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Ken, whats the insignia for the 101st Non-Fighting Chickenhawks look like?

"Why is it that liberals are thoroughly bent on revising history? Oh yeah, I forgot - the only thing that validates their way of thinking is fantasy"

This is a bit rich considering the number of "They wouldn't let us win" Vietnam P.O.W. rescue mission flicks were produced while "The Gipper" was in power.

Still, some of those movies were fun. This particular flick doesn't sound too enticing.

Wow! I can see what you mean. This movie is so bad, and I don't mean that in a good way, it hurt me just to read the review. But, is there such a thing as a negative skull? If you hated this one, then you'll probably tear your eyes out, after seeing "Billy Jack Goes to Washington." The Medveds consider it the worst film, that you never saw, because it never got a widespread release. And we'll probably fortunate, that it never did.

I guess you can hang up your keyboard in shame, Ken. You'll NEVER make liberals look stupider than Furball does.

Kind of like the Giant Claw, actually, on a field of yellow.

The only reason I went to see TOBJ was to see Bong Soo Han to his famous double jump kick take out two future Republicans at once. Up until about three years ago I was a conservative. That after was supporting Gary Hart in '84. Lately I've been thinking it's all about money and they're all the same. After the last election I'm sure of it. Anyway, that's how I heard about The new Billy Jack. I was listening to Alex Jones. I think he's on to something. Tom said that there's a war crimes trial of George W in the new flick. I believe the movie is in the can and looking for a distributor. If it gets wide release I can't wait to see Sean Hannity have a stroke about it on Fox. I don't want to take the focus off Bad Movies but, read Animal Farm kids, and beware of Big Brother.    

Thank you for your well-reasoned critique, Furball.

Yes, the movie is a bit cliched, dialogue seems very stale, but then again this was made in 1970s. On the other hand message of the movie is quite accurate. If you do not think so, then you weren't around in 60s or 70s.

I appreciate that Andrew avoids Ken Begg's ridiculous sort of display--digging up and licking Ronald Reagan's* dead ass, for example. This is why Jabootu reviews are so long: Begg has to spend ample amounts of time with every review setting up his basic premise: "liberal baaaaaaaaaaa...d...conservative gooooood...neoconservative even betterrrrrrrr." Begg doesn't want to say "Superman 4: The Quest For Peace" is stupid; he wants to use it to hammer you with the idea that awl Liburals is stoopids.

(Never mind that Liberals were right about everything in Iraq, among other things. Begg, a proud member of The 101st Non-Fighting Chickenhawks, will spend eighty paragraphs trying to gas you with some horses**t like this: Hussein was 'the' Weapon of Mass Destruction in Iraq, so if you twist reality the right way, Bush was, in fact, correct--and it's a great thing that thousands of US soldiers have died--and will die--to, um, er, "liberate" people he's never given a damn about in his life. I can only imagine how he's dealing with "Revenge of the Sith.")

Jabootu's like FOX News: you don't go there to get information; you go there to have your prejudices masturbated by the fellow faithful. That, and it's full of morons who are certain of nothing more than their own superior intelligence.

*Iran-Contra, James Watt, Alzheimer's, arming Saddam Hussein with WMDs, and massive deficit spending. What a legacy!

I suppose anti-war protesters in Oakland should be thankful that when local authorities shot THEM (in the back) as they obeyed orders to disperse quietly last year, it was with wooden dowels instead of bullets.

This movie is why the hippie movement pretty much died out.
not this movie itself but the disjointed, thoughtless, skewed view of reality.  There were plenty of things about the established authority of the day to be unhappy about, but get real.  Things are so over exaggerated and the hippies are so full of love, but angry as heck at the same time.  The movie makes no sense, as did many aspects of that whole time period. I have seen the movie. And I would consider myself one of the anti-establishment crowd.  But this movie develops no sympathy for them even though is demonizes the establishment

I remember most of this movie, and it was heavy handed to the extreme. I doubt I could sit thru it without doing an MST3K the whole time. I do admire Tom Laughlins passion though. But, I'd still rather watch The Born Losers over any of his "message films". Get ready! Tom and Delores have a new flick coming out. From what I heard Tom telling Alex Jones on the radio last week it makes TOBJ look like a Little Rascals short in comparasin.

It was a violent mob at Kent State confronting the National Guard. TWO of this mob were killed. There were two others killed were were not part of the mob but merely taking the normal route they took to classes and had every right in the world to be where they were; this is correct.

And there were others injured.

As Ken, the other reviewer, pointed out, there were not "thousands of shots" fired (much less into dormitories), as Jean/Delores claims, but around 70. Of course, that was too many. And there weren't a dozen such cases, either, even though one case would also be too many.

Things were bad enough just plain. You don't have to make them fancy. But one starts off wishing black were a bit blacker, then one sees grey as black, and finally white as black.

Someone here or on the other movie talked about how there was no spirituality in Christianity. I guess St. Francis of Assisi, St. Seraphim of Sarov, Dame Julian of Norwich, Mother Theresa of Calcutta, or Pope John Paul II (among others) don't count, do they? I noticed that this same writer talked about how Pagan spirituality (such as Native American) encourages the individual to accept his place in the universe--and in the next paragraph condemns Christianity for doing the same thing.

Consistency (or even truth) has never been a characteristic of bigotry, which exists on the left as well as the right.

It's amazing how the libs will use any oppertunity to insult those that don't conform to their way of thinking. I'm not surprised your people lost the House, Senate, and Presidency all in one election.

The moral of Trial of Billy Jack: If you don't think like us and hate everyone that has a different opinion, then we will hate you, make faces, and contradict our own beliefs.

60's - Global cooling will kill us all!
80's - Global warming will kill us all!
00's - Global warming will lead to global cooling and another season of Survivor!

   Whoa!:those two reviews on both here and on the jabootu site are actually much longer than this very heavily out-dated movie,which definitely would never be able to have been made today(considering the post 9/11 times we are living in),for Erik is right that Tom and Dolores are planning "Billy Jack's Crusade",where they pass their leftist pacifist ways toward a eager new generation(Tom was originally planning a "Fahrenheit 9/11"-esque documentary called "Billy Jack Laughlin For Presdient",but passed out on doing it),which will really have the Fox New Chaneel crowd(and G.W. Bush supporters)talking should it ever get made.

   Otherwise,bring on that longly-awaited review of "Billy Jack Goes To Washington" after you fully recovering from having seen,and reviewed,"Trial..."(as well as whatever happened to Tom's aborted,uncompleted 1985 feature "The Return Of Billy Jack").

Kent State was not "a violent mob".  It was college students going between classes, being mistaken for a mob by panicky National Guardsmen (at least the ones who weren't looking for an excuse to take students down).

Well, I spent the afternoon watching the very move that the omnipotent They would not allow to be shown or distributed: Billy Jack Goes to Washington.

It's a very poor imitation of the Frank Capra classic MR SMITH GOES TO WASHINGTON.

E. G. Marshall's performance brightens up the movie just as flowers brighten up a sickroom.

Question: If BJ had wound up owning these 400 acres originally intended for a nuclear power plant (i/o a camp), by that very fact they used forged documents to give it to him he could has simply STOPPED the building o the nuke plant! Nobody but me noticed this inconsistency.

No, this movie is just another platform for Laughlin to agitate for laws passed in an extra-Constitutional manner--in the movie by national initiatives and referenda (which would mean ZILCH at law, even this may be a good idea), or now (according to his site) having "televised citizens' hearings" to impeach Bush and Cheney (even though the Constitution is VERY specific about such impeachments must originate in the House before they are tried by the Senate).

But hey! It's just the US Constitution, that's all!

What's LAW and LEGAL PROCESS got to do with it?

Billy Jack movies are all a bunch of tree-hugging hippie crap! Goddamn hippies... where's Hitler when you need him? Heil Dubya! I'm gonna join the Marines, too, and kick some overseas hippie ass!

I might push my ideology a bit (especially when reviewing a film like this), but I am generally at pains to point out instances where a sane liberal might actually have made a valid point, in contrast to Laughlin's admittedly fun nutbaggery.


I'm not offended, but I do think there's little that is "lacking in both Mr. Laughlin and Mr. Begg."  
In fact, much of my broader point in the review is that whatever side of the aisle one is on, one is probably aghast at incidents like Kent State, and also aghast at attempts to blow it further out of proportion in support of some rather dubious political assertions.

I'm always amused when I read people making broad, bashing statements about liberals...or even conservatives, for that matter. Has it ever occured to anyone that, sometimes, liberals are correct, and sometimes conservatives are correct? The true wisdom (which would appear to be lacking in both Mr. Laughlin and Mr. Begg*) is in being able to discern the circumstanceds when one or the other stance should be supported.

I consider myself an 'open-minded' liberal. If I didn't know better, I'd almost think this movie was made by the so-called 'establishment' just to embarrass those who would disagree with them.

*I admit that I might be off-base here, as I don't really know much about the political or philosophical leanings of Mr. Begg (just what I read here), and I apologize in advance if I offend.

Why is it that liberals are thoroughly bent on revising history?  Oh yeah, I forgot - the only thing that validates their way of thinking is fantasy.

What a blessing that more Billy Jerk movies didn't ooze out.

Ok I was still a bouncer at the drive in when this second one came out and unlike the first one which was just bad, but strange bad,

this sequel was so offensive I actually did my rounds, changed the sign out front, caught some guys coming in the exit, hung out at the popcorn stand, and even had to brandish my 6 D cell flash light club like, perhaps they had been offended by the film also, to get them to leave.

I recall nothing more than the film actually made me angry with the syrup like doctrines it was trying to sell.

Nausea, is my best recollection.  Once ok, a second round? Yuck!

"Feed a fever and starve a cold, but buckshot must be sweated out!!" Wow!

Hilarious, dude.

the National Guard had been called in because THE RIOTERS had lotted and vandalized the town. The Guardsmen had faced down THE MOB --many of whom had been brought in FROM OTHER STATES-- but were ordered to fall back. When the RIOTERS saw this, some of them started throwing rocks and a few of the solders turned and fired, starting the incident.

These COMMUNIST-BACKED rioters kept the Viet Nam war going for years, just like their sons and daughters are doing in THIS war!

Yea, I didn't care for it either.  I really don't like the government too much at all.  I'm more in the middle.

This was a great read. I agrew with most of what he says, but disagree a little with the level of seriousness with which the movie is taken by both the reviewer and the commenters. Billy Jack and Trial of Billy Jack are camp classics, repeatedly unintentionally hilarious. Nothing more. They're politically weird to be sure, but so is just about any movie of its ilk from any era (whether it is conservative or liberal in tone) -- which is part of the fun.

My main reason for watching it was that the Late Master Bong Soo Han being in there. 

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I'm utterly amazed that a movie I watched AT THE THEATER more times than I've seen any other movie in history (8 if I recall correctly in my old age) is so deplored.  It was a great and classic flick!  Enjoyable for what it was.  I have been looking for Billy Jack Goes to Washington and have never found it.

So before anyone labels me as a liberal, I voted for Richard Nixon the first time I could vote (and hey, McGovern?  Endorsed by the Viet Cong for President?  While my Dad was serving in the 1st Air CAV and 101st Airborne and I was getting ready to go?)

I served as a conservative servant of the people for many years and know that the power of government is not benign.  Hey, was the movie full of ideologically unworkable mush?  Yep.  Was it great anyway?  Yep.

And for those who don't know, there are only 4 anthrax programs in the entire world.  US, Russia, China, Iraq.  Yep, only 4.  Army taught me that.  Multi-million dollar milling machines, stuff ground to one micron, surficant that we'd never seen before, 6 vials of white powder delivered to Mohammed Ata in Bulgaria by an Iraqi diplomate, that was a strain we sold to Iran in 1956 for research.  Yep.  Another brief case full of the stuff tracked from the Middle East that some moron courier earned himself a Darwin award for opening when we found his dead body in his cabin in the Panama Canal.  Yep.  So our Capitol was hit with Iraqi anthrax.  Yep, the FBI are morons, but what else is new?  So we are in Iraq justifiably.

Remember that the power of government is not benign.  That is one of those clear lessons I learned from years of serving in the legislative branch, so no, I was never a faceless bureaucrat.  They serve in alphabet agencies.

So, enjoy Billy Jack for what it is, a big-guy/little-guy saga where the little guy sort of wins.  Delores had a head full of mush, probably from smoking too much of something.  A friend asked why one of my college professors loved the 60s so much and were they really so great.  I told him, "Nope, but Dr. xxxx wouldn't know because he was high the whole time."  Enjoy.  You don't have to be a liberal to enjoy Billy Jack. 

Got any proof for your claims? Links? Just curious.

TOBJ is overlong but it has some good moments. Big Wet, as for why the US took Iraq under Saddam---he was a murderer of over a million and a half people and in 1994 (three years after Desert Storm) he tried to reinvade but Clinton stopped him cold (this invasion attempt of Saddam's is mentioned in the 2008 New York Times Almanac in the Kuwait section).

I didn't know hippies were still such a hot topic in the U.S.

One thing I think people should keep in mind about Billy Jack movies is that those are propaganda movies. Billy Jack's in the same league as The Green Berets, Red Nightmare and The Fall of Berlin. Thus, its biased depiction of actual events is partly intentional and expectable. On the other hand, propaganda movies made by ham-fisted people tend to be exceptionnaly bad. Every filmaker can't be as talented as Eisenstein.

This is just another one of those  idiotic peices of liberal filmatic crap during the 80s and listening to that TOM LUAGHLIN whine after his BILLY JACK GOSE TO WASHINGTON i mean he cant ever get over what a putrid actor he is

Alas, this movie does not hold up well to the test of time and is quite dated in so many ways. But if you were a teenager in 1974, like myself and four of my friends, you would think very differently about it's legacy. It was a powerful statement about a world that we were just beginning to understand. The memory of Kent State, and the spectra of Vietnam were with us back then all the time. Many young people flocked to the local theater to see this movie and spoke about it a great deal. In today's world of 2011, this movie appears to be a campy, self absorbed pile of film trash. I did find the review entertaining and would not recommend this movie to anybody, but in 1974 I would have paid for your ticket.

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Ole Tom was a mean looking SOB, but his Kung Fu was laughable by Lee, Van Damm, and Jet standards.  He could barely get that booted foot up there to some rednecks jaw...  But he was Billa by God...