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Title: RARE RANT - Deal with you whiny bunch of cry baby super sensitive turd hounds!
Post by: CheezeFlixz on February 06, 2007, 11:54:22 AM
I don't RANT to often, but when I do ... :hatred:

(BEGIN RANT)
Iím sick of this Ďhearts on their sleeveí world we have ended up in. This ultra sensitive, politically correct society of whiny-ass-cry-babies that want anyone and everyone that says the slightest thing that offends them to run out and take sensitivity, culture awareness training and make public statements of their evil doings all while defending a law suit again them for saying it in a country with a 1st amendment of free speech.
As a WASP-M (White Anglo Saxon Protestant Male) I have to listen to every other sex, race, culture, plant and animal have a field day running me into the dirt, meanwhile if I was to make even the slightest off color or sexist comment Iím some insensitive-racist-bigot that should donate money to one of their causes and go into cultural understanding rehab.
Iím sick of it I tell you Ö seems to me half the shows on TV are letís make fun of whitey or letís dog out Ďthe maní (which is a euphemism for a white male) and you know, Iím ok with that, but donít whine and cry if all of the sudden itís thrown back in your face. I donít want to hear it as fair is fair. And all of these metro-sexual-peter-puffers telling me I need to be more understanding, I need to be more sensitive, I need to wear a sweater tied around my neck, with docksiderís with no socks and drink a Double Mocha Latte with marshmallows all while redecorating my house in frilly colors with fruity names Ö I donít think so flitboy.
As for these bra-burning-panty-wave-new-age-feminist Ö just shut up would you! If some guy is staring at you cleavage or admiring you tramp-stamp  (That lower back tattoo) be very, very happy he is not asking if you butt comes with a zip code.  I swear these women that dress like ghetto-hooker and have the audacity to complain if someone notices makes me want to scream.
Example: I was down at my wifeís law firm the other day; her secretary is very, very pretty and dresses like a $3.00 whore half the time. (More reason for me to go down there.) And one of the male attorneys made some comment about her, she over heard. Well she came storming into my wifeís office to ask her make him stop and apologies to her or she would file sexual harassment charges. (My wife doesnít play this game, thank goodness.) As the stars would have it I was there in her office talking about whatever, and I looked at the girl and said ďWHAT, you want him to apologies? For practicing free speech?Ē  She started to talk and I stopped her, I said ďListen, why do you dress like that? Itís because you want guys to notice you, if you donít want guys to notice you then donít dress like that and if they do that donít whine about it. In my opinion that is entrapment.Ē She kept trying to interrupt and I kept giving her the hand Ö so anyway I said ďItís 15 degrees outside, you have on a skirt that just barely covers your ass, a push up bar with your boobs hanging out and more make-up than Mary Kay Ö are you trying to make a statement Iím missing? Is that the new conservative dress? Are you going into a nunnery, because if you are youíre dressed like a stripper?Ē
She stood there staring at my wife and she, my wife is holding back laughter and then my wife says, I canít fire him, he doesnít work here and besides Iím married to him! No to mention heís right, she huffs out of the room stomping down the hall, which is straight out my wifeís door to reception and as she walked away I said ďYou want fries with that shake?Ē (Yes I got a ďStop it! From the bride.)
Ok So you can have you breast nearly coming out of you shirt, but Iím not suppose to notice. You can drive you the store in you Escalade and wear $10,000 in bling-bling while buying groceries on food stamps, but Iím not suppose to assume anything. You can stand there with your Latte and rainbow sweater while talking with a lisp, but thatís ok, youíre just a manly man in touch with your feminine side. You can have your pants hanging down around your knees and a shirt 5 times to large, but Iím to think you are a rising star in the business world? And God help me if I say anything, Iíll be forever in some class trying to understand while donating to a worthy cause.
People just need to toughen up and stop it with the politically correct, cry baby you need to be more understanding, you need to be more sensitive, you need to be like me. Bull crap! You, you bleeding-heart-PC-metro-gangsters-ten cent-tart need to be more understanding, that Iím not going to change and no amount of training and lawsuits will make it happen, get use to it.
Iím nowhere close to finished, but Iíll stop! I need to get back to work; there are people to harass and cultures to oppress.
(END RANT)


Title: Re: RARE RANT - Deal with you whiny bunch of cry baby super sensitive turd hounds!
Post by: RCMerchant on February 06, 2007, 12:33:01 PM
 :buggedout:WOW! Chicken sit on a pointed egg this morning? :teddyr:
Seriously,I was going to post about a law against letting black comedians basing there entire acts on the "lamenss" of white folks,but then I thought of Buckwheat, Steppin' Fetchit,and Minstril Shows of the past, so I thought,"Ah, f#ckit." Though I personally don't feel a bit guilty about slavery,and the plight of the black "underclass",as I was not involved in the slave trade, nor do I keep the black race,or any body else, from improving there lot in life.
As for homosexuals: I don't run around waving a sign saying " I LIKE GIRLS" or "I F*CK SHEEP" or "I MASERBATE TO DIRTY PICTURES",so I believe if they want to advertize theyre sex lives,they better be ready for people to say,"Hey man! SHUT THE F#CK UP! THERE ARE CHILDREN IN THE ROOM!!!" 
   :hatred:GRRR>>> now you got me all p**sed off! THANX A LOT YOU DIRTY ROTTON ...bird.(?) :lookingup:


Title: Re: RARE RANT - Deal with you whiny bunch of cry baby super sensitive turd hounds!
Post by: Menard on February 06, 2007, 12:35:45 PM
You know, I was sitting here thinking of taking the high road and ignoring this, but it stuck me that I have no idea what a high road is.

You are sick and tired of the whining? The only whining so far has been this entire rant.

I will not go into indivual aspects of this tyraid, largely for the lack of any sense in it all.

You whine about others you perceive as bothering you, while mentioning your job and your wife's law firm? You basically come off as a cushy bigot.

1. If you are going to whine, don't do it in a Rush (bigot) Limbaugh style telling us how horrible things are for you while looking down on others from the comfort of an easy chair.

2. I don't take you at face value at how you described your wife's secretary; you are way out of place speaking not only to someone who is not your employee like that in their place of employment, but in speaking in such a condescending manner to any woman; and, if what you said about your wife's reaction is true, she doesn't sound one damn bit better than you.


If you want to whine about something, well goddammit, have something to actually whine about first, rather than just crying about people not accepting what you perceive their place in life to be. You ain't that damn special.


Oh, and have a good day. :tongueout:


Title: Re: RARE RANT - Deal with you whiny bunch of cry baby super sensitive turd hound
Post by: CheezeFlixz on February 06, 2007, 12:48:57 PM
For one you don't know the dynamics of the office, nor how long I've known her, nor where he damn check comes from.

And if you disagree, that is your right. But know that by giving me a lecture you have embodied every negitive quality you accuse me of.

Oh, and have a good day.  :tongueout:


Title: Re: RARE RANT - Deal with you whiny bunch of cry baby super sensitive turd hounds!
Post by: RCMerchant on February 06, 2007, 12:57:23 PM
Gee,come to think of it Stepin Fetchit made money on  his exploiting the image of the "lazy black man",so f#ck him.
What REALLY p**ses me off is the f#cking goverment crawling up our asses and posting laws about everthing but the color of our sh!t,and then busting some punk for a joint of pot,yet  polititions can break every Commandment in the Book,including some that God was'nt  aware of, and get PAID for it!!! What separates the differnce between  mass murder and dropping an A-Bomb on Japenese women and kids? Why are We, (the US) alowed to test LSD on unkowning citizens, yet hippies  in the sixties,who WANTED to take it,risked getting theyre ass'es locked up?  How come Bosnia or Rwanda go for years butchering each other and the US sit on there hands,yet if  oil was p**sing out of the earth, we'd have been in there on it like flys on sh!t? Why WHY!? WHHHHYYYY???? :hot:

Sorry 'bout that I go take pill now... :drink:


Title: Re: RARE RANT - Deal with you whiny bunch of cry baby super sensitive turd hound
Post by: CheezeFlixz on February 06, 2007, 01:14:47 PM
It's simple everybody must tip-toe around everyones else feeling. As I said you want to stereotype me and poke fun, go ahead I might find it funny, you are not going to hurt my feeling. But for the love of Pete if I do the same to them then take for what it's worth and get your heart off your sleeve. I've never been known for my political correctness and I'm not going to start now. I'm not talking about any one group of people, unless you want to classify the PC hearts on their sleeves group as a single group. It got nothing to do with race, religion, sex or creed, unless that creed is PC.
All these silly euphemisms nowadays, why? All this PC terms, why? All these people saying do as I say not as I do, why? Freedom of speech, what a concept .. to bad it's just that.

Oh well I guess we'll never all just get along.


Title: Re: RARE RANT - Deal with you whiny bunch of cry baby super sensitive turd hound
Post by: trekgeezer on February 06, 2007, 01:29:44 PM
I'm with Menard, let civility rule the day. Whining and ranting doesn't help anything , because the whiner is usually the one that comes off looking bad.


Title: Re: RARE RANT - Deal with you whiny bunch of cry baby super sensitive turd hounds!
Post by: RCMerchant on February 06, 2007, 01:36:49 PM
Hey,I ain't poking fun. I really do think there is a double standerd about most sh!t. Personally,the girl should have taken the shmucks remark as a compliment,and left it at that. But I wouldn't b***h at her about it because, simply it would have not been none off my bizness. In fact,I  DO ask nosey a***oles if they got nothing better to do than butt in on my life,to go f#ck themselves.
Of course,thats just what I would do,because PC or not,it's all about plan old fashioned being F#CKING POLITE! I don't generally air my likes or dislikes about other peoples mode of dress,or what the say or do,because,to tell the truth,I just don't give a rats ass. But once in a while I like to let off steam,as does everyone. Nobody is perfect,and everyone will not like something about something ,so I live by the motto," Aww,f#ck it. It ain't the end of the world."

 I can't change the world,but I can change my underwear. :wink:


Title: Re: RARE RANT - Deal with you whiny bunch of cry baby super sensitive turd hound
Post by: Andrew on February 06, 2007, 01:49:35 PM
I obviously deal with less of this idiocy than some others, probably due to my current status.  If I run into a Marine and he/she is not dressed in appropriate civilian attire, I tell them to fix it and the issue is over.  Once or twice, one has tried to argue with me, but that is a losing proposition.

From what I can tell, you cannot tell most civilians, "You need to (do this or that correctly).  Unf**k yourself."

I have no idea what was said about the secretary, nor did I see her - so I cannot comment.  On the other hand, if a female Marine dressed a provocative way, one of my NCO's had better correct her and not just make snide remarks.

EDIT:  To add what also comes to mind.  If she heard him and did not like what he said, why is she running to your wife to complain?  Jump up and correct the issue.  You want to fix it?  Fix it, don't run to somebody else.


Title: Re: RARE RANT - Deal with you whiny bunch of cry baby super sensitive turd hound
Post by: CheezeFlixz on February 06, 2007, 01:49:56 PM
Hey,I ain't poking fun. I really do think there is a double standerd about most sh!t. Personally,the girl should have taken the shmucks remark as a compliment,and left it at that. But I wouldn't b***h at her about it because, simply it would have not been none off my bizness. In fact,I  DO ask nosey a***oles if they got nothing better to do than butt in on my life,to go f#ck themselves.
Of course,thats just what I would do,because PC or not,it's all about plan old fashioned being F#CKING POLITE! I don't generally air my likes or dislikes about other peoples mode of dress,or what the say or do,because,to tell the truth,I just don't give a rats ass. But once in a while I like to let off steam,as does everyone. Nobody is perfect,and everyone will not like something about something ,so I live by the motto," Aww,f#ck it. It ain't the end of the world."

 I can't change the world,but I can change my underwear. :wink:

I’ve known this girl 10 years, she’s work for the firm for 4 or 5 years I’m no stranger to her, so she knows I’ll say what I think when I think it. Rude or not, point is I’ve heard her on more than one occasion state she is there to land a lawyer (i.e. sugar-daddy to quote her) or make some sexist comment about some young attorney that caught her eye. I simply called her on her own actions. Another case of wanting your cake and eating it too.
There is always more to the story; perhaps I should have set the background first.


EDIT Rememeber that video I posted she has acted like that, double standard. If she likes him and he's cutre she'd likely go out with him. But if he is no her taste then it sexual harrasment ... yeah no reason to call that what it is.

Andrew likely the Jarhead come out in me, I never work around any WM's rarely ever saw one. They were like bigfoot, you heard about them but no one could proof they ever really saw it.


Title: Re: RARE RANT - Deal with you whiny bunch of cry baby super sensitive turd hound
Post by: CheezeFlixz on February 06, 2007, 03:50:29 PM
[snip]

EDIT:  To add what also comes to mind.  If she heard him and did not like what he said, why is she running to your wife to complain?  Jump up and correct the issue.  You want to fix it?  Fix it, don't run to somebody else.

It is the nature of her drama; it doesn't bring others into her "oppression" if she was to say something herself. She claim (and I know this from history) that he is a lawyer and she is a "lowly plebe" so she can't say anything to him. Which is BS she is as out spoken as anyone else there. She does really good quality work and with the exception of her attire is very professional. Her statement to my wife was more of a b!tch than wanting to file an actual complaint against him, she thinks he is and I quote ďicky and creepyĒ. While another guy in the same office has made far more suggestive comments to her with out so much as a bat of an eye and more of a giggle.
This rant of mine was nothing more than examples of many of people who pick and choose what offends them. The BIG PICTURE here is that NO ONE can be offend unless they choose to be offended, and to many people pick and choose, based on who said it what is offensive. I find that annoying, dare I say it by choice it offends me. It could be called one of the ďMichael Douglas, Falling DownĒ moments where you say thatís it Iíve had enough, ďWhy doesnít my hamburger look that the one in the picture?Ē


Title: Re: RARE RANT - Deal with you whiny bunch of cry baby super sensitive turd hounds!
Post by: Ed, Ego and Superego on February 06, 2007, 04:07:46 PM
I'm with Menard and Trek... and I just want to add this: Mind yer own business and suck it up. 

You just sound whiny, man. Not enlightened, not clever, not downtrodden, not superior, not logical, definitely not original (I count at least 5 Rush-isms), just whiny.   You think might possibly be better than anyone, be the better person.  Being the louder person doesn't do much to help anybody. 

Everyone gets mad, annoyed or feels marginalized at one point or another.  No point in noising it about.  Freaking deal, brother.  Its a hard, hard world.  Why go about making it harder for yourself and others? 

-Ed


Title: Re: RARE RANT - Deal with you whiny bunch of cry baby super sensitive turd hound
Post by: CheezeFlixz on February 06, 2007, 04:36:33 PM
This is funny, surely I'm not the only one that gets the irony of the words of this band of bashers. :bouncegiggle:

Keep it up folks I need the entertainment.


Title: Re: RARE RANT - Deal with you whiny bunch of cry baby super sensitive turd hound
Post by: Menard on February 06, 2007, 05:13:57 PM
EDIT:  To add what also comes to mind.  If she heard him and did not like what he said, why is she running to your wife to complain?  Jump up and correct the issue.  You want to fix it?  Fix it, don't run to somebody else.

Keep in mind, that is what he said happened, and, considering his bigoted attitude, I wouldn't believe his take on it. At best, it is embellished.


Title: Re: RARE RANT - Deal with you whiny bunch of cry baby super sensitive turd hound
Post by: CheezeFlixz on February 06, 2007, 05:25:47 PM
EDIT:  To add what also comes to mind.  If she heard him and did not like what he said, why is she running to your wife to complain?  Jump up and correct the issue.  You want to fix it?  Fix it, don't run to somebody else.

Keep in mind, that is what he said happened, and, considering his bigoted attitude, I wouldn't believe his take on it. At best, it is embellished.

Gosh, it must wonderful to think you know everything. Tell us oh keeper of the smugness.

EDIT: What was said was true and to fact, it was said with humor to some one I know well and have traded barbs with for years. The rest is a reflection of the double standard that is in our world today. So all I can figure is that you are either too uptight or too dense to get it then that's just too bad and so sad for you, because while fact based it was written on a humorous note and with no embellishments. Some people need to really lighten up. For f**K sake it's an Internet forum not the grand council. Jeez people!


Title: Re: RARE RANT - Deal with you whiny bunch of cry baby super sensitive turd hound
Post by: Mr_Vindictive on February 06, 2007, 07:04:21 PM
I hate replying to this type of thing on this board.  We are generally a kind folk who have avoided arguments and flame wars...excluding those involving Zardoz. 

I must say though, that I'm with the majority here.

You whine about people whining.  Isn't that the definition of the word "Hypocrite"?

I don't care if black comedians make fun of "The Man" or white people.  Who cares?  Isn't that also covered by freedom of speech, which you cited when lambasting your wife's secretary?

I must say that there is a lot of reverse discrimination going on today.  Why the hell do I care?  Does it bother me? 

NO.

Any reverse discrimination that happens today is the direct effect of our behavior towards other races in the past.  Is it this generation's fault?  Not generally, although there are those out there who still feel themselves better than others.  I have a feeling that you might be one of them.

Hey, don't take that the wrong way.  Like I said, we're all like a big family here.  If you do feel yourself to be so much more high and mighty than others, then that's your deal.  Just don't come here whining about how much people whine.  I could really care less about what you think.


Title: Re: RARE RANT - Deal with you whiny bunch of cry baby super sensitive turd hound
Post by: Menard on February 06, 2007, 07:37:26 PM
Gosh, it must wonderful to think you know everything. Tell us oh keeper of the smugness.

EDIT: What was said was true and to fact, it was said with humor to some one I know well and have traded barbs with for years. The rest is a reflection of the double standard that is in our world today. So all I can figure is that you are either too uptight or too dense to get it then that's just too bad and so sad for you, because while fact based it was written on a humorous note and with no embellishments. Some people need to really lighten up. For f**K sake it's an Internet forum not the grand council. Jeez people!

I serously doubt a bigot can deal with truth and fact. You come off with demeaning statements about people and then it is our problem for not accepting everything you say.

Be high and mighty all that you want to be. Look down upon anybody that you want. Change your story from you were ranting to now it was...uh...humorous. That is your right.

You can consider me smug, an a***ole, always right (and you are correct about that; glad you noticed :tongueout:), or anything else you would like; it doesn't bother me one bit.

I'll be happy to converse with you about movies, TV, lesbians ( :teddyr:) or anything else you want to talk about on an open forum; but, if you want to be demeaning to people and expect me to fall in line with you, I'll smack you down like the whining little boy b***h you are (uh...nothing personal).

Say all you want; I am not going to get into a name shouting match with you. We are both a little too old to play I'm rubber and you're glue (unless, of course, one of us was Pee Wee Herman :teddyr:)


Title: Re: RARE RANT - Deal with you whiny bunch of cry baby super sensitive turd hound
Post by: Andrew on February 06, 2007, 07:45:30 PM
This thread has run its course.  If the goal is to discuss what was right or wrong about the situation or how it was handled, I agree that is a useful thing and could be of value to others.  If the focus is something else - directly insulting each other to prove a position, I see no use for it.


Title: Re: RARE RANT - Deal with you whiny bunch of cry baby super sensitive turd hound
Post by: CheezeFlixz on February 06, 2007, 08:38:19 PM
This thread has run its course.  If the goal is to discuss what was right or wrong about the situation or how it was handled, I agree that is a useful thing and could be of value to others.  If the focus is something else - directly insulting each other to prove a position, I see no use for it.


Well Andrew I think you know what the point of the thread was to be, sadly it was derailed what ever reason and quikly spun downward. The point was missed completely and the opportunity to discuss in a mature, civilized manner lost.
As far I as I'm concerned lock it.


Title: Re: RARE RANT - Deal with you whiny bunch of cry baby super sensitive turd hounds!
Post by: Zapranoth on February 06, 2007, 09:08:28 PM
Oh, you guys.

Cheese is so right on.

That secretary needs to watch a few seasons of What Not to Wear.  (Anyone here seen that?  It's quite instructive.)

You DO make a statement with how you dress, whether you like it or not.  If you dress provocatively but are supposed to be a professional, serving a role in a professional office, you are sending the wrong message.   The problem is hers, not anyone else's.  That this was pointed out to her, however undiplomatically, is really her problem.   



Title: Re: RARE RANT - Deal with you whiny bunch of cry baby super sensitive turd hounds!
Post by: RCMerchant on February 06, 2007, 10:04:52 PM
Where are my socks?! Where are my undertwear?!? :hot:


Title: Re: RARE RANT - Deal with you whiny bunch of cry baby super sensitive turd hounds!
Post by: Zapranoth on February 06, 2007, 11:10:29 PM
Aha... RCM is a professional Internet Porn Watcher!   He's making a professional statement!


Title: Re: RARE RANT - Deal with you whiny bunch of cry baby super sensitive turd hound
Post by: Jordan on February 07, 2007, 12:40:50 AM
Wow.... that got a little out of hand. Hahaha. I nearly hopped into this topic early on, but decided not to. The last time I was involved in a flame war, it got pretty heated, to the point where the person that began bashing me on a newsgroup (a fellow called Gore-met that claimed to be a writer of some magazine called Rue Morgue?  :wink:) decided to chop down my writing skills, my website, the Rogue Reviewers, and Rogue Cinema. Needless to say, that led to some hard feelings, but that's all in the past now and only a few Rogues still harbor some anger over that gentleman's comments. Perhaps in the future we all should avoid these minor squabbles and just enjoy Andrew's site. (i.e. Everyone play nice.  :wink:)

So who's going to be first to sign "The Badmovies.Org Peace Treaty of 2007?!"  :teddyr: LOL!


Title: Re: RARE RANT - Deal with you whiny bunch of cry baby super sensitive turd hound
Post by: Dennis on February 07, 2007, 12:52:37 AM
So who's going to be first to sign "The Badmovies.Org Peace Treaty of 2007?!"  :teddyr: LOL!
Me, I like a good discussion and this is one of the few places that I can usually find several at the same time. :teddyr: :teddyr: :teddyr:


Title: Re: RARE RANT - Deal with you whiny bunch of cry baby super sensitive turd hounds!
Post by: LilCerberus on February 07, 2007, 01:40:03 AM
Ummm, uhhh...



I had this job once, & I was always getting stuck with the heavy stuff, so I was always sweatin' my ass off, & then the boss would call me on the carpet because one of those panzies who takes twenty mintes to go to the bathroom complained that I reeked of sweat. :hatred:


Title: Re: RARE RANT - Deal with you whiny bunch of cry baby super sensitive turd hound
Post by: dean on February 07, 2007, 04:13:46 AM
Well I certainly didn't expect to see: "you bleeding-heart-PC-metro-gangsters-ten cent-tart"  all in the one sentence, unless in the states gangsters are the new metro-sexuals or something.  That's genius!  :bouncegiggle:

Cheeze, I do get what you're on about, but my first impressions after reading your first post were that you did seem to come off as a bit of an ass [even if that wasn't totally the case, and yes that back story helped.]

I too am sick of people p***y-footing about certain issues/phrases, and figure we all need to just relax a bit more and use a bit of common sense.  At the same time however, there's alot of bad out there we need to be changing/fixing.  I suppose it's all a matter of perspective.  My friends and I make fun of our various races all the time, and we are all just joking around and using it as a source of pride most of the time, but there's always the flipside of somebody doing the same thing, but doing it from a genuine place of hatred [something I've come across many times] which in my mind is where we need to change people's ideas.

Anyways, as for the main point: that girl is being a bit of an idiot about things, but then again I don't know what the guy said, so hell maybe she was justified [though I doubt it from what it sounds like.]  I can't remember whether it was a Dave Chappelle or Eddie Murphy stand-up show where I saw this, but I loved the comment of one tarted up woman saying 'don't call me a whore' to which he replied, "Oh I'm sorry, yes, you're not a whore.  You're just wearing a whore's uniform'.  Saying that normally to someone you didn't know would result in two things: it being absolutely hilarious or absolutely terrible..

I don't know, I'm on the halfway point of this I suppose, between 'doing the right thing' and not going over the top about it.  I love good discussions [and that's why we have the off topic board I suppose] but for some reason this one seems to have got off on the wrong foot and I'm not feeling my return rant vibe I usually get on these things...



Title: Re: RARE RANT - Deal with you whiny bunch of cry baby super sensitive turd hounds!
Post by: RCMerchant on February 07, 2007, 06:38:43 AM
AH HA!! Took awhile,but I was wearing them all along! :twirl:


Title: Re: RARE RANT - Deal with you whiny bunch of cry baby super sensitive turd hound
Post by: CheezeFlixz on February 07, 2007, 01:07:43 PM
Well I certainly didn't expect to see: "you bleeding-heart-PC-metro-gangsters-ten cent-tart"  all in the one sentence, unless in the states gangsters are the new metro-sexuals or something.  That's genius!  :bouncegiggle:

Cheeze, I do get what you're on about, but my first impressions after reading your first post were that you did seem to come off as a bit of an ass [even if that wasn't totally the case, and yes that back story helped.]

I too am sick of people p***y-footing about certain issues/phrases, and figure we all need to just relax a bit more and use a bit of common sense.  At the same time however, there's alot of bad out there we need to be changing/fixing.  I suppose it's all a matter of perspective.  My friends and I make fun of our various races all the time, and we are all just joking around and using it as a source of pride most of the time, but there's always the flipside of somebody doing the same thing, but doing it from a genuine place of hatred [something I've come across many times] which in my mind is where we need to change people's ideas.

Anyways, as for the main point: that girl is being a bit of an idiot about things, but then again I don't know what the guy said, so hell maybe she was justified [though I doubt it from what it sounds like.]  I can't remember whether it was a Dave Chappelle or Eddie Murphy stand-up show where I saw this, but I loved the comment of one tarted up woman saying 'don't call me a whore' to which he replied, "Oh I'm sorry, yes, you're not a whore.  You're just wearing a whore's uniform'.  Saying that normally to someone you didn't know would result in two things: it being absolutely hilarious or absolutely terrible..

I don't know, I'm on the halfway point of this I suppose, between 'doing the right thing' and not going over the top about it.  I love good discussions [and that's why we have the off topic board I suppose] but for some reason this one seems to have got off on the wrong foot and I'm not feeling my return rant vibe I usually get on these things...



Well I typed out a rather comprehensive reply to this statement, but I think it would draw more fire than needed.

Political Correctness is undermining this country.
We will not deal with the issue of the boarder due to fear of offending.
We will not deal with welfare reform due to fear of offending.
We will not deal with the undermining of the principles this country was founded on due to fear of offending.
We canít stereotype curtain cultural groups at the airport due to fear of offending.
Freedom of religion in this country only exists if youíre not a Christian.
I can refuse to rent a house to a white family if I think they are a risk, but I canít do the same to a minority family if I think they are the same exact risk without a good chance of a discrimination complaint. (The risk is the ability to pay the rent, i.e. verifiable employment)
Everyone has to p***yfoot around the obvious and play political patty-cakes because were too afraid to call it like it is. Do I stereotype at times? Sure I do, we all do and anyone that says they donít is either a saint or a liar. Lord knows Iíve been stereotyped enough.


Title: Re: RARE RANT - Deal with you whiny bunch of cry baby super sensitive turd hound
Post by: dean on February 08, 2007, 02:16:00 AM

Well I typed out a rather comprehensive reply to this statement, but I think it would draw more fire than needed.

Political Correctness is undermining this country.
We will not deal with the issue of the boarder due to fear of offending.
We will not deal with welfare reform due to fear of offending.
We will not deal with the undermining of the principles this country was founded on due to fear of offending.
We can’t stereotype curtain cultural groups at the airport due to fear of offending.
Freedom of religion in this country only exists if you’re not a Christian.
I can refuse to rent a house to a white family if I think they are a risk, but I can’t do the same to a minority family if I think they are the same exact risk without a good chance of a discrimination complaint. (The risk is the ability to pay the rent, i.e. verifiable employment)
Everyone has to p***yfoot around the obvious and play political patty-cakes because were too afraid to call it like it is. Do I stereotype at times? Sure I do, we all do and anyone that says they don’t is either a saint or a liar. Lord knows I’ve been stereotyped enough.


Since I'm not American, I can't really coment on any of this, since most of those really are US issues that I haven't really noticed here in my country [for the most part at least], but the race issue is very much a powder keg out your way, where we are mostly ignorant SOBs here most of the time, and a bit more relaxed about it all [well in my town at least]  Sure, everywhere has the same people preaching about racial profiling and corporate racism and what not, but it doesn't seem like such a hard, harsh issue here as it seems in the US.

You're very right about stereotyping, it's crazy if you're made to feel like you're doing the wrong thing for the wrong reasons, when you very much aren't, such as the renting issue you brought up.  It also gets me frustrated, such as back in high school when a [kinda] friend of mine was b***hing about how the teacher gave him bad marks because he was black [he was Indian].  The thought didn't seem to cross his mind that he was a total moron [which he was] and was too quick to play the race card as a cop out.

Just out of curiousity, Cheeze, and you can pass this off as me not knowing enough about American culture, but how come freedom of religion only exists if you're not a Christian over there?  I figure this has something to do with people labelling a Christian as 'bigots' because of their religious beliefs or something, but I'm just wondering why that is?

Anyways, I agree with the stuff you said that I do understand[such as not talking about welfare refrom, though I'm not a US politics expert mind you].

EDIT: No need to answer that question above if you don't want to poke the bears further, was just curious!



Title: Re: RARE RANT - Deal with you whiny bunch of cry baby super sensitive turd hound
Post by: CheezeFlixz on February 08, 2007, 02:29:18 AM
[snip]

Just out of curiousity, Cheeze, and you can pass this off as me not knowing enough about American culture, but how come freedom of religion only exists if you're not a Christian over there?  I figure this has something to do with people labelling a Christian as 'bigots' because of their religious beliefs or something, but I'm just wondering why that is?

Anyways, I agree with the stuff you said that I do understand[such as not talking about welfare refrom, though I'm not a US politics expert mind you].

EDIT: No need to answer that question above if you don't want to poke the bears further, was just curious!



Well if you talk the European elitist America doesn’t have a culture. For the record anyone that wants to come to this country to make a better life for themselves and their family, come on … just do it legally.
As for your question I’m not a down south bible thumping Christian hell bent on saving the world from their pagan ways. I don’t care what your religious faith might be, but when in Rome do as the Romans. If I go to Israel I rather expect to see most things Jewish, if I go to Japan I expect to see most things Buddhist, if I go to India I expect to see most things Hindu and so on.
For some reason America is so big, so powerful and so afraid of offending anyone that we end up oppressing our own culture as to not look pushy even in our own country. Stores do not say Merry Christmas in fear of offending a non-Christian, the Ten Commandment come off schools wall and courthouse lawns in fear of offending some other culture. You have atheist in this country suing to have “In God we Trust” removed from the currency. (God is a subjective word; it doesn’t have to refer to some old guy in a white robe with long flowing beard that will rain down damnation if you get out of line. God is generic as in deity, and there are over 2700 in the world today from various cultures. Pick your God.)
Since Christians are the predominate faith in the US (80% +/-) it would stand to reason that if you came here from another culture carrying a different faith then you could reasonably expect to be exposed to a overwhelmingly Christian culture. It doesn’t mean you have to adapt it nor does it mean I should have to kowtow to yours. We don’t band mosques, synagogues, temples, shrines or anything else. So why should we oppress the vast majority religion in the country? It makes no sense!
As far as bigotry goes, I think that is most associated with the fundamentalist, evangelical Christians in the religious circles. Some folks throw that word around because it has got shock effect, but in fact most everyone is a bigot to some degree by definition, which is ‘intolerant of those who differ’. Hypothetically, if you are intolerant of my views, words or opinion then you are bigoted to my position, thus making you a bigot. So I always find great irony in statements of accused bigotry, because the statement itself is a bigoted statement. It’s a catch 22; you can’t call it unless you are one.
I’ve always had the great opportunity to talk to people from all over the globe, and while some people like America there are a lot that really don’t. But I look it in terms of the poor disliking the rich. They don’t like them, but they damn sure wouldn’t mind being one. We here in the states have 1000’s coming here everyday, can’t be all that bad.
Anyway, I’m not sure if I’ve answered your question or not, if a simple question with a difficult answer. I blame it on the commies, if they haven’t had folded we still have that good verses evil balance in the world, the yen and yang. But since they are gone we don’t have an organized evil to rally against. So we end up the lone super-power and difficult to understand fearful of our owe success and excess. Fearful we might offend, fearful we won’t be loved by the world; fearful we’ll be kicked out of the best friends club and labeled a bully. The reality as I see it, is that America is walking on the edge of a razor. We will either maintain world order, or unleash world chaos. In this post cold-war-world we have no idea what I job is now. If we do something we are accused of having an agenda, if we don’t we’re accused of not caring. So even in our own country we have decided to bolster the minorities and suppress the majority in fear of being accused of oppression. Really seems to fly in the face of that entire democratic process doesn’t it? For the record I think all faith should be allowed to be represented in public places if they wish. I think most people would repect that.
Well I got off on a tangent there so I’ll stop now.


Title: Re: RARE RANT - Deal with you whiny bunch of cry baby super sensitive turd hounds!
Post by: Yaddo 42 on February 08, 2007, 08:03:30 AM
Dean, can I move Down Under until things blow over here in the US? Might take a while.

Oppress Christianity? Look how rare and hard it is to get elected to political office in the US, especially beyond the local level, unless you profess to being a Christian or Jewish.

No wishing "Merry Christmas" at the stores? Tempest in a teapot. Fox News tried to whip this up into a national scourge at the same time they were selling "Happy Holidays" ornaments on their own website. I don't really care what anyone wishes me at the store, I'd wish 'em back "Messy Kweznuz" if I didn't have to explain the reference every time. 

Pick your God? I'm an atheist, I choose not to pick among a group of choices I consider imaginary anyway. Personally don't care if "In God We Trust" is on the money, look at the "Illuminati" symbol on the back of the one dollar bill. Conflicting message, IMO. Besides everything's going to plastic and electronic transfers, unless those words are encoded in binary in every transaction, then I got a problem with it.

I would like it if "under God" were take back out of the Pledge of Allegiance, but that's just me. It was added to somehow set us apart from those godless evil commies, back in the good ole days when there were only two sides to the global conflict (italics added to emphasize the sarcasm). When I say the Pledge I omit that part, so what, there's plenty of idiots who say that part louder. Maybe it's a political and religious solidarity statement, IMO it's just rude. "Under Gilgamesh" or "under Ziggy" or "under Kilroy" would mean as much to me.

Freedom of religion includes the freedom not to have a religion. Do I begrudge people their beliefs, no, as long as they aren't trying to coerce me to accept those beliefs or to expect to be treated like a second class citizen for not being one of them. I'm from the state Roy Moore made his rep in, religious displays in courthouses, govt. buildings, etc. make me wonder if justice will be applied equally to those of us who believe other than what the majority do. The Bill of Rights is there to protect unpopular opinions and beliefs.

Strange that much of the religious majority feels oppressed when they held control of two of three branches of the federal govt. for six years and could write the laws the way they want to prevent said oppression. They had their chance if it was so bad. Please don't bring up "activist judges". Just like whose ox is gored, they're only "activist" to whichever side doesn't like the ruling, right or left.

I could almost sympathize with the anti-PC people, I hate restrictions on language among civil adults. But I've seen too many closed minded morons run their mouths about anyone different than themselves just because they could. This includes family members and people I considered friends.

And I thought everyone knew the comeback to "Do fries come with that shake?" is "Shake like that don't need fries."


Title: Re: RARE RANT - Deal with you whiny bunch of cry baby super sensitive turd hound
Post by: CheezeFlixz on February 08, 2007, 11:32:25 AM
Yaddo
The point I trying to make is that its political correctness run amuck. Change in many cases is good, but when you go try to change traditional values (Values based on a majority opinion) and event for the sake of a few over the many then you need to step back and re-evaluate the situation. Everyones religious beliefs or no religious beliefs should be respected. In my kids school it is 99% Christian, there are 2 Buddhist and 1 Jewish child. Out of respect they have event and displays for those religions represented in the school, I know of no one that gets torn up about it. But some groups in the nation want to band all displays. When as far as I know they don't hurt anyone. It's just them trying to force their fringe minority belief on the majority by avenues of legal process. It would seems to me that representing all beliefs for those that have them would promote better understanding of the other.

And "Messy Kweznuz" is from Blackadder and I doubt many here would get it either. Kinda like Rama-Hana-Kwan-Mas.


Title: Re: RARE RANT - Deal with you whiny bunch of cry baby super sensitive turd hounds!
Post by: Zapranoth on February 08, 2007, 10:12:33 PM
There's something oddly hypnotic about Uma there doin' the Twist.

Now, Uma there, I mean MissusMiaWallace, she'd just snort a line and forget all that s**t yo talkin' 'bout theah...

I think the only answer to the discrimination, reverse discrimination, etc is for each of us to just be what we are and to try to let go of our unreasoned reactions.  I'm a straight white thirtysomething Norwegian-ancestry male, and I look like it.  I'm tall, so white as to be translucent, blue-eyed.  I have a very large amount of higher education and I'm successful in my career.  I'm Christian.    If someone has a bone to pick with me that's fine.  If someone is behaving stupidly/self-destructively (as I often get to confront in my work) I try to just call it what it is, coming from a position of concern.   How a person reacts to that is beyond my control.

Maybe you ought to turn the TV off, Cheeze.  Watch less news.  Throw the effin' newspaper away and cancel your subscription.  Turn the spam filter waaaaaay up, and exercise more?  (I don't mean this critically.  I quit watching the news.  I skim the news on the net, and some articles I just don't read on some days.  Why read about another child murder?  How is that going to make me a better person today?)


Title: Re: RARE RANT - Deal with you whiny bunch of cry baby super sensitive turd hound
Post by: CheezeFlixz on February 09, 2007, 01:13:44 AM
I took the RED pill, I'll leave the BLUE one for somebody else.


Title: Re: RARE RANT - Deal with you whiny bunch of cry baby super sensitive turd hounds!
Post by: RCMerchant on February 09, 2007, 06:42:38 AM
Take it easy....life is waaaay too short to sweat the bulls**t. Even stoopid f2cking redneck russian fishermen ain't gonna p**s me off forever. I got to much life to enjoy left,to waste it wishing somebody would CUT UP THOSE BACKWOOD f**kS AND DISSECT THEM,JUST TO TRY AND FATHOM HOW IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT IS HOLY<THEY COULD HAVE BEEN SO RETARTED TO EAT THAT f**kING FISH!Or else you'll go nuts,and pull a Charlie.
 Sigh...Charles Fort is rolling in his grave.... :bluesad:


Title: Re: RARE RANT - Deal with you whiny bunch of cry baby super sensitive turd hounds!
Post by: Yaddo 42 on February 09, 2007, 08:49:01 AM
Cheeze, I can see your point, but cultures and values change over time anyway, even without the efforts of the Michael Newdows and such of the world. I'm still trying to figure out when kids started getting Easter presents beyond new dress clothes and egg hunting gear. That seems to be a recent development, wonder where that will be in 20 years? And that's just some mild pointless stuff.
 
When I hear some people invoke traditional values, I wonder how far back do they want to go. Miscegenation laws? Anti-sodomy laws? "No Irish need apply?" Only land owners and white males can vote or hold office? I'm citing extreme and awful examples that I don't think you actually mean, but how traditional do we go? These were the norm not too long ago in some cases, some of the laws are still technically on the books in some states even if not applied.

I agree that there can be a tendency for some people to invoke ideas that amount to little more than, "I deserve special treatment because I'm (fill in a trait here)" or "blame the man/whitey". The first view is stupid to me, if everyone is special, then "special" and "unique" are meaningless. I believe in leveling the playing field, but not to the point that merit counts for nothing. I'd prefer we all be treated as individuals, regardless of race, gender, creed, sexual orientation, whatever; but we humans do group ourselves to the exclusion of others (and there are always "others"). But I ain't gonna hold my breath waiting for it all to change to the way I want it.

As for the other statement, my mother's family didn't come to America until the 1940s and were poor and excluded early on themselves, so I ask them does that mean I get a half pass on white guilt? We can't undo what was done to people in the past, but some people always need an enemy or oppressor whether there is one or not. Just the same thing as grouping ourselves into "us and them". It's never that simple, no matter who does the grouping.

I agree with the suggestions to avoid some news sources or being more selective. There's a lot of stuff that can get you worked up without even realizing it. I rip into myself for listening to talk radio lately. While I can see how they feel they are getting out info that they say the "liberal mainstream media" are ignoring because of an agenda, and part of that is true. Bias is always a factor in any newsgathering or reporting.

But those guys are professional outrage merchants, they have agendas as well, and not just the political one. They make their money getting people p**sed off. If they can't find an outrage legitimately, or if the old button pushing isn't working due to burn out, they'll create one. They have to fill airtime and get those ratings one way or another. If say Sean Hannity is so concerned about the issues he cares about, why break in to announce Anna Nicole Smith's death. Newswise, it's as fluffy and tabloid as this stupid astronaut story. It's a distraction from real issues just like the PC posturing you are opposed to.


Title: Re: RARE RANT - Deal with you whiny bunch of cry baby super sensitive turd hound
Post by: CheezeFlixz on February 09, 2007, 10:25:51 AM

 
When I hear some people invoke traditional values, I wonder how far back do they want to go. Miscegenation laws? Anti-sodomy laws? "No Irish need apply?" Only land owners and white males can vote or hold office? I'm citing extreme and awful examples that I don't think you actually mean, but how traditional do we go? These were the norm not too long ago in some cases, some of the laws are still technically on the books in some states even if not applied.



As I've stated prior traditional values are based on a majority opinion at the time, with time those values can and will change. (I'm not talking about knee-jerk at the time, but stable day to day opinion.) But I base traditional values on the consensus, are all of my values traditional? NO! In some areas I'm a progressive liberal, in others I'm conservative. Traditional values seem to fall somewhere in the middle.

As far as news goes, seems I'm being Pigeon holed a bit here. People like Hannity get on my nerves as they are so far right, so right in their own mind and just plain annoying. I've been accused of "Rush-ism" in this thread and as far as I know I don't even get his show around here, infact there are many times I'm in remote areas of were I live and I can't pick up any radio at all, so I'm at a loss to what they might be. O'Rielly a bit to smug for me along with a number of others on either the right or left and many foreign media outlets are so anti-American (or come across that way) you have to take what they say with a block of salt. There seem to be no middle ground anymore, you have to be labled as in one camp or the other and that's not always true.

You know, I might be independently opinionated complete with original thoughts and without the aid of over the air, print media or talking heads. I'm not setting around surrounded in newspapers with FNC booming away nor am I painting up protest signs while watching CNN. Both of them have there own agenda in my thoughts and opt not to take the middle ground as a non-bias news outlet (not that they ever could), they are both highly bias along with the number of lesser known news channels. It would be nice if they could just report the news with all of the commentary and agenda driven slants.

In my opinion, and it's just that an opinion the only way you are going to get even in the remote area of the truth is to take what the left has to say and take what the right has to say, put it in a pot mix it up and filter out the BS then maybe you might be in the remote area of the facts, but I doubt it.


Title: Re: RARE RANT - Deal with you whiny bunch of cry baby super sensitive turd hounds!
Post by: Yaddo 42 on February 10, 2007, 07:09:34 AM
Fair enough. Sorry if I mischaracterized you, but much of what you wrote reminded me of people I know in real life who are of that political bent and only get their news from sources they agree with. Your take on the news at the bottom of your post isn't too far from what I try to do myself. I just had to ditch many news sources due to an overload of stuff that I knew wasn't informing me or particularly useful, I need to do it again actually. That's why I'm trying to stay away from the Anna Nicole Smith and Astronaut topics on here. I'm sick of that stuff as it is, and resent the news outlets for wasting our time with it.

I'm unhappy with my posts in this topic for various reasons, and don't feel like making the effort to try to salvage things by continuing with it. So I'm withdrawing from it and won't post in it or read it after this.

See you elsewhere on the forum, Cheezeflixz.


Title: Re: RARE RANT - Deal with you whiny bunch of cry baby super sensitive turd hounds!
Post by: Ash on February 10, 2007, 08:19:01 AM
I'm unhappy with my posts in this topic for various reasons,

The Delete or Remove Topic buttons can work wonders.
Believe me...I know.   :wink: