while using the two groups to start working on Ukraine.

I am ignorant of "4chaners". 

I propose a Christmas truce in this thread.

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"Silent night, holy night...."

we've given Ukraine $100 billion in 10 months so far. If this thing goes say 3 to 5 years that means...500 billion?? all going to Raytheon etc from taxpayers to DC.

for a war that could have been prevented with 2 phone calls by a rational president

leeeeester, its still Christmas.....

You're a natural, then.

From the defense industry, "Merry Christmas!"

"The defense industry will profit from war in Ukraine—with your money"

https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2022/03/09/defense-industry-ukraine-242533 (https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2022/03/09/defense-industry-ukraine-242533)

"Have sanctions against Russia backfired? | DW Business Special"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0osNhIouMI0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0osNhIouMI0)

"Retrospective: Before The Special Military Operation"

https://meaninginhistory.substack.com/p/retrospective-before-the-special

"Is Russian Restraint Averting the Risk of Nuclear War – or Inviting It?"

http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2022/december/14/is-russian-restraint-averting-the-risk-of-nuclear-war-or-inviting-it/ (http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2022/december/14/is-russian-restraint-averting-the-risk-of-nuclear-war-or-inviting-it/)

"Lindsey Graham, the Ugly American"

http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2022/december/24/lindsey-graham-the-ugly-american/ (http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2022/december/24/lindsey-graham-the-ugly-american/)

"After the Zelensky Spectacle – Let the Partition Begin!"

http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2022/december/23/after-the-zelensky-spectacle-let-the-partition-begin/ (http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2022/december/23/after-the-zelensky-spectacle-let-the-partition-begin/)

"“Anyone who underestimates Russia is headed for defeat”"

https://www.economist.com/syrsky-interview (https://www.economist.com/syrsky-interview)

"Ukraine war - "2.5 Million US-$ an hour" USA: Rise in homelessness, poverty and inflation"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSDC5bI8FUI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSDC5bI8FUI)

"Billions for Ukraine as U.S. poverty festers"

https://spokesman-recorder.com/2022/06/30/billions-for-ukraine-as-u-s-poverty-festers/ (https://spokesman-recorder.com/2022/06/30/billions-for-ukraine-as-u-s-poverty-festers/)

MERRY CHRISTMAS  TO ALL !!  


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We agree.  I have been informed and understand that you and I live in different worlds.  I find 21st century cynical uninteresting.  Unless one is on the ground ducking or bearing down, talk is cheap.  

There is only one world, and we're both in it.

If you find 21st-century cynicism uninteresting, then that means you find only the opposite interesting, i.e., 21st-century optimism. But that contradicts your last sentence, as optimism means one doesn't need to be "on the ground ducking or bearing down."

Second, optimism in such circumstances involves cheap talk.

Last, posting memes to troll me in a thread about a topic that eventually leads to one being "on the ground ducking or bearing" down is an example of cynicism. Thus, not only are you a cynic but you find it interesting.

Incredible: you just contradicted yourself three times in one post.

Seen in light of the effects of neoliberalism, i.e., wars lead to inflation, prompting the Fed to raise interest rates, in turn causing other currencies to devalue, in turn causing other countries to move away from the dollar.

"Suddenly Everyone Is Hunting for Alternatives to the US Dollar"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-21/fx-weaponization-supercharges-de-dollarization-drive (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-21/fx-weaponization-supercharges-de-dollarization-drive)

From August, 2022:

"West Prepares to Plunder Post-war Ukraine with Neoliberal Shock Therapy"

https://towardfreedom.org/story/archives/europe/west-prepares-to-plunder-post-war-ukraine-with-neoliberal-shock-therapy/


Mentioned in the same article:

"Ex US official admits Ukraine conflict is NATO ‘proxy war with Russia’"

https://multipolarista.com/2022/03/24/us-official-ukraine-nato-proxy-war-russia/


Eurasia
Ex US official admits Ukraine conflict is NATO ‘proxy war with Russia’

Former US State Department official Eliot Cohen stated openly that the conflict in Ukraine is a NATO “proxy war with Russia,” and called for using the country to kill as many Russian soldiers as possible, “the more and faster the better.”

By
Ben Norton

Published
2022-03-24
Ukrainian tanks   

From last July:

"Ukraine’s War Economy Is Being Choked by Neoliberal Dogmas"

https://jacobin.com/2022/07/ukraine-neoliberalism-war-russia-eu-imf


It's a fascinating strategy: dig yourself into a deeper hole.

Interesting piece from philosopher Zizek:

"Ukraine’s Tale of Two Colonizations"

https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/ukraine-russian-occupation-or-western-neoliberal-colonization-by-slavoj-zizek-2022-08 (https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/ukraine-russian-occupation-or-western-neoliberal-colonization-by-slavoj-zizek-2022-08)

A remarkable piece as the author struggles to reconcile the unavoidable drive to create the East "in our image" and the consequences of doing so:

"Ukraine: Beyond the Postsoviet"

https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/ukraine-beyond-the-postsoviet/ (https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/ukraine-beyond-the-postsoviet/)

From 2013:

"Are Ukrainians taking the streets for neoliberalism?"

https://wagingnonviolence.org/2013/12/ukrainians-taking-streets-neoliberalism/

From the European CFR, of all places:

"In Europe’s gift: How to avoid a Ukraine ‘forever war’"

https://ecfr.eu/article/in-europes-gift-how-to-avoid-a-ukraine-forever-war/


Okidoky.

"Nobel Peace Prize Winners Have Deep CIA Ties"

https://covertactionmagazine.com/2022/12/21/nobel-peace-prize-winners-have-deep-cia-ties/

"Ukraine Is America’s Latest Stalemate War"

https://townhall.com/columnists/michaelreagan/2022/12/24/ukraine-is-americas-latest-stalemate-war-n2617543

On Afghanistan:


You'd think anyone with enough common sense would by now consider the reasons why the U.S. intervenes.

Related: Might there be a connection between revelations between Twitter and gov't agencies and the manner by which media was used to sell various narratives about Russia, Ukraine, etc?

https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1606701397109796866

In terms of context, one example of NATO reach:


https://twitter.com/richimedhurst/status/1606682745777917953

In relation to the context of a country that's been at war throughout much of its existence:


https://twitter.com/miltimore79/status/1606097764940599296

In the spirit of bad (and good) movies,

https://twitter.com/mask_bastard/status/1606810958147510275

Possibly related, as the neocon shilling involved not just media but even social media:

"Twitter Aided the Pentagon in Its Covert Online Propaganda Campaign"

https://theintercept.com/2022/12/20/twitter-dod-us-military-accounts/


The Stanford study:

https://public-assets.graphika.com/reports/graphika_stanford_internet_observatory_report_unheard_voice.pdf

 

  MERRY CHRISTMAS  TO ALL !!  


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"The Claim That The Ukraine War Advances US Interests Discredits The Claim That It's "Unprovoked""

https://caitlinjohnstone.substack.com/p/the-claim-that-the-ukraine-war-advances (https://caitlinjohnstone.substack.com/p/the-claim-that-the-ukraine-war-advances)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIMZcK-SC1M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIMZcK-SC1M)

"Traitors!"

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/traitors (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/traitors)

Might be related if more Twitter Files show up, especially on anti-Russian propaganda:

"Twitter Aided the Pentagon in Its Covert Online Propaganda Campaign"

https://theintercept.com/2022/12/20/twitter-dod-us-military-accounts/

Also related:

"'Almost every conspiracy theory that people had about Twitter turned out to be true': Elon Musk"

https://thepostmillennial.com/almost-every-conspiracy-theory-that-people-had-about-twitter-turned-out-to-be-true-elon-musk

From RT:

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1606922828347056128


It explains conflicting actions by the U.S., e.g., arming authoritarian regimes like those of Saudi Arabia while condemning others, like those of Russia. In this case, the "good investment" involves a country run by corrupt Ukrainian politicians.

Interesting point from a leftist perspective:

"Ukraine and the ‘left’"

https://weeklyworker.co.uk/worker/1417/ukraine-and-the-left/


It's strange, too, that it's Trump who's seen as a tyrant but it's his opponents who support war backed by capitalists.

From 2014:

"American democracy and the Ukraine"

https://daniellazare.com/2014/03/11/american-democracy-and-the-ukraine/

The last point ironically mirrors most of the sentiments given in the now-locked thread.

"Volodymyr Zelensky and ethnopolitics"

https://www.voltairenet.org/article218518.html (https://www.voltairenet.org/article218518.html)

Some of the blowback of neoliberalism:

"Exclusive: Russia likely to buy yuan on FX market in 2023 - sources"

https://www.reuters.com/markets/currencies/russia-likely-buy-yuan-fx-market-2023-sources-2022-12-22/ (https://www.reuters.com/markets/currencies/russia-likely-buy-yuan-fx-market-2023-sources-2022-12-22/)

"IMF admits US dollar hegemony declining, due to rise of Chinese yuan, sanctions on Russia"

https://multipolarista.com/2022/03/31/imf-us-dollar-decline-china-russia/ (https://multipolarista.com/2022/03/31/imf-us-dollar-decline-china-russia/)

"Russia and Iran are building a trade route that defies western sanctions—Bloomberg"

https://twitter.com/thatdayin1992/status/1607341508029734913 (https://twitter.com/thatdayin1992/status/1607341508029734913)

Related:

"Why You Need to Start Paying Attention to the 'Twitter Files'"

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/kevindowneyjr/2022/12/24/why-you-need-to-start-paying-attention-to-the-twitter-files-n1656136

"Zelensky’s diaspora delegation led by economic hit-woman who led plunder of Ukraine"

https://thegrayzone.com/2022/12/23/zelenskys-diaspora-hit-woman-ukraine/

"Condoleeza Rice explained in 2014 the motives for the CIA to committ an act of terrrorism against the Nord Stream 1 & 2 pipelines in Europe."

https://twitter.com/ivan_8848/status/1575839811688345601

One of the effects of neoconservatism:

"Top Zelensky advisor threatens war with Iran"

https://thegrayzone.com/2022/11/12/zelensky-threatens-war-iran/

Related:

"How the pro-Ukraine NAFO troll operation crowd-funds war criminals"

https://thegrayzone.com/2022/10/20/ukraine-nafo-troll-war-criminals/

"Speaker of the United States House of Representatives Nancy Pelosi excitedly sent $45 billion to Ukraine, meanwhile this is her district."

https://twitter.com/ivan_8848/status/1607707274130391041

Last one, from Greenwald:


https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1608231643197722626 (https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1608231643197722626)

In reference to this shill piece:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/26/world/europe/nordstream-pipeline-explosion-russia.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/26/world/europe/nordstream-pipeline-explosion-russia.html)

And that's basically it.