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Title: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: Ash on March 22, 2007, 07:53:31 AM
Take a moment to vote...

I was at the grocery store the other day and was browsing the meat section for a nice steak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steak).
The meat guy was there restocking the meats and as I was looking at the Sirloins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirloin), I asked him, "What's the difference between Top Sirloin and Sirloin?"

He told me that Top Sirloin is the first few cuts from the top and has more flavor.

(http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2380/steak1hd5.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

I chose Rare plus.  I like my steaks a little bloody...but not too much.

So how 'bout you?
How do you like your steak?


Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: Trevor on March 22, 2007, 09:14:27 AM
Elizabeth Hurley asks Bruce Payne in Passenger 57how he would like his steak and he replies: "Bloody".  :twirl:

When I do eat steak, it has to be well done or not at all.  :teddyr:


Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: raj on March 22, 2007, 09:15:02 AM
Medium rare -- with a good beer.  :cheers:


Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: Ash on March 22, 2007, 09:19:57 AM
Elizabeth Hurley asks Bruce Payne in Passenger 57how he would like his steak and he replies: "Bloody".  :twirl:

Dude...
I was flipping through channels the night before last and when I switched it to HBO, Passenger 57 and that very scene you mentioned was on.
What a coincidence!


Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: Menard on March 22, 2007, 09:35:31 AM
Well now, thank you for being considerate enough to include an 'I don't eat meat' option; being that I'm a vegetarian. :tongueout:


Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: CheezeFlixz on March 22, 2007, 10:00:38 AM
Kind of depend on the quality of the meat, I stopped buying meat at the grocery years ago. We raise, feed, baby and nice gentle Angus cow named Betsy for about 18-24 months. Then BOOM!! we shoot her in the head and chopper her up.(Actually anymore I load her on a trailer and take to the slaughter house on hoof and pick her up in wrapped in paper, much quicker.) There is just no comparison in quality. So with that I like Rare Plus to Bloody Rare. We had some nicely marbled 2" thick Ribeye's night  ... it was de-lish!


Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: Ash on March 22, 2007, 10:14:27 AM
I have to admit to you Menard...
There were two reasons I had for writing this thread.

The first was obvious...to find out how people here like their steaks cooked.
The other was to find out who here is a vegetarian or a vegan.

If you don't eat meat, I totally respect that.  
I mean...who am I to tell you what you should and shouldn't eat?

Now please don't get offended, but I've always personally viewed vegetarianism and especially veganism as a psychological disorder or the direct symptom of another psychological disorder within that person's mind.

I'm sure I'll catch hell for saying that.   :wink:

I've talked to both vegetarians and hardcore vegans and I don't buy most of their reasons for not eating meat.
Some people claim that they don't eat meat for environmental, ethical, economical or health reasons...and I respect that too.
Doesn't mean I have to believe it though.

Humans have been eating meat for millions of years.
Millions...of...years...
Why is meat singled out among all of the foods out there?
You don't see anybody claiming to be a meatetarian and swearing off fruits & veggies do you?

The only acceptable and logical reasons I've directly heard from vegetarians and vegans as to why they don't eat meat is that they just don't like the taste of it or it's against their religion.
That is totally understandable to me and I accept that.
There are certain foods I won't eat because I think that they're just plain nasty.
Like Chinese food.

But all of the other reasons they give like economical or ethical objections just don't hold any weight with me.
I firmly believe that people who don't eat meat for those specific reasons suffer from a psychological disorder.

Now I wait for ulthar to come along and rip into me... :tongueout:






Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: Poogie on March 22, 2007, 10:25:50 AM
I like mine medium rare  :smile:


Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: Doc Daneeka on March 22, 2007, 10:28:17 AM
Lot's of vegetarians just don't like the thought of killing animals. Despite living mainly by instinct they still have brains and nerves, unlike plants. And even if we have been doing it for years they see something wrong with it and thus don't do it.

Actually my mom doesn't like it because she thinks it's gross after cooking it after all these years.


Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: Ash on March 22, 2007, 10:42:18 AM
Lot's of vegetarians just don't like the thought of killing animals.

That is totally illogical.
Thanks for inadvertantly reinforcing my point for me.

It's just one of the myriad of reasons vegetarians and vegans give that I don't buy.


Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: fortunato on March 22, 2007, 10:45:56 AM
Um, Well Done is not equivical to being burnt to a crisp.
That aside, I like Top Sirloin steak best when it swims in A1 sauce, well done or medium well, at least.


Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: Doc Daneeka on March 22, 2007, 10:46:55 AM
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That is totally illogical.
Umm, how? Would you like it if someone killed a cat or dog even if they ate it later when there is an alternative? Vegetarians think this way about all animals.


Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: Ash on March 22, 2007, 10:53:10 AM
Umm, how? Would you like it if someone killed a cat or dog even if they ate it later when there is an alternative? Vegetarians think this way about all animals.


And more power to them if that's what they want to think.
Doesn't mean that I think they're right.
In my opinion, it's a weak argument.

Now...where's ulthar?


Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: Doc Daneeka on March 22, 2007, 10:59:41 AM
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And more power to them if that's what they want to think.
Yes, that is what they think
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Doesn't mean that I think they're right.
No it doesn't mean that they're right, but that is how they think and not a psychological disorder
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In my opinion, it's a weak argument.
I can see where you're coming from
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Now...where's ulthar?
Offline because he isn't expecting the "I don't eat meat" option


Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: Ash on March 22, 2007, 11:00:50 AM
Thanks for being open minded...
Unlike the vegetarians and vegans I've had discussions with.

1 karma for you!


Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: CheezeFlixz on March 22, 2007, 11:32:06 AM
Umm, how? Would you like it if someone killed a cat or dog even if they ate it later when there is an alternative? Vegetarians think this way about all animals.

Dog and Cat is widely eaten in parts of Asia (In Honk Kong it's called siopao and it's quite tasty.) and also in some other parts of the world. Just as cute fuzzy little guinea pigs are a tasty treat in South America, and bug are in many parts of the world. Shoot some places still eat people. Go down to the bayou here is the good old USA where Nutria is still widely eaten. In other place around the globe Horses are eaten, Camels and about anything that walks, flies, wiggles, swims etc.

Frankly it doesn't bother me what people eat (as long as I'm not on the menu) and if vegans want to be vegans more power to them. The ONLY complaint I have about vegans and/or vegetarians is when they want to lecture me about the ills of eating meat, that I'm MURDERING animals and animals are people too. (No they're not.) Even the one's that don't wear leather or fur and any thing involving animals that think they should force there lifestyle on the rest of the world just need to put a cork in it.

Don't really have many vegans and/or vegetarians around here as this is BBQ country and beef/chicken/pig/catfish/etc farms are everywhere. So we are mainly meat country.



Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: Menard on March 22, 2007, 11:32:44 AM
You just seriously don't want to open a can of worms with me, Ash.

With regard to the, supposed, eating of meat for 'millions' of years (would have been nice if man had been along long enough to support that theory), primates, of which man is one, have a herbivorous digestive system. A herbivorous digestive system is longer than a carnivorous system (such as that found in canines) and takes longer for food to pass through it in order to digest properly.

Being that man became an animal capable of using fire and tools, he also, eventually, learned that raw meat would cause problems, often associated with spoilage and/or bacterium (he did not know the cause at the time), which could result in illness or death. Consequently, man learned that cooking meat (again, he didn't know why) would make it more acceptable to a primate's digestive system as it destroyed that which could make him ill; at least a good bit of it.

Why then, if man has the digestive system of a herbivore, would he resort to eating meat?

It would be nice if it were Spring year round, but that is not the case. Even in storage, food spoils, including vegetables, and is not readily available during cold and sparse times of the year; but other animals looking for the same food are. Being more of a tribal than migratory animal, man resorted to eating meat as a source of food when it was necessary. All animals, regardless of diegestive necessitations, will resort to eating meat, of their own species or another, when there is no food source available.

Why then, if man is able to more efficiently cultivate, grow, and store non-meat food products, does he continue to eat meat? Well, aside from thousands of years of eating meat in which it has become habitual and customary, man has an inherent bloodlust.

Man was not a meat eating animal out of design, but out of necessity. Man not only slaughtered and ate other animals in order to survive, but his own as well. There is a belief that man has an inherent memory, unconscious, of that early savage which even drank the blood and ate the flesh of his own kind. Every single culture, from tribal to the most modern, of man has folklore of bloodlust; from vampires to zombies, and even werewolves, there is a folklore of man as a savage creature which drinks the blood and devours the flesh of his own kind, harkening back to that unconcious memory of himself when he did it out of necessity.

You talk of mental disorders, Ash. Which sounds more like a mental disorder: giving in to a bloodlust and eating flesh, or not giving in to it?

That being said, I frankly don't eat meat because I don't like the idea of harming animals. I don't wear leather products either. But, that's my own thing; I don't push it off on others because if they want to eat meat and wear leather, that is their own thing and it is fine with me.

One thing you do need to understand about vegetarianism, which even a lot of vegetarians don't understand, is that vegetarianism goes back several thousand years, to at least the time of the Roman Empire. Vegetarian and vegetable have the same root word in latin which is vegetare, and means 'to make healthy'. Vegetarian does not mean someone who lives off of vegetables, but someone who maintains a diet primarily aimed at maintaining one's health.

I do not, however, eat meat, and use the term vegetarian myself to communicate that to others as that is what most people take it to mean and it saves me the breath of explaining it.



Being that you extended this discussion, you so deserve another round of the joke I have posted on this board twice, much to the chagrin of anybody else who has already read it:


Before I became a vegetarian, I did consider cannibalism.

Now it is known that among cannibals that they consider the palm of the hand to be the most delicious part of the human body.

I, however, absolutely would not eat anyone who has ever been to a palm reader.


I just don't like 'read' (red) meat. :tongueout:


Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: Menard on March 22, 2007, 11:36:59 AM
(In Honk Kong it's called siopao and it's quite tasty.)


Do they call it that because they drive a lot of cars there? (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Happy/happy-073.gif)


Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: Menard on March 22, 2007, 11:44:16 AM
Lot's of vegetarians just don't like the thought of killing animals.


That is totally illogical.
Thanks for inadvertantly reinforcing my point for me.

It's just one of the myriad of reasons vegetarians and vegans give that I don't buy.


Would you like for me to define logic for you?

What you just posted was a complete contradiction of terms. Someone does not like the thought of killing animals and therefore does not eat meat follows a logical progression of thought. Suggesting that a logical progression of thought is illogical to you...well, I'll let you name that. (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Tongue/mockery-022.gif)


Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: CheezeFlixz on March 22, 2007, 11:47:54 AM
(In Honk Kong it's called siopao and it's quite tasty.)


Do they call it that because they drive a lot of cars there? ([url]http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Happy/happy-073.gif[/url])


Siopao is a dumpling stuffed with anything really, YES EVEN VEGGIES! but in the slummy areas of Hong Kong they use cat, dog and who knows what else as it's cheap and plentiful. Things like beef are to pricey for the slum areas of Hong Kong. When I would travel to China to work you'd see skinned cat and other critters in the local markets. I learned not to ask what was in the food, I might not want to know.
Some call it a URBAN legend ... ummm no it's not. been there seen it and OMG tried some.


Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: Menard on March 22, 2007, 11:50:58 AM
(In Honk Kong it's called siopao and it's quite tasty.)


Do they call it that because they drive a lot of cars there? ([url]http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Happy/happy-073.gif[/url])


Siopao is a dumpling stuffed with anything really, YES EVEN VEGGIES! but in the slummy areas of Hong Kong they use cat, dog and who knows what else as it's cheap and plentiful. Things like beef are to pricey for the slum areas of Hong Kong. When I would travel to China to work you'd see skinned cat and other critters in the local markets. I learned not to ask what was in the food, I might not want to know.


I meant the typo 'Honk' in Hong Kong. (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Tongue/mockery-022.gif)


Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: CheezeFlixz on March 22, 2007, 12:09:42 PM
I meant the typo 'Honk' in Hong Kong. ([url]http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Tongue/mockery-022.gif[/url])


Keyboard must be acting up again ...(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Confused/confused-12.png)


Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: BeyondTheGrave on March 22, 2007, 12:32:23 PM
I like my steak well done.

On a side note: Being part of the Punk rock scene I have met a fair share of Vegan, Vegetarians and Straight Edge (no sex, drugs and drinking and at one time in the 80s no meat). While their cool doing their own thing (fighting for animal rights and keep a clean living) you do have the bad apples that make everyone look like asses. Like if you eat meat your not a Punk. Last time I heard Punk had no rules and don't tell me what to do. Oh by the way nice leather jacket. Or Straight Edge kids beating up people who drink. Oh yeah your so macho. I'm almost straight edge myself. I don't have sex because I can't get a girl, don't do drugs and really don't drink that much because I don't have money. Straight Edge by default. Its also a fad until you turn 21. :teddyr:

Of course anything that is done like Vegan your always have your fascist like people who think themselves superior to everyone else. But it happens to all groups with some kind of goal. So don't judge the group I always say.


Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: Shadow on March 22, 2007, 12:43:28 PM
I'll take my steaks, preferably a Ribeye or Porterhouse, rare to medium rare depending on the size of the cut and/or what restaurant I am at.


Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: raj on March 22, 2007, 01:39:44 PM
You just seriously don't want to open a can of worms with me, Ash.

With regard to the, supposed, eating of meat for 'millions' of years (would have been nice if man had been along long enough to support that theory), primates, of which man is one, have a herbivorous digestive system. A herbivorous digestive system is longer than a carnivorous system (such as that found in canines) and takes longer for food to pass through it in order to digest properly.


I have to disagree with you here, Menard.  Homo Sapiens are omnivores.  One reason we grew larger brains than our common (with other primates) ancestors was that Homo whateveris (can't recall at the moment) did start eating meat.  Meat's got more calories than veggies, and the human brain uses 20% of each day's intake of calories.  Pre-homo sapien sites where tools have been found also have animal bones that have cut marks from the tools.  I'd say the evidence is clear that we evolved as able to eat just about anything, but meat was part of our diet.  We still are a young species, which is why we still have the digestive system of our vegetarian ancestors.

Still, whyever you eat what you want is fine by me (unless it's dogs.  Just my pet peeve)


~so now I'll get it from the creationists.  :bouncegiggle: ~


Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: Raffine on March 22, 2007, 01:52:21 PM
How's the chicken today?


Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: CheezeFlixz on March 22, 2007, 03:14:52 PM
You just seriously don't want to open a can of worms with me, Ash.

With regard to the, supposed, eating of meat for 'millions' of years (would have been nice if man had been along long enough to support that theory), primates, of which man is one, have a herbivorous digestive system. A herbivorous digestive system is longer than a carnivorous system (such as that found in canines) and takes longer for food to pass through it in order to digest properly.


I have to disagree with you here, Menard.  Homo Sapiens are omnivores.  One reason we grew larger brains than our common (with other primates) ancestors was that Homo whateveris (can't recall at the moment) did start eating meat.  Meat's got more calories than veggies, and the human brain uses 20% of each day's intake of calories.  Pre-homo sapien sites where tools have been found also have animal bones that have cut marks from the tools.  I'd say the evidence is clear that we evolved as able to eat just about anything, but meat was part of our diet.  We still are a young species, which is why we still have the digestive system of our vegetarian ancestors.

Still, whyever you eat what you want is fine by me (unless it's dogs.  Just my pet peeve)


~so now I'll get it from the creationists.  :bouncegiggle: ~

Homo Erectus (sp) is the one you are looking for.

And Chimps (primates) eat meat too. They've been known to hunt down others primates and monkeys for food and EAT them... raw. So that's one vote for raw.


Yes I watch to much Discovery channel.


Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: Menard on March 22, 2007, 03:44:24 PM
You just seriously don't want to open a can of worms with me, Ash.

With regard to the, supposed, eating of meat for 'millions' of years (would have been nice if man had been along long enough to support that theory), primates, of which man is one, have a herbivorous digestive system. A herbivorous digestive system is longer than a carnivorous system (such as that found in canines) and takes longer for food to pass through it in order to digest properly.



I have to disagree with you here, Menard.  Homo Sapiens are omnivores.  One reason we grew larger brains than our common (with other primates) ancestors was that Homo whateveris (can't recall at the moment) did start eating meat.  Meat's got more calories than veggies, and the human brain uses 20% of each day's intake of calories.  Pre-homo sapien sites where tools have been found also have animal bones that have cut marks from the tools.  I'd say the evidence is clear that we evolved as able to eat just about anything, but meat was part of our diet.  We still are a young species, which is why we still have the digestive system of our vegetarian ancestors.

Still, whyever you eat what you want is fine by me (unless it's dogs.  Just my pet peeve)


~so now I'll get it from the creationists.  :bouncegiggle: ~


I said, if you'll bother to read :tongueout:, that we have a herbivorous digestive system. Even with that, man, out of necessity due to survival, became a meat eater. Just because we eat meat does not change our digestive system. We did not evolve to eat meat for, had that been the case, our digestive systems would have evolved into that of a carnivore.

I can point out several veggies, and fruits, and grains which have more calories than meat, ounce for ounce.


Quote from: CheezeFlixz
And Chimps (primates) eat meat too. They've been known to hunt down others primates and monkeys for food and EAT them... raw. So that's one vote for raw.


And yet another thing I said reiterated for my pleasure. All animals have resorted to eating meat when necessary. Hunger does not have a menu whether an animal is a herbivore or carnivore. Dogs, which have a shorter carnivorous digestive tract, will eat plants if that is what is available. Herbivores will resort to eating meat when nothing else is available.


Would anybody else like to repeat something I have already said? (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Tongue/mockery-022.gif) 


Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: RCMerchant on March 22, 2007, 04:48:25 PM
 Whuts fer supper Grampa?!!?
  "Chicken fried steak,turnup greens,blackeyed peas,and hot sauce!!!!"
    YUMMMMMMM-YUM!!!
 
     Actually,I don't like it "chicken fried,"but medium.But the res t is good!


Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: CheezeFlixz on March 22, 2007, 07:01:34 PM
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Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: BoyScoutKevin on March 23, 2007, 11:58:05 AM
It's more like how I would like it, as opposed to how I eat it.

I'd use to like it medium rare, but with all the now more widely known problems that can occur by eating undercooked meat, I'm now eating my meat at medium, so it is cooked all the way through.

Actually, there are some restaurants that will not cook anything less than a medium, unless you specifically ask for it to be cooked less than that.

My father on the other hand, still likes his beef this way: "Wipe the cow's butt off. Thrown the steak on the grill for a second. Turn it over and grill it for another second. Then serve it."


Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: T-Rex Television on March 24, 2007, 12:57:19 AM
I eat mine rare/very rare. MMmmm... just had some steak tips tonight, rare. Probably the rarest i've ever had! I was nearly suffocating on them though, and took forever to chew it, jeez. I thought my jaw was going to fall off.


Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: Mr_Vindictive on March 24, 2007, 11:36:27 AM
I prefer mine medium-well.  I used to order it well done but it seemed that everytime I did, it was completely burnt and nearly non-edible.

I like it to be dark, but with a slight amount of pink in the middle.

Can't stand a steak to be even remotely rare.  I had a girlfriend years back, and she invited me to her house one night for dinner.  They were having steaks.  The steak looked good until I put my fork into it, and the blood began to pour out.  I'm not a complainer, especially in front of a girlfriend's parents.  I ate the steak, and thought I was going to vomit for the rest of the night.  Their whole family ate the steaks that way.  Disgusting.

Just thinking about it makes me sick....

As far as Vegans/Vegetarians go - good for you.  I wish I could only eat vegetables.  At the moment, I eat nearly 0 vegetables.  Can't stand the taste.  I've tried eating salads a few times, and each time has been a horrible experience.  I guess I'm one of those people that Ash said doesn't exist - someone who only eats meat and no vegetables.

Well, except for potatoes.  They are a starch, correct?   :smile:


Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: Menard on March 24, 2007, 12:31:01 PM
As far as Vegans/Vegetarians go - good for you.  I wish I could only eat vegetables.

At times, so do I.

I am what would be considered an ovo-lacto vegetarian; I eat egg and dairy products, just not meat.

I eat plenty of junk food as well, as long as it does not have animal byproducts other than dairy or eggs in it.


The difference between a vegan and vegetarian, generally, is that vegans will eat no animal products; meaning no dairy or egg products or any food containing or derived from such. There are vegetarians who will eat meat, but limit it to strictly fish or white meat sources only.


Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: CheezeFlixz on March 24, 2007, 03:37:31 PM
There are vegetarians who will eat meat, but limit it to strictly fish or white meat sources only.

That's a contradiction of terms, you cannot be a VEGETARIAN and EAT MEAT, it's not possible. Yes I know there is a classification definition of those that do eat meat and call themselves vegetarian. IMHO this is nothing more than a self label to feel good about themselves and say "Oh look at me I'm a vegetarian, but I do eat some meat." That's BS! You either eat meat (regardless of selection) or not, period. What else are they Christians that don't believe in Christ? Tea-totaling non drinkers that only drink beer and wine.  If you eat meat, you eat meat and one must be stripped of the label vegetarian, because they aren't. Hell for that matter I'm a vegetarian too, I just eat some meat like, steak, pork, chicken, fish, turkey, mutton, etc. but I don't eat people, therefore I'm a vegetarian. That's up there in silly things I've heard.

OK I'm done ...


Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: Menard on March 24, 2007, 04:27:30 PM
There are vegetarians who will eat meat, but limit it to strictly fish or white meat sources only.


That's a contradiction of terms, you cannot be a VEGETARIAN and EAT MEAT, it's not possible. Yes I know there is a classification definition of those that do eat meat and call themselves vegetarian. IMHO this is nothing more than a self label to feel good about themselves and say "Oh look at me I'm a vegetarian, but I do eat some meat." That's BS! You either eat meat (regardless of selection) or not, period. What else are they Christians that don't believe in Christ? Tea-totaling non drinkers that only drink beer and wine.  If you eat meat, you eat meat and one must be stripped of the label vegetarian, because they aren't. Hell for that matter I'm a vegetarian too, I just eat some meat like, steak, pork, chicken, fish, turkey, mutton, etc. but I don't eat people, therefore I'm a vegetarian. That's up there in silly things I've heard.

OK I'm done ...


Kind of up there with "Dumb things I have said after reading Menard's post and not paying attention".

So, again, I shall repeat what I had said earlier.


The term vegetarian shares the same root word in Latin as does vegetable, which is 'vegetare'; which means 'to make healthy'. Vegetarian does not mean 'someone who eats vegetables' (regardless of what you may want it to mean). It instead means, by definition, someone whose lifestyle (henceforth: diet) is dedicated to their health; that would be regardless of whether they eat meat or not. The term vegetarian, in modern times, has simply become associated with someone who does not eat meat.

I find that just using the term 'vegetarian' saves me a lot of breath when using it as a term to tell someone that I don't eat meat as that is all that registers in their presumptuous minds when they hear the term.


If you don't mind, could you make a list of the things you want me to repeat from my previous post just to save time. (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Tongue/mockery-022.gif)


Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: CheezeFlixz on March 24, 2007, 05:41:35 PM

Kind of up there with "Dumb things I have said after reading Menard's post and not paying attention".

So, again, I shall repeat what I had said earlier.


The term vegetarian shares the same root word in Latin as does vegetable, which is 'vegetare'; which means 'to make healthy'. Vegetarian does not mean 'someone who eats vegetables' (regardless of what you may want it to mean). It instead means, by definition, someone whose lifestyle (henceforth: diet) is dedicated to their health; that would be regardless of whether they eat meat or not. The term vegetarian, in modern times, has simply become associated with someone who does not eat meat.

I find that just using the term 'vegetarian' saves me a lot of breath when using it as a term to tell someone that I don't eat meat as that is all that registers in their presumptuous minds when they hear the term.


If you don't mind, could you make a list of the things you want me to repeat from my previous post just to save time. ([url]http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Tongue/mockery-022.gif[/url])


So, again, I shall repeat what I had said earlier.

Tomat'oes - to'matoes you said it yourself - MODERN TERMS, since I live in modern times that is the term I use along with 99% of the rest of the world. Now if you want to live in Latin times, more power to you. If you took a poll of what is a vegetarian you'd get a resounding "people that eat only vegetable" answer. And language like the law is based on interpretation and general consensus of the majority. You can split hairs and get technical about it if you wish, if I go to a restaurant and order a vegetarian dish, I've got a $1000, hell I've got $10,000 that says I'll get a dish with NO meat. If I got to the store and buy vegetarian labeled products, guess what it has NO MEAT. It not any gray areas about it. Like I said in modern terms a vegetarian has a non-meat diet. It's not carnivore light, you either are or your aren't.

Repeat yourself all you want, there is NO MEAT in a vegetarian diet regardless of what propaganda the weekend vegetarian want to spread. Even the Vegetarian Society agrees with that and the Mayo Clinic defines vegetarian into 3 groups ...

Vegetarians fall into groups defined by the types of animal-derived foods they eat:

    * Vegans eliminate all foods from animals, including meat, poultry, fish, milk, eggs and cheese. They eat only plant-based foods.
    * Lacto-vegetarians consume milk and milk products along with plant-based foods. They omit eggs as well as meat, fish and poultry.
    * Lacto-ovo vegetarians omit red meat, fish and poultry but eat eggs, milk and milk products, such as cheese and yogurt, in addition to plant-based foods.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/vegetarian-diet/HQ01596 (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/vegetarian-diet/HQ01596)

NOTE that every one OMITTED red meat, fish, poultry ... no exceptions. I'll take the majority and Mayo Clinic over some fringe opinion any day. I found ONE definition in Food Lover's Companion that included fish and chicken, I found tons that did not, Oxford, medical, Barrons, Webster, WordNet and dozens more. Majority rules.

If somebody want to be a vegetarian, great happy for you. More meat for me, but I'm not buying that some vegetarians eat meat sometimes and remain true to their convictions. You either eat meat or you don't.



Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: Menard on March 24, 2007, 06:21:26 PM

Kind of up there with "Dumb things I have said after reading Menard's post and not paying attention".

So, again, I shall repeat what I had said earlier.


The term vegetarian shares the same root word in Latin as does vegetable, which is 'vegetare'; which means 'to make healthy'. Vegetarian does not mean 'someone who eats vegetables' (regardless of what you may want it to mean). It instead means, by definition, someone whose lifestyle (henceforth: diet) is dedicated to their health; that would be regardless of whether they eat meat or not. The term vegetarian, in modern times, has simply become associated with someone who does not eat meat.

I find that just using the term 'vegetarian' saves me a lot of breath when using it as a term to tell someone that I don't eat meat as that is all that registers in their presumptuous minds when they hear the term.


If you don't mind, could you make a list of the things you want me to repeat from my previous post just to save time. ([url]http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Tongue/mockery-022.gif[/url])


So, again, I shall repeat what I had said earlier.

Tomat'oes - to'matoes you said it yourself - MODERN TERMS, since I live in modern times that is the term I use along with 99% of the rest of the world. Now if you want to live in Latin times, more power to you. If you took a poll of what is a vegetarian you'd get a resounding "people that eat only vegetable" answer. And language like the law is based on interpretation and general consensus of the majority. You can split hairs and get technical about it if you wish, if I go to a restaurant and order a vegetarian dish, I've got a $1000, hell I've got $10,000 that says I'll get a dish with NO meat. If I got to the store and buy vegetarian labeled products, guess what it has NO MEAT. It not any gray areas about it. Like I said in modern terms a vegetarian has a non-meat diet. It's not carnivore light, you either are or your aren't.

Repeat yourself all you want, there is NO MEAT in a vegetarian diet regardless of what propaganda the weekend vegetarian want to spread. Even the Vegetarian Society agrees with that and the Mayo Clinic defines vegetarian into 3 groups ...

Vegetarians fall into groups defined by the types of animal-derived foods they eat:

    * Vegans eliminate all foods from animals, including meat, poultry, fish, milk, eggs and cheese. They eat only plant-based foods.
    * Lacto-vegetarians consume milk and milk products along with plant-based foods. They omit eggs as well as meat, fish and poultry.
    * Lacto-ovo vegetarians omit red meat, fish and poultry but eat eggs, milk and milk products, such as cheese and yogurt, in addition to plant-based foods.

[url]http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/vegetarian-diet/HQ01596[/url] ([url]http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/vegetarian-diet/HQ01596[/url])

NOTE that every one OMITTED red meat, fish, poultry ... no exceptions. I'll take the majority and Mayo Clinic over some fringe opinion any day. I found ONE definition in Food Lover's Companion that included fish and chicken, I found tons that did not, Oxford, medical, Barrons, Webster, WordNet and dozens more. Majority rules.

If somebody want to be a vegetarian, great happy for you. More meat for me, but I'm not buying that some vegetarians eat meat sometimes and remain true to their convictions. You either eat meat or you don't.




You can quote a consensus of stupid people who choose to stereotype everything they don't understand and call it a definition all that you want.


Our history is littered with misquotes and misunderstandings:

Fulton's steamboat was not called the Clermont, it's destination was Clermont. Nor did he invent the steamboat (that would be John Fitch).

Bogart never said 'Play it again Sam', he said 'Play it Sam'.


Many misunderstandings have been taught in schools, printed in encyclopedias, and simply handed down. Just because people believe it, does not make it so. Believe all you want that Bogart said 'Play it again Sam', but the next time you watch Casablanca he is still going to say 'Play it Sam'.


Regardless of what you want to believe about a stereotyped misunderstanding of a term, and might I mention 'lifestyle', does not make it so. If I want to understand a Buddhist, I would ask a Buddhist and not you. I can certainly guarantee you that I know more about my lifestyle and vegetarianism than you do.

(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Tongue/mockery-056.gif)


P.S. I do, slightly  :tongueout:, agree with you on one point. I have had people try to tell me that fish is not meat, and it is okay for me to eat it :question:. I frankly never understood that, but each to their own. I guess it is my personal opinion that fish are animals, and meat, even though I have had others argue with me vehemently to the contrary.


Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: CheezeFlixz on March 24, 2007, 07:31:41 PM
Quote from: Menard
consensus of stupid people

That's would include the Mayo Clinic, Websters, Oxford Unabridged, WordNet, American Heritage Stedman's Medical Dictionary, Cognitive Science Laboratory at Princeton University, American Medical Association, USDA, to name a very few ... yeah I'll hang with those "stupid people".
 
Steamboats and Casablanca are nothing but diversions, please.

BUT, it's good to see that "slightly, agree" on one point that fish don't grown on vines.











Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: Menard on March 24, 2007, 08:46:17 PM
BUT, it's good to see that "slightly, agree" on one point that fish don't grown on vines.

 :teddyr:


Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: dean on March 24, 2007, 09:49:07 PM

All this talk about vegetables and vegans and "Weekend Vegetarians" got me thinking of a funny quote I heard when I saw a movie called Shortbus two weeks ago:

"These people spend all night sucking cock and eating ass, and then hit the buffet claiming they're vegan."

 :buggedout:


Title: Re: How Do You Like Your Steak?
Post by: RCMerchant on March 25, 2007, 07:12:03 PM
  Would flesh eating zombies be considered "humanitarians"? :question: