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Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: Andrew on April 20, 2003, 06:57:15 PM


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Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: panda on March 29, 2003, 11:52:35 PM
O___O *Has just finished watching the most horrible dub job on the international channel.* I...want...to...cry!!! That was insanley HORRIBLE! They should never EVER EVER make an anime into a live action movie. Although they did a fairly good job portraying the characters, I was able to tell which was which right away, that was still a defanite NO NO. Sadly, I must admit that I was greatly amused throught the length of the movie, but still, I am so sadly disappointed...was Wolfwood (or whatever his name was -_-) supposed to be my dearest Yamcha???? *Shakes head* Never again...never again...


Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: Sean Finnigan on November 25, 2006, 04:09:49 PM
Live-Action Anime is almost never any good kinda like movie adaptions of video games. Personally I don't like DragonBall Z TV series or the movies; especially the first one. There are definately good anime movies and TV shows out there; DragonBall Z is just not one of them.


Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: Dries on November 25, 2006, 04:09:49 PM
I don't think the movie is about the episodes of Dragon Ball. Ok, the movie is called 'dragon ball' but it is about Dragon Ball z allright. Oh yeah and by the way,I am the guy who gave the Dragon Ball z site the suggestion to put 'Robin Shou' in the top 7. So if you are planning to vote. Vote for Robin Shou. It's the best choice you're going to get..


Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: Elementos on March 09, 2002, 11:48:42 PM
My god........ Akira Toyamoto let tis happen? where did it go wrong? methinks when u try to make an anime into a rela life movie... this degrades dragionball, shame on the directors and burn in hell!


Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: khalahaley on June 17, 2002, 02:05:30 AM
You guys should know that Akira Toyamoto did not make this happen. This is an unofficial movie made by some cheap Taiwanese producer. You guys should get some background information before giving any reviews.


Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: Kurt on November 25, 2006, 04:10:12 PM
This movie takes less liberties than the people it was shown too may think.  The plot sounds almost identical to "Dragonball: Curse of the Blood Rubies" the first, and most family-friendly, of the Dragonball films.

Er, not that I watch them.


Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: Francis on November 25, 2006, 04:09:03 PM
Just wanted to make sure that everyone knows that the movie is based of the Dragonball series, not the Dragonball Z series. There are some pretty big differences...


Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: Green Hornet on October 19, 2001, 07:19:40 PM
More input from a gun nut: When the featured clip opens, we clearly see the full-auto muzzle-flash come from the barrel of the 40mm grenade discharger attached to the rifle. Just another WIERD Hollywood gun, I suppose.


Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: adam on October 21, 2001, 04:38:33 PM
LOL! i just got the 3 graphic novels of dragon ball and the chars dont look like anything compared to the comic....oolong looks so sad...


Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: Fore on November 25, 2006, 04:09:03 PM
WHAT! They did make a live-action DB movie and I missed it!

Oh well, looked like it sucked anyway.


Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: Super Saiyan Goku on November 18, 2001, 06:01:35 PM
Huh! The cartoon is better, I dont mean that funimation garbage they give you, I mean the Japanese episodes.


Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: saiya-jin on November 25, 2006, 04:09:49 PM
I guess you people don't really know your Chinese folklore...dragonball is based off of an old Chinese legend, about a monkey boy...basically, this movie is about that story (well, mostly)....do some research before you speak


Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: Ubuu on March 17, 2002, 02:04:45 AM
No Comment, one question....Why God Why?


Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: Cheradenine_Zakalwe on November 25, 2006, 04:09:03 PM
Does this film feature a fight scene where a guy with a sword is flying and fighting against the Turtle guy? They ed up after flying so that the guy with the sword is trying to force himself ontop of the Turtle guy, but the Turtle guy is gripping the blade between his hands???
I remember this scene from years ago and I think this could be the film...


Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: Vegeta Sama on November 25, 2006, 04:10:12 PM
I post this in responce to saiy-jin's post.

It is not based on a Chinese folklore because in the Monkey King legend, there is no mention of "Dragon Pearls", but it does seem to follow the storyline of the Dragon Ball animated movie "Curse of the Blood Rubies."  There are many other parts of the movie that I could point out which follow the Dragon Ball storyline more so than it follows the story of Sun Wu Kong.

I think you should do some research before you speak, saiya-jin.


Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: on November 25, 2006, 04:09:49 PM
The movie dosen't follow the ancient Chineese legend what it is is the movie is based on the translated vesion of the Japeneese comics or so I've heard


Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: Doll on November 25, 2006, 04:09:03 PM
I wouldnīt buy it, itīs really a bad and cheap movie!
Itīs based on DB, not DBZ and I think itīs a total rip off!

Donīt waste your money!!! Rather spend the money on the Anime Movies!


Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: Ņbrevu on November 25, 2006, 04:09:49 PM
This is the best film I've ever seen. I've seen it many times, and every one I couldn't stop laughing.


Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: Not-So-Super-Guy on November 25, 2006, 04:10:12 PM
The initial idea of Dragonball (The Manga) was a twisted version of the Chinese Legend "A Journey to the West". It follows Monkey and his quest to retreive Buddhist scrolls from the West. Eventually, it eveolved into something completely different.

This movie borrorws heavily from both Dragonball and Journey to the West, but does so because it is a Hong Kong produced Homage to Dragonball. It isn't officially licensed (it's not even Japanese), and as such, there had to be enough changes to distinguish it from a copyrighted property like Dragonball (Even though Copyright Laws in Japan are pretty lax).

Also, this movie is bad.


Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: Dare on March 14, 2003, 11:43:59 AM
Oh My God... How many synonyms are there for the word horrible?  This movie is so unbelievably bad that it brings me to tears. How could anyone desecrate Dragonball so badly? The people that made this movie need to be shot. I could pull a better movie out of my @$$. I mean really... were they even trying? How can you screw up so many aspects of a fairly simple anime so badly? Try as I might, words cannot describe how bad this movie is, or how much I hate it... not to mention the people that made it in the first place. If the new DBZ live action movie coming out sucks this bad, I will lose all faith and interest in Dragonball as we know it. This movie was that bad....


Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: Millindroth on November 25, 2006, 04:09:49 PM
I just saw this movies yesterday and I have to say that it was so bad that it was cool.  It sucked so much, yet it rocked.  Cartoon lightning beams and poorly played kung-fu is just cool to me... Oh, and let's not forget bad voice acting.  So bad, that it's good!


Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: G.E.N. on November 25, 2006, 04:09:49 PM
This is by far the worst movie ever created, it's an insult to DB


Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: Alex De Large on November 25, 2006, 04:09:49 PM
That was the greatest adaption of a chinese legend I've ever seen.  In fact, that was probably the best movie I've ever seen.  I learned so much.  For instance I never realized that a gun's fire can go from the intensity of a shotgun to that of a bazooka to that of an atomic bomb in less then three shots.


Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: Lex Fire on November 25, 2006, 04:09:49 PM
This movie has nothing to do with Akira Toriyama for all you silly people complaining how it is so bad and how the Dragon Ball anime is better. Well yes, the Dragon Ball anime is better, but the two aren't even related. This is just a nice, loose adaptation of Journey to the West, the chinese legend, made as a cheap Hong Kong movie, also mildly playing off some of the elements of the old DB comics (without much attention to them ofcourse). So don't cry ranting how its such an insult when they arent the same, just either ignore its stupidity or laugh at it. You cannot rate something horrible if it was so bad you laughed to death, cause then all it means is that the movie was a great comedy!


Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: Doc Savate on November 25, 2006, 04:09:49 PM
Quit chur cryin', ya big anime babies... It looks like a fun goofy film, ESPECIALLY if you're familiar with the Dragonball cartoon. Loosen up. :)


Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: SSJ Nanz on November 25, 2006, 04:09:49 PM
I have this movie and I still think it's so badly made, it's hilarious. The utter crappage is a reward unto itself.

BTW, don't buy the movie if you're looking for something good.


Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: arc on May 28, 2004, 08:58:14 PM
That was worth the whole 34 seconds of laughter, what a bunch of retards, but i was expecting more mindeless violence and lots of blowing s**t up..what a let down lmao.


Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: WPack911 on November 25, 2006, 04:09:49 PM
This movie is an a piece of dog crap a funny piece of crap, but a horrible adaption of the Dragon Ball series no Anime deserves to be humilated like this I like Dragon Ball not the best anime, but it's ok. This movie is a descrace. It's one of those movies you see and say WTF is this and then you relize it's based on Dragon Ball and then puke over the stank coming off this pile of crap. I hope Akira Toriyama suied the pants off of whoever made this movie for ruining his anime series good name. Let's just hope the upcoming American Dragon Ball Z movie does not suck half as bad as this movie because it can't suck this bad no movie can.


Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: Travis on November 25, 2006, 04:10:12 PM
I am a fan of all of the Dragonball series and whether or not this movie holds true does not make it the greatest movie ever.  Forget that you ever watched animated Dragonball, and then watch the movie without any bias.  It is without doubt one of the hilarious and entertaining movies I have ever seen when you put aside the general idea of a "great movie".  
  Anyways, being an anime fan I have found other anime fans to be fairly pretentious about there favorite movies and need to remember that while we can see the great points of many anime movies, there are anime adaptions of other movies that people without a taste for anime would view as crap.
  I believe, like I said before, this movie needs to be viewed without the idea of it being based on Dragonball.  Anyone that would not find this entertaining and be an anime fan is a stuck up prick that can go watch Evangelion and the 10000 other giant robot anime flicks that are not half as entertaining as this movie.


Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: Jessica on November 25, 2006, 04:09:49 PM
Stupid movies like this are so funny! Come on, you're at a site about bad movies, right? Don't be so surprised. Besides, the anime Dragonball is only mediocre, and Dragonball Z is the most horrible anime I have ever seen. It gives anime a bad name. The new DBZ movie probably won't be any better than this one.


Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: sburstein on November 25, 2006, 04:09:49 PM
It's fascinating enough that the Chinese [in Hong Kong]decided to make their own film version of a Japanese manga.


Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: Goku on November 25, 2006, 04:09:49 PM
The movie was hilarios I cant believe it was made in 1993.  It's mainly based on the lore of the dragon pearls and Son-Goku which roughly translates into Monkey Boy.  That is where the anime got the magic cloud and elongating staff.  In R.O.D. the OVA there is a throughback to the weapons of Goku.  It is also a pretty good anime deffinatly worth checking out.


Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: Athenais on February 12, 2005, 06:30:37 PM
It sucks, but the plot reminds me of the first dragonball movie.. it think it was three in all with a childlike goku and not the adult one.... yeah the plot is a lot like blood rubies or so was the title... but really the this film is not worth looking, but hey nice try for low budget and were they having the right to do that at all? I mean copyrights?


Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: Annie on November 25, 2006, 04:09:49 PM
I am glad to see that there are others who have seen this magical film, and then when I viewed it on the International Channel that it was not merely a dream or a mirage. Holy s**t. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon wasn't as innovative as we all thought.


Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: super17rocks on November 25, 2006, 04:09:49 PM
Lets get it right.  Although ideas for a few DB characters were taken from Chinese folklore, this movie's by no means an adaptation of 'Journey to The West'.  Saying so would also be saying that Akira Toriyama was biting off of the folklore, instead of making an honest creative japanese comic.  It was only a poorly made, unlicensed, goofy adaptation of the origin Dragonball.  The references were obvious with Dragon Pearls being Dragonballs, Monkey Boy being Goku, Grandpa being Gohan (Goku's Grandfather/Guardian) although he live in the movie, Seetoe being Bulma, Pig Fairy as Oolong (remember the shapeshifter pig from DB/DBZ?), Westwood as Yamcha, and Turle Man as Master Roshi the Turtle Hermit.  Other refernces include, Monkey Boy explaing he was found in the forest and raise by Grandpa, Piggy threatening young girls to force them to marry him, Turtle Man being a dirty ol' man, magic cloud (flying nimbus in DB/DBZ), and Westwood's stark fear of the fairer sex.  And just like the DB series where Bulma likes Yamcha, Seetoe likes Westwood.  I also think Snow White the parrot was a replacement for Por, Yamcha's shapeshifting cat friend.  Yeah yeah, I watched the horrible movie and enjoy making the refernces.  But it did remind me of most of the past movies adapted from comics/cartoons, before really good sfx existed.  You remember ones like Doctor Strange, Spiderman live-action TV series, Street Fighter, and Masters of The Universe (aka He-Man), don't you?


Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: Pajamas O. Ruttencutter III on November 25, 2006, 04:09:49 PM
I worship this movie like you may worship the bible. A guy must not touch a girl... they're called... RAPISTS!!! it has many morals. its all you need to teach your children. dont send them to school. if you think this is a big joke, get out of my sight. i am being dead serious. i might be insane, but if being insane involves loving this movie, send me to the asylum. YEAH!!!!


Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: SuperSaiyan4Godzilla on November 25, 2006, 04:10:12 PM
Well, first off, this movie is based of Doragonbôru: Shenron no Densetsu. Or DragonBall: THe Legend of Shenlong. AKA Curse of the Blood Rubies. Here is the synopisis for The Legend of Shelong:
This is a retelling of how Goku began his adventures; from the first encounters with Bulma, Oolong, Pu'er, and Yamcha, up to his learning Kamehame-Ha just by watching Kame-Sen'nin using the technique, to the calling of the Dragon God, Shenlong. This time, Goku's origins are tied in with the evil King Gurumes (who wants the Dragon Balls to wish to put a stop to his endless hunger), and the King's minions, Pasta and Bongo (these two are using the quest for the Dragon Balls to cover the fact that they are greedily raping the countryside to gather up valuable "Rich Stones"). Bulma still wants to wish for a nice boyfriend, and Yamcha still wants the Dragon Balls to wish for his fear of women to be gone. Bulma ends up summoning Shenlong before Gurumes can, but Pansy, the daughter of the local mayor, shouts out her wish first -- for the countryside to be restored to its original state, prior to the discovery of Rich Stones. Shenlong does this, and causes the stones to disappear. Gurumes becomes a normal deformed human that likes to eat apples, and Goku zips off to find his Sûshinchû (Si Xing Qiu, the 4-star ball) again.

THank you Daizenshuu EX for the synopis.

now that you read it, The movie does has to do with Legend of Shenron instead of Journy to the West. I also have soemthing else to say. Comments should only be for people that saw the movie! Now this movie is missing somethings, but still. I give it 4.5/5.    



Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: Nik Nak on November 25, 2006, 04:10:12 PM
The initial idea of Dragonball (The Manga) was a twisted version of the Chinese Legend "A Journey to the West". It follows Monkey Boy and his quest to retreive Buddhist scrolls from the West. Eventually, it eveolved into something completely different.
This movie borrorws heavily from both Dragonball and Journey to the West.
What you think of the movie pretty much depends on how you are watching it. If you are watching it as a live action version of Dragonball then you are likely to be disapointed if not outraged at the horrible job the makers did. However if you are watching it as a comedy kind of film or a parody then whether or not you like the anime doesn't matter you are going to find this a bad movie but so bad that it is funny.


Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: Spiro on September 21, 2006, 01:22:58 AM
Okay, it looks good.bad. It has nothing and alot to do with DragonBall. Jade was in the Jouney to the west. The monkey boy was in the journey to the west. So was the magical flying cloud. The Nyu Ibo was in the journey to the west. Who gives a s**t, DB manga was good, DB anime was good, so stick with them. DB copied the journey to the west, the s**t live action movie copied from the journey to the west and DB. Who cares, I agree with Nik Nak


Title: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: on November 25, 2006, 04:09:49 PM
Heh heh, what the hell?!

Dragonball characters with guns and s**t?!

Man, now I've seen everything....


Title: Re: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: Amarant on January 19, 2007, 04:52:16 AM
I shouldn't feel a need to reply here, but I will anyways.

DB and DBZ, in my opinion, are excellent, and a Live-Action Movie could have been an incredible opportunity to amaze people. Unfortunately, that was not the goal of this movie, but nonetheless it was hilarious. Horrible portrayals of great movies/shows/animes have *always* been popular, be they shown on TV, made into a film, or just people joking with their friends.

Naturally, those who turned to 'Dragonball: The Magic Begins' and expected to see astronomical Matrix-quality battles and a Kamehameha that could put the Death Star's lasers to shame were disappointed, but that's what happens when you expect too much of things.

And for all you who think that DB is not a twisted version of 'Journey to the West', Akira made it public knowledge that it was. Many many differences, and you may not like it, but that's the blunt truth =D

--Amarant--


Title: Re: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: Ignignokt_and_Err on March 23, 2007, 04:46:05 PM
you guys are retarded, DragonBall, and DragonBall Z is based on an ancient chinese legend, and this movie is not even closely related with the anime.  Although the stories are the same it is only because they come from the same myth told by asian people, and its not a live action reproduction of DBZ or its original DragonBall series.  Most people will argue and say that the DBZ is way too extreme to be an ancient legend, what with the crazed alien dictators and what not, but thats only because after the unexpected popularity of DragonBall, the story had no where else to go, so they just started making s**t up.  I have not seen the hole movie yet, but from the descriptions in the review it sounded like they give a very accurate porttrayal of the  legend, but then again there are many different versions and many many many different speculations on the characters and the exact role in the story.  This can especially be noted with Monkeyboy, or Goku.  If you ever play Marvel Vs. Capcom you will see a character named son son, who is female, carries the power pole, and goes super sayan.  I beleive she is based of one of capcoms early venture to produce a video game about the legend, but I havent found any proof yet. Nonetheless it proves my point, this is not closely related to the DragonBall anime series, however I have heard they are trying to make a live action version of the DBZ series, but I wouldn't keep my hopes up.


Title: Re: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: Tsukasa Macleod on December 16, 2007, 03:14:34 PM
I love anime. Dragonball is not one of my favorites, but I still collapsed in horror at this monstrosity. It wasn't until the live action "Fist of The North Star" movie that this horror was topped. At one point they were even considering a live action "Bleach" movie! Otaku, Chite, or just plain anime fans, if you see this movie on the shelves, RUN!!!!!


Title: Re: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: Giant Claw Jr on January 08, 2008, 12:33:30 AM
And all of them were out acted by the bird who has the best parts THEY SHOULD HAVE LEFT  IT A VIDEO GAME


Title: Re: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: ALBATOSS on February 28, 2008, 10:33:12 PM
Have you ever noticed that when they make a movie from a popular video game it turns out to be as bad as it can ever be? :thumbdown: :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: Lévai József on March 31, 2008, 12:26:35 PM
Wait a nanotick... that's no Monkey Boy... THAT'S GOKU!!!


Title: Re: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: IRSISRSRI on March 31, 2008, 10:26:33 PM
This movie warned me of the dangers of eating Dragonballs


Title: Re: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: Rodrigo on June 14, 2008, 11:56:47 AM
Hi everyone.

I've been searching for some subtitles for this movie, but I only found in Polish...

Do you know where I can find subs in Portuguese or English?

Thanks in advance!


Title: Re: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: Alexsource on September 24, 2008, 12:29:38 PM
I watched this movie twice, and I both think it's incredibly funny, and a disgrace to DB.

I don't know if it has elements from the journey to the west wich DB skips or not, nut, as many other posters said, it undenniably has *A LOT* of stuff wich too similar to the first chapters of DB to be ignored.

BTW, I've always tought the main badguy looked like a weird mix between Pilaf and Piccollo  :twirl:

Heads up! The fox produced db movie looks like it's gonna suck, but for enterily different reasons. Daredevil-like reasons, but more so, if possible.


Title: Re: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: Intangible Skeleton on October 05, 2008, 05:40:31 PM
Even this review couldn't prepare me for how awesome the movie was.

The fight scenes were actually pretty impressive in a whacked out Wuzia way, and the special effects... boy were they special. And is "Monkey Boy" played by a girl? Also I swear Grandpa actually calls him Goku at one point near the end.

The highlight has to be Turtle Hermit, that guy is the man. They nailed that character to a T. He's a pervert with a funky groove. I actually think this movie is more accurate to Dragonball than the new one will be, and I can say already that this one is the more entertaining movie.


Title: Re: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: Bojik Arc on October 30, 2008, 08:52:12 PM
   Wow....if this is how bad a live-action anime turns out, I shudder to think what the live action Avatar will be like...
   I've never been a fan of anime, let alone live-action versions of anime, but when I saw this....this....I cannot even put it into words.  :drink:  I am NEVER going on the Winamp channel EVER AGAIN.


Title: Re: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: Cinnamon Revenge on July 17, 2009, 02:49:21 PM
well, I see this is a very old topic, but I found this site searching for this movie... I think it's way better then DragonBall Evolution... The movie was made 1989 what did you expect? I don't agree with your bad critics, it's a funny movie and has good fighting scenes... It's originally in Japanese, so blame the one who translated it for the bad grammar or mistakes...
You said you're not a big fan, but you should understand that the movie is not meant to be realistic... Flying clouds, magic and the Kame hame ha wave are part of the story, and Goku has superhuman power and that's the reason why he can stand bullets with kung fu...
well, I just had to say my opinion  :twirl:


Title: Re: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: Cinnamon Revenge on July 17, 2009, 02:57:11 PM
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Still, it quickly became obvious that the live action film took certain liberties.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Ball:_The_Magic_Begins
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Ball:_Curse_of_the_Blood_Rubies

it's a remake of the anime movie Dragon Ball: Curse of the Blood Rubies

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Plot

Curse of the Blood Rubies is a modified adaptation of the gathering of the initial story arc in the Dragon Ball manga, with the original character King Gourmeth substituting Emperor Pilaf's role as the main antagonist. Like in the manga, Curse of the Blood Rubies depicts how Goku meets up with Bulma, Yamcha, Oolong, and Puar during his first search for the Dragon Balls.


ha!  :twirl:


Title: Re: Dragonball: The Magic Begins
Post by: Dnaix on March 11, 2012, 04:21:27 PM
Although this movie was kinda bad and inaccurate, I still felt it to be pretty funny at times.Compared to the newest live action movie,DB Evolution,there is no contest....the Magic Begins was a lot better. Especially taking into account how long ago this movie was made,and lack of special effects technology.Even with Goku begin played by a girl(i think?). So in my opinion, if you go watch Evolution first,then this movie will actually be a welcomed relief from the pain that you'd just endured.Only then could you appreciate how much better of a job was done in this movie...... seriously!!! Evolution sucked dragonballs!!!