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I usually  try to avoid politics, but this kinda p**ses me off. Are these two idiots braindead or just reallly needing a paycheck. This is what I call really whoring yourself out.

Read the article about the most expensive Turkish movie ever made and the way it depicts Americans.

CNN article (http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/02/02/turkish.movie.ap/index.html)

Well, I hate to play devils' advocate with someone I respect so much, but in all fairness the average Muslim is not depicted as all that pleasant in many movies.   This is just "Red Dawn" (I know there were no Muslims in that) or "Not Without my Daughter" for the Turkish set.

Besides, like all of the most expensive movies ever made it'll have one good weekend and then be in second run by the next Wednesday, and on DVD two weeks later.  

But to get on topic, Gary Busey has had a real dry run in the last few years, I can't think of a decent part to save my life.  Maybe he really really needs the money but he really should get a new agent after this.  

To be honest, part of me woulld really like to stop seeing the heavy handed portrayls of "The Foreign Other" just stop for a while, on all sides.   This is like the propaganda movies shown in WWII.  I have a bad case of "leave each other the hell alone" right now.  

-Ed

Unfortunately, if it wasn't for America, nobody would even know who Busey is. To have him do this, for whatever reason, just shows him for the dick smoker that he is.

     It ain't so much "anti-American" as anti-Jew -- Busey playing the nefarious Yid who cuts the organs from living Muslims for a profit is a continuation of Emil Jannings' portrayal of "Die Ewige Juden" for The Ol' Third Reich, which has always been popular in the Middle East.
     As utterly foul and contemptous as this role is, I predict it will do no lasting damage to Busey's career, and will probably be hailed in the name of "tolerance" -- that and the fact that modern audiences are either ignorant or very selective in their outrage with reference to History.
     I expect Busey could top himself & don some blackface for a remake of "All Coons Look Alike to Me" . . .
peter johnson/denny crane

Lots of foreign countries make movies with evil Americans.

I can see how Billy Zane might think he's making a "statement" about American soldiers not always being the lilly white heroes we think they are.  Not so sure about Busey taking such a role.  It could be that he just thought playing an evil doctor who cuts out people's organs would be fun.

I'd have to see the movie before I make judgements about any aspect of it.

Are we sure it's not a comedy?   I mean, Busey playing a Dr. sounds pretty funny to me.  He's not the most polished of actors...

My real point is that both of these guys have been in some high profile movies, so they are relatively well known actors. So what would possess them to do a movie like this? I guess it's not going to damage either of their careers since they don't have much of one right now, and most Americans will never even hear of this film, much less see it.

I know that Americans are demonized in movies in a great deal of the world, but to have known American actors take part in what appears from the synopsito be a blatant propaganda piece is really outrageous. We often portray peoples from the middle east in a bad way, but I don't think you're going to see any actors that are well known to that region of the world lining up to get those parts.

I wonder what they got paid to do it?  Busey, while one of my guilty favorites has had to take some really bum parts lately.  Maybe some oil magnate of a backer found the magic "don't care" number.  
-Ed

Who would win in a fight to the death? Gary Busey or Nick Nolte?

All this movie needs is Billy Jack.

This (http://www.imdb.com/news/sb/2006-02-23/) was posted today on IMDb.

My favorite part was - In the conservative National Review, writer Jim Geraghty commented, "Pardon my French, but Billy, Gary...you're whores. You will contribute to the vilest propaganda for a pile of cash."

Anytime a former A-lister is called a whore, it's funny.

Well,Last I Saw of Gary(A)Busey,He Was Doing One Of Those Really Bad "Left Behind"Movies on TBN and Billy Zane,Well Ever Since He Slapped The Loverly Kate Winslet Around in "Trypanic"*(*"Titanic".),His Career Has Gone Downhill!!Hell,He Gotta Do Something To Keep From Being On "When Washed Up Celebrities Are Attacked  By Wild Animals"on Fox!!

It Would All Depend On Which One was Drunk and Which One was Sober!!

And so? They both done plenty of idiotic movies before, this one is only remarkable because it's anti-american instead of pro-american. So what's the fuss about?

Can't see the reason behind all the controversy surrounding this movie, from my perspective it's not more stupid / offensive than, say, "First Blood - Part II" or any of the Chuck Norris "Missing in Action" movies.

EDITED: Seen the trailer, Zane is not even featured promirnently, and couldn't see Busey anywhere. BTW, you haven't seen cheese until you've seen a bald Billy Zane speaking with Turkish dubbing.

The point, Neville, is that Busey is an American actor and has made his primary money off of us. To go and do an anti-American movie like this, just shows him for what he is.

As I see it, he's got the right of appearing in anything he feels like. If you feel offended by the movie, just don't watch it, or even better, watch it and then you'll be able to defend your position with more valid points.

I can understand people being offended by the mere existence of this movie, really, but again, it doesn't seem like anything it hasn't been done before a hundred times, albeit with other nationalities possing as villains.

Considering how much controversy the current U.S. policy is causing around the world, I'm surprised this didn't happen before, honestly. It wouldn't surprise me if we saw more films of this fashion in the near future.

At Least He's Not on "When Washed Up Sixy Something Actors Marry Much Younger Trophy Wives Who Are Attacked By Wild Animals!!"on Fox!!

That's more like a job for Zane ;-)

I kind of agree with Neville: I wouldn't be surprised if there's alot of anti-american films being made and will be popping up more often: There is a very big audience full of Anti-American sentiment out there that it really is only a matter of time before that sentiment is cashed in by producers or whoever.

Though I think that the main problem with this particular film isn't that it's specifically anti-american, but that they have a Jewish doctor cutting out people's organs and sending them to Israel/The West.  That, in my mind, is a terrible, terrible choice and only serves to fuel conflict and incite hate.  Go ahead and make an anti-american movie, I don't care, but the plot point above is just blatant propaganda and as such is just plain wrong.

Plus,They need The Money!!And In Gary (A)Busey's Case,Probably A New Liver and Brain!!

I have to agree that this is just the other side of the coin.  A vast number of pro-American films have starred actors who's careers are 'stumbling' in roles that vilify their nationality.

Rather than bashing Zane and Busey, I think what needs to be looked at is the reason Americans are seen in this manner.  Despite what Team American World Police suggests, America is not the world's morality police, even though they occasionally act like it.

Muslims, especially those in and near Iraq, are not going to have many complimentary things to say about Americans, mainly because (and both of the following are random concepts unrelated to reality, as far as I am aware) news of them accidentally killing children will be front page news, whereas news of them volunteering to did out a hospital hit by a suicide bomber ends up on page eight......

Anyone know if George Clooney is connected to this movie?

Naw.But I was watching "Good Morning America"Yesterrday and they showed some Movies that some of the Movies the Stars were in before they were famous.Jaquin Phoenix was in "Space Camp"Twenty Years Ago when he was Ten Years Old and was named Leaf Phoenix.Reese Witherspoon starred in "Man in the Moon",which was about a young girl in the South in the 50's.However,George Clooney starred in "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes"and "Return of the Killer Tomatoes",so if he getys a little too big for his britches,all someone has to do is sit him down and make him watch "Attack Of"and"Return Of The Killer Tomatoes"and that'll shut him up for a while!!"People Shouldn't Be Afraid Of The Government.Government Should Be Afraid Of The People.""All Turkeys Die.Few Turkeys Truly Live.".

The "reason Americans are seen in this manner" is because we don't, as such, support the mass extermination of Jews, per se --
We, and the British, fought a huge war against the Germans over this issue:  Should all the Jews in the world be eliminated or not?   We decided "not".
Most of the Muslim world doesn't agree.  They think, for the most part, that Jews should be exterminated as quickly as possible.  The fact that Israel has been forced onto their territory has been a huge screaming point of contention since the 1920's.
This is why Busey's character of the Jewish doctor is shown ripping the organs out of live Iraqis and selling the organs for profit.  It fits into the Muslim mind-set of the Jew as the ultimate evil in the world.
Busey should never be forgiven for this role.  It is every bit as evil as Emil Jenning's role in "Die Ewige Juden" in 1940's Germany.  
There really is no grey area here -- This is genuinely horrific stuff/a real lapse of morality.  Moral relativism/cultural relativism plays no part.
peter johnson/denny crane