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Title: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: peter johnson on November 07, 2007, 03:40:01 PM
Awhile back, there were several threads about the worst CGI effects.  I own both "Python" and "Boa", so I thought I'd seen the nadir of this controversy . . .
More fool I . . .
Anyone out there seen . . . "KRAKEN"??
There is a scene wherein the very very atrociously fake CGI squid is thrashing about in the water.  It could not be more plain that someone is dangling strings in the water to create the little splashes & that the flailing tentacles have been -- poorly superimposed over that . . .
My Lord . . .
peter johnson/denny crane


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: Andrew on November 07, 2007, 04:13:12 PM
Anyone out there seen . . . "KRAKEN"??

I saw the DVD at Best Buy one night.  Picked it up, looked it over, and put it back down.  I'd spent my budget for "really bad new movies" on something like "Shockwave" or "Dragon Fighter."  Seriously, some of these new bad movies are only made for people who like being bored or annoyed (or both).


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: Captain Tars Tarkas on November 07, 2007, 04:57:04 PM
I think it is hard to top the CGI from Vampire Vixens From Venus.

http://tarstarkas.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=452&Itemid=1


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: Oldskool138 on November 07, 2007, 06:00:40 PM
Just watch ant Sci-Fi Channel original movie featuring a snake (there must be 100 of them by now) if you want to be underwhelmed by the beyond shoddy CGI work.


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: Torgo on November 07, 2007, 06:01:52 PM
An American Werewolf in Paris

The Transporter 2

Raptor Island


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: RCMerchant on November 07, 2007, 07:15:48 PM
An American Werewolf in Paris


 GAHHH! Whatta wretched piece 'o' sh!t It doesn't even qualify as BAD...just bad.


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: MST3KFan on November 07, 2007, 07:22:55 PM
You want bad CGI, watch the movie Dark Wolf with Kane Hodder (aka Jason Vorhees) as the bad guy. When the characters turn into their 'werewolf' forms, it's REALLY bad CGI. I mean PlayStation 1 CG graphics morphing bad.

Others that come to mind...

Spiders 2 (lots of bad CGed spiders)

Sabretooth (can tell when it's an animatronic head versus a full CG sabretooth tiger)


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: Captain Tars Tarkas on November 07, 2007, 10:36:44 PM


Sabretooth (can tell when it's an animatronic head versus a full CG sabretooth tiger)

That reminds me of Attack of the Sabretooth, which has the worst CG I've seen on SciFi Channel in the sequence where the giant golden Sabretooth building falls onto the evil developer character.


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: Andrew on November 07, 2007, 10:39:27 PM
I think it is hard to top the CGI from Vampire Vixens From Venus.

[url]http://tarstarkas.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=452&Itemid=1[/url]


I've not seen it myself, but I was under the impression that the effects were probably overlay or something else - not CGI?  I will say that the weird blue/purple monster in the living room in your review always cracks me up.

Gah, your site always loads slow for me.  Looking at it, Dreamhost is definitely the problem.


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: Captain Tars Tarkas on November 07, 2007, 11:41:00 PM
I'm not sure technically what the difference is so I just group them all together.  The spaceship scenes do have no live action elements.

I'll probably be switching webhosts when the paid year is up, but thanks to grad school I haven't had much time to update or shop around.  This especially sucks as my site has doubled in daily visitors that past month.


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: CheezeFlixz on November 08, 2007, 12:52:01 AM
KRAKEN was KRAP ... I swear I don't know how some of these movies get made, I've had far better day dreams than some of the crap Sci-Fi Channel has produced, they cancel winning franchises like FarScape and then turn around and produce crap movies and the abysmal Flash Gordon. I would have rather dealt with another nauseum season of SG-1 than to watch that tripe.

Much of the CGI has gotten lazy and looks like is was a failing computer graphics exam at high school level. I've seen better home made CGI than I have some of the stuff they release now. I do believe I could do a better job with a sock puppet and a Sharpe.


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: The Burgomaster on November 08, 2007, 01:50:57 AM
That "true to the novel" WAR OF THE WORLDS flick that came out around the same time as Spielberg's version had some really bad CGI moments.  Really bad.  And I bought the damned DVD!


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: quabrot on November 08, 2007, 03:11:26 AM
I'll be honest, I was really looking forward to the Pendragon Pictures War of the Worlds.  The animation is some of the cheapest I have ever seen.  The city stuff reminded me of a Playstation game called Urban Chaos.  And the Thunderchild sequence--  just painful to watch.


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: Jack on November 08, 2007, 09:47:51 AM
Kraken?  I was so bewitched by the incredibly hot babes I barely even noticed the horrible plot, acting or CGI  :teddyr:  It's actually near the top of my wishlist  :tongueout:

I agree with Tars about Attack of the Sabretooth - the entrance to the sabretooth building is shaped like a giant sabretooth head, and near the end an earthquake causes one of the teeth to fall off and impale a guy.  I swear they used construction paper.  That one took even me by surprise.

Alien Express with Lou Diamond Phillips deserves a mention too.  A helicopter crashes into a mountainside and it looked like they threw a Molotov cocktail against a wall and then overlaid the flame effect.  Either the helicopter was filled to capacity with nitroglycerin or that was one laughably bad effect.





Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: trekgeezer on November 08, 2007, 03:44:02 PM
I think it is hard to top the CGI from Vampire Vixens From Venus.

[url]http://tarstarkas.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=452&Itemid=1[/url]



I don't know those boobs looked pretty real to me!!


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: cqmorrell on November 08, 2007, 05:01:38 PM
Caught a few minutes of "Pinata: Survivor Island" ... these MTV rejects were being chased by a big thing that looked like the evil tiki statue from the Brady Bunch. It was horrible, the monster looked fake and didn't have any "weight" or presence in the scene.


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: Torgo on November 08, 2007, 05:16:35 PM
Caught a few minutes of "Pinata: Survivor Island" ... these MTV rejects were being chased by a big thing that looked like the evil tiki statue from the Brady Bunch. It was horrible, the monster looked fake and didn't have any "weight" or presence in the scene.

The only good thing about that movie was Jaime Pressly in a string bikini.



Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: KYGOTC on November 08, 2007, 06:50:23 PM
The monkeys in JUMANJI were pretty bad.


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: Torgo on November 08, 2007, 11:28:41 PM
The monkeys in JUMANJI were pretty bad.

I thought that every single thing in that movie was bad actually.


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: AndyC on November 09, 2007, 05:54:57 AM
Horrible CGI is especially jarring when it appears in an otherwise good movie.

Like watching Spider Man turn into a cheap video game whenever he starts swinging from building to building, although that did improve in the sequels.

Or check out the scene from the first Harry Potter film, in which Harry fights a troll. It just suddenly turns into a cartoon.

Of course, the most wretched example I've seen recently was in Killer Bees with C. Thomas Howell. Bad, even for 2002. Saw a bit of it on TV earlier this week - a scene with bees entering a car through the air vents and attacking a guy. It looked like John Coffey just healed somebody under the dash. Of course the effect didn't look so bad in The Green Mile, because it was some supernatural thing. When it's supposed to be a swarm of real bees, it looks very bad.


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: raj on November 09, 2007, 09:06:51 AM
I thought the CGI in Reign of Fire was pretty bad, along with the acting, dialog and plot.

There's a difference, to me, in expecting good CGI from a mainstream production like Harry Potter or Jumangi (if you can afford Robin Williams, spend more money to make a good movie) and V3 which is more like an amateur flick to me.


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: 316zombie on November 09, 2007, 05:23:59 PM
your comments are why i watch older movies,or asian movies,because i agree with all the things you are saying!CGI is fine for what is SUPPOSED to be an animated movie,although i'll take oldstyle animation anyday.and i vastly prefer ray harryhausen style monsters to CGI,they look more real than anything i've seen from a computer!I recently saw godzilla,the newest one with cgi,it was dreadful!!! i hated it!!


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: Andrew on November 09, 2007, 05:28:50 PM
your comments are why i watch older movies,or asian movies,because i agree with all the things you are saying!CGI is fine for what is SUPPOSED to be an animated movie,although i'll take oldstyle animation anyday.and i vastly prefer ray harryhausen style monsters to CGI,they look more real than anything i've seen from a computer!I recently saw godzilla,the newest one with cgi,it was dreadful!!! i hated it!!

You mean "Deanzilla" from 1998 with the huge iguana in New York?  Toho is still making Godzilla movies and they all have CGI now (though the big guy is still a man in a suit).  Several of the newer Japanese Godzilla films are very good.  Check out "Godzilla: Final Wars" or "Tokyo SOS" - I have a review for "Final Wars" on the site.


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: CoreyHeldpen on November 09, 2007, 06:21:37 PM
Hey, everybody, I have returned! *looks around* Anyone remember me? ...Anyone?

Anyway, for truly godawful CGI, check out BLOODTHIRST 2 and KOMODO VS COBRA.


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: peter johnson on November 09, 2007, 06:37:48 PM
Ah!
Komodo Vs. Cobra!!:
"Look, Mommy!  You can see a tree through that snake!!"
peter johnson/denny crane


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: Nev on November 09, 2007, 06:45:54 PM
"bigger-budget" movies with crappy cgi-

all three pre-quel star wars
spider man 2 and 3
pirates of the carib 3

"low-budget" flicks-
sabertooth
komodo
sound of thunder

very short list but i'm thinking off the top of my head.


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: 316zombie on November 11, 2007, 03:24:50 PM
yup,that's the one,andrew!i'll take a gander at the ones you mentioned,i'm quite sure i can find trailers on netflix or youtube,thanks!


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: Vultur on November 12, 2007, 05:57:25 PM
Supercroc (2007) - the first picture of the floating croc looks like a giant turd.  And when it jumps up & grabs a helicopter - everything goes completely blurry! Worst. CGI. Ever. (worse than Attack of Sabretooth, which I've also seen...)


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: DistantJ on November 13, 2007, 11:43:08 AM
The CG Zords in the Power Rangers movie are starting to look pretty naff now. Interesting how they originally blew our minds and now the Japanese men in suits in the TV show look better.


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: KYGOTC on November 14, 2007, 02:30:14 PM
Ive only seen CGI work completely successfully where puppets and real props could'nt in one movie and that Is Transformers. Everything else needs to stick with the real stuff, because, this may come as a shock to some movie makers, but real stuff looks REAL! Holy SH!T!

Cgi and green screens are really overused nowadays. Thats why Black Sheep rules for being a modern movie and still having the stones to use puppets and latex instead of computer nonsense.


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: 316zombie on November 17, 2007, 05:01:48 PM
puppets?there's puppets in black sheep?i'm there!


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: wanderarbeiter on November 17, 2007, 05:34:39 PM
I know that this is probably old hat around here, but Shark Attack 3 always gets me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nzd0R_OeOc



Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: Gwangi on November 18, 2007, 05:59:24 PM
Godzilla Finals Wars could have been so much better if the fights were extended between the kaiju.  Instead we have a lot of Matrix ripoff scenes with motorcycles and the like.  Still a fun watch though. 
Black Sheep was a superb movie.  It just goes to show that a good looking puppet can be more realistic looking that CGI.  The worst CGI I've even seen has to be Dinocroc or Crocodile.  Interestingly they are both SciFi originals.  Huh...


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: KYGOTC on November 19, 2007, 12:30:38 AM
The CG Zords in the Power Rangers movie are starting to look pretty naff now. Interesting how they originally blew our minds and now the Japanese men in suits in the TV show look better.

Really? I loved the Zords in that movie!


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: Shadow on November 19, 2007, 12:41:50 AM
It just goes to show that a good looking puppet can be more realistic looking that CGI.

That reminds me of Deep Blue Sea, where the animatronic sharks looked way better than the CGI sharks.

Has anyone mentioned that horrible looking space monkey thing in the Lost in Space movie?


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: KYGOTC on November 19, 2007, 09:57:30 AM
I know that this is probably old hat around here, but Shark Attack 3 always gets me.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nzd0R_OeOc[/url]




that was pretty flippin' auful, man. Almost as auful as my spelling.


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: denny crane on November 19, 2007, 01:11:37 PM
Shark Attack 3 is so brilliantly bad -- Seek out the older threads on this here board about it all -- I think we were chatting about that sometime in July?
Anyway, that isn't bad CGI -- That's bad superimposing!!  They take footage of real sharks & then superimpose the image of people in rafts or on skidoos riding into the shark's mouth.
That's a whole 'nuther level of stinkery --


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: denny crane on November 19, 2007, 01:14:12 PM
 :hatred:
Oh, great -- Here I am having to register as a guest again --
this is still peter johnson, but I'm being unrecognized again --
Must be something in the water out here --
peter johnson/denny crane


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: peter johnson on November 24, 2007, 01:08:16 AM
Flowers and garlands to you all! . . .
Back on board from home --
I took "Kraken" over to friends for Thanksgiving.
At first, quite skeptical that this would be a nadir moment for BAD CGI, but as soon as they saw the anti-squid trying to suck one of the heroes out of the shipwreck, they were laughingly sold!!
Check it out . . . if you dare!!:
Directed by Tibor Takacs
Sci-Fi Pictures with Pitchblack Pictures and Nu Image.
Also known as "KRAKEN: Tentacles of The Deep!".
You cannot imagine how poor these effects are . . .
And . . . It's from Canada !!!
peter my gawd/denny good lawd


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: KYGOTC on November 24, 2007, 01:11:20 AM
Has anyone mentioned Spawn yet? .......Poor Spawn.

(http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Bay/2933/MovieSpawn16x92.jpg)


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: Jim H on November 24, 2007, 01:16:23 PM
Spawn's CG varies in quality throughout the movie, from decent to bad.  So does the recent "The Mist" actually.

On a side note, I think if a Megalodon actually ate a small raft and a skidoo, it would probably actually die from it over time.  It'd clog its insides, and the gasoline and metal would kill it if its innards actually crushed it.  I know, I know, logic in a movie like that...


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: peter johnson on November 25, 2007, 07:24:08 PM
Jim H:
Stop with this "logic" stuff already!!
"Logic" can completely ruin the Badmovies experience -- unless it's employed in some sort of Deconstructionist thang, eg.: How many Ymirs being poked by how many sticks could power how many generators, etc.
Otherwise, you're faced with the classic dilemma faced by a friend of mine from 30 years ago, who, upon watching an old "Hercules vs. Somethingorother" film wherein a giant spider attacks Hercules . . . "Man . . . Why doesn't he just cut the strings?" . . .
* * *
Logic, in Badmoviesworld, has purpose only for amusement.  Otherwise, a Dead Enid . . .
peter kant/denny wittgenstein


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: Ometiklan on November 25, 2007, 08:28:18 PM
And Why does the CGI in Jurassic Park 1993.
Look better than most CGI in the movies today?


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: El Dogo on November 27, 2007, 07:55:47 PM
I haven't seen a lot of the super terrible CGI stuff, probably because I have zero interest in giant snake movies and Sci-Fi Channel originals.  But the most disorientingly terrible CGI I remember seeing was the escaped crocodile in Eraser.  That didn't just yank me out of the movie, I think it yanked me off the planet.


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: KYGOTC on November 27, 2007, 10:12:52 PM
And Why does the CGI in Jurassic Park 1993.
Look better than most CGI in the movies today?

A question that has plauged mankind for over a decade. Probobly some crazy government consperacy like everything else.


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: DistantJ on December 02, 2007, 05:42:11 AM
Or check out the scene from the first Harry Potter film, in which Harry fights a troll. It just suddenly turns into a cartoon.
XD I remember that, it was like, Harry Potter vs Shrek. Also whenever any kind of stunts were required in that movie, the kids turned into awful CG, it was so confusing and it basically messed up the whole thing for me. There's this whole current "if it's computer generated, it's not dated, whether it looks real or not" misconception.


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: AndyC on December 02, 2007, 04:26:41 PM
As techniques improve, bad CGI is going to look as dated as any poorly-done bluescreen, stop-motion or puppet effect of the past. Our grandkids are going to be laughing their butts off at some of these films.


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: 316zombie on December 02, 2007, 07:14:34 PM
the big difference,at least in my own case,is that my nieces vastly appreciate the older films,they range from 21 down to 8,with a greatnephew a month old,he will be a fan too,we hope!
sid viscious is my youngest niece,she gets into some nasty debates with her grownup cousins about classic movies,i am thankful...
we all like certain movies that are cgi,but not many....


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: KYGOTC on December 03, 2007, 12:58:03 AM

sid viscious is my youngest niece,



......Oh, man......Lets hope she doesn't tunr out like that OTHER Sid Vicious!

(http://ventnorblog.com/copy_images/sid-vicious.jpg)


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: asimpson2006 on December 03, 2007, 07:08:01 AM
And Why does the CGI in Jurassic Park 1993.
Look better than most CGI in the movies today?

I think that's a question that mankind has been asking them selves for a while now, and I don't think we will ever have an answer for it.

I though the CGI is the Star Wars prequels were actually not that bad, quite good in some ways.


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: KYGOTC on December 03, 2007, 09:29:09 AM

I though the CGI is the Star Wars prequels were actually not that bad, quite good in some ways.


Yea, they were shiney, I guess, but nothing beats a real phisical model. and doesnt it seem a bit unnesessary to CGI the clone troopers, when they could have easily put guys in clone armor? 


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: Jim H on December 12, 2007, 06:34:58 AM
As techniques improve, bad CGI is going to look as dated as any poorly-done bluescreen, stop-motion or puppet effect of the past. Our grandkids are going to be laughing their butts off at some of these films.

I think it will actually look more dated.  It's comparable to 2D video games VS 3D videogames.  That is, 2D videogames always were avatars, never intended to be realistic.  They also essentially hit a ceiling early on.  Whereas 3D video games get more and more photorealistic, and the animation on old games looks worse in comparison. 

It's the same way with stop motion, which had relatively few major enhancements for a 50 year period. 

It never was entirely believable, but its unreality was easy to accept.  This, in some cases at least, will not be the case with dated CG.


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: AndyC on December 12, 2007, 12:13:24 PM
Actually, stop-motion always enhanced movies for me. There's just something about that unnatural movement that makes monsters seem more monstrous. Give me good stop motion over mediocre CGI any day.


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: Jim H on December 12, 2007, 04:42:38 PM
Actually, stop-motion always enhanced movies for me. There's just something about that unnatural movement that makes monsters seem more monstrous. Give me good stop motion over mediocre CGI any day.

Yeah, that's exactly what I was trying to get at.  I love the look of stop motion.  One of the highlights of this year was getting to see Ray Harryhausen when he visited my school for a screening of Jason and the Argonauts - and brought one of the original skeleton puppets with him!  He seemed to be in remarkably good health, physically and mentally, though his hearing wasn't great.

One other thing...  It is interesting that the first truely convincing stop motion came right as the special effect was in its last days as a mainstream technique.  Look at Dragonslayer's stop motion, for example, and imagine if the go-motion technology it employed had been perfect.

One of the coolest recent examples of stop motion was in the Life Aquatic With Steve Siszou.  They did a great job with the Jaguar Shark, which you briefly see towards the end.  It was a gigantic stop motion puppet.


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: eclipsed on December 12, 2007, 07:16:35 PM
total recall had some steller cg work in it (please excuse my dripping sarcasm)


Title: Re: Merely "bad" CGI or "Wretched Gawdawful CGI!!"
Post by: DistantJ on January 03, 2008, 05:02:31 PM
I never questioned the CGI in Jurassic Park. Not once, and I still don't. The whole thing just looks... Real.