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Title: I Remember When
Post by: ulthar on December 19, 2007, 10:24:04 PM
The knife at school thread led me to wax nostalgic about my high school days - boy, how things have changed.  Some of these were mentioned over in that thread, but I was wondering what's changed from when you were in school.

I was in high school 1979-1983 in the mountains of a southern state.  Here are some of the things I recall about school that would NEVER be countenanced today (zero tolerance, political correctness, etc):

  • knives at school were the norm
  • guns at school, in vehicles, were common
  • going deer hunting (in season) was a legitimate absence from school
  • staying home to work on something at the house was likewise a legitimate absence
  • For that matter, any absence was 'excused' with a parent's note - if your parents knew you missed school, and condoned it, it was none of the school's business besides that; you could fail a grade, however, if you missed too many days in a school year no matter what your grades were.
  • it was okay to smoke at school, just not INSIDE the buildings
  • chewing tobacco had a similar rule, but it was easy for us to chew or dip in class
  • we called many of our teachers by their first names; many of our teachers taught our parents or at least KNEW them outside of school
  • leaving school for ANY reason during the day (unless you worked in the afternoons, then you could leave school at lunch time to go to work) was forbidden, but there was no fence, no cameras, etc.  You COULD do it if you thought you would not get caught.
  • I cut history class one time because my girl friend and I were having problems and I wanted to talk to her; later, my history teacher caught me, and I happened to know she was going through a divorce at the time.  We took a walk and had a long talk about life and stuff - a teacher and a student could interact outside the classroom without a bizillion alarm bells going off.
  • soft drinks were not allowed at lunch
  • we prayed at ALL sporting events and most assemblies
  • no one stopped us if we wanted to pray in class
  • freshman hazing sometimes involved bloodshed, though it was not always the freshman who bled
  • we only had about dozen or so black students at school, but our school was not 'racist' (that was just the make-up our our community); there was, however, a school that our black football players did NOT travel to to play, as they would not have come home

I'm sure there's more, but that's what I got at the moment.

I'm not so sure that what we have now can really be called "progress."


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: LilCerberus on December 19, 2007, 10:40:20 PM
Remember when sex was safe, and motorcycles were dangerous?


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: CheezeFlixz on December 19, 2007, 11:19:12 PM
I'm from the Class of '81 and I remember those things, I also recall.

  • If you got in a fight at school you didn't get counseling or detention, the gym or football coach got the gloves out and let you settle it.
  • Teachers taught and did not spout political opinions.
  • They did NOT hand out condoms.
  • You actually had to make the grade to pass, or else you failed.
  • Getting licks (whoopen) was common place.
  • You could wear t-shirts with not so great messages on them and the worse thing was you'd have to turn it inside out.
  • If you got caught doing something stupid, they didn't call the cops, they called your parents which was often worse.
  • Gas was 70 cents a gallon and my car got 8MPG ... but it'd go 140MPH

Ah high school, the best years of your life and it's all wasted on youth.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: RCMerchant on December 20, 2007, 05:54:49 AM
School has changed  little here...except...
.the work is MUCH harder...or else I'm much stupider!
.I carried a pocket knife always.
The shop teacher would through blocks of wood at you if you weren't paying attention.
.A very large paddle with holes drilled in it was used on those who deserved it...(which included me on occasion. ( I didn't deserve it,of course- :lookingup:).
.Fights were common on school grounds...and  weapons never came into play. If you kicked or bit,you were a 'sissy',-that was an unspoken rule.
.You didn't 'rat'.
.Smoking was strickly OUT. Yet you could chew tobacco outside during gym and recess...no one seemed to care.
.Pot was sold EVERYWHERE....and it was real cheap-people would stumble into class reeking of weed-these people were called 'heads'.
.Most of the farm boys had 12 gauge shot guns under the seat of their trucks during hunting season.
.You could not wear shorts or hats in class.
.You had to take a shower after gym...even if you didn't like to because you were embaressed about your little weiner.(Again...not me- :lookingup:)
.Soda pop and candy was not allowed in school. Except at Valintine Day parties. You could get your knuckles or head rapped if the teacher felt like it...as long as they used rulers or yard sticks.

Oh yeah...I went to high school between 1975 and 1979...was supposed to graduate in 1980-but I ran away from home and hitchhiked to New York. I was 16.)


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: odinn7 on December 20, 2007, 09:53:06 AM




I also lived through the days where you could have knives in school.

Hunting is still an excuse to miss school for a day around here and in fact, they recently changed the school days to have the school closed on the first day of deer season...lol

I recall being in high school and there was an actual smoking area outside. You had to be in 11th or 12th grade to use it but there it was...and it was a nice set up too.

No security...fights were handled by kids and if they got out of hand, a teacher would step in...

I could go on...it just seems like so much has changed these days and I really can't say that any of it has gotten better. My 7 year old daughter is in 2nd grade and I really wonder what it's going to be like as she gets older...*sigh*


*edited* I went crazy with that quote button I think!


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: Jack on December 20, 2007, 09:56:19 AM
I graduated in '82.  A few things:

  • Nothing political was ever taught in class.  That would have never even occurred to anyone
  • You could smoke if you went to the designated smoking area, and if you had a note from your parents.
  • Those shorts that the Hooters girls wear were extremely popular - every girl in the whole school wore those to PE class.  Ah...the memories.
  • We had some cop from New York give a speech to all the students one time, and he was extremely adamant that anyone who smoked pot would wind up dead or on skid row.  The next day, the principal got on the intercom and apologized to all the students.
  • Did I mention the thing about the Hooters girl shorts?  Oh yeah.  Well, it's worth repeating.
  • There were about two or three people who were in charge of making sure no one left the campus during the day.  In other words, you could leave anytime you felt like it.  I drove past my high school a few years ago and there's a huge fence around the whole thing.  It looks like the exercise yard at a prison.
  • Teachers could pretty much do anything they wanted to students, so long as there were no broken bones or permanent scarring involved.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: Derf on December 20, 2007, 11:32:56 AM
Senior of '82 here.

I don't remember smoking being allowed (I didn't, anyway). Chewing tobacco was no problem as long as you didn't spit it at anyone.

No shorts on our campus, but we could leave to go home for lunch.

Sodas? Anytime we could get to a machine and didn't make a mess with them.

Most teachers wouldn't allow gum, but that was up to the individual instructor.

Rifles or shotguns in the cars were no problem; I'm not sure about handguns.

There were only a handful of weed heads on our campus, and even fewer that were on anything harder.

There were a few visits from the drug dogs (like, one or two through my time in high school). If anything was found, everyone knew it almost immediately; it was big news. Now, it would only be big news if nothing was found.

I'm sure there was plenty of underage drinking and such, but I was unpopular (and my father was a deputy), so I never heard about it.

Even the smallest teacher could break up a fight because we would actually stop when someone in authority caught us. We would never have dreamed of hitting a teacher/administrator (okay, maybe we'd dream it, but we wouldn't do it).

We always prayed at sporting events. In fact, they still did up until very recently.

We got a computer (one mainframe terminal hooked up via phone modem to a nearby junior college) my junior year, and computer programming (BASIC) was an after-school class. I took it. Side story: Our computer teacher (the mother of a friend) and the school counselor were feuding, but both liked me well enough, so I would go down and get "sensitive" info from the counselor and give it to the computer teacher--I was a double agent, but not a double-naught spy.

I worked on the school newspaper one year, and since I was too lazy to go out and do any reporting, I'd do the entertainment stuff. We would regularly include "poems" like "I had a little duckie,/ It was really sweet./ I used it as a hockey puck/ And now it has no feet." We were never "counseled" and everyone knew it was a joke. Some people groaned, some laughed, some were a bit grossed out. But no one accused us of animal cruelty.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: AndyC on December 20, 2007, 12:12:43 PM
Some of the experiences I can relate to. Hunting wasn't as common where I grew up, but I now live in a place where business, construction, government, etc. seem to grind to a halt every deer and moose season, so I understand.

One thing I remember well was the lack of security cameras. You could goof around, stack each others lockers to fall out when the door is opened, write smart-assed comments on posted notices. Not that I did any of those things, of course. The problem now is that they're stepping on not just the big problems but also the youthful pranks.

I can also remember when school assemblies weren't compulsory, but if you didn't want to attend, you had to get out of the school. No roaming the deserted halls. So, we'd just head downtown, have lunch, play a few video games.

About halfway through high school, the assembly policy changed (if there ever was one), and we had to attend. But, if we got to an exit before the teacher got there to watch it, we were out. Or we snuck out through the wood shop. Or we hid in the washroom for a few minutes, until the coast was clear.

Each day started with the national anthem (O Canada) and the Lord's Prayer. There might even have been a scripture reading. I graduated in '89, and they might already have started the "moment of silence" BS by my last year. I'm a little fuzzy on that. And when the anthem and prayer were broadcast over the PA system, you stopped what you were doing, and stood there. Didn't matter if you were running in the door five minutes late, as I often was.

Which reminds me of a nice loophole in the attendance system. The teacher of a particular class would mark you absent at the beginning of the class. If you were late, you got a late slip and signed a book. The record of your tardiness cancelled your absence. But there really didn't seem to be any measure in place to determine whether the slip actually got delivered to the teacher. At least, they didn't seem to worry too much about it. I was not one of those guys who habitually bagged class, but it came in handy a couple of times. Being someone who was habitually late actually made it easier, however.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: LilCerberus on December 20, 2007, 12:36:45 PM
Born in 70, I'm just old enough to remember when selling & delivering newspapers, and landscaping median strips were the sorts of jobs twelve year old kids did, & I just got in on the tail end of on the job training.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: asimpson2006 on December 20, 2007, 03:00:59 PM
A lot of things changed when was there and bunch of stuff changed AFTER I graduated.

Here is what changed (I graduated in 04)

Random drug tests for all students.  There were different disicpline actions for each offense.  I think the first one was that you were banned from school sponsered events (Sports games, dances,etc) for 30 days.  2nd offense was I think half a year a year ban from school sponsered events, I think the third offense was a ban from all school sponsered events the rest of your time at the school.

The school also tried to broden their area of control outside of school property.  This one really flipped my s**t.  If you a staff member, or teacher sees you doing something illegal off campus, you can get suspended from school sponsered events.  That really made me mad, since they were trying to go outside of their jurisdiction and trying to get any one and everyone in trouble for something.

I don't know if that's done anymore or not.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: trekgeezer on December 20, 2007, 03:12:06 PM
I grew up in a very different time and I understand why schools have some of the rules they have now.  The real problem is the total lack of common sense applied to the enforcement of those rules.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: BeyondTheGrave on December 20, 2007, 05:03:22 PM
I went to a catholic all boy school here in NYC graduadated 03.

-You could smoke(Cigs) outside with no hassle

- Anytime their was drugs weapons etc.. was found their was no cops involed it was either suspension or expulsion and of course parents called.

-I could be absent as much as I wanted (Which I was:wink:) as long as I had a parent note.

- Some of my teachers were politcal and wore on their sleeves but taught the lesson and left that out.

-No security. teachers would handle it.

-Thier was on candy machine down by the gym but I don't know if anyone ever used it.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: Mr. DS on December 21, 2007, 07:53:08 AM
Few things...

If you weren't there for the bus, it wouldn't wait for you.  Rather, you were sh!t out of luck trying to find a way to school. 

People actually had to walk, regardless of a lack of sidewalks, over a quarter mile to catch the bus or to get to school.

As a kid, you could kiss/harrass a girl in elementary school and not have charges slammed against you.

There was little choice on the cafeteria menu.  What they served is what you got unless you brown bagged your lunch.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: AndyC on December 21, 2007, 12:26:55 PM
Ah, walking to school. I remember from kindergarten right through to high school, I walked ten to fifteen minutes four times a day, because I also went home for lunch. Rides to school were for thunderstorms and snowstorms that weren't quite bad enough to close the school. Kids took shortcuts through the wooded park, past an open drainage ditch, across a street full of 70s land yachts. I knew a guy in senior public school (I guess it would be middle school south of the border) who came halfway across town (a couple of miles) and when the weather was good enough to bike, he went home for lunch.

Today, the only kids who seem to walk to school are the ones living within a block or two. The street is clogged with cars twice a day, as they drop off or pick up. Kids where I grew up don't have the option of going home for lunch anymore, regardless of where they live or what their parents do. That's thanks to the "balanced school day" that actually unbalances the day into three pieces not resembling anything practiced in the world outside school. Instead of the nice 70 or 80 minutes I got for lunch, during which I could take a healthy walk home for hot, nutritious food and come back with time to play outside, these kids get a couple of short breaks, with one designated a nutrition break (but it's called something more jargony). Many kids never had the option of going home, but that doesn't mean brown bagging should be considered the ideal. If they can go home, let them.

When I was in elementary school, my dad was a detective working shifts. When he worked the late shift, we still sat down as a family at noon and shared a meal. Can't do that today.

And from the balanced day, it's probably an easy step to the balanced year, with summer break chopped up and redistributed, and kids sitting in classrooms on the nicest days of the year. It's sick and it's something a lot of the parents were strongly opposed to, but that board always had a keen interest in social engineering, at least since the late 80s. Funding cuts in the 90s forced them back to basics, but money started flowing again and some old, familiar names were voted back onto the board, and they're back at it. Glad I moved away from there before I had to put any kids in those schools. Not that the schools where I live now aren't messed up in their own way, but at least they're concerned primarily with teaching the kids.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: LilCerberus on December 21, 2007, 03:35:19 PM
I remember when a nickel over & above the minimum wage was actually worth it, & $4.00 an hour was pretty darned good.

I remember when you could buy a modest, but decent house for $30k.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: trekgeezer on December 21, 2007, 03:44:45 PM
I remember when a nickel over & above the minimum wage was actually worth it, & $4.00 an hour was pretty darned good.

I remember when you could buy a modest, but decent house for $30k.

When I was 17 I worked 10 hours a day in grocery warehouse for a $1.65!! I thought i was uptown when I joined the Navy and they paid me $388 a month.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: Raffine on December 22, 2007, 02:00:18 AM
I remember on The Price is Right when they gave away a really expensive car, they'd add a "1" to the beginning of the price, and the audience would gasp.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: Jack on December 22, 2007, 09:31:13 AM
I remember when people would literally scoff at the notion that gas would ever reach $1.00 a gallon.

I remember when it was unheard of for someone to check your ID when buying cigarettes. 

I remember when driving drunk was perfectly legal.

I remember when CD's came out, people predicted that true music lovers would never use them because they lacked that "natural" sound of an album.

I remember every winter, people would take the regular tires off their car and put the snow tires on.

I remember those Polaroid cameras where you'd take a picture, then wait 1 minute and peel the paper off, and like magic, there would be your photograph!

I remember party lines, where you shared your phone service with another house, and had to wait until they got done talking before you could make your call.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: LilCerberus on December 22, 2007, 09:48:40 PM
Longtime readers should know my feelings about football, so please excuse me if I'm recallecting this all wrong, but...

It seems I can remember a time when the SuperBowl was, well, a football game... And it was the Rose Bowl that was overhyped.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: AndyC on December 22, 2007, 11:14:08 PM
Computer technology would be an interesting topic on which to compare notes, since it has changed so much. My recollections (those listed here) span about an eight-year period.

I remember when:

Computers stored information on magnetic tape.

You could get books of computer games, and type them in.

It seemed hard to believe someone could fill 16k of RAM, and a machine with 48k was a monster.

Computers appeared that offered graphics in several colours.

People could sit for hours navigating video games that were little more than a few blocky shapes on a screen.

A modem had two cups that fit a 'standard' telephone handset, and operated at 300bps.

Companies and institutions had multiple workstations that shared a single computer.

There was one guy on my street who owned a computer.

It was a big deal for a school to own a single TRS-80 Model 1, and a sizeable computer club could be organized around it.

A hard drive was a large external box that cost several thousand dollars (more than the business PC it attached to, which was, itself, a few grand).

Isaac Asimov endorsed Tandy word processing software.

Home computers all ran BASIC from ROM on startup, but each brand used a slightly different version.

You could produce a fascinating half-hour weekly TV show of a guy sitting in a room with a computer, giving demonstrations of word processing and BASIC programming, and visiting the occasional BBS using that 300-baud acoustic coupler I mentioned earlier.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: odinn7 on December 22, 2007, 11:37:20 PM
Holy crap Andy....I was just talking to someone about most of those points just yesterday morning. We were talking about how things have changed and I was going on about computers...my Vic-20...LOL!

I also mentioned phones...When I was a kid, phones had dials. As I got older, they started having buttons. Portable phones had metal antennas that you had to extend. Cell phones were in a big freakin bag.

Anyone remember the clock radios with the numbers that would flip over? They were mounted on some kind of card and if you listened, you could hear the time change...then they started making LCD clocks.

Remember VCR's? The first ones? Wired remote with a slider on it: "Pause"-"Play"...LOL! They were like $800 and blank tapes were over $20 each....and to buy a movie? Forget it!


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: CheezeFlixz on December 23, 2007, 12:13:25 AM
Quote
Remember VCR's? The first ones? Wired remote with a slider on it: "Pause"-"Play"...LOL! They were like $800 and blank tapes were over $20 each....and to buy a movie? Forget it!

In the attic somewhere I still have a very old VCR with a WIRED REMOTE! The wire was only about 12' long so in a large room it wouldn't reach the chair.

Also out early remote control on the TV were 'tone' remotes, thus earning them the name of the "clicker" and a motor in the TV would turn the dial as they would only change 1 channel at a time, good thing we only had 4 channels. Most were on those console TV's that were made to look like a big cabinet and they weighed a ton.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: Jack on December 23, 2007, 10:30:24 AM
Most were on those console TV's that were made to look like a big cabinet and they weighed a ton.

Yup, we had one of those.  It was at least five feet wide, with a phonograph in one side and a stereo in the other.  And we put the 8 track player on top. 


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: Yaddo 42 on December 23, 2007, 11:33:17 AM
The High School Stuff:

Knives, lots of them.

Guns in gun racks were allowed in the parking lots until the last year or two I was there. Then guys started carrying bats, clubs, and axe handles instead.

No smoking or dipping allowed, but plenty still tried.

It was a huge deal when the cafeteria had a differents menu on each side, there were two lines. One side was mostly burgers, that's what I went for since I loved the fries and the line was quicker. We also had a salad bar.

Prayers at the football games are still done here, I covered nine football games in three counties as a stringer this year, they prayed before every game.

Kids were allowed to drive to the trade school up the road rather than ride the bus at my school. Until a guy in my class nearly got himself and another kid killed in a wreck due to his hot rod driving. Following those cars out at lunch was a clever way to cut class, everyone expected to see kids leaving en masse at that time of day.

The only politics or religion I got in my public high school was from a conservative history teacher (and retired military officer) and one fundamentalist biology teacher. The history teacher was also a voter registrar in the small town and would sign up the 18 year old students to vote, he used to joke he would only register Republicans, until a town official got on his case about it.

The biology teacher told us he didn't agree with evolution section of the book and only taught us as much as he had to, and made sure to point out his creationist beliefs and that he was a Young Earth believer. There was a blowup one year over certain text books being too secular, including the Home Ec. book in the class I was in that year. It was really just the state legislature posturing and fighting with the AEA, but about half the chapters in our book were disallowed from the final exam.

About half the school and teachers missed class to attend the funeral of the town character, "Happy" Simpson. He was a mostly friendly drunk who knew the whole town, and at one time or another had been in almost every organization possible. I was told at one time he was the only person who was a known member of the Band Boosters and the local chapter of the KKK.

We had cowchip bingo as part of the homecoming festivities. For spring fling the husband of the Spanish teacher, who owned a junkyard, provided a car with teachers' names written on for the students to pay to hit with a sledgehammer. You really found out who was the most hated on campus that day.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: asimpson2006 on December 23, 2007, 05:45:59 PM
Remember VCR's? The first ones? Wired remote with a slider on it: "Pause"-"Play"...LOL! They were like $800 and blank tapes were over $20 each....and to buy a movie? Forget it!

I sorta remember VCR's with the Wired remotes.  I think I was just a toddler or very young like 4 or 5 I was at my aunts apartment that was near where I lived.  I remembered playing the wired VCR remote.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: RCMerchant on December 23, 2007, 07:35:57 PM
Most were on those console TV's that were made to look like a big cabinet and they weighed a ton.

Yup, we had one of those.  It was at least five feet wide, with a phonograph in one side and a stereo in the other.  And we put the 8 track player on top. 

And to watch Walt Disneys Wonderful World of CO LO R !!! OoooooooHHHH!  :buggedout:


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: Killer Bees on December 23, 2007, 08:29:54 PM
The biggest problem we had growing up in high school was teenage pregnancies.  And I didn't know anyone who that happened to.

Also, smoking behind the bike sheds at school was considered cool and dangerous.

I always brought a knife to school to peel my fruit at lunch time.

Teachers used to throw chalk, rulers, t-squares etc at kids who misbehaved.  If they connected, there were no consequences to the school or the teacher.  Most times, kids didn't say anything to their parents for fear of copping worse abuse at home.

My male (and nice looking) maths teacher used to stare at the girls' legs while they were crossed and us girls considered it high praise.  Most of us deliberately crossed our legs in the aisles to get his attention.

In 8th grade (at 13 years of age), my best friend lived with her divorced mother.  They were both attractive and her mother used to date guys in their 20s.  I think her mother was in her early to mid 30s at the time.  I remember Tanya, my friend telling me of her sexual exploits with her mother's many boyfriends and their friends while the mother was out (this included oral sex and various other forms of sex that I didn't even know existed).  Nothing happened about this rampant paedophilia.  I actually thought Tanya was really cool because older guys thought she was hot.

A VCR was the height of technology and Space Invaders was awesome indeed.

Smoking was allowed everywhere, including public transport and they used to advertise it on television and in magazines.

A female PE teacher used to cheat on her husband with the 12th grade guys all the time.  They would come in and brag how they managed to nail her.  She didn't lose her job or her husband or her freedom and nobody ended up in therapy because of it.

A male PE teacher lost his drivers license from drunk driving but he didn't lose his job.  He just ended up riding his pushbike to work until they gave his license back.  Most of us didn't understand what the fuss was about.  My stepdad used to drive under the influence with us kids in the back and none of us wore seatbelts ever.  And nothing ever happened to any of us.





Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: AndyC on December 24, 2007, 11:58:27 AM
Around 1980, my best friend's dad was really into gadgets. He had a portable video camera. Basically, it was a top-loading vcr split in two, with the tape machine in one piece and the TV tuner and modulator in the other. They connected with a cable as thick as your thumb, using a connector that screwed together. When you wanted to take your camera out, you unscrewed the tuner cable from the tape unit, and attached the shoulder strap. You then screwed in the cable from the video camera (there might also have been a separate battery pack, but I don't recall precisely) and walked out the door with a VCR hanging from your shoulder, a big battery on your belt, and a camera in your hand roughly the size and shape of a large electric drill, connected by a big, honking cable. To watch your video, repeat the process. State of the art.

And do you remember the VCRs with a few individual channel buttons, that could be tuned with a little plastic screwdriver? Or VCRs with a pair of channel dials like a TV? My school had a Beta machine the size of a suitcase, top loading, with channel dials and buttons like piano keys.

On the subject of phones, my uncle used to have a phone in his truck. It looked just like a household phone, except that the handset sat on a simple box with a couple of big buttons on top. To make a call, you had to first signal the mobile operator, give your call sign and the city where you're registered, then tell the operator the number you want to call so she can connect you.

My parents had one rotary wall phone with mechanical bell. We rented it from the phone company, and it was hard-wired into the house. They kept that thing well into the 90s, even after adding other phones around the house. When I convinced them to let me install a display phone, the phone company actually required them to return the old phone! Imagine, they'd been paying rent on this thing for almost 30 years. Not only didn't the phone company at least upgrade it, they insisted on throwing it in the trash themselves years after it was obsolete.

As a side note, I remember when a standard line was rotary, and touch tone cost extra. Now it's the other way around.

And does anybody else remember the cool, futuristic phones with a rotary dial right in the handset?


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: indianasmith on December 24, 2007, 06:09:06 PM
How about 8-TRACK TAPES!!!!! Remember when they would change programs in the middle of the song?  Here you are trying to sing along, and in the middle of an awesome guitar riff or long solo not "GRRRZZZ-KERCHUNK-POP!"  I was SO glad to upgrade to cassettes . . . and I just went to CD's about three years ago!


BTW, what exactly is an IPOD, anyway?


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: AndyC on December 25, 2007, 12:40:41 AM
How about 8-TRACK TAPES!!!!! Remember when they would change programs in the middle of the song?  Here you are trying to sing along, and in the middle of an awesome guitar riff or long solo not "GRRRZZZ-KERCHUNK-POP!"  I was SO glad to upgrade to cassettes . . . and I just went to CD's about three years ago!

Fascinating technology though, how they get the thing to run on an endless loop like that. Of course, that was what bugged me the most - listening through a quarter of the album to hear the same song again.

I still remember when my dad put an 8-track in the Suburban. My parents kept a shoebox full of cartridges, by such great artists as Glen Campbell, John Denver, Charley Pride and miscellaneous bagpipe music.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: HappyGilmore on December 25, 2007, 09:02:57 PM
I graduated in 2002.

All I remember is, the police were pretty standard in showing up on a consistent basis.  School security was around, alot. 

Gangs were around.

Kids were urinating in the hall.

Some girl was raped.  Possibly more. 

Sex was a common theme.  Apparently one rumor was that a girl kinda had her way with a few football players after a game. 

Nice school. :buggedout:

I'm glad I got out when I did, cause it's gotten worse.

No weapons as far as guns were around, but I heard some kids were found with knives.  Drugs were around too.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: odinn7 on December 25, 2007, 10:14:15 PM


Sex was a common theme.  Apparently one rumor was that a girl kinda had her way with a few football players after a game. 



Eh...that rumor was at every school...so was the girl and the stuck hot dog.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: LilCerberus on December 26, 2007, 12:38:49 AM
"You guys got to have sex, drugs and rock & roll. All we had was AIDS, crack and Madonna."

This evening, I opened a party popper & got a plastic ring with one of those little puzzles on it, where you try & get the little BBs to go into the hole. It made me remember Cracker Jacks, & when the surprise inside was something you could actually play with, made of real live genuine plastic imported from Hong Kong.

I just realized something about school that I should've figured out years ago; We were required to have a #2 pencil. A"NUMBER TWO" pencil. Get it? #2? ... Aw, never mind.

In six days, we're gonna drop the ball again.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: HappyGilmore on December 26, 2007, 09:45:01 AM


Sex was a common theme.  Apparently one rumor was that a girl kinda had her way with a few football players after a game. 



Eh...that rumor was at every school...so was the girl and the stuck hot dog.
That is true.  But thing is, I knew the girl the rumor was about and sadly, would actually believe it went down, based off of how she got around.  Only thing is, it's not something you walk up and ask about.  That thing though, I don't believe, although there was sex on campus.  Terrible school, I hated it.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: odinn7 on December 26, 2007, 12:21:59 PM
I knew the girl in one of my schools that the football team rumor was about...yeah, she was somewhat easy but not THAT easy and I never did believe it about her. The poor girl was named Denise and so many people went around calling her Disease based on their thoughts of what everyone said about her. Too bad they didn't really take the time to get to know her as she was really quite a nice person.

It only takes one a-hole to start a rumor that can affect a kid for the rest of their school days...maybe longer.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: Andrew on December 26, 2007, 12:26:29 PM
I knew the girl in one of my schools that the football team rumor was about...yeah, she was somewhat easy but not THAT easy and I never did believe it about her. The poor girl was named Denise and so many people went around calling her Disease based on their thoughts of what everyone said about her. Too bad they didn't really take the time to get to know her as she was really quite a nice person.

It only takes one a-hole to start a rumor that can affect a kid for the rest of their school days...maybe longer.

On the other hand, we had one girl in my school who would show off her rug burns to her "friends" before class started.  I wouldn't have touched that with a ten foot pole, even if it was covered in plastic wrap.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: ulthar on December 26, 2007, 01:49:01 PM
I got to stop one of those rumors one time....a dude called one of my best friends a "whore," and basically was trying to hurt her rep because he was mad at her about something.

I grabbed him by the neck and slammed his head into the wall.  He complained that it was none of my business.  He may have been correct about that, but he no longer tried to spread that particular rumor.

Nowadays, I probably would have been expelled, arrested, my parents sued and a lien put against my first born for sticking up for her like that.  Truth was, she was a really nice young lady.  I have NO IDEA what she did in private with her boyfriends, but she sure did not deserve that just because she did not loan him a calculator in math class or some such foolishness.

I too knew girls who had the 'football' rumor - heck, at my school, one of them was a teacher who was my best friend's mother.  Shoot, man, what galls me is that kind of thing does not end after high school.  In GRAD school, a group of people started rumors about a friend of mine - really stupid stuff.  And this was in a VERY socially and politically liberal college town.  I remember she was quite upset, wondering what the H she did to them to deserve it.

On the one hand, I don't care what people think about me, but on the other, I have to admit, I don't want people thinking I am a TOTAL butt hole ALL the time.  I imagine it is worse for a woman and rumors of this sort.  At least it used to be...


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: CheezeFlixz on December 26, 2007, 02:35:51 PM
As I'm sure you all know stupid rumors are not limited to grade school and high school. I heard them in college, the military, offices, work, the barber shop, life in general.

Our high school football rumor was and I was on the team, was this hot but loose girl that "pleasured" so many player on the team after losing a bet that we'd lose against some team, that she had to go to the hospital and have her stomach pumped out as she had either a quart to 2 gallons (depending on the rumor) of "baby batter" in her. Interestingly not one single player I knew of or any player any one knew, recalled contributing to the "baby batter" cocktail she was rumored to have had in her. Mostly we were b***hing because we didn't and felt owed a BJ. One of the many football rumors that were told. Most involved sex, drugs, booze or violence. I could tell you dozens I heard in school and 1000's I've heard since.

So I learned believe nothing you hear and half of what you see and you'll be fine.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: RCMerchant on December 26, 2007, 04:56:43 PM


So I learned believe nothing you hear and half of what you see and you'll be fine.

Haha! I grew up around an old Russian farmer,Nickoli  Siskaninitz, and he lived by them words! I did a lot of shoveling ear corn,cutting wood and fishing with his son Nick...and we drank a lot of his old man's home-made wine!
 This has nothing to do with school...but the saying jogged a few old memories.   :drink:

 That old man also taught me how to catch kill and clean a snapping turtle,butcher hogs,chew tobacco,skin game,and tell me stories about WWII and Korea. He was more of a father to me than my own . I miss that old man...


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: HappyGilmore on December 26, 2007, 10:17:49 PM
The rumors are a bad thing, and ultimately she probably never did it.  It's really not something you approach someone with.  I never actually engaged in the rumor or spread it or anything, someone just mentioned it to me.  Not really my scene as I was a bit of an outcast.  I just stuck with my small group of peeps.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: KYGOTC on December 27, 2007, 03:04:28 PM
Ho boy, lemmie see I can remember that long ago. Lets see, When did I graduate.....Back in........spring of 2007? Boy, is THAT a stretch back in time! Yea back then, not a whole lot of really interesting things happened. Then again, it WAS just a crappy tiny chatholic school of about 450 people total, so all we ever got was the false bomb threat now and then.  And the potsmokers out on the footballfeild.....and of course my wonderous adventures in the creek BEHIND the football feild that I always sneeked to whenever we had an obnoctiously loud pep rally. I guess that about it.

And from what I hear, a teacher that was there last year isnt there anymore because she got fired because she got pregnant but not married. Catholic school. Go figure.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: Yaddo 42 on December 27, 2007, 11:56:31 PM
We never had the "team" rumor, we did have some girls with the slutty rep, one in particular who was supposed to have slept with scores of guys. Yet, strangely all her conquests were from other schools. She went to the prom with one of the most devoutly religious guy in the school, I'm convinced just to mess with people's heads.

We had a surge in girls getting knocked up from the time I hit 10th grade on. Plus my public high school was the unoffical place where girls at the local religious high school who got knocked up transfered to when they were kicked out. I used to joke we were going to need a day care center on campus.

The rumors really don't stop after school, I just heard a rumor today about two fairly level headed (and attractive) women at work almost getting into a fight over a certain goofy guy at work. This was strange to me since I had wanted to ask out one of them when I first started my new job, but was told she didn't date people at work because she had gone to lunch with him and he got "grabby" and it was awkward afterward. So either the guy is a pig or women can't keep their hands off him, or both stories are pure bunk.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: HappyGilmore on December 28, 2007, 09:42:00 PM
High school was bad, but I loved it compared to the Catholic school I went to from 4th-8th grade.  That place was bad.  No violence or nothing, just the kids were terrible.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: CheezeFlixz on December 28, 2007, 10:38:25 PM
High school was bad, but I loved it compared to the Catholic school I went to from 4th-8th grade.  That place was bad.  No violence or nothing, just the kids were terrible.

I when from 1st to 9th grade in Catholic School and I was a left-handed Methodist which to the Catholics in the late 60's early 70's was about as near to Satan as you could get. I still have scars on my left hand from getting it hit and I can still write right handed if I have too. :buggedout:


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: Allhallowsday on December 28, 2007, 11:03:10 PM
High school was bad, but I loved it compared to the Catholic school I went to from 4th-8th grade.  That place was bad.  No violence or nothing, just the kids were terrible.
I when from 1st to 9th grade in Catholic School and I was a left-handed Methodist which to the Catholics in the late 60's early 70's was about as near to Satan as you could get. I still have scars on my left hand from getting it hit and I can still write right handed if I have too. :buggedout:
Did similar time in parochial school, though my parents' excuse was they were raising us Catholic... got a good education, though I can imagine what you mean about being a left-handed Methodist... we had other non-Catholics in the schools I attended and they were "tolerated." 


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: CheezeFlixz on December 29, 2007, 12:33:57 AM
Did similar time in parochial school, though my parents' excuse was they were raising us Catholic... got a good education, though I can imagine what you mean about being a left-handed Methodist... we had other non-Catholics in the schools I attended and they were "tolerated." 

I was THE ONLY non-catholic in the school. The good thing about it was, every day 6st period was religion class and not being catholic I didn't have to take it and I could leave school early. This is back in the day when a school kid could walk safely alone about town. My day gave me 50 cent to go to the Kraver Theater and watch movies, what be they play? Old B-Movies in the afternoon show. 50's sci-fi and 40's comedies. Cost 25 cents to get in and 25 cents for a popcorn and drink. The movie would let out about 4:30 or so and about that time my Dad would pick me up. Now that was quality afternoon child care. If the movie was boring I'd go to the balcony projection room and do my homework.

Ah those were the days.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: Jack on December 29, 2007, 08:50:22 AM
I went to Catholic school from 1st - 8th grade.  Can still remember the nuns.  One kid had slightly long hair, and one of the nuns told him he could either get it cut, or she would cut it for him - in class.  A couple of them were straight out of a bad movie, you'd never believe anyone could be so strict and so cliched if you hadn't seen it in real life.  Luckily most of my classes were taught be a real nice young lady, we only had a few classes with the nuns.  One of the male teachers had a yardstick, though I don't remember ever getting hit with it.  Apparently it was a pretty good incentive for good behaviour.  I think we actually had a woman teacher (non-nun) who got divorced, but they still let her teach there.  I guess they were somewhat lenient.  Her son, who was one of my better friends in elementary school, will be spending the next ten or fifteen years of his life in jail for selling cocaine.  Not a good idea to get busted with a pile of cocaine when you're out on bail awaiting trial for selling cocaine.  Odd how things turn out.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: ulthar on December 29, 2007, 09:38:29 AM
My first few years of elementary school were at a Lutheran school.  My best friend, who lived across the street from me, was Catholic and he and his sisters went to a Catholic school.

I remember asking my parents if it was OK for me to be friends with him.   :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: Yaddo 42 on December 29, 2007, 05:52:51 PM
Catholic school from kindergarden through sixth grade. Great education, bad almost everything else. I was a shy kid to begin with, this place didn't help.

Only had nuns teaching a few classes, and those were most old, frail, mean or out of touch. My non-nun teachers ran the gamut from the kind and sweet (who rarely stayed long) to the remote and stuck up to might as well have been a nun (the sixth grade teacher, a spinster who has always lived with her parents, don't know what she'll do when her father dies).

The principal, a cold and impersonal nun, played head games and guilt trips on me when my parents decided to move me to public school for junior high. Lack of a good science program (at the time), socialization, money, and my parents pending divorce were all issues; she had no right to mess with me that way, and I was too meek and afraid of authority figures to tell her off like she deserved, rather than just state facts to her.

The kids had a pecking order that once locked into place never changed, the only way I moved up on it was when someone new came in who was lower than me. It was roughly the same class of 30-odd kids you had know since the first day you were there.

When I got older and reading 1984 and Kafka, it wasn't hard to relate, all I had to do was think of my Catholic school days.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: HappyGilmore on December 29, 2007, 10:06:29 PM
I fortunately never had a nun as a teacher, but I did have this b***h of a teacher, who happened to be the mother of a student in my class, and the assistant teacher was the mother of another student.  I pretty much learned in 4th grade that I had somewhat of an 'anti-authority' issue, and it hasn't subsided.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: CheezeFlixz on December 30, 2007, 01:23:12 AM
My principle was Sister Marie Ann who we call "turtle" because when she talked her head bobbed in and out of her habit like a turtle. Then there was Sister Louise Catherine ... no BAD HABIT ... old and mean and hated non-catholics, really hated left-handed non-catholics/ that women was evil. I had mostly nuns for teachers and very few non-nuns.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: BTM on December 30, 2007, 02:42:50 PM

My male (and nice looking) maths teacher used to stare at the girls' legs while they were crossed and us girls considered it high praise.  Most of us deliberately crossed our legs in the aisles to get his attention.


Wow.  I mean, wow. 

Not sure if this is a good or bad, but it sure is different.  I mean, on the one hand, as long as he's just looking, I guess it's cool, but... I dunno. 

As you probably now, nowadays just the accusation of a teacher doing stuff like that is enough to get them in serious trouble, and a lot of the girls know it too. 

Unless of course, said teacher belongs to the teacher's unions.. know of a cases where a teacher was sending explicit emails to a sixteen year old girl and it STILL took over a year to fire the guy.


In 8th grade (at 13 years of age), my best friend lived with her divorced mother.  They were both attractive and her mother used to date guys in their 20s.  I think her mother was in her early to mid 30s at the time.  I remember Tanya, my friend telling me of her sexual exploits with her mother's many boyfriends and their friends while the mother was out (this included oral sex and various other forms of sex that I didn't even know existed).  Nothing happened about this rampant paedophilia.  I actually thought Tanya was really cool because older guys thought she was hot.


Again, wow.  I mean, being brutally honest, I sometimes wish I could nail high school girls (especially since I couldn't while I was in high school) but still...  A thirteen year old though?  That's a bit creepy. 


A female PE teacher used to cheat on her husband with the 12th grade guys all the time.  They would come in and brag how they managed to nail her.  She didn't lose her job or her husband or her freedom and nobody ended up in therapy because of it.


Now that's REALLY strange, as most female gym teachers I hear about usually have affairs with female students.

Oooh!  Sorry, couldn't resist.   :smile:



Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: raj on December 30, 2007, 03:49:22 PM
I never went to Catholic school, but my fourth grade teacher was an ex-nun of 25 years.  No idea why she stopped being a nun after such a long time, but she was mean.  I got yelled at because I had a pencil box in my desk (her rule was no pencil boxes).  She also got mad at me because she wanted me to sing the "seven swans a-swimming" part, and when I tried to sing it the way she asked she said it was wrong.  To this day I hate/refuse to sing.  Which is probably for the best.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: RCMerchant on December 30, 2007, 04:25:01 PM
 I never really liked school.
 An art teacher we had,Mrs.Gleason,once grabbed me by the neck and scratched me real bad-I was bleeding. I,in turn kicked her in the shins. I got suspended. She probally(see? I can't even spell-shoulda stayed in school!) got applauded by the staff!
 Another time our history teacher (can't rember his name,wanna-be jock type of shmuck) grabbed me by the neck for not narcing on someone who posted a Hustler center fold on his world map.  He singled me out because I just busted out laffing the second I saw it when he pulled the map down.I told him I didn't know (I really DID know-but I wasn't about to rat) ,and he started choking me. I boxed his ear. Once again I was kicked out. Meh. Memorieeeeees,like some blah blah in my mind,mist muddy,something memorieeeeeeeeees...!


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: ulthar on December 30, 2007, 04:33:47 PM

 Another time our history teacher (can't rember his name,wanna-be jock type of shmuck) grabbed me by the neck for not narcing on someone who posted a Hustler center fold on his world map. 


Different teachers, different responses.  I was in band in high school, and I remember at one concert (a pretty formal deal that our band teachers took VERY seriously), someone put a centerfold spread in the score for one of the teachers to see when they opened it to conduct.

He opened the score, saw it, sorta cocked his head, picked it up and held it up for the whole band (but not the audience) to see.  I always wondered if the audience (mostly parents) wondered what everyone was laughing about before that piece started.

To my knowledge, nothing was ever said about it.

RC, that's nuts you got suspended for defending yourself.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: Justy on December 30, 2007, 07:07:59 PM
I was in High School from 86-90.

I went to Catholic school from 5th Grade through High School. I never really had the bad experiences that everyone seems to have, but then again I liked school so maybe that makes me weird. Now I'm not saying that there weren't any sexually repressed nuns who took out their frustrations on the kids. It's just that you leaned how to work around them and they weren't all that bad. Some were actually cool and tried to keep up with the students.

I remember that our computer lab was all Apple IIE's.

We could eat lunch off-campus as long as we got back in time for class.

We didn't have any heavy drug problems but we did have a sub-culture of pot smoking 'Heads' who were actually pretty cool to hang out with. (I wasn't rich so wasn't accepted by the preps, so by default I was included in the ranks of the counter-cultured even though technically I was a brain... my status was very confusing... I helped with alot of homework.)

All modes of 80's fashion were popular.

Public displays of affection were looked down upon, but never really made a big deal about. I got nailed kissing my girlfriend between classes and never got into trouble.

The education was mainstream and balanced. We didn't have to deal with politically correct nonsense of the day.

As for the pre-internet days, remember BBS that you actually dialed into with you 300 baud modem. Waiting 5 to 10 minutes for the BBS to load was normal. I remember when getting the list of phone-numbers to 20 local BBS was the coolest thing in the world.

Ahh... and how can I forget play Pool of Radiance on my C-64 after school was the coolest thing.

George Michael's Sports Machine signified the end of the weekend and tommorrow I had to go to school.

And yes, our shop teacher would throw pencils at you if you didn't pay attention in class.

On more...  remember the slide clicker cable selector back when 40 channels was considered alot.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: Killer Bees on January 09, 2008, 11:11:11 PM
I got to stop one of those rumors one time....a dude called one of my best friends a "whore," and basically was trying to hurt her rep because he was mad at her about something.

I grabbed him by the neck and slammed his head into the wall.  He complained that it was none of my business.  He may have been correct about that, but he no longer tried to spread that particular rumor.

Nowadays, I probably would have been expelled, arrested, my parents sued and a lien put against my first born for sticking up for her like that.  Truth was, she was a really nice young lady.  I have NO IDEA what she did in private with her boyfriends, but she sure did not deserve that just because she did not loan him a calculator in math class or some such foolishness.

I too knew girls who had the 'football' rumor - heck, at my school, one of them was a teacher who was my best friend's mother.  Shoot, man, what galls me is that kind of thing does not end after high school.  In GRAD school, a group of people started rumors about a friend of mine - really stupid stuff.  And this was in a VERY socially and politically liberal college town.  I remember she was quite upset, wondering what the H she did to them to deserve it.

On the one hand, I don't care what people think about me, but on the other, I have to admit, I don't want people thinking I am a TOTAL butt hole ALL the time.  I imagine it is worse for a woman and rumors of this sort.  At least it used to be...

Sexual rumours about you is an awful thing even in this day and age.  Double standards are everywhere.  If you're a guy, you're a stud, if you're a girl, you're a slut.  The twist these days is, though, that if a guy is too promiscuous, woman talk amongst themselves about him being a user or a player and then only the "sluts" will sleep with him   :bouncegiggle:

But any rumours are dangerous and it doesn't matter how innocent your are or how obviously heinous the rumor monger is, people always believe the rumour.  Go figure.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: Killer Bees on January 09, 2008, 11:16:11 PM
My principle was Sister Marie Ann who we call "turtle" because when she talked her head bobbed in and out of her habit like a turtle. Then there was Sister Louise Catherine ... no BAD HABIT ... old and mean and hated non-catholics, really hated left-handed non-catholics/ that women was evil. I had mostly nuns for teachers and very few non-nuns.

I always believed that's what happened to people's personalities when they weren't allowed to have sex   :bouncegiggle:

But the best Catholic nun is the one from Blues Brothers.  When she starts hitting the guys and they keep swearing - I laugh so hard I can't breathe!


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: Killer Bees on January 09, 2008, 11:22:03 PM

My male (and nice looking) maths teacher used to stare at the girls' legs while they were crossed and us girls considered it high praise.  Most of us deliberately crossed our legs in the aisles to get his attention.


Wow.  I mean, wow. 

Not sure if this is a good or bad, but it sure is different.  I mean, on the one hand, as long as he's just looking, I guess it's cool, but... I dunno. 

As you probably now, nowadays just the accusation of a teacher doing stuff like that is enough to get them in serious trouble, and a lot of the girls know it too. 

Unless of course, said teacher belongs to the teacher's unions.. know of a cases where a teacher was sending explicit emails to a sixteen year old girl and it STILL took over a year to fire the guy.


In 8th grade (at 13 years of age), my best friend lived with her divorced mother.  They were both attractive and her mother used to date guys in their 20s.  I think her mother was in her early to mid 30s at the time.  I remember Tanya, my friend telling me of her sexual exploits with her mother's many boyfriends and their friends while the mother was out (this included oral sex and various other forms of sex that I didn't even know existed).  Nothing happened about this rampant paedophilia.  I actually thought Tanya was really cool because older guys thought she was hot.


Again, wow.  I mean, being brutally honest, I sometimes wish I could nail high school girls (especially since I couldn't while I was in high school) but still...  A thirteen year old though?  That's a bit creepy. 


A female PE teacher used to cheat on her husband with the 12th grade guys all the time.  They would come in and brag how they managed to nail her.  She didn't lose her job or her husband or her freedom and nobody ended up in therapy because of it.


Now that's REALLY strange, as most female gym teachers I hear about usually have affairs with female students.

Oooh!  Sorry, couldn't resist.   :smile:



Wow is right.  It was very different back then.  I graduated high school in 1983. Teachers' reps were impeccable and it never occurred to anyone that teachers would indulge in affairs with students.  I don't think it really happened then anyway.  Girls weren't as sexually sophisticated as they are now.  Besides, I think my friend Tanya was an extreme exception.

I pesonally think she was sexualised too early.  And when she was describing to me what she did with those guys, the BJs mainly, I couldnt even begin to picture how that could happen.  I was never an idiot, just a little naive and I honestly didn't think what she did was wrong in any way.  Hell, I never did anything with a guy until I was 18!

But I grew up in a screwy household, so I never really knew what proper adult/child behaviours and boundaries were supposed to be.

I often wonder what became of her.  She was a good person.


Title: Re: I Remember When
Post by: BTM on January 10, 2008, 01:35:21 AM
I personally think she was sexualized too early. 

I wouldn't be surprised if there was some abuse in her background, sad to say.  :(

But I grew up in a screwy household, so I never really knew what proper adult/child behaviors and boundaries were supposed to be.

Well, unless the guy you were with was twenty or so years older than you, I'd say you learned a lot boundaries than she did. 

I often wonder what became of her.  She was a good person.

Have you tried myspace?  Found a few of my former classmates that way.