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Title: Heads or Tails?
Post by: Ash on July 31, 2007, 08:07:47 AM
If you've ever flipped a coin to make a decision, what do you usually call?

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Take a coin out of your pocket and flip it.
I call Tails.

Got any interesting coin toss stories?


Title: Re: Heads or Tails?
Post by: DodgingGrunge on July 31, 2007, 08:24:33 AM
Always bet tails*.  The odds of a toss coming up tails is approximately 2:1.  This is because the head side weighs more, so it will land down more often than not.  I love being a physics dork!  :teddyr:

*  This is at least the case on older quarters.  Some of the state-specific quarters have a different balance.


Title: Re: Heads or Tails?
Post by: CheezeFlixz on July 31, 2007, 09:11:29 AM
Always bet tails*.  The odds of a toss coming up tails is approximately 2:1.  This is because the head side weighs more, so it will land down more often than not.  I love being a physics dork!  :teddyr:

*  This is at least the case on older quarters.  Some of the state-specific quarters have a different balance.


WHAT? :buggedout:

 The probability of getting heads or tails is roughly 50/50 regardless of old or new quarters. State quarter, Standing Liberties, per 1963 silver, copper clap or worn.

Now to be 100% fair there is an extremely SLIGHT chance that one side will prevail over the other and that is purely based on which side was facing up when the coin was flipped.

So according to mathematicians from Stanford University and the University of California, Santa Cruz. For a coin toss to be truly random, they say, you have to flip the coin into the air so that it spins in just the right way.

Most of the time, though, the coin doesn't spin perfectly. It might tip and wobble in the air. Sometimes it doesn't even flip over.

In experiments, the researchers found that it's practically impossible to tell from watching a tossed coin whether it has flipped over. A tossed coin is typically in the air for just half a second, and a wobble can fool the eyes, no matter how carefully you watch.

To see how wobbling affects the outcome, the researchers videotaped actual coin tosses and measured the angle of the coin in the air. They found that a coin has a 51 percent chance of landing on the side it started from. So, if heads is up to start with, there's a slightly bigger chance that a coin will land heads rather than tails.

When it comes down to it, the odds aren't very different from 50-50. In fact, it would take about 10,000 tosses for you to really notice the difference.

So heads I win, tails you lose. :teddyr:

http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20040228/fob2.asp (http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20040228/fob2.asp)


Title: Re: Heads or Tails?
Post by: DodgingGrunge on July 31, 2007, 09:34:32 AM
Apples and oranges.  :teddyr:

The data you're quoting, based on experiments conducted by (then Harvard) statistician Persi Diaconis, does not incorporate or explain the physics of the "bounce".  It's true the short height of a coin toss renders any gravitational wobble moot.  But I let my coins hit the ground.  :teddyr:


Title: Re: Heads or Tails?
Post by: AnubisVonMojo on July 31, 2007, 11:02:25 AM
If you're the type of person who does a lot of "heads or tails" decision making with people, the rule is to cheat and get a double-sided tails quarter. If you give the other person the option of choosing, they can't say you cheated and 80% of people call heads when given the choice. Don't ask me where I heard that, my long term memory is starting to resemble my short term memory...


Title: Re: Heads or Tails?
Post by: CheezeFlixz on July 31, 2007, 11:31:55 AM
80% of people call heads when given the choice. Don't ask me where I heard that, my long term memory is starting to resemble my short term memory...

It's because there is less work in getting 'head' than it is in getting 'tail'


Title: Re: Heads or Tails?
Post by: raj on July 31, 2007, 01:36:40 PM
80% of people call heads when given the choice. Don't ask me where I heard that, my long term memory is starting to resemble my short term memory...

It's because there is less work in getting 'head' than it is in getting 'tail'

Bada - bing.

I usually call heads, and have gotten pretty good at flipping the coin.  I'll also roll a die sometimes, especially If I've got multiple choices -- like which movie to watch that night.


Title: Re: Heads or Tails?
Post by: indianasmith on July 31, 2007, 03:33:36 PM
So are we scraping the bottom of the barrel for poll topics here, or what???  :lookingup:


Title: Re: Heads or Tails?
Post by: Andrew on July 31, 2007, 03:34:55 PM
So are we scraping the bottom of the barrel for poll topics here, or what???  :lookingup:

No, that's just Ash.  He always has random thoughts that lead to all sorts of weird posts - from him and others responding.


Title: Re: Heads or Tails?
Post by: Torgo on July 31, 2007, 04:11:19 PM
Heads.


Title: Re: Heads or Tails?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 31, 2007, 08:42:38 PM
Ok...I flipped it. I called heads-and I won!!!! YAY!  So...what do I do now?  :question:


Title: Re: Heads or Tails?
Post by: Ash on July 31, 2007, 09:27:06 PM
Ok...I flipped it. I called heads-and I won!!!! YAY!  So...what do I do now?  :question:

Do the Happy Dance!   :hot:


Title: Re: Heads or Tails?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 31, 2007, 09:58:58 PM
 OK! I need Happy Dance Music! 1 2 3 4----!

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