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Title: ROBOCOP
Post by: Ryanjvs.godzilla on December 19, 2006, 09:58:25 PM
Which one is the best? In my opinion it's the second because that little kid is a pretty cool villian


Title: Re: ROBOCOP
Post by: Andrew on December 19, 2006, 11:05:34 PM
I like the original the best, but the second is not too hard to watch.  The scenes of the various failed experiments is pretty darn amusing.  Making the villain some sort of bizarre Max Headroom killer robot was entertaining at times too.


Title: Re: ROBOCOP
Post by: Ryanjvs.godzilla on December 19, 2006, 11:46:58 PM
I like the original the best, but the second is not too hard to watch.  The scenes of the various failed experiments is pretty darn amusing.  Making the villain some sort of bizarre Max Headroom killer robot was entertaining at times too.

Yeah plus in all three movies the commercials are amusing as well. And the gameshow were that guy says "ill buy that for a dollar." Yeah those failed robots attempts I cant stop laughing.


Title: Re: ROBOCOP
Post by: Dr. Whom on December 20, 2006, 03:58:32 AM
The first absolutely rocks! The failed test with the ED 209 in the boardroom is a classic. Plus the idea of big corporations actually owning the police so they can't be arrested is something woth bearing in mind.

That being said, there are a lot worse movies than Robocop 2


Title: Re: ROBOCOP
Post by: akiratubo on December 20, 2006, 05:38:33 AM
RoboCop is the best.  I had never seen anything like it at the time and I still haven't, really.  I consider it to be a near-perfect film.

RoboCop 2 is much more of a standard "movie" than RoboCop but it is very enjoyable.  I think the cast and crew were having a pretty good time, too.  Had Basil Poledouris done the score, it would have been improved a hundredfold, though Leonard Rosenman's music isn't bad.  I'm glad they spent at least a token effort to deal with the lingering bits of Murphy's former life.  RoboCop 2 was also one of the last really violent movies with really twisted and evil villains to come out before things got more sanitized and PC during the 90s.

I want to like RoboCop 3, and I'm glad it was made, but it doesn't stack up to 1 and 2.  If it was just some movie I stumbled across while channel surfing, I'd probably like it more than I do.


Title: Re: ROBOCOP
Post by: Yaddo 42 on December 20, 2006, 06:01:28 AM
The first one. The satire is the sharpest and the story, action, violence, and acting are the best of the series.

Wasn't "I'll buy that for a dollar!" from a sitcom rather than a game show. Some of tried to adopt that as a catchphrase in school, it didn't stick.

I love how the support for the Ed 209 program dealt with that it would be a profitable production line due to the supply and maintenance contracts and Third World military sales, regardless of whether the product actually worked as it was supposed to.


Title: Re: ROBOCOP
Post by: Ash on December 20, 2006, 06:11:25 AM
Definitely the first Robocop.
I want one of those huge rifles they blow cars up with in that movie.

And it's always funny to hear Kurtwood Smith as Boddicker say, "Just gimme my f*ckin' phone call." and spit blood on the police forms.  (That's the only line I can ever remember from the movie)
That guy can always be counted on to play a real jerk.


Title: Re: ROBOCOP
Post by: Doc Daneeka on December 20, 2006, 07:21:43 AM
I heard from someone he needs a sound board, and I agree. Does anyone here have flash?

Now the Robocop trilogy have their strengths, for Robocop 1, the strength was plot, in two, action, and in three, theme. The best is probably Robocop 1, my personal favorite is Robocop 2.


Title: Re: ROBOCOP
Post by: trekgeezer on December 20, 2006, 08:12:30 AM
I'd rate them in the order they were made. Robocop was something different when it came out (The same year as Predator, which was also something different).

I think the third one is underrated. It sat in the can for almost three years because Orion went bankrupt.

I'm in a minority, but I actually liked the TV series. It was much more satirical than movies, I thought it was very funny.  I guess that's why most people don't like it, the violence was toned down a lot.  I loved the villians like Cray Z. Malardo and Pudd-face Morgan.  One of my favorites was when the women's rights activists kidnapped the Chairman of OCP and forced him to do housework.


Title: Re: ROBOCOP
Post by: Jack on December 20, 2006, 10:33:44 AM
The second one is my favorite.  It had a more interesting plot and the bad robocop was totally cool.  Hated the third one;  good grief, let's get rid of the satire and start preaching.  And make the main character a little kid.  Brilliant.


Title: Re: ROBOCOP
Post by: BeyondTheGrave on December 20, 2006, 10:54:14 AM
Robocop 2 is been my personal favorite since I was a little kid. Actually remember seeing in the thearter when I was 6-7. The first one I saw when I was older but Its still a great movie. The third I don't remember much. Have to see it again.

Useless fact: I had a serious crush on Nancy Allen Officer Lewis in the movie. Fun she was born here in New York City. Also I do remember when she was killed in three. I'm begininng to remember why I don't like it  :wink:


Title: Re: ROBOCOP
Post by: Ryanjvs.godzilla on December 20, 2006, 02:37:11 PM
I'd rate them in the order they were made. Robocop was something different when it came out (The same year as Predator, which was also something different).

I think the third one is underrated. It sat in the can for almost three years because Orion went bankrupt.

I'm in a minority, but I actually liked the TV series. It was much more satirical than movies, I thought it was very funny.  I guess that's why most people don't like it, the violence was toned down a lot.  I loved the villians like Cray Z. Malardo and Pudd-face Morgan.  One of my favorites was when the women's rights activists kidnapped the Chairman of OCP and forced him to do housework.

Never knew there was a TV series, was it a cartoon?


Title: Re: ROBOCOP
Post by: peter johnson on December 20, 2006, 03:49:23 PM
Oy!!
Don't get me started on Orion . . .
Go to the ROBOCHIC review here, if you haven't already . . .
peter bad memories/denny I coulda' been a contenduh


Title: Re: ROBOCOP
Post by: trekgeezer on December 20, 2006, 04:03:09 PM


Never knew there was a TV series, was it a cartoon?


No it was a live action show shot in Toronto. A Canadian actor named Richard Eden played Robocop/Murphy. It had different supporting characters (no Lewis) and Robo drove special tricked out Mustang.  It was really done for satire and at times could be quite campy, but I found really enjoyable. It lasted one season (94-95) in syndication.

A couple of interesting episodes were when Robo actually gets to work with his Dad played by Martin Milner.


Title: Re: ROBOCOP
Post by: Mr_Vindictive on December 20, 2006, 04:43:50 PM
Robocop is a classic in every sense of the word.  Everything about that film is never perfection, including Kurtwood Smith as Boddicker.  The film is one that I quote the most.

"b***hes Leave!"
"I'd Buy That For A Dollar!"

I also refer to any monsterous gas guzzling SUV I see on the highway as a 6000 SUX.  Hell, it's an American tradition!

Robocop 2 never worked as well as the original for me.  I hated the kid as the villian.  I did like the "new" ED-209 in it though.

The third is a guilty pleasure of mine.  It's extremely stupid, watered down in the violence/language department and has that annoying kid....but I just love something about it.  Maybe it is the Robocop VS. Ninja scenes.  I do wish that film hadn't killed Fred Dekker's career.


Title: Re: ROBOCOP
Post by: Ryanjvs.godzilla on December 20, 2006, 06:01:46 PM
Robocop is a classic in every sense of the word.  Everything about that film is never perfection, including Kurtwood Smith as Boddicker.  The film is one that I quote the most.

"b***hes Leave!"
"I'd Buy That For A Dollar!"

I also refer to any monsterous gas guzzling SUV I see on the highway as a 6000 SUX.  Hell, it's an American tradition!

Robocop 2 never worked as well as the original for me.  I hated the kid as the villian.  I did like the "new" ED-209 in it though.

The third is a guilty pleasure of mine.  It's extremely stupid, watered down in the violence/language department and has that annoying kid....but I just love something about it.  Maybe it is the Robocop VS. Ninja scenes.  I do wish that film hadn't killed Fred Dekker's career.

I can't stop laughing when robo cop starts flying. I mean it just looks so fake, which wouldnt suprise me in most movies, but this movie had a decent budget.


Title: Re: ROBOCOP
Post by: Yaddo 42 on December 21, 2006, 06:18:52 AM
There was a short-lived Robocop animated series in the 80s that aired on Fox according to Wikipedia. I think it was recycled as part of a syndicated package of Marvel Comics hero cartoons including the Fantastic Four and maybe Iron Man or Ghost Rider. I don't remember it from Fox, but remember it on our notoriously idiotic local independent station I b***h about sometimes on here.

There was another animated Robocop spinoff in the late 90s. I know little about it and barely remember it.


Title: Re: ROBOCOP
Post by: Mr_Vindictive on December 21, 2006, 09:07:17 AM
Weren't there also DTV sequels to Robocop?  I know I've seen them around Walmart.

http://imdb.com/title/tt0220008/

There's one!

I think there was more than just one, actually like two or three.  I'm much too lazy to look them up at the moment though.


Title: Re: ROBOCOP
Post by: Mr. DS on December 21, 2006, 12:21:35 PM
Robocop is probably the first ultra-violent movie I've ever seen.  Murphy's death scene is still in my opinion one of the most gory and brutal ever filmed. 

Theres been a lot of talk on this topic about "I'd buy that for a dollar".  Pure classic of a line.  Its one of those things where I'm not sure why its funny but it just is.  That guy reminds me of Benny Hill.  Also the quote from him where he says to the two girls "Can I have you both".   

The commercials are great also in that movie.  Nukem and the "you choose the heart" commercial make me cry with laughter. 


Title: Re: ROBOCOP
Post by: Neville on December 21, 2006, 12:50:06 PM
When I first watched the first "RoboCop" I was too traumatised to think properly. Repeated viewings have showed that together with the first "Terminator" this may easily one of the best American sci-fi movies of the entire 80s. It has everything! The satiric aspects are nothing but visionary, the overblown violence still packs a punch (I always close my eyes when one of the bad guys meets the acid tank), and I just love the filmmaking and the dialogues. Just notice how absolutely nothing is gratuitous, from the camera movements or every single word. Amazing.

"RoboCop II" is a worthy sequel, but I'm afraid Irvin Kershner lacked the anarchic mindset of Paul Verhoeven. In his hands, some of the violence strucks me as too cartoonish or unnecesary, as if he was trying too hard to be nasty without exactly understanding why the film needs to be violent in the first place. But at least the story is good, Robo is given some nice extra character development, and the action is sattisfying.

"RoboCop III"... What can I say? Why did these people kill the franchise? Watching the film still makes me cringe. The story is not bad, the B-movie touches are charming, some satire actually works, like the OCP going bankrupt... but almost every scene cries for a more adult approach. Where has the violence gone? Why is RoboCop delivering Ahnuld-like one-liners? And what is that supposedly cute kid doing there?

I tried hard to watch and like the TV series (the real action one, not the animated), but it didn't work for me, as it seems to follow the way of "RoboCop III" in dumbing down and becoming children-friendly.

I'm told there's another short TV series, called "Prime directives", that tried too late to return to the roots of the franchise, but I still have to see it, and that's not happening anytime soon.


Title: Re: ROBOCOP
Post by: BeyondTheGrave on December 21, 2006, 02:02:47 PM
I think what happened to Robocop 3 is same thing happened to Ghostbusters 2, It became easliy marketable to kids therefore it had to be the movies had to be stripped down in sense. I remember having the toys for Robocop and Ghostbusters around when their sequels came out as well as their TV/cartoon series.


Title: Re: ROBOCOP
Post by: Mr_Vindictive on December 21, 2006, 04:59:22 PM
I think what happened to Robocop 3 is same thing happened to Ghostbusters 2, It became easliy marketable to kids therefore it had to be the movies had to be stripped down in sense. I remember having the toys for Robocop and Ghostbusters around when their sequels came out as well as their TV/cartoon series.


Same here.  I also had the Robocop 3 video game for the Super Nintendo.  Quite possibly the worst game I've ever played.

Talking about toys related to b-movies....I also had some Toxic Avenger toys from when that became a Saturday morning TV show.  Wish I still had those.


Title: Re: ROBOCOP
Post by: Neville on December 21, 2006, 05:06:23 PM

Same here.  I also had the Robocop 3 video game for the Super Nintendo.  Quite possibly the worst game I've ever played.


It wasn't that bad. Just too darn difficult. And it even fell short in that department, if you compare it to those Super star Wars titles.


Title: Re: ROBOCOP
Post by: Andrew on December 21, 2006, 06:43:52 PM
I think what happened to Robocop 3 is same thing happened to Ghostbusters 2, It became easliy marketable to kids therefore it had to be the movies had to be stripped down in sense. I remember having the toys for Robocop and Ghostbusters around when their sequels came out as well as their TV/cartoon series.

That is a really good point.  There have been a number of movies that I have watched and realized that, rather than PG-13, they should have aimed for a movie that would receive an R rating.  Sadly, part of the "common sense" of marketing movies is that you can maximize profits by getting a PG-13 and widening your audience.


Title: Re: ROBOCOP
Post by: Mr_Vindictive on December 21, 2006, 08:33:54 PM

Same here.  I also had the Robocop 3 video game for the Super Nintendo.  Quite possibly the worst game I've ever played.


It wasn't that bad. Just too darn difficult. And it even fell short in that department, if you compare it to those Super star Wars titles.

Ha!  Hadn't thought about those Star Wars games in ages.  I had all three, with Return being my favorite.  They weren't too hard once you played through them a few dozen times.  :)


Title: Re: ROBOCOP
Post by: Neville on December 22, 2006, 03:45:17 AM
I didn't have a Super Famicon at the time, but I still play those games through emulators. I can't agree on the Star Wars games difficulty level, though. They have too many "sudden death" spots, specially "Super Empire Strikes Back". Darn yetis! I can't imagine playing them without savestates.

Back on topic, I heard of direct to video RoboCop films (4-6 I think), but I've always though they were just chapters from the TV series. Am I right?

And anyone here has seen the "Prime Directives" mini? I may give it a try after all.


Title: Re: ROBOCOP
Post by: trekgeezer on December 22, 2006, 08:08:05 AM
Weren't there also DTV sequels to Robocop?  I know I've seen them around Walmart.

[url]http://imdb.com/title/tt0220008/[/url]

There's one!

I think there was more than just one, actually like two or three.  I'm much too lazy to look them up at the moment though.



Back in 2000 there was a mini series (3 two hour movies) called Robocop: Prime Directives which starred Page Fletcher(HBO's The Hitchhiker) as Murphy/Robocop. In the second part Murphy's old partner John Cable (Maurice Dean Winti) s turned into RoboCable. They used the same suits that Peter Weller wore, they had scale one down for Fletcher and the other up for Wint. The RoboCable model was painted a dark charcoal color and had a gun inside each hip.

It is very clear they were made on the cheap (especially when they took off the helmets). Neither actor could navigate in the suits very well and in fact looked to stumbling around most of the time.



Title: Re: ROBOCOP
Post by: dean on December 22, 2006, 08:29:42 AM

Talking about toys related to b-movies....I also had some Toxic Avenger toys from when that became a Saturday morning TV show.  Wish I still had those.

I remember those, and always wanted a set, but had to settle for my friends one.

Recently I saw a Toxic Avenger figurine in stores, but it didn't have the same charm.  It was a new release figure in a series of Classic film monsters which included Darkman among them.  This one didn't have the oozing features that the older ones had [I think at least!]


Title: Re: ROBOCOP
Post by: Ryanjvs.godzilla on December 22, 2006, 01:38:43 PM

Same here.  I also had the Robocop 3 video game for the Super Nintendo.  Quite possibly the worst game I've ever played.


It wasn't that bad. Just too darn difficult. And it even fell short in that department, if you compare it to those Super star Wars titles.

Ha!  Hadn't thought about those Star Wars games in ages.  I had all three, with Return being my favorite.  They weren't too hard once you played through them a few dozen times.  :)

They were always pretty hard for me. Return of the jedi is the best out of the bunch. The stars games today are so easy compared to those.


Title: Re: ROBOCOP
Post by: Dennis on December 22, 2006, 11:54:03 PM
I would rate them in the order they were made, each one is fun to watch, love the commercials and the news anchors. My favorite line is "Drop your weapons or there will be.....trouble" Never knew there was a TV series, is it worth purchasing on DVD and is it even available?


Title: Re: ROBOCOP
Post by: Torgo on January 03, 2007, 11:25:31 PM
I would rate them in the order they were made, each one is fun to watch, love the commercials and the news anchors. My favorite line is "Drop your weapons or there will be.....trouble" Never knew there was a TV series, is it worth purchasing on DVD and is it even available?

I don't think that it was so much of a TV series as it was a few direct to TV/cable  movies that they did.

And they were awful BTW. Made Robop III look like Citizen Kain. 


Title: Re: ROBOCOP
Post by: Bill C. on January 04, 2007, 01:34:38 AM
The second and third theatrical films had some good ideas (and if I'm remembering them correctly the miniseries/TV-movies had one good idea--I think), but the execution was so very flawed.

More so Robocop 2, I suppose.  Which featured a powerful drug kingpin, Robocop himself getting totally wrecked and then turned into a corporate yes-man cop against his will, some angst in the form of a young boy who looked like Murphy's kid, and even Robocop 2 itself to some degree.  All of this stuff was in a movie directed by the guy who directed The Empire Strikes Back, for the love of God, and it should have been awesome, but instead it was largely...comical.  And yet even more misanthropic than the first film.  How do you pull that off?


Title: Re: ROBOCOP
Post by: sideorderofninjas on January 04, 2007, 01:57:37 AM

The original Frank Miller (sorry, I must drop my comic book geekiosity..) script for Robocop 2 has been adapted into a comic book a couple of years ago and is supposed to be better than the film version. 


Title: Re: ROBOCOP
Post by: Dr. Whom on January 04, 2007, 02:58:19 AM
Being a great Miller fan, I've often wondered about how much responsibilty he had for the finished product. I went to see Robocop 2 with the idea of 'great, a Frank Miller script' and came away disappointed


Title: Re: ROBOCOP
Post by: ulthar on January 04, 2007, 10:09:19 AM
I have to give my vote for the original ROBOCOP, but with the caveat that I've only seen ROBOCOP II on TV and have never seen III.  I'm not real big on sequels, especially of a masterpiece like ROBOCOP.  I'm in the (perhaps minority) camp that STAR WARS, ROBOCOP and a few others were lessened by 'extending' the story.

ROBOCOP is eminently quotable, and Kurtwood Smith's character and his acting, as mentioned, are examples of what I want in a Hollywood villain.  He did not have superpowers, he was just super-mean.  He did not keep coming and coming and coming - he got killed.  The ED failed demo scene is a beautiful work of art...man, when that thing did not stand down and everyone got out of the way, no one helped the guy, and after the fact it was just like "what happened to the PRODUCT," - great capture of corporate mindset.  There is a lot of rich nuance in ROBOCOP under the violent, action-ey exterior.

A couple of favorite lines:

"I'll buy that for a dollar."  (My wife and I say this all the time as an expression of agreement)
"Look at my FACE, DICK"  (Love the double entedre as well as Smith's inflection - that's about the only line in the movie he delivers with raw passion).


Title: Re: ROBOCOP
Post by: Torgo on January 04, 2007, 04:46:11 PM
the 1st Robocop is one of my favorite movies of all time.  A true bona fide classic in every sense of the word.  Be sure to watch the unrated version as MGM finally made it readily available in the trilogy box set.

The 2nd Robocop would have been just as good if they had used Frank Miller's original script for it in its entirety, but still, it certainly has its moments. The problem with the movie is that in the 1st film, the violence was offset with humor while in the 2nd movie the violence is just mean spirited and vicious which turned a lot of people off from the movie. 

The 3rd movie was pretty much unwatchable.  A sorry excuse to turn the franchise into a PG-13 family type film.

Suppoedly, Verhoeven was talking about doing a true sequel to Robocop with Peter Wellers returning, but that's since been scrapped.


Title: Re: ROBOCOP
Post by: joojoo on January 04, 2007, 07:18:18 PM
yea. its good.


Title: Re: ROBOCOP
Post by: Doc Daneeka on January 04, 2007, 07:20:48 PM
I think so too