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You want obscure B-movies?

CHECK OUT THIS SITE (http://www.revengeismydestiny.com/)

I've surfed around this guy's site and from what I can tell...he seems like he's the real deal.

You want f*cked up movies that none of us have ever heard of?...he can get them.
Numerous genres such as, Nazi Nasties, Celebrity Sleaze and Hicksploitation."

Skaboi said that we are dangerous to his wallet.
This other site might be just as dangerous!
(and they've been in business for almost 10 years)

Scott...you might want to check out their Biker section.    :teddyr:
 
Check out his site and let me know what you think.

STILL no Dance of the Dwarfs on DVD

yeah that place is cool, they've had some titles I've been looking for like Lady Exterimnator, my friend ordered from them though and said it takes awhile. Some of those movies you can find an official release of though that's way cheaper.

A James Batman movie! This site is a gold mine. Thank you Ash :thumbup: :thumbup:

www.videoscreams.com

Yeah, this guy is awesome, and he's a one person operation from what I've heard of him.  I'm planning an order from there after christmas, I need to get my hands on his translated International Guerillas.

Another one of these sites that I hear from periodically is http://www.digitalconquestdvd.com/

I haven't tried them out, though.
These DVD-R thingies tend to be kind of expensive for what you get, and I'm not sure whether it's legal.

most bootlegging sites are legal cause of The Berne Act

also forgot all about this guy too, he has some cool stuff
http://www.stumpydisks.com/

This is a common misconception.  From what I have seen, the belief is that the Bernie Convention allows the distribution of a film if it has not been released in a country.  In fact, the treaty operates the opposite way.  What it amounts to is countries stating that they will respect and protect the copyrights that are held in other treaty countries.

Okay, so I'm a little confused now.  From my read of the Berne Convention here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Literary_and_Artistic_Works) and here (http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92appii.html), I don't see how this makes bootlegging LEGAL.

IANAL, but it seems to me that what the Berne Convention does is:

(1) Provide a mechanism by which countries honor the copyrights of other signatory countries, and
(2) Protect copyrighted works for a specific period of time, the time which depends on the type of work (written vs photographic vs cinematographic).

Your specific use of the term "bootleg' leads me to assume you are talking about the copying and selling of PROTECTED works (ie, not past time of protection or not in the Public Domain), so how does this convention make bootlegging legal?

The term I've been seeing used, is "Second Generation" transfers. :wink:

I ordered  Al Adamson"s SATAN's SADISTS with Russ Tamblyn ,the great I DRINK YOUR BLOOD, and the CRAMPS-LIVE at NAPA VALLY MENTAL INSTITUTION (which had loads of Cramps videos included on it!) from Shocking a few years back.Ordered a catalog through the now defunct Psychotronic video Magazine(rip). GREAT stuff!And the print catalog is fun to read as well!

I just use the term bootleg to mean 2nd (or anything above) generation copy. Revok, Vomit Bag Video, and Stumpy have been in business for years and the Berne Act has kept them safe...not unless they really are breaking the law and just have never been caught yet
http://www.revok.com/faq.html
http://www.stumpydisks.com/legal.html
http://www.vomitbagvideo.com/page1name.html (scroll down the bottom to the FAQ section, it mentions the Berne Act)

Those websites are entirely wrong.  The opposite is true.  The Berne Convention is an agreement between nations that a copyrighted work in one nation will be considered a copyrighted work in another.  Before the United States became a member, you could do what they are saying.  Once the United States agreed to the terms of the Berne Convention, it became a breach of copyright if you distributed a film without authorization (providing that it was copyrighted in another nation that had signed the Berne Convention).

As I said, this is a common misconception.  In all honesty, it is because the websites have not done any research.  They continue to operate, because quite often the copyright holders cannot go chasing small time gray market pirates all over the globe.  Also, I am sure some copyright holders and distributors appreciate the gray market, as it "gets the word" out about a film and helps make an official release profitable.  (I have serious doubts the RIAA or MPAA believe in that idea.)

References

The entire Berne Convention:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/treaties/berne/overview.html

Wikipedia's entry, which is easy to understand:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Literary_and_Artistic_Works

A number of countries have signed Berne, but their enforcement is a laugh.  Just look at the stuff that comes from S. Korea, China, and India.  Copyright infractions occur on a large scale.  On the other hand, I doubt that some factory in China is turning out 1000 pirate DVDs of "Rock 'n' Roll Nightmare" every day.

wow, yeah I see they're definitley breaking copyright laws now. Most of the movies these people bootleg are so obscure that whoever owns the copyright for the movie probably forgot the movie exists (or regrets making those movies, there's a reason some of them are THAT obscure haha) so I guess that's why they get away with it for so long. The way the bootleggers explain the law sounds too good to be true as if starting a DVD company can be done overnight.

Yea, there are definately some masterpieces on that page. About the bootlegging of these particuliar titles I not against it. Copyright laws are made to promote creativity, and free enterprise, and in this case the continuing distribution of these desired products. It is not designed for films to be buried or hidden from the public, so if they have forgotten about, or are ashamed of, or the rights are in dispute then let those who have copies make a couple dollars by getting them to the public till the owners step forward and provide access for the public with their copyrighted idea.

Once and idea is born it belongs to the world. A patent or copyright is only an insentive to develope and distribute it to the public which also helps the economic growth of a nation.  This law is in place to make it worthwhile for the inventor/artist who puts time and effort into something.

They might want to hold on to it for a little while till word gets out, but then they should deliver. Many of these films have been out of circulation for decades. The laws give way to much time for those who just bury or sit on their inventions or other creative works.

(If they aren't going to do anything with it then they really don't have rights over it. Just my opinion of course.)

yea I'm with you on this one. I got a buddy that made copies of Toxic Zombies. Suddenly he gets an email from some company called Jeff Films that apparently owned the rights. Turns out this company made horrible DVDs of the flick (even worse than a faded VHS) and to top it off their DVDs have been out of print for years as if they made 10 DVDs and quit. Bad Ronald was another flick my buddy made copies of. Turns out Warner Brothers owned the rights for years and has never done anything with it. The only way to get that movie legitimatley is by looking for an extinct  overpriced VHS now. It's a real shame. If these companies actually made use of their copyright ownership, we'd have a perfect world.