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Title: Old vs. New: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Astro Jones on November 27, 2006, 01:36:23 PM
The old Battlestar was so full of the cheese that made is fantastic, but what about the new Battlestar? I personally love it, but I'm curious as to what other people think. Boomer's now a Cylon and Starbuck is a woman.... Its defiantly not your parents Battlestar.


Title: Re: Old vs. New: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Him on November 27, 2006, 01:59:07 PM
I don't like the new Battlestar Galactica.

The original version may seem like cheese now, but it was cutting edge back in the late 70s. It was on a major network and got good ratings. It was  a fun show with great characters.

This new version took all the fun out of the original and replaced with pretentious melodrama. Why are the lights always off on board the Galactica? Why are the camera's constantly shaking and moving around? Why are the characters whipsering to one another rather than talking normally? Why do the Cylons look like people? Is that skinny blond chick supposed to be attractive?

The new BSG is very, very dull.


Title: Re: Old vs. New: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Ed, Ego and Superego on November 27, 2006, 02:15:37 PM
I like both now, but the 10 year old me would not at all like the new version.   I religously watched the 70's one as a kid.
-Ee


Title: Re: Old vs. New: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: trekgeezer on November 27, 2006, 04:15:22 PM
The two shouldn't even be compared. Edward James Olmos said before the BSG mini series that die hard fans of the old 70's show shouldn't even watch it because it was so different.

I like both, the old for nostalgia (sorry, but the only thing special about it was the SFX) it was a typical 70's adventure series with the wise old guy, the handsome straight arrow hero, and the wise cracking ladies man. The new one I like, because it's dark and gritty, like the end of the human race would actually be.

The old show was the most expensive show made up to that time and was cancelled because of the cost. The ratings were always good.

By the way, the new show moves to Sunday nights in January.


Title: Re: Old vs. New: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Andrew on November 27, 2006, 05:38:16 PM
Welcome to the board, Astro Jones.

I liked the original "Battlestar Galactica" and have gotten into the new series as well.  In fact, the new BSG is the only show I ever watch.  What does appeal to me is the slowly diminishing pool of resources.  Sometimes the social drama that unfolds between the characters is a bit contrived, but I have liked seeing space combat between advanced races being short and brutal.


Title: Re: Old vs. New: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: raj on November 27, 2006, 05:47:55 PM
I like the new show.  Watched the old one when it came out, and even then I could appreciate its cheese factor (plus no annoying Twiki robot).
The new series is in the mold of Babylon 5 and I think it is science fiction at its best:  It is about the human condition -- how to settle conflicts, determine what it means to be human, etc. And while the milieu is important, really the story could be rewritten to be today or at anytime in the past.


Title: Re: Old vs. New: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Andrew on November 27, 2006, 06:13:16 PM
I like the new show.  Watched the old one when it came out, and even then I could appreciate its cheese factor (plus no annoying Twiki robot).
The new series is in the mold of Babylon 5 and I think it is science fiction at its best:  It is about the human condition -- how to settle conflicts, determine what it means to be human, etc. And while the milieu is important, really the story could be rewritten to be today or at anytime in the past.

Ah, Twiki is from "Buck Rogers."  You must remember, "Beda-beda-beda!  How's it goin', Buck?"  The robotic dog from the original Battlestar was called a daggit (or something) and named "Muffit" (again, or something).


Title: Re: Old vs. New: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Him on November 27, 2006, 07:17:33 PM
I like the new show.  Watched the old one when it came out, and even then I could appreciate its cheese factor (plus no annoying Twiki robot).
The new series is in the mold of Babylon 5 and I think it is science fiction at its best:  It is about the human condition -- how to settle conflicts, determine what it means to be human, etc. And while the milieu is important, really the story could be rewritten to be today or at anytime in the past.

Science fiction is supposed to be about the effect of technology on society. Sci-fi is a genre that evolved as a result of the industrial revolution.


Title: Re: Old vs. New: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: trekgeezer on November 27, 2006, 07:30:34 PM
Ah, Twiki is from "Buck Rogers."  You must remember, "Beda-beda-beda!  How's it goin', Buck?"  The robotic dog from the original Battlestar was called a daggit (or something) and named "Muffit" (again, or something).

Yeah, they could never with the Muffet character now, it was actually a chimp in a suit. I also noticed on the new BSG that the kid Boxie only made it into the mini series and I think the first regular episode.


Title: Re: Old vs. New: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Shadow on November 27, 2006, 09:59:42 PM
I love the new series, but agree that it is the polar opposite compared to the original. I remember watching the original faithfully when it first aired, and I still enjoy it - I even bought the DVD's, but I'll still make room for the new one.


Title: Re: Old vs. New: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Captain Tars Tarkas on November 28, 2006, 03:01:58 AM
The new one is the best show on TV, one of the few shows I still watch.


Title: Re: Old vs. New: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Jack on November 28, 2006, 08:53:02 AM
I absolutely love the old Battlestar.  Yeah it's cheesy, but it's just absolutely perfect in my opinion.  I remember when I was  a little kid, we'd drive into town to my Grandma's house and watch it, since we didn't get  that channel out in the country where we lived.  Never got into the new one at all, it's like the Jerry Springer show with special effects.  If that's all that's left of humanity after the big one, the galaxy would probably be a lot better off if the Cylons won.


Title: Re: Old vs. New: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Ash on November 28, 2006, 08:56:01 AM
I used to love the old version when I was a kid.
I've tried watching the new version a few times and I just can't seem to get into it.


Title: Re: Old vs. New: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Astro Jones on November 29, 2006, 12:22:00 AM
I like the new show.  Watched the old one when it came out, and even then I could appreciate its cheese factor (plus no annoying Twiki robot).
The new series is in the mold of Babylon 5 and I think it is science fiction at its best:  It is about the human condition -- how to settle conflicts, determine what it means to be human, etc. And while the milieu is important, really the story could be rewritten to be today or at anytime in the past.

Ah, Twiki is from "Buck Rogers."  You must remember, "Beda-beda-beda!  How's it goin', Buck?"  The robotic dog from the original Battlestar was called a daggit (or something) and named "Muffit" (again, or something).

I really disliked that dog... I mean, did anyone else think parts of him were held on with duct tape?


Title: Re: Old vs. New: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Astro Jones on November 29, 2006, 12:28:41 AM
Ah, Twiki is from "Buck Rogers."  You must remember, "Beda-beda-beda!  How's it goin', Buck?"  The robotic dog from the original Battlestar was called a daggit (or something) and named "Muffit" (again, or something).

Yeah, they could never with the Muffet character now, it was actually a chimp in a suit. I also noticed on the new BSG that the kid Boxie only made it into the mini series and I think the first regular episode.

Boxie had an awsome part in the new battlestar. He wasn't such a goodie goodie. I loved his answer to Tigh after he asked,  "Wheres your mom?" Boxie replied, "She's dead. Wheres yours?"


Title: Re: Old vs. New: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Zapranoth on November 30, 2006, 02:23:09 AM
Love the new BSG.  It's about the only thing I watch on TV.

The old show is good, for its time, but comparing it to the new show is just comparing apples and oranges...  they really aren't relevant to each other.

It's astonishing, though, that so much of what's on the SciFi channel is such drek -- such obligatorily T&A-chocked, hackneyed, churned-out drek -- and then *this* show is on.  Blows me away.    There's some serious heavyweight good acting on the show.  (Olmos!)



Title: Re: Old vs. New: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: BoyScoutKevin on November 30, 2006, 01:56:02 PM
As a faithful watch of the old "BG," I have no interest in seeing the new "BG."


Title: Re: Old vs. New: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Shadow on November 30, 2006, 07:35:03 PM
It's almost a pity that the show is a "re-imagining" as aside from some of the characters, ship designs and the basic premise, the new show is nothing like the old one whatsoever. Sometimes I think that Ron Moore should have instituted a few more changes and made the show completely original and unrelated to the old one. Either that or made it a continuation of the old one, which I believe was the course the Bryan Singer version was going to take.

What do people think about the proposed prequel/spinoff, "Caprica." Personally, I am somewhat dubious on the idea.


Title: Re: Old vs. New: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Andrew on November 30, 2006, 08:07:02 PM
The general setting for BSG gives you a great, desperate feeling.  Suddenly, a multi-world civilization is destroyed and the survivors cast adrift, hoping to escape a powerful enemy and find somewhere to live, because starships need maintenance.

A series set in the BSG universe, during the original war between the cylons and humans, could be interesting. 


Title: Re: Old vs. New: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Fearless Freep on November 30, 2006, 11:43:53 PM
I can't watch the new one for more than a few minutes without laughing (or gatting motion sick....good grief, what's with the cameras...that epilieptic-cam was annoying enough on those TV cop dramas but it's just old now).  Plus it awlays reminds me of Liz's review of "Outland" (http://twtd.bluemountains.net.au/Rick/outland.htm)

Quote
"The company-issued space helmets are rather interestingly designed, too: they all have a row of small lights lining the inside of the face-plate! Pretty, but hardly practical. (Don’t get what I mean? Try this trick: when you’re driving one night, turn your headlights off, and your internal lights on…. Now you’ve got it!)"


Remember that next time you see someone in one of those space helmets with the interior lighting

Plus all the anachornisms stand out pretty glaring.  I guess it's supposed to make it look more familar but it's just breaks the attention.  "We blew all our budget on shaky-cg-cam so we bought our costumes of the rack and dressed the set from stuff in our garage"

Bah...a show full of cliches and bad ideas that thinks it's so clever and takes itself oh so seriously



Title: Re: Old vs. New: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: trekgeezer on December 01, 2006, 07:53:32 AM
Andrew, they are working on a pilot for a new series called Caprica which takes place 50 years before the events in Galactica. It is supposed to be a planet bound drama that deals with the creation of the cylons.  Interestingly  one of the families in the new show will be the Adamas and I was wondering who they will get to play Eddie Olmos's character as a teenager.


Freep, as far as the inwardly lit space helmets, every modern space based program or movie has those. Actors like for their faces to be seen.


Title: Re: Old vs. New: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Famous Mortimer on January 12, 2007, 02:16:46 PM
I was bored to tears by the old version. Horses for courses, I suppose.

The camera isn't as bad as people have made it out to be, I think, and it's a proper adult, interesting drama with great characters and a fascinating storyline.


Title: Re: Old vs. New: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: JaseSF on January 12, 2007, 04:17:02 PM
I greatly prefer the classic space opera BSG which indeed was a fun, light-hearted series. This new series, like most of today's TV is dreadfully serious and hard edge seemingly all the time. It's not so much that they do a bad job of it. It's just I'm tired of dark, gritty angst filled shows, comics, etc.. With BSG and all space opera really, I want that fun element.

When it comes to new series though. For me nothing beats the new "Doctor Who" and truthfully very little beats the old "Doctor Who" too.


Title: Re: Old vs. New: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Andrew on January 12, 2007, 05:14:14 PM
I greatly prefer the classic space opera BSG which indeed was a fun, light-hearted series. This new series, like most of today's TV is dreadfully serious and hard edge seemingly all the time. It's not so much that they do a bad job of it. It's just I'm tired of dark, gritty angst filled shows, comics, etc.. With BSG and all space opera really, I want that fun element.

When it comes to new series though. For me nothing beats the new "Doctor Who" and truthfully very little beats the old "Doctor Who" too.

You must be talking about Tom Baker as the Doctor.  He was always my favorite - animated, a bit eccentric in his dress and grooming, and always very calm.  In fact, I remember that when he got agitated I was interested, because whatever it was had to be really important. 

Um, jellybabies?


Title: Re: Old vs. New: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: JaseSF on January 12, 2007, 07:19:26 PM
I've yet to see a version of "Doctor Who" I didn't like.  But then I'm huge on classic British Sci-Fi like Quatermass, Trollenberg Terror, Village of the Damned, X the Unknown, etc.. I'll never get enough of that style of storytelling.


Title: Re: Old vs. New: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Dennis on January 13, 2007, 03:01:03 AM
I watched every episode of the original series and enjoyed each minute of them, liked the SFX, realized that the science was kind of weak but it's a sci-fi show so I didn't expect more, never did find the Cylons particularly menacing but overall I thought it was a good effort. I was a little put out when it was canceled.
The new version addresses all of this and is a good bit darker, which is as it should be, and the Cylons in this series are genuinely terrifying.


Title: Re: Old vs. New: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Shadow on January 13, 2007, 12:52:46 PM
I am really beginning to think that as a species, the Cylons are inherently insane. They don't know what the hell they want to do. First they wipe out the 12 colonies and pursue the fleet in hopes of annihilating it, then change their minds and cease their occupation of the colonies and say that the two races will just go their seperate ways. Then they're back to occupy New Caprica before contemplating nuking it as they abandon it. Now they want to find Earth and make it their new home? What do they plan on doing with any Humans they might find there? Enslave them? Obliterate them? These people/toasters are seriously unstable. If ever there was a case of a species' technological abilities being far in advance of their social development, it's the Cylons. Very scary.


Title: Re: Old vs. New: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Famous Mortimer on January 15, 2007, 12:00:48 PM
I am really beginning to think that as a species, the Cylons are inherently insane. They don't know what the hell they want to do. First they wipe out the 12 colonies and pursue the fleet in hopes of annihilating it, then change their minds and cease their occupation of the colonies and say that the two races will just go their seperate ways. Then they're back to occupy New Caprica before contemplating nuking it as they abandon it. Now they want to find Earth and make it their new home? What do they plan on doing with any Humans they might find there? Enslave them? Obliterate them? These people/toasters are seriously unstable. If ever there was a case of a species' technological abilities being far in advance of their social development, it's the Cylons. Very scary.
I completely agree, and think that's a pretty interesting view of them. It's showing, for one of the very few times in literature / TV of this sort, that the invading "alien" race isn't a monolithic thing but has all sorts of debates and doubts running through it.

I'd say there are plenty of TV sci-fi that's not dark / bleak, the Star Treks and Stargates are pretty light in their tone, most of the time. And there's "Doctor Who" too (not so much of a fan of "Torchwood", don't know how many people in the US are into it yet).


Title: Re: Old vs. New: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: JaseSF on January 15, 2007, 05:02:51 PM
For me personally, the New BSG was no fun so I lost interest and stopped watching it.  That's probably not the case for others but it was for me.


Title: Re: Old vs. New: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Shadow on January 15, 2007, 07:05:21 PM
I'd say there are plenty of TV sci-fi that's not dark / bleak, the Star Treks and Stargates are pretty light in their tone, most of the time. And there's "Doctor Who" too (not so much of a fan of "Torchwood", don't know how many people in the US are into it yet).

I enjoyed Torchwood, but I would not place it in my all time favorites (like Doctor Who). It had its good moments and bad ones. Then there was that whacked out final episode that almost bordered on a Kaiju film. That really took me by surprise, which I suppose is a good thing.