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Title: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: The Burgomaster on May 05, 2007, 04:48:09 PM
Saw it today.  Sam Raimi does it again.  Hugely entertaining, with a fabulous battle at the end.  Bruce Campbell has a hilarious role as a maitre d in a French restaurant (he reminded me of John Cleese in several Monty Python skits).  Stan Lee shows up again, to help you remember where this all started.   :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: Him on May 05, 2007, 05:12:26 PM
I thought Spider-man 3 was better than the first 2, but that's not saying much. I didn't really like the first 2.

In this movie an alien parasite comes to earth and infects Peter Parker. In my opinion the parasite made a vast improvement on Parker. He became a much more realistic character.

Then there's the sandman. A cool character, but somewhat inconsistant. One minute he's the size of a regular man, and the next minute he's the size of King Kong.

and lastly, there's the Green Goblin's son. How does a guy die several times in one movie and then keep coming back to life?


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: daveblackeye15 on May 05, 2007, 09:56:11 PM
Probably should have been put in the good movie board but who cares?

I love this movie, I really do but Spider-Man 2 is my personal favorite of the three.

It's been a while since I've wanted to re-watch a movie in the theater.


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: AnubisVonMojo on May 05, 2007, 10:48:01 PM
Then there's the sandman. A cool character, but somewhat inconsistant. One minute he's the size of a regular man, and the next minute he's the size of King Kong.

Well, his mass varied with the amount of sand around him. Before the attack on the armored car, he injected himself into the back of a trailer full of sand, hence why he was much larger. In the end, same thing, as he became the sand/dirt/whatever of the construction site.

What I wanna know is (a) if he can mold his body to his preference, why not just change his appearance all together? It might be easier to be a fugitive if you don't actually look like the guy on your wanted posters. (b) How was he able to shed tears? From what I can understand, he was made entirely out of sand particles, so where'd the moisture for those dewy eyes come from?

Otherwise, I really dug the movie and the theater couldn't stop laughing at Bruce Campbell's (thanfully) extended part in this one.  :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: DodgingGrunge on May 06, 2007, 09:07:06 PM
Don't forget good ol' loyal-as-a-dog Ted Raimi's bit.  He always gets the lowliest parts.  Haha.  I cheered when he came on and the teenagers making out to my left stopped, momentarily, and looked at me like I was crazy.  Oh well.


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: venomx on May 06, 2007, 10:55:16 PM
 What the ... who made this movie? I love Venom I have the symbiote shirt, models, cups, posters ... Oh and Venom is going to be on the big screen I cant wait !!! ... *SPOILER* ... I had seen it tonight It sucks. Its for kids. Venom looks like Venom for like 1 min in the whole damm movie. What a let down for me that is. And Green Goblin's son is such a geek. Spiderman cant kill the symbiote Venom what the hell. Topher Grace as Venom was a bad call too. Also Im sick of Tobey Maguire crying like a B@#%$. Boo $#@#%#@ Hoo. Hahaha what a JOKE. Also when Tobey Maguire was turning bad from the symbiote he looked so damm funny kinda like a skateboard punk. Sam Raimi read the damm comics or watch the cartoons before you even make more movies again. Please!
You dont know how bad I wanted Venom to rip the flesh right off of Spiderman's crying face !
EDIT - Topher Grace did play his part good. But thats not the way it was in the comics or the cartoons.
So If you like VENOM like I do you will be let down hard trust me. To : Sam Raimi thanks for making Venom look so weak.
(http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/6852/venom3qg7.jpg)


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: Joe on May 07, 2007, 04:34:32 AM
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What the ... who made this movie? I love Venom I have the symbiote shirt, models, cups, posters ... Oh and Venom is going to be on the big screen I cant wait !!! ... spoiler ... I seen it tonight It sucks. Its for kids. Venom looks like Venom for like 1 min in the whole damm movie. What a let down for me that is. And Green Goblin's son is such geek. Look, really Spiderman cant kill the symbiote Venom. Topher Grace as Venom was a bad call too. Also Im sick of Tobey Maguire crying like a B@#%$. Boo $#@#%#@ Hoo. Hahaha
You dont know how bad I wanted Venom to rip the flesh right off of Spiderman's face !


(slaps forehead) i agree venom didnt get enough screen time but topher played him well. sam raimi wasnt going to do venom but it was suggested by (i forget who) to put venom in there.


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: akiratubo on May 07, 2007, 05:40:24 AM
I was going to see this today, but my friend saw it yesterday and warned me off of it until it hits the dollar theater.  He and I usually agree on movies but, I may go catch it today anyway.


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: DodgingGrunge on May 07, 2007, 11:19:22 AM
sam raimi wasnt going to do venom but it was suggested by (i forget who) to put venom in there.

The invention of Venom is a great, albeit overly-dramatic, way to show Peter Parker's means of handling power and fame.  In the comic series it is the point where Peter Parker begins to fully realize just what being Spiderman means.  Personal growth.  Haha.

*SPOILER*
Of course, I've never been a big fan of Venom either and I can understand why he was killed off.  Too many damn spiders for one small franchise.   :teddyr:


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: AnubisVonMojo on May 07, 2007, 01:14:38 PM
*SPOILER*
Of course, I've never been a big fan of Venom either and I can understand why he was killed off.  Too many damn spiders for one small franchise.   :teddyr:

You mean in the movie or in the comics? Movie-wise you know he's not dead, because there's no way one of Harry's pumpkin bombs (which did little more than melt the side of his face upon exploding right next to him) managed to turn Brock and the symbiote into a small pile of burning gunk. Meanwhile, in the comics, though Eddie Brock has been diagnosed with cancer, the symbiote currently resides with Max Gargan, the guy who was the Scorpion for 40 or so years first and is now an active member of the government controlled Thunderbolts team.


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: DodgingGrunge on May 07, 2007, 02:41:17 PM
Movie-wise you know he's not dead, because there's no way one of Harry's pumpkin bombs (which did little more than melt the side of his face upon exploding right next to him) managed to turn Brock and the symbiote into a small pile of burning gunk.

Yeah, come to think of it I was speaking prematurely.  There is no precedent in the annals of film to suggest that a character dying means they are actually dead.  Although I do recall seeing Topher's ribcage turn to dust in that explosion.  Personally I feel that if Raimi continues making the Spiderman movies Venom will stay dead, because as I stated before, the narrow focus of the films doesn't leave much room for multiple spiderish things.  Filmgoers are too easily confused.  Especially the filmgoers that only turn out for movies with big explosions.  :lookingup:

Of course, I didn't mean for my comments on the film to have any implications on the merits or direction of the comics.  That is a completely different realm and it is easy enough to keep things separated.


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: venomx on May 07, 2007, 03:57:21 PM
 It is easy to keep things separated. Movies Comics Cartoons. But when a Director makes a movie so different from the original character that I know it sucks. I dont even want to see it again. *SPOILER* Did you know Venoms name was not even muttered in the movie once? A pumpkin bomb kills Venom. What the hell !? ... tagline - A strange black entity? whats that lol? ... anyway ... Sandman was cool Im happy with that part but PLEASE Tobey Maguire keep the mask on your face you look like a corn ball with it half ripped off just rip the rest off next time. look Im just mad because my character Venom looked like a B#@%$ in this movie. Venom is stronger then any character in any Spiderman the movies. Venoms physical power is off the chart. But not in this movie. You know what ... This reminds me of Super Mario bros. the movie. why you ask? Mario the game? whats that? lets make a movie about it then. The Director was on some kind of bad drugs hahahaha. To the Directors - Please research on your characters next time! I mean look what they did to HULK and Street Fighter the movie. Hollywood please get some new Directors this is why sales drop so fast.


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: Jim H on May 07, 2007, 04:46:16 PM
*SPOILER*
Of course, I've never been a big fan of Venom either and I can understand why he was killed off.  Too many damn spiders for one small franchise.   :teddyr:

You mean in the movie or in the comics? Movie-wise you know he's not dead, because there's no way one of Harry's pumpkin bombs (which did little more than melt the side of his face upon exploding right next to him) managed to turn Brock and the symbiote into a small pile of burning gunk. Meanwhile, in the comics, though Eddie Brock has been diagnosed with cancer, the symbiote currently resides with Max Gargan, the guy who was the Scorpion for 40 or so years first and is now an active member of the government controlled Thunderbolts team.

Apparently, they've been hinting about the Symbiote and Brock getting back together.  One can only hope, as the the current Venom is incredibly lame.


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: Torgo on May 07, 2007, 05:59:27 PM
Don't forget good ol' loyal-as-a-dog Ted Raimi's bit.  He always gets the lowliest parts.  Haha.  I cheered when he came on and the teenagers making out to my left stopped, momentarily, and looked at me like I was crazy.  Oh well.

Have you seen The Man With The Screaming Brain yet?  Ted Raimi has a starring role in that one. While not a good movie by any means, it's entertaining and a must for fans of Ted Raimi Bruce Campbell.


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: Torgo on May 07, 2007, 06:01:28 PM
BTW, I give Spiderman III  a 7 out of 10. 

It's not quite as good the 1st movie and not nearly as good as the second, but I was entertained.

They had enough damn plot threads to fill 3 movies and I hated how little Venom was in the movie and really can't see how they'll bring him back due to what happens.


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: Mr_Vindictive on May 07, 2007, 06:08:11 PM
My wife, daughter and I caught it yesterday.  I went into it with low expectations after reading the somewhat lackluster reviews, but I was pleasantly surprised.  I think I actually like it better than the first two.

I loved Thomas Haden Church as Sandman.  He seriously looked the part of Flint Marko and the special effects with his character were superb.

I also really liked Topher Grace as Venom.  His character was suitably sleazy and he fit in quite well.  I think I could actually see him as Spiderman.

Also liked Bryce Dallas Howard here despite loathing her in most of the other films I had seen her in.  She's never really struck me as being that good of an actress but she does quite a good job here and is gorgeous.

My wife and I both cheered at Stan Winston and Bruce Campbell's cameos.  The others in the theater had no idea why we were cheering....what a sad sad world.


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: Torgo on May 07, 2007, 06:13:13 PM

My wife and I both cheered at Stan Winston and Bruce Campbell's cameos.  The others in the theater had no idea why we were cheering....what a sad sad world.


All of the people I went to see Spidey 3 just let out a single "BRUCE!" when he appeared on screen.  We didn't plan it and it just kind of happened.    :teddyr:

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Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: DodgingGrunge on May 07, 2007, 06:59:13 PM
Have you seen The Man With The Screaming Brain yet?  Ted Raimi has a starring role in that one. While not a good movie by any means, it's entertaining and a must for fans of Ted Raimi Bruce Campbell.

But of course!  Haha.  It was great seeing Ted as a major character for a change and his "robot" dance was priceless.  I had a lot of fun with Screaming Brain, but there was a small voice in the back of my head nagging me throughout, muttering something along the lines of, "Why did they make this?"  But luckily I only listen to the first three voices in my head at any one time.


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: DodgingGrunge on May 07, 2007, 07:04:19 PM
I loved Thomas Haden Church as Sandman.  He seriously looked the part of Flint Marko and the special effects with his character were superb.

For some reason I've always loved Thomas Haden Church.  He was marvelously smarmy in Demon Knight.  Hell, I even sat through a season of Ned and Stacey!  Haha.  And I agree he was great as Sandman.


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: Torgo on May 07, 2007, 07:27:38 PM


For some reason I've always loved Thomas Haden Church.  He was marvelously smarmy in Demon Knight.  Hell, I even sat through a season of Ned and Stacey!  Haha.  And I agree he was great as Sandman.
Don't forget his hilarious turn in Sideways.


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: daveblackeye15 on May 07, 2007, 08:30:23 PM

The only things I dislike were *spoilers*



MJ got kidnapped again.

Not enough Venom. Now I'm not a Venom fan boy, I'm a fan of Venom when he's done right. And Venom was different but done very well in this movie. Tropher Grace rocks, he was crazy but in the quiet way.

I loved Harry Osborn, he made a great villain. They did Sandman justice too, one of my faves. One of the best scenes is when he starts to reform himself for the first time after getting his powers.


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: The Burgomaster on May 07, 2007, 09:33:53 PM
I guess I'm not as disappointed in Venom as most people seem to be.  Probably because he was introduced in Spider-Man comics after I stopped collecting them.  I was into Spider-Man (and most Marvel Comics) from around 1970 to the mid 1980s or so.  Now I buy back issues on Ebay or at comic book stores from time-to-time, but I mostly buy issues from the 1960s and 70s.  I could relate to the Sandman because he showed up quite a bit in the comics I used to read (I remember him in some nice battles with other superheroes like the Fantastic Four and the Hulk back in those days).  I don't know much about Venom.  (In fact, I don't think I have ever read a comic with Venom in it . . . but I'm sure I have a few in my collection that I bought in some mixed lots on Ebay).  So, for me, he wasn't a disappointment in the movie.


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: venomx on May 07, 2007, 11:17:56 PM
 To Burgomaster ... Cool well If you dont know who Venom is yet then read up them comics friend. You will like the Venom sagas. Well if your pro Spider-Man then maybe not ... Did you know Venom has an offspring too? Thats Carnage. Trust me on this one not even Spider-Man and Venom together can ... wait ... I will let you find out on your own  :thumbup: Good stuff there. You say Venoms not a disappointment to you and thats cool. After you read up on him you will see why lots of fans are saying what the hell is going on here? thats all ... And yes Sandman did look cool in this flim they did get that right on. Heres a pic of Carnage for you. I hope you dig them comics up soon your missing out. To - daveblackeye15 Venom was way too weak in this movie. Harry Osborn was a joke. Tropher Grace did play his own part good but hes not a good Brock. edit - comic fact "Venom possesses all Spider-Man's powers and even greater strength". PS the lines in this movie almost made me want to take my own life - joking lol. The lines are so lame !!!
(http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/8550/carnagetu0.png)
Burgomaster Im not sure on this but if you like Hulk I think there was a comic with Venom fighting him once.
edit - Yep there was .. http://img15.photobucket.com/albums/v44/guyverjay/Hulk_vs_Venom_12.jpg cool I did not know that.


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: DodgingGrunge on May 07, 2007, 11:52:29 PM
- comic fact "Venom possesses all Spider-Man's powers and even greater strength".

Which is precisely why you can't have Venom running around in a Spiderman movie.  For the cinematic elements to play correctly you need balance.  Venom is overwhelmingly powerful compared to Spiderman and he'd steal the show.  It'd be kind of like putting Godzilla in one of Universal's Mummy movies.  Somehow that pile of ancient Egyptian rags would seem a little less scary...


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: AnubisVonMojo on May 08, 2007, 12:02:08 AM
Yeah, but that's why you give Venom weaknesses like fire and soundwaves, so the heroes have something to fall back on when hitting him in the face with a cement block repeatedly won't do the job. It's the same way in the comics as it was in the movie. If you make a character without any weakness or exploitable flaws then you're stuck with someone who's so unstoppable that they're boring as f*ck. Case in point: Superman. By Jack Kirby's hollowed eye sockets, I f*cking hate Superman... it's amazing how common Kryptonite is... bullsh!t...


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: venomx on May 08, 2007, 12:06:04 AM
Good point Im not saying your wrong. But balance? Why did Sam Raimi even put Venom in it then right? ... Like you said Godzilla in a Mummy movie lets make Godzilla small and weak ... no you cant do that to Godzilla. But I see your point with balance. well Sam Raimi enjoy the good life after making your flim for 10 yr olds and people that dont even know what a symbiote is ... it sucks to me anyway as a big Venom fan. Let me be the Director for the next movie if there is one. Then I will show Fair balance when ManSpider I mean Spiderman takes on true Carnage  :thumbup: I need to stop I think I like Venom a little too much lol. Im gona go watch Super Mario Bros the movie now to get my mind off of this ... That was a Joke much like the pumpkin bomb killing an overwhelmingly powerful Venom.

"I like being bad! It makes me happy!"




Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: dean on May 08, 2007, 08:53:50 AM

Well Venomx, if you like Venom so much you'd remember that his two weaknesses were sound and fire, so whilst Osborn may be a hardy fellow, fire would certainly be a pain in  Venom's ass.

I agree though that he was under-used, almost criminally so.  There was a very big opportunity for him to be very menacing, but it wasn't used well enough at all.

*Spoiler*

Him teaming up with Sandman was kind of pointless and really only served to make it so that Harry and Peter could team up and 'save each other' in the end.  Whilst the end result was cool, it would have been nicer to have a bit more of Venom causing havoc first.


*End Spoiler*


I did like Harry's role, and his storyline, and I also liked Topher Grace.  The way I see it was that they needed to polish up a few parts of the film.  It wouldn't have been hard to tell the same story, and satisfy [but still probably p**s off] the hardcore fan-boys.  Spidey 2 was probably, in my mind, the best structured, but I couldn't help but like the good moments in Spidey 3 more.

Oh and the first time I saw it [that's right, I just came back from a second screening] at that packed cinema of Myspace crazies: Bruce Campbell got a huge cheer, as did Ol' J.Jonah Jameson and Ted Raimi.  Great fun that was...


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: StackAttack on May 08, 2007, 09:19:58 AM
i saw it and i liked it a lot. i always liked reading spiderman comics growing up because he was a teen hero and therefore we could identify with him better than guys like batman or superman who had always been shown as adults with the exception of superboy who was just stupid and pointless. it was long but there was always something happening and i think that helped the pacing. i heard a lot of people in different reviews complain that there was too much crying and too many storylines but i didnt have trouble keeping everything sorted out and im pushing half of a century here! Ha ha ha! it was fun and i think thats how it should be looked at as. comic books cant make everybody happy and neither can their movies. ill just enjoy the ride.


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: Oldskool138 on May 08, 2007, 09:41:24 AM
*****Spoilers Ahoy!******

I just saw Spidey 3 last night...I thought it was entertaining but, they could have done better.  It has Pirates of the Caribbean 2-itis.  Characters do things that are slightly out of character or because it's in the script.  Mary Jane comes off as a temperamental be-otch.  And who told Kirsten Dunst she could sing?!  She's got a great voice for rock or punk music but not for jazz or show tunes.  Why didn't Mary Jane just tell Peter that Harry was making her break up with him...He IS Spider-man after all.

Why didn't Harry's butler tell him that his father died of glider wounds back in the second movie?  The set pieces (Peter dancing in the street and night club in particular) were distracting.  And for once can Spiderman keep his mask intact.  I thought Venom slobbered all over the place with a crazy big tongue but it didn't make an appearance.

Okay, I got the negative stuff out of the way.  Now on to the positives.  The special effects and fight scenes are top notch.  Sandman is a great villain both in appearance and motivation.  Venom was a little weak and underused but Topher Grace didn't embarrass himself as Brock or Venom.  Bryce Dallas Howard is hot.  The cameos were both funny and well done.

******Spoilers End******

All in all I enjoyed it but I expect more from Spidey 4.  Spidey 2 remains my favorite of the bunch.


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: venomx on May 08, 2007, 01:27:29 PM
 dean - A pain in Venoms ass? No this movie is about pain in Venoms symbiote nads ... And how Sam Raimi kicked em in.
Yes there was a SUPER big opportunity for him to be very VERY menacing. But I know what you mean. Also Im not a Hardcore Fanboy I just sound like one lol I just really like Venoms dark evil look and the symbiotes real story thats all.

Oldskool138  - "And who told Kirsten Dunst she could sing?!"  I know how you feel. I want to put a pumpkin bomb in her mouth  :thumbup: her acting abilities suck too. also ... Karma for you because of this line - "And for once can Spiderman keep his mask intact."

Offsubject ...
StackAttack - Karma for you because of your avatar land of the lost. good oldtimes there.  :thumbup: ...
(http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/3199/468x60tu4.gif)


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: venomx on May 09, 2007, 12:11:18 PM
I found this photo of Sam Raimi on the net. It makes me very very happy to look at it. Im gona frame it up right now !!!
(http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/987/samraimifj4.jpg)
This is for you VENOM.


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: Jordan on May 09, 2007, 01:17:41 PM
Whoa! Relax VenomX! Hahahaha. I realize your animosity towards Sam and his treatment of Venom (who he originally did not want in the film for various reasons), but c'mon, you can't expect this guy to follow the comics exactly do you? I can go on and on about all the changes Sam has made to the Spider-Man mythology and storyline in all three films (much like all the complaining comic book nerds that were huddled outside the theater after the midnight screening of Spider-Man 3 that I went to), but what's the point? Despite the changes he's made, he has truly made some fun and compelling superhero films. I agree that Venom doesn't nearly get enough screentime and is introduced far too late in the film before getting incinerated, but have a little faith. Dr. Curt "Reptile" Connors still has that lil bit of symbiote suit in a glass jar in his office. ;-)

Personally I really enjoyed "Spider-Man 3" despite amazing amounts of cheezy moments (some of which are mentioned in another Spider-Man 3 forum topic in GOOD MOVIES) and I'm actually taking my mother to see it for Mother's Day on Sunday (her idea not mine, believe it or not!).  My mom is cool!!! :teddyr:


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: venomx on May 09, 2007, 02:03:07 PM
 Yeah I guess your right. I do need to relax. I guess thats gona be Carnage in that jar. Like you said but what's the point? Your right It will not help to hate Sam He will never know how I feel.

Jordan - here is some Karma for you because of your avatar that was an arena fight ... Master of the Flying Guillotine. Good movie!


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: Kroogur on May 09, 2007, 09:45:53 PM
I'm looking forward to this one, i been a fan of Thomas Hayden Church since his doofy mechanic days on the tv show "Wings" :teddyr: and from the clips i seen he does the Sandman justice.

I stopped getting riled awhile ago over films that don't follow the comics or regular books continuity because they simply can't, the film has to fit in a specific timeframe and has to be general enough to appeal to many different people some of whom don't read the comics or the book, It would have been too much to undertake to give Venoms real origin due to the whole "Secret Wars,Beyonder,thing".



Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: Jordan on May 09, 2007, 10:19:00 PM
VenomX thanks for the Karma! "Master of the Flying Guillotine" is a crazy movie and I need to buy it the next time I come across the DVD. I caught it on KUNG-FU HD at my girlfriend's house one night and made her watch it with me. Just a brilliant, brilliant martial arts flick. LOL! (Note: I just changed my avatar to Anguirus. Needed a change of scenery and all. ;-)

Yeah, my buddy Chris and I discussed the possiblity of Carnage in the fourth installment. That'd be crazy cool! But would they even attempt to bring in all those heroes and villains on each side? Personally, I'd like to see Spidey go up against his six-armed doppelganger!  :wink:


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: venomx on May 09, 2007, 11:07:07 PM
 Anguirus works too. I read Toho said a possiblity of Godzilla vs Gamera but there is other projects 1st in line. I want to see this movie if its real someday! But I just cant wait till Castlevania hits the movies in 2009! and yes Master of the Flying Guillotine is a crazy good movie so is Gods of Wutang and The Five Deadly Venoms. Also theres a rumor Tobey "cry baby cant keep his mask intact ever" Maguire said no more SPIDER-MAN movies for him.  , Carnage in the fourth installment? well I guess that sounds right. But what will Sam Raimi do to poor Carnage? maybe make him weak with a blue mask? o well ... what's the point. More movie rumors , Jaws 5 ... something about 5 sharks this time something like that. What I want to see ... Godzilla vs Gamera , Castlevania , AVP 2 , Freddy vs Jason 2 maybe with Ash that sounds so cool *if its real*. and no more SPIDER-MAN movies  :thumbup:
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Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: daveblackeye15 on May 09, 2007, 11:26:10 PM
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I'm looking forward to this one, i been a fan of Thomas Hayden Church since his doofy mechanic days on the tv show "Wings" TeddyR and from the clips i seen he does the Sandman justice.

Ha ha, guess what, I just got Topher Grace and Church mixed up. I got ready to respond with "WHOA WHOA WHOA! Church played the slow witted mechanic from wings!? How'd he get younger?"

Fortunately I realized my mistake and now can go "Yeah I can see Church playing Lowell."

And I'd say he does Sandman justice.


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: Torgo on May 10, 2007, 07:42:44 PM
I found this photo of Sam Raimi on the net. It makes me very very happy to look at it. Im gona frame it up right now !!!
([url]http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/987/samraimifj4.jpg[/url])
This is for you VENOM.



He has always cracked me up. I saw on  the web one time some home movie made way back when that had Sam Raimi, his brother Ted Raimi and Bruce Campbell cutting up and doing impersonations of the 3 stooges schtick.

It was too funny.

Ted Raimi is a criminally underused comedic actor IMO.


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: rebel_1812 on May 11, 2007, 02:01:18 AM
i saw bootlegged copy for this downtown.  Is it the kind of movie you have to see in theatre?


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: Joe on May 11, 2007, 06:27:33 AM
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Good point Im not saying your wrong. But balance? Why did Sam Raimi even put Venom in it then right? ... Like you said Godzilla in a Mummy movie lets make Godzilla small and weak ... no you cant do that to Godzilla. But I see your point with balance. well Sam Raimi enjoy the good life after making your flim for 10 yr olds and people that dont even know what a symbiote is ... it sucks to me anyway as a big Venom fan. Let me be the Director for the next movie if there is one. Then I will show Fair balance when ManSpider I mean Spiderman takes on true Carnage   I need to stop I think I like Venom a little too much lol. Im gona go watch Super Mario Bros the movie now to get my mind off of this ... That was a Joke much like the pumpkin bomb killing an overwhelmingly powerful Venom.

"I like being bad! It makes me happy!"


Raimi only read the comics in the 60's and 70's he didnt know of venom. he only put venom in the movie because fans wanted him. the symbiote storyline is so goddamn long and i think he adapted well and did had to do, it was simply too much story so he shortened it up and it still was plausible in my book i mean thats what it basically is in a nutshell- symbiote lands on earth, gets on spidey, gets off spidey, goes on brock, venom is born. stop b***hing and moaning about it cause it cant be unfilmed so let it go. the only thing i agree on is that they under used venom, i love him as a character but it is what it is, at least i got to see him on screen. another thing when venom first appeared he wasnt 8 times the size of spiderman and he didnt have the huge tounge with all the drool, he was pretty spot on from the comics in the movie, mabey a little less bulky but thats all.

spider man 3
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and i dont know what movie you saw but venom f**ked spider-man up big time, what did you expect spider-man to die? again the onlyreal flaw is lack of use of the character.



Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: Joe on May 11, 2007, 06:41:45 AM
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Also Im not a Hardcore Fanboy I just sound like one lol I just really like Venoms dark evil look and the symbiotes real story thats all.

then why are you getting so sensitive for a character you dont give a s**t about? you have fan boy written all over you. what the hell is that supposed to mean "real story"? the astronaut that mary jane was supposed to marry picks up the symbiote from a mission on the planet(forget which one) and somehow on the way back the shuttle crashes and spiderman goes to save the day, the symbiote gets out of the capsule of in which it was collected, gets on spider man then he becomes black spidey and bad ass, then he sees its ruining his life and he needs to get rid of it. a bell in a church tower gets is off it falls on brock he becomes venom, venom is captured and placed next to kletus kassidy in a cell some of brocks symbiote goes onto kassidy  making him carnage and the rest is history.

the only real change is the how the symbiote got onto earth. in order to do the whole astronaut thing i guess raimi felt it wold be even more story to cram in because of mary jane and the astronaut guy plus the whole going into space and collecting it. i mean i can see where hes coming from if thats the case it would be alot more, so he changed it a little. the main thing is that it got to earth and got onto to spidey and thats it.


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: AnubisVonMojo on May 11, 2007, 09:11:38 AM
Actually Joe, what you just described is the cartoon's origin for the symbiote, not the comic book's. The comic book's original idea would definitely have been way too difficult to do for the movie, but my friend and I both agree that it wouldn't have been too hard to work the cartoon origin you just mentioned into the movie... with an exception for the budget required and maybe a few additional minutes of running time required to do so. The problem I had with the movie version wasn't that it doesn't stick true to the comics (if I had a problem with that, I wouldn't have liked either of the two movies before it either), but that the concept of the small meteor carrying the symbiote careening toward a planet the size of Earth and just so happens to land not 20 yards away from where Spider-Man just happens to be getting an hj from MJ (seriously, watch it again and try to tell me where her right hand is while they're lying there in the web!) is the astronomically improbable part. This is the part where, even if you didn't know from trade talk that Sam Raimi didn't want Venom in the movie, you could pretty much figure out. Not that I'm saying Raimi's an ass for this reason, I'm just saying it's apparent.

Also, though I just said that I don't care if the movie follows the comics at all, why not simply give the symbiote it's origin from the Ultimate Spider-Man series? It was created synthetically in a lab as a way to treat burn victims... or cancer patients... I didn't really read it, I just did a quick search online for the info... either way, if you'd drop Parker's dad from the storyline and maybe stuck with introducing Brock the way it was done in the movie, that could've been done easily enough, would've made more sense and would've appeased at least some of the fanboys (of which I am proudly one).

As for Venom's size, Joe is also correct in saying that the original Venom wasn't the Hulk sized steroid case he became later on to make him more menacing. Additionally, Eddie Brock in the movie was designed to be a foil for Peter: gunning for the same job, getting ready to marry his favorite girl (albeit entirely in his head of course...), thinking he's on top of the world, etc. Obviously Raimi wanted to go for the "two sides of the same coin" thing and show Brock as an alternate universe Peter Parker who wasn't shy and didn't have the morality and honesty given to him by someone like Pete's Uncle Ben. Since the symbiote only enhances what's already there, and movie Eddie was no bigger than Peter, it makes sense that movie Venom wouldn't be the hulking mass of doom comic readers might have suspected.

*gasp* that's the last time I try typing that all in one breath...


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: venomx on May 11, 2007, 11:58:25 AM
Whoa Kid! I know your not talking to me like that Joe. You need to relax right now. I can say anything I want about Venom from Spiderman 3 here at Badmovies.org Forum. Its a god dam topic ! PLEASE Grow the hell up. and get a Girlfriend and a real life!
(http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/9089/nelsonlafyc3.gif) NOW go cook dinner! for your husband Sam Raimi.  hahahhhaha Your a dam JOKE JOE. Its real funny how it upset you that I like Venom so much Why you even care? and dont try to digital fight in me in this Forum thats a joke too Im not even gona waste anymore time on someone like you sorry a$$ punk! Dont ever tell me to stop b***hing and moaning. I have the Freedom of speech! I dont ever put anyone in this forum down. Who the hell do you think you are? you have BIG GIRL written all over you. and your additude stinks. pheeew , yeah go ahead and reply boo F$%#$#@ Hoo You think I care Joe?

Now back to the Spiderman 3 topic , sorry about that people. - Lite work.
Also Nice post tombofanubisdotcom. You where nice and very professional about it all. Karma 4 You.  :thumbup:


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: Torgo on May 14, 2007, 10:41:16 PM
Well, the movie dropped down to 60 million this past weekend but it's already at around 242 million.

Should be interesting to see how it fares with Shrek the Third (liked the 1st, hated the 2nd, could care less about the 3rd) coming out this Friday and then POTC 3 (liked the 1st, didn't care for the 2nd but the 3rd could be a knock out of the park) the following week.


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: Torgo on May 14, 2007, 10:44:29 PM
i saw bootlegged copy for this downtown.  Is it the kind of movie you have to see in theatre?

I would see it at least once on the big screen.

I knew a few people who saw it on a giant IMAX screen, and they said that's the ultimate way to see it.


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: Joe on May 15, 2007, 06:38:33 AM
why do you gotta start throwing insults around? i just think it was a little rediculous that your babbling about irrelevent things and constanly changing your mind every five minutes. i only told you to stop b***hing, i didnt directly attack you with anything nor do i plan to. i dont know you and im not gonna judge you but i will give you my opinion, as you said freedom of speech.  if anyone needs to grow up its you and deal with other peoples opinions without all the childish "your a (insert insult)" jive. all i did was correct (to a degree) what you going on about i didnt say " hey you a***ole your f**king stupid for liking venom cause you just are and raimi is the best and your a f**king loser scumbag prick." take a chill pill and stop being like that, and your right i am the loser for even responding to your mindless rant.


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: daveblackeye15 on May 15, 2007, 02:11:49 PM
I kind of have to side with Joe here, you came off a little strong VenomX.


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: venomx on May 15, 2007, 03:07:54 PM
Your Right Joe, Im sorry ... Im sorry for trying to defend myself. It all ends now. I will also learn to relax.  :thumbup: ok
and ... daveblackeye15 - I told Joe Im sorry so try to stay out of it.  :thumbup: ok
Its just a Forum , its not the UFC ...


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: KYGOTC on May 15, 2007, 03:19:11 PM
alright alright, lets all just stop bludgening our computer screen with stale loafs of wheat bread and get back to Spidey 3.


What I thought was a big problem was that they put in too many villians in one story. I know they do that alot in the comics, but it just doesnt seem to work in the movies. They also could have picked someone else to play Eddy. Also, I think Gwen Stacy was a bit unesessary. Other than that, a good show. (aside from some cheesy parts.)


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: venomx on May 15, 2007, 03:24:01 PM
Yeah maybe a bigger guy to play as Brock. Vin Diesel?
Do you think the Lizard will ever be in any Spider Man movies? or maybe Carnage?
Who does everyone here want to see in the new Spider Man movie if there is ever one.

Do you think a crossover will be bad? like the Xmen or Hulk in a Spider Man movie. or yeah lol bad idea ...


Title: Re: SPIDER-MAN 3
Post by: KYGOTC on May 15, 2007, 03:27:24 PM
Yeah maybe a bigger guy to play as Brock.
Do you think the Lizard will ever be in any Spider Man movies?
or maybe Carnage?

Theyve been playing up Lizard for so long, they pretty much HAVE to use him eventually.


As for Carnage, well, Im not sure the world is ready for a Carnage movie, but I sure as hell am!