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Title: Casino Royale (2006)
Post by: Scott on November 24, 2006, 10:52:27 PM
CASINO ROYALE (2006) - This might be the best James Bond film ever. Daniel Craig plays the most rugged and agile Bond yet in this very good story that kinda starts us from the beginning of who James Bond is and how he got started. The action is tough much like in BOURNE IDENTITY. The card game was masterful as well. You'll also like the intro to this film. Like all Bond films this one has some neat art work at the beginning. This is now my favorite Bond and Bond film.

 :thumbup: :thumbup: (9 out of 10 Stars) Pure Excellence

(http://img5.allocine.fr/acmedia/medias/nmedia/18/36/12/35/18482328.jpg)


Title: Re: Casino Royale (2006)
Post by: Jack on November 24, 2006, 11:05:06 PM
Roger Moore was my favorite Bond.  Never really cared for Connery, though From Russia With Love was quite a nice piece.  Lazenby was pretty good in his one film (Diana Rigg was awesome too), and I liked Dalton in the South American drug dealer movie.   I completely lost interest in the franchise around the time of the second Brosnan film.  It really went from being a secret agent series for adults to a CGI super hero series for children.  And whoever thought it would be a good idea to include Judi Dench as the Mr. b***h character should be kicked square in the nuts.  She damned near ruined the franchise all by herself.


Title: Re: Casino Royale (2006)
Post by: dean on November 25, 2006, 01:00:02 AM

I think Judi Dench was an inspired choice for M.  The original M was a crotchety ex navy type [I think] who was very formal and very much a traditionalist [from what I remember] and changing this character to a female put a new bent on how people reacted to her and her position, by placing a woman it what had always been the stereotypical 'male as leader' role, if that makes any sense.  The trouble with the series at that time was around how formulaic the series had become instead I suppose.

I'm really looking foward to Casino Royale, because the book itself had alot of the gritty, non-flashy type of suspense and action, and suits this new direction alot better.  It's no surprise that CR wasn't made in the latest Brosnan spat of films mainly because it wouldn't have suited the style they went for.

I've got tons of questions about what will happen and who will be in it, but I'll wait for it to come out [Dec 7] rather than ruin the fun!

But as for my favourite Bond, I suppose it depends on what type of Bond you go for: Brosnan was fun, and had charm, but wasn't too 'funny' like Moore [who kind of annoys me really: if you want to act like "The Saint'' just stay with the TV series] Dalton was the most harsh Bond, and seemed to be the most like the Bond in the novels [as in an Arsehole] and Lazenby did an ok job, but only had the one film to really get into it, and I would have been more interested to see how he developed in style.

Connery for the moment is my favourite, but only because he achieved a good balance in the character more than anything.  After Casino Royale we'll see, since I loved Layer Cake and think Craig will make a terrific Bond!

Anyways, this is the movie I've been looking foward to all year!  Can't wait!


Title: Re: Casino Royale (2006)
Post by: Jack on November 25, 2006, 09:47:48 AM
The previous M's (with certain exceptions) were annoyed with Bond, but I could always sense an undercurrent of friendly amusement and mutual respect in their annoyance.  Dench, on the other hand, seemed to genuinely and deeply despise Bond, on both a personal and professional level.  Her outright disdain for him was palpable.  Which is really odd considering he's saved the world on numerous occasions - such an appalling lack of respect for the man is inexcusable.  But at the same time we're supposed to believe that she really does respect and admire him, yadda yadda yadda.  Her performance just didn't work for me in any way, shape or form.

Just my opinion though :)


Title: Re: Casino Royale (2006)
Post by: trekgeezer on November 25, 2006, 11:13:09 AM
I liked it a lot. It reminded me of the early Connery movies, before they were overcome with the gadgets. Craig is cold-blooded just like Connery was in those first films of the series. I could never stand Roger Moore because he may as well have been openly winking at the camera.

I think Lazenby's outing is actually one of the better films of the series. I've always felt Dalton was very underrated, he brought back Bond's dark side. Brosnan was good, but with Die Another Day they were heading back into Roger Moore's territory.

 Gotta love the last scene.


Title: Re: Casino Royale (2006)
Post by: Ash on November 25, 2006, 05:58:52 PM
I voted for Brosnan.   :thumbup:

Never cared for Connery, Moore or Dalton.  (hated Dalton in fact)
Never saw Lazenby's performance.

I thought "Goldeneye" was probably the best Bond film in my opinion and I loved "Tomorrow Never Dies".
But I agree that "The World Is Not Enough" and "Die Another Day" weren't the greatest.

Haven't seen Casino Royale yet.


Title: Re: Casino Royale (2006)
Post by: raj on November 27, 2006, 06:00:14 PM
I saw it over Thanksgiving.
I actually had stopped going to the Bond movies, the franchise was just tired.  I honestly don't remember if I saw the first Dalton one or not, I didn't see any of the Brosnan ones (though I did watch the tv show Pierce was on).  I did see all of the Roger Moore ones, but even as dense as I am, I could tell they had lost direction with Moonraker -- a bad guy vs. Marines shoot out in space?  That was utterly ridiculous.  007 stopped being about the story and was about the next explosion -- how to make it bigger -- and the newest gadgets.

So it was with some trepidation that I went; the kerfluffle about a blonde Bond, who maybe wasn't tough enough not helping either.
I was very pleasantly surprised.  The movie itself starts off with Bond earning his "00" status and while there are some explosions and gadgets they actually develop a story.  The characters are not cardboard cartoons but actual people, Judi Dench was an inspired choice I must say, and the background into James Bond and the ethics of killing are actually woven neatly into the film.

While it's still hard for me to wrap my head around a blonde Bond, I think the future of the franchise is in good hands.

PS -- Connery good
Lazenby:  underrated, though not stellar
Moore:  started out good, but the way was lost
Dalton:  haven't seen enough - incomplete
Brosnan:  diito - incomplete
Craig:  good.


Title: Re: Casino Royale (2006)
Post by: Doc Daneeka on November 27, 2006, 06:15:16 PM
Quote
Moore:  started out good, but the way was lost
Ever seen For your Eyes Only? In my mind a throwback to From Russia with Love in the fact that the plot was finally shifting away from explosive world domination! Octop***y is one of the top overall just for everything.


Title: Re: Casino Royale (2006)
Post by: Scott on November 27, 2006, 11:21:50 PM
Actually OCTOp***y was the very first James Bond film I ever saw and that was at the theater. Remember really enjoying the whole movie with Roger Moore as 007 and Maud Adams and her harem. Also the escape though the streets of Bombay (?) was fun and he finally gets away by throwing money in the streets blocking the bad guys.

(http://www.modern-art-reproductions.com/cartdata/uploads/1094198385_large-image_133_octop***y_1983_lg.jpg)

Depends on your mood I suppose. Are you in the mood for a fun Bond or a tough Bond.


Title: Re: Casino Royale (2006)
Post by: Neville on November 28, 2006, 09:45:45 AM
I liked a lot the recent Casino Royale, too. Still, it sorts of annoy me that many critics and fans say it's original different or risky. No way! It's just the old Bond done right, what the Brosnan era should have been if the producers hadn't been so busy collecting their checks. Just look at the names of the writers and the director, they're all "veterans" from the Brosnan era.

Still, Casino Royale is very, very good. I was happy to see the relationship between Bond and M from another angle, and to notice here and there how some of Bond's trademarks were born (his misoginy, to name one). Hell, he is even given some backgorund here.

And yes, the action was satisfyingly brutal, and the camerawork more restrained. Rather than creating a "new" Bond what they have done is to turn the clock back to the Connery era. Works for me, though.

As for the other Bonds, I always pick one movie per actor. See, I tend to think of every actor's tenure as a separate universe. So, my favourite Bonds so far are (drum roll):

Connery era: From Russia with love. Gotta love when Bond is actually given some spying thing to do, specially if that means exotic locations and plenty of action. Danielle bianchi is as annoying as beautiful, but Robert Shaw makes a great villain.

Lazemby era: On her majesty's secret service. Oh well, a rather easy choice. But still one of the best if not the best Bond entry ever. Lazemby is a bit too stiff, but his Bond is both cynical and human. Here he falls in love and fights a Blofld more dangerous than ever. The action is also very good, way ahead of its time, and John Barry's score is brilliant.

Moore era: Live and let die. Less serious than Connery's films, but less jockey than the follow ups, it has enough exotic elements to keep everybody happy. There's even vodoo! A bit too long, but ono of Moore's best for sure.

Dalton: The living daylights. The first of Dalton's outings as Bond portrays him as too suave and youngish, something they would try to solve on the next one. Here, however, the accentuation of the comic-bookish feel of Bond's adventures works well and has some great action too. Also has some of the best director John Glen and musician John Barry ever did for the series.

Brosnan: The world is not enough. Brosnan's tenure is my less favourite, but for some reason here he was able to portray a more tough and burnout Bond than usual. The supporting actors are very well choosen (specially Sophie Marceau and Robert Carlyle) and the action is unusually brutal for a Brosnan Bond.


Title: Re: Casino Royale (2006)
Post by: Zapranoth on April 21, 2007, 11:52:51 PM
I just watched Casino Royale (we have kids, it takes us a while to get to the new stuff).

I thought it was impressively well done!  I loved the brutal action and the relative focus on character and not so much of the gadgets and action (although plenty of action).  Very well done, very well done.  I, for one, lost interest somewhere in the Dalton era, and I can't remember one scene of any of Brosnan's Bond movies.  (Not one -- seriously.)

But this one was a true entry in the franchise, and I'll be watching the next.. oh, yes.


Title: Re: Casino Royale (2006)
Post by: Ash on April 22, 2007, 12:32:59 AM
I watched Casino Royale like 3 weeks ago and tried searching for this old thread but couldn't find it.   :question:
Oh well...it's back now.

Awesome film!   :thumbup:

I thought Craig kicked ass as Bond.   :smile:
What a fantastic performance!

!!Slight Spoiler!!

The middle part of the movie where Bond plays that extremely high stakes game of poker was my favorite.
I love the game of poker and to watch Bond risk it all in a single game was great.
Especially when he gets poisoned and comes so close to actually dying and has to try and shock himself with the defibrillator.
That scene was absolutely riveting.

WATCH BOND GET POISONED (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtYX53UgSV8)

!!End Slight Spoiler!!

I give it 3.5 stars out of 4.

If you haven't seen it yet...you should definitely check it out.


By the way...this entire thread should be moved to the "Good Movies" section




Title: Re: Casino Royale (2006)
Post by: Neville on April 22, 2007, 01:40:27 AM


By the way...this entire thread should be moved to the "Good Movies" section



I agree.


Title: Re: Casino Royale (2006)
Post by: Yaddo 42 on April 23, 2007, 05:44:24 AM
Why didn't I see this in the theater?

What I've been wanting from the Bond series for a long time, gritty action, violence that looks painful, believeable plots, consequences.

I like what they did, they used the novel as a skeleton, and added plot elements that fit with the modern day, updated things where needed, but always kept the story as the focus. I even recognized lines of dialogue, and I read the book years ago. So glad they kept the line "the b***h is dead" in some form. Shows they were paying attention. Even kept the spirit of the torture scene, but made it work better visually, got to have Bond make his stand through the pain, but still ended it in the spirit (if not the letter) of the book.

I liked Dench, she was one of the few elements of the Brosnan years that I liked. Bond is a tool or weapon to her, he gets the job done but she maintains her distaste for how he does it and the kind of man he is. She has thrown around the word "dinosaur" before. Since this film is a prequel/reboot of sorts it helps to explain her dislike for him, he invades her personal life/inner sanctum like to get his job done. His methods are as messy as they are effective.

The only elemetn I'm iffy on is that the Vesper relationship shapes his later attitude for women. Bond here is in his thirties, young for the character, but not a man with unformed relationships and attitudes toward women. I could see the effect in a younger man, but I figure he's pretty far down the road in that regard when the film starts.

Loved how they worked the gun barrel image into the intro, gave it a context for once. It was always cool (except when I'd overanalyze it and wonder how the blood got into the barrel that way, jokingly), but for once there was a reason for it to be there.

Let's hope they can maintain the evergy and spirit of this one for several films, wonder if they'll adapt another novel next or go back to original stories. Will gadgets and Q make a return or not, I wonder. That part got way too cartoony.  I hope they get some good use out of Felix in other films also, Jeffrey Wright was a great choice.


Title: Re: Casino Royale (2006)
Post by: Oldskool138 on April 23, 2007, 09:50:57 AM
Casino Royale is the most re-watchable Bond film ever.

I saw this in the theater and was blown away.  They played with the Bond movie formula and kept with the spirit of the novel (which I read shortly after seeing the movie).  It has arguably one of the best credit sequences (I wished there were more girls in it but it still rules).  I can't wait for the next Craig/Bond movie.

Best James Bond (IMO):

1. Connery
2. Craig
3. Brosnan
4. Moore
5. Dalton
6. Lazenby


Title: Re: Casino Royale (2006)
Post by: Ash on April 24, 2007, 03:34:10 AM
A couple of questions...

After Bond gets poisoned, he grabs a salt shaker and a glass, takes them into the restroom and drinks saltwater.
How does that counteract poison?

And what type of liquid poison is there that would cause the quick reaction it did within Bond's body?

Anyone?


Title: Re: Casino Royale (2006)
Post by: Neville on April 24, 2007, 03:42:13 AM
Drinking salt water (or coffee with salt) provokes vomit, and that should minimize the effect of any poison, but only if it has been ingested. I guess that is what gives him time to reach his car and contact his superiors.


Title: Re: Casino Royale (2006)
Post by: Ash on April 24, 2007, 04:08:56 AM
One other question...

SLIGHT SPOILER!!

When Le Chiffre was torturing Bond, was he hitting him in the nuts with that rope with the weight on the end of it?
I could've sworn that the seat Bond was sitting in had the bottom cut out of it.

Is that what he was doing?


Title: Re: Casino Royale (2006)
Post by: Neville on April 24, 2007, 04:37:28 AM
I'm afraid so.


Title: Re: Casino Royale (2006)
Post by: Kooshmeister on April 24, 2007, 06:13:55 AM
Well with all the jokes Bond was making about Le Chiffre "scratching his balls," I would've thought that would've been obvious.

And, I voted for Timothy Dalton, if only because I'm afraid I don't really care what actor is in the role; I focus on the movies in and of themselves, and the two Dalton films just happen to be my favorites.


Title: Re: Casino Royale (2006)
Post by: Neville on April 24, 2007, 06:42:30 AM
I love the first one, "The living daylights", even if Dalton's Bond is too much suave for my taste. But "License to kill" is a stinker, a pure 80s revenge action thriller that has little to do with the series. The final truck chase, however, is still one of my favourite action scenes in the whole series.


Title: Re: Casino Royale (2006)
Post by: dean on April 24, 2007, 12:48:15 PM

License to Kill wasn't too bad.  I enjoyed it at least.

The great thing about Living Daylights and License to Kill were the theme songs.  Just pure 80s brilliance really.



Title: Re: Casino Royale (2006)
Post by: Neville on April 24, 2007, 01:17:45 PM
Yes. And John Barry's score in "Ther living daylights" is one of his best.


Title: Re: Casino Royale (2006)
Post by: Yaddo 42 on April 25, 2007, 05:14:16 AM
One other question...

SLIGHT SPOILER!!

When Le Chiffre was torturing Bond, was he hitting him in the nuts with that rope with the weight on the end of it?
I could've sworn that the seat Bond was sitting in had the bottom cut out of it.

Is that what he was doing?

Neville and Kooshmeister are right. In the book Le Chiffre hits him down low with a carpet beater while Bond is tied to a chair with the woven seat cut out, the rope makes a better visual. Also I don't think it was a weight, it looked like a large knot known as a Monkey's Fist. I saw lines with such knots on the ends when I went sailing in high school, so it makes sense for one to be on a ship like that. They give a little weight to the end of the line when tossing it. Those knots are solid and hurt like hell when hit in a non-sensitive spot with one. Don't want to think about being hit in the jewels with one.


Title: Re: Casino Royale (2006)
Post by: StackAttack on May 08, 2007, 09:09:46 AM
sean connery is the first and best. well i dont know what the character was like in the books as i never got around to reading any of them but if i were to pick my the version of the character that id most want to be it would definitely be connery.


Title: Re: Casino Royale (2006)
Post by: Doggett on February 21, 2009, 06:35:28 PM
I watched Casino Royale like 3 weeks ago and tried searching for this old thread but couldn't find it.   :question:
Oh well...it's back now.

Awesome film!   :thumbup:

I thought Craig kicked ass as Bond.   :smile:
What a fantastic performance!

!!Slight Spoiler!!

The middle part of the movie where Bond plays that extremely high stakes game of poker was my favorite.
I love the game of poker and to watch Bond risk it all in a single game was great.
Especially when he gets poisoned and comes so close to actually dying and has to try and shock himself with the defibrillator.
That scene was absolutely riveting.

WATCH BOND GET POISONED ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtYX53UgSV8[/url])

!!End Slight Spoiler!!

I give it 3.5 stars out of 4.

If you haven't seen it yet...you should definitely check it out.


By the way...this entire thread should be moved to the "Good Movies" section





Bond is so tough he's the only guy that can die and still come back to win.

"That last hand nearly killed me", genius.


Title: Re: Casino Royale (2006)
Post by: Psycho Circus on February 21, 2009, 06:45:08 PM
Awful film. Not bond, just a load of fake explosions made to grab the money of idiots.