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Yes, I have talked about bad films because of their unrealities and implausibilities.  But for this topic, I am talking about a film that really offends me and should NEVER be shown and I would suggest that every American boycott it.  And that film is Black Christmas.

Just what kind of twisted, sick and evil mind thought this up?  A horror film themed on Christmas at Christmas time?  That is so freaking WRONG!!!  Christmas is a time of joy and celebration, not a time of fear and paranoia.  Making a horror film like this is not right.  I ask all Americans not to see this film and never buy the DVD.  We should punish the criminal who made it and the investors who funded this film should spend time in a mental health facility.

We must send a clear message to Hollywood.  No horror films about Christmas at Christmas time.  BOYCOTT BLACK CHRISTMAS!!!

it's ironic that the guy that directed this movie happened to make the most popular christmas movie of all time too

Spike Lee's Drop Squad was a really bad idea.

Silent Night Deadly Night....that was a Christmas themed horror movie too and I recall plenty of people having your same reaction over it when it came out. It's just a movie, get over it.

No.  He's back!?

I thought the advent of this new board had scared him off!


Black Christmas is a classic.  I don't care for the idea of a remake, but it doesn't matter.  It'll pale in comparison to the original.

I do believe that alot of Americans are  AGAINST Christmas(or at least indiffernt to it) like Jews,Muslems,atheists or what have you. I do believe many religious rightwingers are against horror films. Nobody is ever going to see eye to eye on everything-and thats OK.Welcome to America!

What is wrong with you?? Black Christmas, at least to my knowledge does not defame Christmas AT ALL, just takes place during the season.

Silent Night Deadly Night is a bit different, but still is not offensive seeing as the killer is a guy in a Santa suit, not a guy in a Joseph of Nazareth suit or anything.

You gotta admit...it's a BRILLIANT marketing ploy! If you don't like it,you only bring MORE attention to it(publicity) by decring it. Oh...I see....you actually WANT people to see it! So your in on a publicity stunt via the web(like the BLAIR WITCH buzz) to promote it! OK! I'll help! HEY! BAN BLACK CHRISTMAS!!!C'MON!!! LET'S MAKE SIGNS !!!!

And here, when I read the post's subject, I thought about Sextette. (http://www.badmovies.org/movies/sextette/)

HEY!BAN SEXETTE!!!! CMON!! MAKE SIGNS!!!

Look, Black Christmas is more than just a movie, its a message.  Its a message from the the producers of it that say "Go out and kill innocent people on Christmas day."  Just like Jaws said "Kill all sharks.  They're our natural enemies"

Silent Night Deadly Night had a similar message. 

I was part of a cyberprotest against Silent Night Deadly Night.  We sent a letter to the producers of that film saying "Recall this movie, never show it again and never make another film of a similar theme.  Don't send an evil message about Christmas."  It was too bad they ignored it.

Oh yes....you are right! I was going to go see it but I was sure I would get the message that it's ok to kill people during Christmas time as you say.

I know that happened when I saw Silent Night Deadly Night back in the theaters...yeah...lots of people died by my hand on Christmas that year!

What makes this a great country is just this, everyone and every group is entitled to their own opinion and has a right to express it, so to quote a famous man whose name escapes me right now "I do not agree with a word you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say them." You go  WyreWizard.
  My own pick for the worst movie idea of all time would be Glen or Glenda, but then Ed wood always amuses me.

I tried to avoid posting in this thread, but alas, here goes.

Here's a BIG secret.  Are you ready?  You won't tell anybody, will you?  {whispers}:  We all already know it is wrong to kill people on ANY day.  We don't need HOLLYWOOD's messages in movies to help us understand that.

No one inclined to commit murder is influenced by a movie, and no one disinclined to do so will be persuaded to do so by watching a movie.  As usual, you seem to be taking the power of movies a little too seriously.

Now, here's the key point of my message:  I disagree with what you are saying, and I am a Christian that deplores the commercialization of Christmas.  That said, I can imagine to no connection between people's willingness to be evil to each other and the theme of a movie.  Murder existed long before motion pictures.

Thanks for trolling again, by the way.  It must be a fun game to see how much mud can be stirred up on a mostly friendly message board.

HAND.

Oh man, how ignorant can you be?  People have done things when influenced by movies.  I mean take for instance "Its a wonderful life."  Do you think that movie stopped any suicides?  I mean, there are no reports of this, but I'm sure it happened.

And what about the fear and paranoia generated by the movie Jaws?  How many innocent sharks were killed as the result of fear generated from that film?

There's another movie, I forget its name.  But in the film, a man kills his wife and turns up the A/C to fool investigators.  Well, some guy actually did that.  His actions didn't inspire the film, but rather was inspired by it.

And how about the Texas Chainsaw Massacre?  There are numerous murder cases where a chainsaw was the murder weapon.  A recent example of such was shown on AMW.

Don't underestimate the power of media, friend.

Texas Chainsaw Massacre was inspired by Ed Gein. 

Actually, a lot of copycat incidents aren't really because of movies but the news shows reporting
 them and how they blame movies for what happens.   Look at how so many school shootings there were a few years ago in a few months. 

The idea that accusing films because they inspire actions has to stop at some point. 
If not, the enire idea of personal responsibility better be thrown out. 

Since you called me ignorant, I am inclined to ask you your qualifications to comment with certainty about crime, its causes and its ramifications.  Because I come to this discussion from the point of view of one who has studied sociology and criminology as well as having spent numerous years as an ACTUAL crime scene investigator before it was hyped up for wannabe high school kids by CSI and Crossing Jordan.  I've testified as an expert witness in state and federal courts and if I do say so myself, I think I know my way around a murder investigation.  And it is my considered, professional opinion, that you don't know squat about what you are talking about.


People feared sharks before JAWS. You've brought this up before, but I'd like to see some REAL DATA that the number of shark killings actually increased in any statistically significant way after JAWS.  And by DATA, I don't mean some opinion piece in some unheard-of magazine or web site, I mean a referreed, peer reviewed scientific journal artical that outlines the methodology, results and conclusions of the study.  So, what's the citation supporting the assertion of increased shark killings?

Oh wait, speaking of your idea of data, allow me to requote:


So, you are fabricating stuff and claiming it as an authority.  A baseless, unsubstantiated "I'm sure it happened" is meaningless.


Another weasel word approach: "another move, I forget its name: and "some guy." Well, so what?  You are talking about a guy trying to fool the cops after committing a crime.  I doubt the idea to do that came from a movie. People have been trying to fool authorities for the several thousand years human civilization has existed.

The idea, the DESIRE to kill his wife can not be proven to have come from a movie.  Do you even know if THIS GUY saw THIS MOVIE and got his idea from that?  Or, are you creating a link between two unrelated events?

By the way, turning up the AC to fool investigators would do nothing.

All this is completely beside the point. The real worst idea for a movie EVER is: Giant bunnies attack small town in the desert. :teddyr:

No, this was actually preety creepy in my mind, they got those giant bunnies to look damn menacing.

Trust me, anything that's meant to be cute and innocent that ends up killing you is scary as hell, at least to me.

Back on topic, WW, whether or not a person used a method from a movie to kill someone, does that mean the movie itself convinced the person to kill, or just use THAT method of killing?

The worst idea in film history was for people to pay attention to Jessica Alba. Damn it, now she thinks she can act.

That would be almost tolerable compared to my thoughts. Are you ready? That darn Spice Girls film.

What with the wave of gun violence, they need to ban westerns. 
-Ed

I pray that you aren't serious.

Viktor, if you mean Ed, he is joking.  WyreWizard, on the other hand, is the sort that enjoys finding a completely happy and serene beehive, then smacking it with a stick.

I'm not a Christian, not a big devotee or opponent of Christmas, not a friend or enemy of Hollywood, and not about to commit holiday suicide with a chainsaw and turn up the A/C to hide my involvement.  In fact, I've even watched Thelma and Louise, and I don't even feel the need to get a sex change and drive off into the Grand Canyon shouting songs of sisterhood.  So maybe movies, to me, are just movies.

But will you please capitalize "American" next time you post?  That would be very friendly of you, and it would keep me from having to post again to ask you to please capitalize "American."

Thanks Knuckles.I f you had aKarma thing,I'd give you one. Actually, i watched the clip from SEXETTE review...and I am conviced..Black Christmas can in NO way beat that. It's still bugging me.

Is Wyrewizard the same person that hates nudity  :buggedout: from a few years back? 

If so then I get all GIGLI at the thought.  :bouncegiggle:

I can understand if your really into Christmas the movie title might bother you. I'm not even that into Christmas and the title is a bit of a downer even for me who would like to envision a bright Christmas. Not everyone is fasinated with Christmas, so we allow all opinions in a civil manner of course. No harm done.

If anyone goes to see the film let us know what you think of it. I'm a bit curious. It might actually be a movie that Wyrewizard can appreciate. Because I know nothing of the storyline. It might be a deeply theological film with a feel good ending after all the evil is over. Take a break and give the film a chance no matter what side you think your on.

 I believe the title was Night of the Lepus, at least that how it was advertised, then you would see a large black eye surrounded by fur, it was pretty creepy looking, never thought to look up what Lepus meant but then who would go to a movie titled night of the rabbit, other than Monty Python fans. I actually took my future wife to see this movie, took her to crappy movies like this for 2 years before we got married, just so she'd be aware of what she was getting into. We found the movie amusing, although I had to put up with you paid how much to see this class z p.o.s. comments. the high point in the movie for us was the sherriff's announcement at the drive in "There is a herd of killer rabbits on it's way here, this is not a joke." laughed pretty good about that remark. One thing I'd like to know, the number of takes to get the actor to say that with a straight face.

I will probably see Black Chistmas because it has my sweety, Michelle Trachtenberg, in it --
As I type this, I can peer around the 'fridge and see on the far wall a picture of me & her smooching from the time we worked together on "Wizard of Oz" --
I wish wish wish I'd been in "Night of The Lepus" . . .
peter johnson/denny crane

I kinda liked Spice World (although I'll deny it vehemently in public)

I can't understand why WyreWizard is this upset over a movie, I don't think that horror,slasher, sloberring monstrosity movies in general are Christmas movies, they certainly don't have Christmas themes, but the consensus here is that a movie that is set at Christmas time is a Christmas movie. I can go along with that, to paraphrase a chinese philosopher "A movie is like a finger pointed at the moon, only a fool would mistake the finger for the moon."
 Has anyone actually seen this movie?

Well, he got three pages of replies, so he got what he wanted. Attention. Here I go playing into it too.

Sheesh, you get knocked offline for few days again, and it gets weird again.

Boycotts of films rarely work these days, they either draw more free attention to the film (see the similarity, this is why I think WyreWizard is just seeking attention and not sincere), peter out  on their own, or rile up people to be contrary and see it to spite the protests. When local protesters picketed Brokeback Mountain, it almost made me want to see it to stick it to them, but they were forced to stand too far away to see what people were going to see anyway. Capote was playing at the theater at the same time and they didn't seem to mind it. Besides most film do their main business after it plays at the theater, so the real money will be made after the boycott has ended anyway.

I like The Ice Harvest, which is set at Christmas, but it's only tangently a holiday movie. I reminds me of lots of awful Christmases I've had over the years, so I like it. People do nasty stuff to each other in that movie, should we ban that one too? Never mind it isn't seen as much as it should be. How about Bad Santa? The man has anal sex with a heavyset woman in a dressing room while dressed as Santa! Think of the children!

Worst idea in film "hostory"? Let's keep it all in the family here. Bob Clark directed the original Black Christmas and A Christmas Story, as pointed out early on; but the man also directed both Baby Geniuses movies. There's my vote.

And guess we have an answer to my "any negative karma scores" question.

wait...this WyreWizard character was for reals?  :buggedout: I seriously thought this thread started out as a parody of extreme conservatives that always whine about a "War on Christmas" every year.

Yes and by modern standards it is a bit tame, though some parts of it are chilling.  Films such as "Christmas Evil" and "Silent Night, Deadly Night" are much worse, if you ask me.

I keep expecting WyreWizard to proclaim himself a troll who has fooled us all along.  Oh well.

My nomination is either the best or the worst.  I'm not really sure which.  It's a film called The Dragon Lives Again.  One of the many Bruce Lee clone cashins after his death. 

From IMDB: "The story follows Bruce Lee after he dies and ends up in Hell. Once there, he does the logical thing and opens a gym. After fending off the advances of the King Of Hell's naked wives, he discovers that the most evil people in Hell are attempting a takeover, so Bruce sets out to stop it. As if it wasn't weird enough, the evil people are: Zatoichi (the blind swordsman hero of Japanese film), James Bond, The Godfather, The Exorcist, Emmanuelle (the "heroine" of many European softcore porn films), Dracula, and, of course, Clint Eastwood (played by a Chinese guy). Aiding Bruce is The One-Armed Swordsman (hero of kung-fu films), Kain from the U.S. tv series, Kung-Fu (actually played by a Chinese guy this time), and Popeye the Sailor Man! Yes, Popeye the Sailor Man. He eats spinach and helps Bruce fight some mummies."

"Clint Eastwood" is really The Man With No Name from A Fistful of Dollars, et al. 

You can find this film in a DVD set of 4 Bruce Lee clone films.  I can't remember what the set is called, but I bought it just for this film and it was worth it. 

The worst film idea honestly is Bat p***y. http://www.dvdmaniacs.net/Features/deep_inside_bat_p***y.html I don't know why this movie exists, how this exists, and who it was suppose to exist for, it's unbelieveable, evey second of it. The idea of the movie was to have two extremely old ugly hillbillies with super thick southern accents talk nonsensically for 50 minutes while naked (and attempting sex apparently) and later having "Bat p***y" (another hillbilly) jump in and get naked with them...this somehow becomes the most hideous and worst attempt at a threesome (with everyone still talking nonsensically). For some reason Bat p***y rides on a big bouncy ball. It boggles the mind why anyone in the world would have ever thought of making such a movie...I keep asking myself "why would anyone in the universe film three ugly hillbillies naked laying on a bed talking stupidly for 50 minutes and have one of them called Bat p***y,Why, dear God WHY!?!"

You know...I was wondering the same thing.

The other day, a certain Badmovies.org regular (who shall not be named) and I had a few words about our good friend Mr. Wizard while chatting on instant Messenger.

Here's the brief transcript taken straight from my message archive:

ashthecat3 : makes you wonder if he really truly believes what he writes....or if he's purposely f**king with us
Anonymous : He's f**king with us
Anonymous There's no way he's that.......stupid
ashthecat3 : well...you never know with some people
Anonymous : True, true


Part of me thinks that he is indeed f*cking with us.
But because his threads are so well written, part of me thinks that he's actually serious.
Only he knows for sure.

We've had our share of trolls here on this forum for years but none like Mr. Wizard.
I like to think of him as a "high functioning" troll.   :teddyr:

NO! I'm sick and tired of you morons talking bad about this film, don't you see that when you watch this you are so obviously distracted by the general theme that you don't even consider the deeper meaning. For God's sake, just look at Eraserhead, Naked Lunch, Tetsuo, or anything of the sort! All those are very regarded as good films, so why not Bat p***y? Someone relly needs to acquire a taste for such deep films if you wish to truly appreciate them...

Notes to Self:

1. Must find copy of The Dragon Lives Again.

2. Must direct cheap lousy porn movie. If someone can get something like Bat p***y made, any stupid self-nauseating idea I might have is bound to appeal to some group of freaks out there who would be willing to pay to see it.

3. It's the fact that WyreWizard's posts are fairly well written that makes me think he's a put on. He seems to pop up after storing up a fresh batch of outrage over film illogic or boundary crossing (like this time) for a while. If he posted regularly, or derailed others' threads I guess he was a sincere crank. Are any of his topic ever positive or in praise of something he likes?

And no, I wasn't Ash's IM buddy.

You really mean direct and star, don't you?  :wink: Otherwise you'll be missing  good deal of the fun.

I just put this one on my Christmas list, I've got to see this one. :twirl: :twirl:

Now I can imagine most of that people in Hell having their arses grilled ( :hot: ). But Emmanuelle? All she did was some crazy bedroom antics, and it was in the 70s.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!  Man, you people give malice a new definition.  You all call me a troll.  Your attacks go BEYOND simple flaming.  But its short of a hate crime.

Anyways, that guy had seen that movie.  He even had a videotape of it.  He even discussed the idea of it to a friend.  If ya don't believe me, then check out the Discovery Channel's New Detectives.  They have the story I'm sure.

Yes, I know you people hate my guts.  I know you'd all like to see me hanged or worse.  But like it or not, I'll keep posting to this message board.  I'll keep tearing up the reality and plausibility mistakes that movies, tv shows and tv commercials make while you people continue living in your fantasy words in complete denial of reality.

I don't hate you Wyre...I don't think anyone else here does either.
We just question your motives.

Dude, you've got -10 karma....that's bad. 
By the way, I never voted against you...that's the other members' votes.  I chose to remain neutral and not vote at all.

Time to come clean.

You're a decent writer.
Why p**s everybody off?

It's cause you tick a lot of people off. In your previous posts you seemed to show a hate against escapism.

Again, did he get the idea from the movie, or just the method from the movie? Does it ever say? Most of us deny the theory that watching violent acts makes you violent (or at least actively violent)

And we don't care, I actually find your scientific explanations (as opposed to just saying "It can't be true becuz it dosn't exist" or some simple crap like that) kind of interesting. But what is this "complete denial of reality"? Are you honestly saying that although we enjoy these movies we believe they could actually happen? Look, this is even more flawed then your other assumption, even if you are right about movie triggering violent acts, I believe you'd already have to be pretty screwed up if a movie alters your perception of reality to such an extent.

Bah, this thread is ridiculous.

I just finished my psych degree and no professor ever contended movies make people violent. Violence has more to do with parental upbrining and social class. Most violence is done by gangs in ghettos that don't even bother with movies. There's also a huge correlation with alcohol and violence. Correlation is not necessarily causation, but if you're going to blame movies, why not blame alcohol first cause stats would come in handy there?

And what is this about "denying reality"? People find fun in b-movies because they KNOW it's so over-top and fake to begin with, you have to know and embrace reality before you can find the humor in challenging reality. So NO, I don't think anyone here is denying reality, especially the reality of somebody's lame attempt at being Sherlock. Reality is so overrated anyways. Why stop enjoying fantasy and movies, just so I could go and live a boring uncreative status-quo life? I'd rather be a b-movie junkie than torture myself trying to impress people with a so-called "realistic" life.

Ah. 

Well I for one am thankful for Wyrewizard's post.  That way the new members [of which there is quite a good new batch actually] can learn. 

WW pops up everynow and then, and occasionally makes an ok, but very contentious argument, and then dissappears for a while.  They'll be back though.  Very occasionally there is some good points there which leads you to realise that he/she is a crafty wizard, who isn't a total idiot, or at least I'd hope not.

But I wouldn't get too wound up by his cries of 'come on guys, stop being so mean'.

So yeah, zombiedudeman, these threads are ridiculous, but it is fun on occasion to vent a bit of online anger at wyrewizard for making an idiotic point.  I like the arguments that could be had from these posts, but when you're arguing against a brick wall of ignorance with no actual arguments other than 'I've head...' etc it does make it hard.

So don't let this chap stop actual intelligent discussions.  Media [in any form] and it's influence on people is a pretty contentious but pretty good discussion to have.   Especially subtle influences.

I remember when Need For Speed Underground first came out a while back my friends and I played it quite a bit, and I do remember driving home from his place down some back streets, and not realising for the first few seconds that I had floored it and got up to 80km/h in a 50 zone.  Fun, and it was safe, but the fact that I didn't really realise made me think to myself 'hang on a minute'.

My excuse was lack of sleep adding to me not paying attention, but to completely rule out the media's influence on someone is just as bad as saying that it will always cause trouble.

I suppose it's a combination of factors, rather than just the one.

Anyways, just an interesting bent to really get us off topic...

I go with the combo factor. A movie can give you an idea, but its still your responsability what you'll do with it.
I've learned lots of things from movies...but a lot of them, i woulden't do for love or money.
Not so for many troubles souls, sadly. But, i can't speak for them, just myself.

I can't believe this thread is still going.

Please make it stop.

As for my two cents, some idiot is always finding something to blame behavior on besides the person exhibiting it.

I suspect WW only posts occasionally here because in between he is probably stuck in arguments about some of the ridiculously unrealistic movies listed over at the IMDB.  I don't mean to promote another website, but honestly, you should see some of the implausible nonsense perpetrated on innocent imaginations in some of the movies listed there!  While providing a higher strike-rate here, it is a much smaller pool to fish in.  Just remember buddy, fish in it, don't sh*t in it.

And "Igor And The Lunatics" is the worst movie idea ever.

I've read the boards at IMDB, wow, is that place a collection of bad grammar and attitudes (without the wit to make it interesting) and worse ideas. Even if half of them are put-ons just letting loose on the gullible and ignorant it's still pretty ugly in there. Sometimes entertaining in a look at the animals sort of way, but even worse than the talkbacks at AICN.

Wow, that's really amazing!!!!  I have to watch these two movies back to back now.

Bob Clark was on Nick DeGuillio's radio show on WGN a couple of weeks ago. Pretty cool guy, who is still directing. But like I posted earlier, he also made the Baby Geniuses movies too.

He has said there and elsewhere that getting to make A Christmas Story was his reward after directing the first Porky's which was a huge unexpected hit. 

Mr. Carke also worked on CHILDREN SHOULDN'T PLAY with DEAD THINGS and DERANGED.(about ED GEIN aka EZRA COBB).

Gotta give Zombiedudeman a karma point for the Bat p***y post.    Sides... hurting...   oh, my.

Saw this movie after renting Street Trash, hoping for more no-budget gold, got no budget s**t.  This is absolutely a piece of crap, IGOR & CO. have no heart, jokes or imagination.  This is how NOT to make a cheap movie.  This I learned low-budget don't mean a good flick.

 Huh?  :question:

why the hell would you dig up this thread? a rush of anger swept over me when i saw it.

like it or hate it, black christmas is a good story with decent execution. when you think about it s**t like this was more or less unheard of in the 70's, commercially anyway, i enjoyed it for what it was. if you though the original was s**tty watch the re-make! with the exception of a few nice bloody ( but absolutley ludacris, character development is next to non-exsistent and people just start dying and no one cares, not even the people in the movie) kills the movie goes off in all these directions and just s**ts all over any potential that it may have had. all i have to say is billy is f-in jaundice and he has an equally crazy sister who i belive is the same actor in drag. its also one of those "is it over? wait not yet. is it over now? nope. how about now? wait for it..........ok. FINALLY!" and when it is over it ends so abruptly. i love special effects and appreciate certain ones when i see them, and that is what this movie had, some pretty cool FX and well........ thats about it.

Movies with bad ideas:

Baby Geniuses 1 and 2-  Title alone says it all.

Cannibal: The Musical- Granted, it's a favorite of mine, and very enjoyable.  But it sounds like a bad movie: A bunch of guys go on a trip, they eat each other while wasting time singing, dancing and building snowmen.

Jason X- Jason goes to Space.  Granted, I have the dvd.  But the fact that like, they base the story 455 years in the future, and the fact I can't remember any of the characters names is a bad sign. 

Leprechaun 2-6- Let's send him back in time, in space, to the hood, then the hood again.  Granted, I liked when he was fighting Coolio and Ice-T, but it's just a terrible idea. 

There's more, but I can't seem to think of them right now.