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Title: Pink Flamingos. . .
Post by: ghouck on April 06, 2007, 04:58:28 PM
All I can say is weird, weird, weird. .. I've never seen so much un-appealing nudity in my entire life. It was like someone ate a bunch of cheap porno movies, an episode of Jerry Springer, Some LSD and some members of the cast of "Deliverance", and puked it all onto film. The WORST part of the movie is that the ending scene had NO special effects involved. . .

Anyways, It's on the "50 films to see before you die" list, , , which I'm trying to get through, , , and this film, , ,hopefully, , , means the worst is over. . .


Title: Re: Pink Flamingos. . .
Post by: SaintMort on April 07, 2007, 12:56:48 AM
It's a love or hate film... I personally love it.

I love all of John Waters work though... the man is the king of shock and he will never be topped. Pink Flamingos I remember watching for the first time and I was like "this is so gross... oh my god" the second it was over though... I wanted to watch it again, and again, and again. That's how Mr. Waters gets you.

In all honestly from listening ot his commentary tracks, college talks and interviews he seems like one of hte nicest and most down to earth directors out there.


Title: Re: Pink Flamingos. . .
Post by: The Burgomaster on April 07, 2007, 06:12:23 AM
This is one of my all-time cult favorites. 


Title: Re: Pink Flamingos. . .
Post by: RCMerchant on April 07, 2007, 06:52:49 AM
Disgusting.Gross. No morals. The only reason for this piece of sh!t movie to have been made was to revolt and offend.
        Of course,I thought it was great. :thumbup:


Title: Re: Pink Flamingos. . .
Post by: Andrew on April 07, 2007, 06:53:38 AM
For me, this is a very painful movie.  It is definitely art by my definition.  Art inspires strong feelings in people and this one causes revulsion, pain, and a general feeling of WITHAIWT (Why in the heck am I watching this?) in me.  Do I really need to see a transvestite licking everything it can, including another actor?  No.  Oh, dear goodness, no.  Ditto with a man brutalizing a woman and stuffing a unhappy chicken between their naked bodies.  Again, please make it stop.

Of course, the final disgusting vision is that same large transvestite picking up and eating dog crap for no reason.

I have used this film against people a couple of times.  Once, it caused a wrestling match (with no few punches thrown) in the middle of the living room floor.


Title: Re: Pink Flamingos. . .
Post by: Ash on April 07, 2007, 12:39:19 PM
Of course, the final disgusting vision is that same large transvestite picking up and eating dog crap for no reason.


You mean this scene?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOMrslEMp94     :tongueout:
(Warning!  Watch at your own risk!)

I've only managed to catch bits & pieces of this film but what I did see was just plain bad.  


Title: Re: Pink Flamingos. . .
Post by: Shadow on April 07, 2007, 12:48:55 PM
I had always heard about that ending, but had never seen it.

Thank you, Ash. Thank you so very much. And here I thought I was almost done with the therapy sessions. :teddyr:


Title: Re: Pink Flamingos. . .
Post by: SaintMort on April 07, 2007, 11:14:22 PM
The dog poop scene is NOTHING compared to the rest of this fantastic movie


Title: Re: Pink Flamingos. . .
Post by: Raffine on April 08, 2007, 12:40:38 AM
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Ditto with a man brutalizing a woman and stuffing a unhappy chicken between their naked bodies.

Waters says the cast ate the chicken after shooting that scene, so it's all good.  :smile:



Title: Re: Pink Flamingos. . .
Post by: Ash on April 08, 2007, 01:19:54 AM
Ugh!
I watched that crap eating scene again and I cannot watch it without gagging.
I have to turn away lest I blow chunks all over my monitor & computer desk. 
Gross! 

I've heard that Divine actually ate that dog's feces in that scene.
Sick sh*t!   :buggedout:


Title: Re: Pink Flamingos. . .
Post by: Fausto on April 08, 2007, 10:01:00 AM
I've heard that Divine actually ate that dog's feces in that scene.
Sick sh*t!


According to what Waters was saying in a featurette about the film, the dog was fed nothing but steak for three days beforehand. Did I just cause a bunch of people to vomit spontaneously? Good. I've always appreciated this film for being what it is - an exercise in bad taste. If it werent for cult movies like this, they wouldnt get away with half of what they do in movies nowadays.  :teddyr:


Title: Re: Pink Flamingos. . .
Post by: SaintMort on April 10, 2007, 12:16:44 AM
The biggest reason the movie was made was in response to Deep Throat which had caused such a controversy that they were arresting the cast for Indecency so The Water's Crew decided to see how far they could push the limits (infact the Divine BlowJob was done specifically to mock Deep Throat)


Title: Re: Pink Flamingos. . .
Post by: ghouck on April 10, 2007, 11:50:20 AM
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The biggest reason the movie was made was in response to Deep Throat

Lol, , , "Mind if I smoke while you eat?", , ,one of the funniest line's I've ever heard in a movie. . .


Title: Re: Pink Flamingos. . .
Post by: Torgo on April 10, 2007, 06:17:54 PM
All I'll ever say that whenever I hear the song "How much is that doggie in the window" jingle, I have flashbacks to the final scene in this film.    :buggedout:


Title: Re: Pink Flamingos. . .
Post by: KYGOTC on April 23, 2007, 12:16:10 PM
A good friend of mine has this and says that I need to see it, but he wont tel me what its about. All i know about it is its packed with de-rousing (is that a word?) nudity. What does it have to do with Pink flamingos?


Title: Re: Pink Flamingos. . .
Post by: Allhallowsday on April 24, 2007, 12:34:29 AM
What does it have to do with Pink flamingos?
You'll see.   All kidding aside this film is a disgusting shocker, not for the easily offended, and, eh, hilarious if, say, you can appreciate punk rock. 


Title: Re: Pink Flamingos. . .
Post by: Coffin Joe on April 24, 2007, 04:14:02 AM
The bird...is the word.


Title: Re: Pink Flamingos. . .
Post by: MoronBoy on April 24, 2007, 07:15:29 PM
Did you see her smile to the camera? Is this the origin of the phrase "$#*@ eating grin"?


Title: Re: Pink Flamingos. . .
Post by: Allhallowsday on April 24, 2007, 10:52:47 PM
I saw Harris Glen Milstead (Divine) on the Tom Snyder show in the late 1970s.  He confirmed to having eaten dog excrement for that shot in the film, and claimed that shortly thereafter to have contracted hepatitis.  Since the shot is apparently in one take, there is little doubt as to who earned the title of "filthiest person alive," which is what that film was all about.  A truly Punk statement, and inevitable stomach churner.


Title: Re: Pink Flamingos. . .
Post by: Andrew on April 24, 2007, 10:57:39 PM
Did you see her smile to the camera? Is this the origin of the phrase "$#*@ eating grin"?

I saw Harris Glen Milstead (Divine) on the Tom Snyder show in the late 1970s.  He confirmed to having eaten dog excrement for that shot in the film, and claimed that shortly thereafter to have contracted hepatitis.  Since the shot is apparently in one take, there is little doubt as to who earned the title of "filthiest person alive," which is what that film was all about.  A truly Punk statement, and inevitable stomach churner.

The more I think about it, the more it becomes clear that this film is not healthy for anyone.  Not the people who made it, not the people who paid for it, and certainly not those of us who have watched it.  There is probably a rare form of cancer associated with exposure to this film.

Welcome aboard MoronBoy.  (Why do people insist on picking names that cause my friendly greetings to come across as insulting?)


Title: Re: Pink Flamingos. . .
Post by: Allhallowsday on April 24, 2007, 11:10:18 PM
The more I think about it, the more it becomes clear that this film is not healthy for anyone.  Not the people who made it, not the people who paid for it, and certainly not those of us who have watched it.  There is probably a rare form of cancer associated with exposure to this film.

BAD movie!  BAD! 

Welcome aboard MoronBoy.  (Why do people insist on picking names that cause my friendly greetings to come across as insulting?)
 
Thanks for the good laugh.   :twirl:


Title: Re: Pink Flamingos. . .
Post by: DodgingGrunge on April 25, 2007, 11:51:07 AM
It is definitely art by my definition.  Art inspires strong feelings in people and this one causes revulsion, pain, and a general feeling of WITHAIWT (Why in the heck am I watching this?) in me.

Andrew hit it perfectly.  In fact, in 1976 Pink Flamingos was featured in the Bicentennial Salute to American Film Comedy at the Museum of Modern Art in New York.

John Waters is from the Andy Warhol school of exploitation cinema, espousing the virtues of maximalist satire and leftist values.  His tactics are disturbing, to be sure, but behind the absurdity is brilliance.  As with any good piece of literature, merely examining the surface is not enough.  John Waters' allegories may be a bit harder to find than F. Scott Fitzgerald's, but that's because most viewers are preconditioned by Fox Specials to look at shocking footage as nothing more than a Coney Island attraction.  Waters, Warhol, Peckinpah, Meyer, Bunnel and other renegade directors decided to exploit our curiosity for the disturbing to provide a message we'd otherwise be too bored to deal with.

And if you saw it and hated it and have drafted multiple death threats to the care of John Waters for having made it, think about this:  Thanks to the pioneers of trash there are no boundaries or limits in modern cinema.  This means that everybody from Full Moon Video to Disney are free to tackle adult concepts in an adult way (i.e. boobies, violence, language, etc).  Movies like Taxi Driver, Godfather, Demonic Toys (haha) could never have been made otherwise.


Title: Re: Pink Flamingos. . .
Post by: zombiedudeman on April 26, 2007, 11:53:39 AM
I love this movie  :thumbup: I found it hilarious, one of the best comedies ever. The term for this kinda stuff is "transgressive art".


Title: Re: Pink Flamingos. . .
Post by: Raffine on April 26, 2007, 03:21:23 PM
However, John Waters' masterpiece is FEMALE TROUBLE.


Title: Re: Pink Flamingos. . .
Post by: Torgo on April 26, 2007, 08:12:31 PM
I will say this about Pink Flamingos.  It's definitely a movie that you'll never, ever forget for better or for worse.

There's a John Waters DVD box set that's out now that I want to get that has the SE of Pink Flamingos in it.   


Title: Re: Pink Flamingos. . .
Post by: KYGOTC on April 26, 2007, 09:51:28 PM
However, John Waters' masterpiece is FEMALE TROUBLE.

Man, i missed my chance to buy this when I used to work at this grocery store. It was the VHS verion, but it was really cheap. DAMN! O well. Perhaps Ill hunt down the dvd after I get "The Ghastly Ones".


Title: Re: Pink Flamingos. . .
Post by: peter johnson on April 27, 2007, 12:37:58 AM
A dissenting viewpoint:
You never actually see the poo come out of the dog.  Yes, you see the dog squatting, and John Waters has always insisted that Divine is really eating really doggy doo -- but I simply don't believe it.  Watch:  Divine actually scoops up something already on the sidewalk above the dog and to the right.  It's a classic magicians' trick of deception and sleight of hand --
peter johnson/denny crane


Title: Re: Pink Flamingos. . .
Post by: ghouck on April 27, 2007, 01:47:11 AM
Not from where I sit. . .What I saw was a dog crapping onto what appears to be an already formed pile of crap. Then, Divine indescriminately grabs pretty much the entire pile and shoves it into his mouth. Even if the already formed pile was not crap, it stil got crapped on and there was no seperation of the newly crapped portion and the already formed fake crap. They were also a bit adamant about it being "The Real Deal". I'm convinced it was legit. . .


Title: Re: Pink Flamingos. . .
Post by: zombiedudeman on April 27, 2007, 08:20:24 PM
that crap was definitley for reals, I never got shocked by it too much though cause I saw hardcore crap eating in the GG Allin "Hated" documentary before I saw Pink Flamingos, that documentary desensitized me to a lot of things in life


Title: Re: Pink Flamingos. . .
Post by: peter johnson on April 28, 2007, 12:08:56 AM
     Okay, so I guess I have to see it again on the big screen, but if you watch the YouTube segment, Divine first grabs a bit of something on the sidewalk ABOVE the dog's butt in the shot, up and to the right of where the dog is sitting.  This is what she already has in her hand when she starts waving around the dog's butt.
     If you are already holding something in your hand, you can keep it there and smack into other piles of whatever & make it LOOK as if you're scooping something up, but really aren't, and the only thing actually in your hand at the end that you actually stick in your mouth is what you picked up in the first place:  A tootsie-roll, a bit of chocolate biscuit, etc.
     It would have been far more convincing if she had actually stuck her hand beneath the dog.  That isn't what she does.  She's waving her hands all around the area where the dog is sitting in a distracting fashion.
     Divine doesn't actually pick up a "Pile" of ANYTHING -- There's only that one little bit of "something" that she chews at and spits out & makes a big deal about getting nauseous over -- Fake nausea being a recurring theme in ALL of Waters' movies from Crybaby to you-name-it.
     I watched it again and it still looks like sleight of hand to me --
     Any actual stage magicians out there care to comment?
     And, yes, OF COURSE Waters & Co. all still insist it was for real -- It's a great story!!  It's a story that first helped seal Waters' reputation.
     I've been reading about the doggy-doo eating since 1969, and somehow the story changes slightly & gets a bit better each time.  In his earlier interviews, Waters never says the poo-eating was real.  What he says instead is that "we were young!" and out to shock.  I know he succeeded, but the whole story about Divine claiming to have gotten hepatitis from it, etc., cannot be found in any older interview, only newer ones.
peter sceptic/denny skeptic


Title: Re: Pink Flamingos. . .
Post by: Allhallowsday on April 28, 2007, 12:56:03 AM
     And, yes, OF COURSE Waters & Co. all still insist it was for real -- It's a great story!!  It's a story that first helped seal Waters' reputation.
     I've been reading about the doggy-doo eating since 1969, and somehow the story changes slightly & gets a bit better each time.  In his earlier interviews, Waters never says the poo-eating was real.  What he says instead is that "we were young!" and out to shock.  I know he succeeded, but the whole story about Divine claiming to have gotten hepatitis from it, etc., cannot be found in any older interview, only newer ones.
peter sceptic/denny skeptic
It doesn't seem so interesting a story to me!  Sorry, Sceptic Skeptic, but I saw Divine myself on Tom Snyder's Tomorrow Show probably before 1980 (it went off the air in 1981).  Divine may have lied, but I wouldn't make it up; he claimed to have consumed dog doo and extracted an illness later.   I did not look at the youtube clip, but would if seriously interested.  I don't know anyone who ever doubted that Divine consumed dog doo for that shot who ever looked at it.  Afterall, the film was rated X back in the old days, and I expect it still would be in all states today.  I am a born skeptic yet never doubted Divine did it; one has to merely look at the film to confirm it.  I hope Divine didn't do it, but I saw the interview, so, call him a liar.  The most amazing thing to me is what people think is impossible. 


Title: Re: Pink Flamingos. . .
Post by: peter johnson on April 28, 2007, 07:18:42 PM
Okay, for sure --
Perhaps Divine really did eat actual dog doo in the scene -- The fact she SAYS she did means nothing at all -- by 1980/81, this was a majorly famous film segment, especailly with Punk coming on strong in mainstream America.
As I said, I need to rewatch this on a big screen 35mm presentation, and not on YouTube.  On YouTube, it frankly looks fake as hell -- I hope that it looks more real from an actual print.
Just to be redundant:  It LOOKS like Divine is eating a dog turd -- but if you examine the scene as shot, there are numerous reasons to believe she did not --
peter j/denny c


Title: Re: Pink Flamingos. . .
Post by: peter johnson on April 29, 2007, 11:56:30 PM
John Waters and Divine didn't address the "reality" of the scene until many years after the fact --
Uri Geller always insisted that he bent spoons for "real", until being unmasked by James Randi.
The fact that something "looks real to you" or that someone says something is "real" means nothing at all. 
As someone who knows and has worked with stage magicians for many years, I gotta say that as presented on YouTube, the scene has many reasons to be questioned as possibly fake.
Doesn't it strike anyone as odd that Divine doesn't just put her hand under the dog's butt and scoop up?  She doesn't do that.  She wave her hands all over the scene -- whenever anyone does that, it means usually that someone is "palming" something.  In this case, the "palming" could be that of a fake turd.
peter j/denny c.


Title: Re: Pink Flamingos. . .
Post by: SaintMort on April 30, 2007, 11:30:31 AM
I'm not going to lie... I can't not believe that it was real. You watch pink flamingos and so much more of the stuff is real... eating dog s**t is kinda mild in comparison


Title: Re: Pink Flamingos. . .
Post by: Allhallowsday on April 30, 2007, 12:05:10 PM
The biggest reason the movie was made was in response to Deep Throat which had caused such a controversy that they were arresting the cast for Indecency so The Water's Crew decided to see how far they could push the limits (infact the Divine BlowJob was done specifically to mock Deep Throat)
That's debatable as PINK FLAMINGOS was released in March 1972; DEEP THROAT was released in June 1972 (according to the imdb). 

I'm not going to lie... I can't not believe that it was real. You watch pink flamingos and so much more of the stuff is real... eating dog s**t is kinda mild in comparison
Agreed. 


Title: Re: Pink Flamingos. . .
Post by: SaintMort on April 30, 2007, 06:14:27 PM
the Blowjob thing is stated by Waters in the commentary track... he says it was one of the last things he shot


Title: Re: Pink Flamingos. . .
Post by: Hunky Magoo on May 01, 2007, 05:40:57 AM
John Waters is defenetly a member of the Cult Film/B-Movie  Rat Pack


Title: Re: Pink Flamingos. . .
Post by: batty007 on May 01, 2007, 07:43:56 AM
John Waters is the Voltaire of our generation. He writes good satire, and good satire is always painful to watch. The truth hurts doesn't it?