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Title: Happy 40th birthday to Star Trek!!
Post by: trekgeezer on September 07, 2006, 06:56:16 PM
On September 8, 1966 a new kind of Science Fiction program premiered on NBC. I remember it being advertised as the first adult space drama.

I doubt even Gene Roddenberry knew  what he was starting  with his "Wagon train in space".

Although the franchise has faltered these past few years, you have to admit it's had a helluva run. Now with talk of new movie produced by some fresh faces, and the original coming back to broadcast syndication this month (with the newly enhanced fx (http://trekweb.com/articles/2006/09/07/Mike-Okuda-Dave-Rossi-and-Head.shtml)) there is still some life and money to be made left in it.


Title: Re: Happy 40th birthday to Star Trek!!
Post by: ulthar on September 07, 2006, 08:30:00 PM
trek_geezer Wrote:
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> I doubt even Gene Roddenberry knew  what he was
> starting  with his "Wagon train in space".
>

And I doubt that after he saw what he had, he never dreamed it could be gutted by Berman and Braga.

Here's to another 40 years, but better than the last 15!


Title: Re: Happy 40th birthday to Star Trek!!
Post by: Scott on September 07, 2006, 09:12:44 PM
Nobody is showing the reruns of the original show on TV anymore.

(http://www.animationalley.com/images/prints/mpa/mpa_trek1.jpg)


Title: Re: Happy 40th birthday to Star Trek!!
Post by: RCMerchant on September 08, 2006, 06:16:03 AM
The original was the only one worth a dam.The others were talk.YAPYAPYAPYAP....no action.No Spock.No Kirk.No cool mind controling puppet master blobs.No fights with dino-guy with paper-mache boulders...gee...now that I think of it...I DID like the original Trek alot.


Title: Hey, Scott you are so wrong!
Post by: trekgeezer on September 08, 2006, 07:02:47 AM
TOS shows every night as Star Trek 2.0  and on Saturdays as Star Trek uncut on G4 tv (I know a lot of folks on cable don't get G4, it used to be TechTV). I like uncut marathons on Saturday because they  put back the 9 minutes of the show that were edited out for syndication.

Tonight September 8, TV Land will be showing an original series marathon celebrating the 40th anniversary and then in Novemeber they will be showing the entire series.

On the weekend of Sept. 16 the new Star Trek enhanced premiers in broadcast syndication taking the place of Star Trek: Enterprise reruns. So, if you have a local UPN station they'll probably be showing it.


Title: Re: Hey, Scott you are so wrong!
Post by: WyreWizard on September 08, 2006, 11:13:29 AM
trek_geezer Wrote:
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> On the weekend of Sept. 16 the new Star Trek
> enhanced premiers in broadcast syndication taking
> the place of Star Trek: Enterprise reruns. So, if
> you have a local UPN station they'll probably be
> showing it.

UPN and the WB networks merged recently to form the CW network.


Title: Re: Hey, Scott you are so wrong!
Post by: RCMerchant on September 08, 2006, 11:22:52 AM
What does the Star Trek Enterprise and a roll of toilet paper have in common?
They both circle Uranus and wipe out Klingons!(Sorry...couldn't ...resist...tried to fight...it...SPOCK! Help-me-Spock!)


Title: Re: Hey, Scott you are so wrong!
Post by: trekgeezer on September 08, 2006, 11:23:57 AM
That technically hasn't happened yet, but it does happen Sept. 18. I should have said former UPN stations, some of which will be CW now.


Title: Re: Hey, Scott you are so wrong!
Post by: WyreWizard on September 08, 2006, 11:51:57 AM
RCMerchant Wrote:
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> What does the Star Trek Enterprise and a roll of
> toilet paper have in common?
> They both circle Uranus and wipe out
> Klingons!(Sorry...couldn't ...resist...tried to
> fight...it...SPOCK! Help-me-Spock!)


Blanche Knott and Truly Tasteless Jokes!!!


Title: Re: Hey, Scott you are so wrong!
Post by: Scott on September 08, 2006, 08:43:36 PM
Thanks Trek Geezer. I just watched the 8pm opening episode on TV Land right after reading your post at 8 'oclock. They played the salt creature episode where the "monster" transforms into other people and depletes them of all their salt in order to survive. The last of a dying species.

They just started the second one where they go thru the stone time machine where they try to locate McCoy. This one stars Joan Collins as you probably know.

Saw every episode a dozen times in the 70's. Only saw a few episodes in the past 25 years. I'll try to watch them when they come on this November on TV Land.


Title: Re: Hey, Scott you are so wrong!
Post by: RCMerchant on September 08, 2006, 11:27:49 PM
I saw all the original series.Every goddam one of em.betweenthe years 1970 and 1972 they re ran them on chanel 41,UHF,from Kalamazoo MI,after school.Right after the Woody Woodpecker Show.After that came re runs of Gilligans Island.And,the more I think about it..dam!!!! I miss that old show!ISTAR TREK ,the REAL one,ruled after school TV!


Title: Re: Hey, Scott you are so wrong!
Post by: RCMerchant on September 08, 2006, 11:27:54 PM
I saw all the original series.Every goddam one of em.betweenthe years 1970 and 1972 they re ran them on chanel 41,UHF,from Kalamazoo MI,after school.Right after the Woody Woodpecker Show.After that came re runs of Gilligans Island.And,the more I think about it..dam!!!! I miss that old show!ISTAR TREK ,the REAL one,ruled after school TV!


Title: Re: Happy 40th birthday to Star Trek!!
Post by: peter johnson on September 09, 2006, 12:42:18 AM
I recall vividly being scared and concerned over the Silicon Being who built tunnels rapidly --
And I loved the Salt Creature who transformed to whoever one wanted --
Star Trek was all we talked about in 6th Grade --
And the Bloated/Toupeed one was still young --
Time is a Destroyer and a Whore --
All you young guys & gals:  You're going to grow old and die like the rest of us.  Poor Mr. Shatner is now part of Boston Legal . . . denny crane . . . .denny crane . . . It calls like the inevitable End we will all endure . . . denny crane . . . denny crane . . . More than a mantra, yet less than the Will of God . . . denny crane . . .  denny crane . . . A carreer, a life, an episode or 2 in The Twilight Zone . . . denny crane  . . . denny crane . . .
peter johnson
that's all . . .
just
peter johnson


Title: Re: Hey, Scott you are so wrong!
Post by: RCMerchant on September 09, 2006, 01:28:52 AM
BONES! BONES! Its PETE!  
HE,S DEAD JIM.
DAHHHH!!!!


Title: Re: Happy 40th birthday to Star Trek!!
Post by: Ellie H on September 09, 2006, 02:13:13 AM
My husband sold a car to a friend of his who got far behind on payments. One day he came in and put down this big cardboard box full of videos. I leaned over and grabbed one out it was an episode of Star trek. The original one. He brought home almost all of the episodes minus a couple and all of the major motion pictures . Yippee! He isnt a fan but I am and boy did he make my day.


Title: Re: Happy 40th birthday to Star Trek!!
Post by: Ash on September 09, 2006, 02:24:02 AM
The episode with the salt creature is titled "The Man Trap" and it was the very first regular episode after "The Cage".

(http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/1884/mantrapag0.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

She's an ugly bugger ain't she?


Title: Re: Happy 40th birthday to Star Trek!!
Post by: Scott on September 09, 2006, 04:46:42 AM
That's the one ASHTHECAT. Anyone who liked the original over the new ones has good taste. Always liked Captain Kirk and the rest of the crew. The sets and the colors on the set were great. The story is always interesting and you have to love the music during the action sequences with the kettle drums, trumpets, and other brass.

To see Shatner on the roast the other night at his age was really a treat. He is truely a TV legend.


Title: Re: Hey, Scott you are so wrong!
Post by: RCMerchant on September 09, 2006, 08:54:43 AM
My favorite is the one with  Micheal J. Pollard...and the planet of rugrats.Bill does a virtuoso one man show in it."NO MORE BAM BAM!" So great...


Title: Re: Happy 40th birthday to Star Trek!!
Post by: WyreWizard on September 09, 2006, 11:05:03 AM
ASHTHECAT Wrote:
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> The episode with the salt creature is titled "The
> Man Trap" and it was the very first regular
> episode after "The Cage".
>
> http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/1884/mantrapag0
> .jpg
>
> She's an ugly bugger ain't she?

According to Star Trek:  The Worlds of the Federation, that is called the M-113 creature.  It lived on a planet called M-113.  From what I seen on that show, this creature cannot really change shape.  It appears to be a telepathic being who is able to make others see it the way it chooses.

But I see a few problems with the M-113 creature.  For one, it seems to survive entirely on salt.  It has to have other nutrients to survive.  For one, how does it metabolize protein?  When it takes salt from its victims, their bodies are mostly intact, suggesting the creature takes only salt and nothing else from them.  If it took protein as well as salt, the bodies of its victims would appear very dessicated.  Aside from salt, this creature also needs carbohydrates to survive.  We can assume it takes carbs as well as salt from its victims.  Since carb loss wouldn't create any visible signs on a body.  Unfortunately, the creature needs a lot more than salt to survive.  We for one survive with the help of hundreds of different nutrients.  If all the M-113 creature survived on was salt, than it would be nothing more than a mound of salt.


Title: Re: Happy 40th birthday to Star Trek!!
Post by: Scott on September 09, 2006, 09:06:04 PM
Right. The salt monster actually changes it appearence according the the person viewing the creature. Neat idea.


Title: Re: Happy 40th birthday to Star Trek!!
Post by: Ed, Ego and Superego on September 09, 2006, 11:37:34 PM
I gotta say "The Cage" is one of my favorite episodes.  Yeah its technically a pilot, but for all that I really like it.
I also like the one with the glowy thing that feeds on emotions and makes the humand and kilingons fight for all eternity. They have to banish it by getting along and laughing.
-Ed


Title: Re: Happy 40th birthday to Star Trek!!
Post by: Ash on September 10, 2006, 01:44:15 AM
Ed Wrote:
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I also like the one with the glowy thing that
> feeds on emotions and makes the humand and
> kilingons fight for all eternity. They have to
> banish it by getting along and laughing.
> -Ed


Awesome episode!
It's titled "Day of the Dove" (http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/TOS/episode/68792.html).
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Title: My inner geek exposed
Post by: trekgeezer on September 10, 2006, 09:43:59 AM
"The Man Trap" was actually the third episode shot, but the first regular episode shown. The first one shot was "The Corbomite Maneuver" (the one with 5 year old Clint Howard as the alien commander) and was shown third.

Michael Ansara who plays the Klingon Kang in "Day of the Dove",  John Colicos who plays Kor in "Errand of Mercy", and William Campbell who plays "Koloth in The Trouble with Tribbles" (he was also "The Squire of Gothos") all reprised their Klingon roles  nearly 30 years later in the ST:DS9 episode "Blood Oath".

Here are some of my favorite episodes:

The Corbomite Maneuver - Kirk ditches chess for poker and bluffs the commander of really huge ship that looks like that ball they drop in Times Square at New Year.

The Naked Time - The crew goes space happy after a crewman brings back an alien germ. Sulu goes Errol Flynn (he actually punctured Shatner's nipple with the rapier).

The Galileo Seven - Spock is in command of shuttle that crashes on an asteroid inhabited by giant cave men and learns so times an illogical act can be logical.  

Mudd's Women - The first appearance of Harry Mudd. Harry tries to sell three homely women (who have their appearance enhanced by a drug) to some lonely dilithium miners.

I, Mudd - The ship is hijacked by an android named Norman and taken to  planet of Androids ruled by Harry Mudd. This episode features much silly behaviour by Shatner and crew.

Arena - Kirk vs. Lizard

Amok Time - Spock goes into heat and battles Kirk to the death. One of the few episodes where Spock smiles.

Journey to Babel - Family problems come home for Spock when his parents come aboard on a diplomatic mission.

Balance of Terror - The first appearance of the Romulans. A cloaked ship is taking out Federation outposts on the boarder of the Romulan neutral zone. Great shades of Run Silent, Run Deep.

The Trouble with Tribbles - Cutesy furballs, Klingons, and a Federation diplomats cause trouble on a space station. This has  the funniest sequence in the whole series when Scotty starts a fight with the Klingons and has to explain it to Kirk.

The City on the Edge of Forever - Kirk and Spock must follow a delusional McCoy through an ancient time portal to stop him from changing history. Kirk must make a terrible sacrifice. The original screen play was written by Harlan Ellison, and a rewrite was done by Gene Roddenberry to actually make it producable. Harlan has never forgiven them for it (he even wrote a book about it).

A Piece of the Action - Kirk and crew check up on the development of a planet visited by Starfleet 100 years ago, only to find an entire society fashioned after the Chicago mobs of the 1930's. We find out that Kirk can't drive a stick shift.

Mirror, Mirror - Kirk, McCoy, Scotty, and Uhura get transported to an alternate universe where the Federation is an Empire and promotion is by assasination.  Alternate Spock sports an evil looking goatee, and we get to see Uhura in a two piece uniform complete with exposed belly button (how shameful!).


Title: Re: My inner geek exposed
Post by: RCMerchant on September 10, 2006, 09:50:28 AM
Your trek fu is much stronger than mine.What was the episode with Richard Kiel as a big head bald bad guy? I like that one alot.


Title: Re: Happy 40th birthday to Star Trek!!
Post by: Fearless Freep on September 10, 2006, 10:07:12 AM
"The Cage" is interesting because you definitely can tell that Nimoy did not quite have a handle on how to portray Spock.  I don'tnow if Roddenberry and the writers had decided that Vulcans were supposed to be emotionless and totally logical or not, but Spock comes across more like an elf suffering a hang-over than the Spock he would be later

Also, "The Cage" looks much more like sci-fi (especially TV series) of the time.  Although still saddled with special-effects and production quality of the time, they managed to lift the rest of the series up to a more 'timeless' feel.  I give a lot of credit for that to Shatner, Deforest Kelly and James Doohan (along with Nimoy).  The cast from "The Cage" just seemed a bit too cookie-cutter for that era of TV show making.  Whataver you say abouth Shatner, I think he was a lot more interesting and pleasent to watch then Pike would've been over a series


Title: Re: My inner geek exposed
Post by: trekgeezer on September 10, 2006, 10:25:57 AM
RC, the episode you're talking about is "What Are Little Girls Made Of?" The actor of which you speak is not Richard Keil, but Ted Cassidy who played Lurch on the Adams family. He has a very distinctive and deep voice and did a lot of voice work in Saturday morning cartoons.

A missing scientist who is the lost love of Nurse Chapel (Majel Barrett) has run across an ancient society which was taken over by the machines they built to do their work.

Kirk does his usual and makes the girl android fall for him.


Title: Re: Happy 40th birthday to Star Trek!!
Post by: Ash on September 10, 2006, 12:15:25 PM
I always wondered who played that big bald android in that episode!
He throws one of Kirk's Red Shirts over the edge into that chasm.

I remember that episode.


Title: Re: Happy 40th birthday to Star Trek!!
Post by: RCMerchant on September 10, 2006, 12:33:38 PM
It wasn't Richard Kiel! Wow.Ted Cassidy and RK look quite similar under heavy makeup,I guess.Another favorite trek episode...the one where they land on aplanet,and some weird plant makes Spock fall in love,McCoy turn into a hippy dippy...then Kirk had to ruin everyones fun.Lesson:Drugs are bad.Hippy thinking is evil. But,I actually agree.How can you cruise around space and fight alien monsters if your wasted?


Title: Re: Happy 40th birthday to Star Trek!!
Post by: Ash on September 10, 2006, 12:41:45 PM
Isn't that episode called "Shore Leave"?


Title: Re: Happy 40th birthday to Star Trek!!
Post by: trekgeezer on September 10, 2006, 03:32:02 PM
Actually, it's called "The Paradise Syndrome". Everybody leaves the ship, but Kirk finds out that violent emotions overcome the spores influence. He tricks Spock into beaming up, then calls him all kinds of names so he'll get p**sed. Spock then  proceeds to beat the crap out Kirk before overcoming the spores.


Title: Re: Happy 40th birthday to Star Trek!!
Post by: RCMerchant on September 10, 2006, 06:53:32 PM
Iknew trekgeezer would know.Hence his name.