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The Lester-bashing thread (and that is what it is),got me to thinking...is there anything YOU believe in...or like-that people take immeadite offensive to? Personally...and if I get bashed for this,I'll understand...so go for it...

I like the music of Charles Manson.

Yes...he was a psycho meglomaniac.

He was a killer and a self centered madman.

But...I like his music. I even own a copy of the album LIES.

OK. So....anyone care to share?

 http://youtube.com/watch?v=jw8S7TJPqGs

okay I've heard of free speech but this is ridiculous.  I'mm supposed to discuss fim with someone who venerates a sadistic muderer like manson.  dude, your sick.  you're a bad person.  fie, fie on you

 :hatred:

Not saying this just to take the contrary position, Lester, but -- RC says he likes the music, not that he venerates the guy.

At least, from what I'm reading, that is what I take from his post.

I think it's OK to appreciate his music.  From what I hear on that video, I think the music is OK -- I don't know that I would personally buy the album, but it's better than William Shatner's version of "Rocket Man."

Personally, I find Elton John's personal politics offensive at times.  Not that he is gay, but at times his bashing all of organized religion as he has, I find that offensive.  But I've always enjoyed the majority of his music, and I did see him in concert once.  He can play! 

Fie on me? I prefer pie. I like pie.

Well, Bad Movies of course.

I wish I could count the number of times I've been at some Social Gathering, complete with members of the Local Upper Crust, and when asked what I did Last Weekend, got strange looks when I recounted the wonderously id-oriented fun of BIKINI BLOOD BATH...or SORORITY BABES IN THE SLIMEBALL BOWL-O-RAMA ... ASSAULT OF THE KILLER BIMBOS...or....well, you get the idea.

The monied, socially conscious slurpers have a hard time handling it.  But hey, I guess I've become somewhat of a novelty, a conversation piece.

Uh...yeah...plenty.


I'm a vegetarian. Not only do some Christians find this offensive, but apparently some members of this board took issue with it in a thread once. Anybody want to bring it up again?


I'm an atheist (I only use the term for convenience as many people do not understand the term agnostic, and I do not subscribe to any of the rhetoric from organized atheist groups). I think we can certainly guess who takes offense at this.


Quite amazingly, some people take offense at my strong anti-racism stance (maybe it's just me they take offense at).


I'd go on, but I think I've seeded enough potential arguments as it is.


And what the hell does fie mean? At least in the context that lester is using it?

Is it like 'fee fie fo fum, I smell the blood of a Merchant man'? :teddyr:

Hardcore Religious People. The ones that look at me odd when I say my kid plays video games or watches Harry Potter movies. The ones that drag small children from door to door teaching them that this life is just crap you have to deal with until God comes down and burns the place up or you die and go to the better place.... How is that for messin up a kids mind. My religion is Karma. That is my fairy tale and I am stickin to it.

Could be. I'm only 5'2"...so most people are  giants.  :smile:

 Actually....I think Lester was just goofing around with his comment.

And yes, I find the whole Manson  saga fascinating...and the whole weird aura of the late 60's-early 70's hippie  burn-out meltdown era. But I don't plan on creepy crawling anyone.... yet....ooooOOOOOooooiiiieeeeoooo........ :buggedout:

Nothing wrong with finding the disturbing and odd interesting. Whenever there's a special about infamous crimes, people and the like on I'm probably watching it (one of my favorite shows is actually Most Evil.)

As for that whole previous "Manson" issue, the human condition is a huge spectrum and each part of it can hold an interest. My brother used to research serial killers and he read the Unibomber's Manifesto. He's not a bad person, he was just interested and wanted to learn more on the stories.  It's also history. Forget and you're doomed to repeat it and all that?

Well, I believe in ex nihilo Creation; also in miracles in general. That had at least one biology professor at my college calling me a heretic.

Then there's sorcery; I believe there really is such a thing, though I also believe it's evil to do any of it.

I also believe all religion should be organized, albeit to differing degrees for different peoples.

These three beliefs do away with about, oh, maybe 75% of people who'd otherwise vote for me if I were running for something. That's one reason why I'm not in politics.

OK...this is sure to offend everyone...!

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_WAPkhQzUI...I...think I'm gonna ...be...(urp) sick...

...except the bourbun part.

RCMerchant, I can only give ya so much karma tonight. :smile:

For me it's got to be video games, people don't seem to be offended by the games I buy, just by the fact that a middle aged man is buying them for himself, that and Badmovies. One of the people I work with found out that in addition to playing video games I also come here and not only read but also post, apparently this makes me some kind of strange old guy.

BELA's interest in MANSON's music is neither news nor unusual; we know he's a sick bastard (that's why we get along so well).   :twirl:
You can buy MANSON's CDs on Amazon, in fact there's a new one released this year:
 
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_/002-7470316-3009648?url=search-alias%3Dpopular&field-keywords=charles+manson (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_/002-7470316-3009648?url=search-alias%3Dpopular&field-keywords=charles+manson)

You are vegetarian for moral or health reasons?  I for one admire vegetarians, though fond of spring lamb.  How do you feel about liver with fava beans and a nice chianti? 

I have been described as an "atheist" more than once, but I think the term "atheist," literally is "against god-religion," and I'm not.  The term is hardly accurate to describe me, particularly as any kind of proselytizer.  I do challenge belief systems but only to determine mettle.   :thumbup:  Oh-oh-oh.  Oh!  No karma. 
 
"...bourbon in a glass... and grass!"  Looks like cannabis.   :wink:  :thumbup:

Yes...karma. In fact...Iv'e given karma to every one who has posted on this thread. The reason I posted this in the first place was I thought it would make a good catharasis (now I KNOW I must have spelt that wrong!) to air out ones thoughts ,on...well...whatever! 

  I can't recall anything that I believe in that people hate, but I hate those overly religious people that take something that's meant to be purely entertaining and exxagerate the one aspect that they can protest.  For instance people said that Harry Potter promoted witchcraft.  If you have ever read the books then you know that the magic in it is not satanistic witchcraft magic; but fun, happy, Santa kind of magic.
  Also, I hate people who force their beliefs on other people.  Like vegetarians who act like non-vegitarians are monsters.  Or christians who keep trying to convert non-christians, a pamphlet is fine, but don't go to people's homes and talk to them.  Also, atheists who act like anybody who believes in anything religious is an idiot.  If you don't believe in God fine.  Just don't be condecending because you think that when you die you just fall forgotten into oblivion.
  Finally, people who act like only white people can be racist.  Or that all white people are racist.  If you don't think that white people can/are offended by terms like cracker, honckey, etc. when not used from a comedic standpoint, you are an idiot.  And if you think that just because a person is white they hate everyone else, you are an idiot.

In fact, I believe in being offended by these things, and some people are offended by that.

More for moral reasons, if you want to call it that. I was the kid whose father and family hunted, but could not bring myself to take the life of an animal. I guess I was about 21 when I decided to become a vegetarian; more, I just decided not to eat meat, as the term vegetarian is just an easier way to say it than explain it.

As for the Hannibal diet, I have told this joke on here before, and it originated from me having to defend myself, verbally, about being a vegetarian:


I considered cannibalism before I became a vegetarian.
According to cannibals, the palm of the hand is the most delicious part of the human body.
I would, however, absolutely draw the line at anyone who has been to a palm reader.

(Usually followed by a confused look and the question 'why?')

Because I don't like read meat. (say it aloud) :teddyr: 




You are correct on the literal translation ('a', however, can simply denote being a polar opposite rather than literally 'against'), though most people take it to mean someone who does not believe in god, so it, like vegetarian, becomes an easy way to say it without having to explain it.

I have generally considered myself more of an agnostic (and talk about a term with various meanings), but have leaned more toward atheism, in basic tenets, in the past few years; so I accept the label.

I am not an atheist ignorant of the church. I was a minister in what I call a previous lifetime; eh, about 23-24 years ago.

The funny thing about the term "cracker" is that so few people actually understand the origin of the term. If you ask people what it refers to, probably 9 out of 10 will say that it's a reference to white people being white like a saltine or something. Ironically enough, it's actually a short version of "whip cracker", of course referring to the guys who beat the slaves. Ironic that a term everyone thinks is a derogatory joke aimed at white people is really a reference to someone in charge. I was always fond of the term "Wonder Bread" myself.  :tongueout:

Add one or two more there and you pretty much have about every special interest group covered.



So? What's your complaint?

Oh, it must be so horrible for a white person to be called 'cracker'.

And, what other social barriers exist for whites?

Yes, anybody can be racist. It's pretty shallow for a member of a socially privileged race to whine about it.

That's the only, that I can recall anyway, damn time I have wanted to give you karma.

Too bad I can't. :tongueout:

You could...(insert old Cheech and Chong routine voices) if you just signz zee paper,old man....!   :tongueout:

 English can be so much fun, in using the word "against" one must also think as opposite, or even, leaning against, as the other half of a vault, an opposing and equal force...  :smile:
BELA:  Why sign zee papier when one has no faith??

 :teddyr:

... :buggedout:

Okay, that clinches it: Who's really been posting under the guise of Menard? That, or someone needs to start imposing a three drink maximum around here... :tongueout:

  :bouncegiggle:  :thumbup: 
If I was to sign zee papier... it would read "Catholic" a term I embrace not just because of its lower-case meaning, my schooling and culture, but they're also my tribe.  (Religion can be very handy... like at funerals, it gives you something to talk about.)  

 :teddyr:

AnubisVonMojo you get my karma, Menard get no karma.  He get nun. 
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff259/allhallowsday/NUNcrop.jpg)

Actually, I was refering to why don't Menard sign back in to BAD MOVIES. I mean-your back,man! I for one,am happy to see you back...you've been a member much longer than I. Cripes...Iv'e even kinda learned how to type and communicate!  But you haven't 'signed zee papers" as far as ahhhh...I gotta get some sleep....nite all!!!  :smile:

No thanks; I've already kicked the habit. :bouncegiggle:

:bouncegiggle:  :bouncegiggle:  :bouncegiggle:
Still no karma.  You get nun.  Yer pick:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c5/Sisters_%28Daughters_of_Mary%29_Roman_Catholic_Singing.jpg)

It's truly scary that you have an inexhaustible resource of nun pictures. :buggedout:

You get NUN !!!    
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b3/Copy_of_warrior_nun_cover.jpg)

Wow, I haven't seen a Warrior Nun Areala piece since the '90s. Thanks for the four color nostalgia Hal!  :thumbup:

I like Bill O'Reilly, and a lot of people seem to hate me for that.  I don't AGREE with everything the guy says, but I always like hearing his perspective on things.

But you just MENTION his name to some people and it's like you just told them you like raping puppies or something.

I also used to like watching Fox News, but I don't have cable, so I don't watch it anymore.  I try to get news from a variety of sources and different perspective, figure somewhere along the way I MIGHT find a grain of truth from somewhere or another...

zap-  rc is correct.  I was kidding.

also fyi thee "fie" probably misspelled, comes from this tap of Judy Garland that the Stern show once played.  Some poor sap had to write her biography and she provided him with tapes of her memoirs.  She appeared to be  high on pills, as usual, and progressively drunker as the tape goes on.  She's entirely bitter and though she accomplished much in her long career, appeared to have no have no good memories from it or of anything.


     Also,  besides the plainly obvious, I am bearish on the american dollar and the stock market, which some people mistakenly interpret as anti american.  this can be explained thusly:

1. the federal reserve continually inflates the dollar.  that means they print more money making the other dollars worth less and less.  it's essentially a way to tax people without them knwoing it.  even in the bank, your money isn't safe.

2.   from today to 10 years ago the dow jones hasn't gone up.  at all.  it was at 12 someting then and it still is.  so unless you bought low and sold high 24 hours a day or had a fancy broker, you couldn't make money. 

so, invsting internationally or in oher currencies isn't anti american.  it's a protest against certain policies of the central banks.  it's like, call me when you get a government that respects it's constitution and believes in giving it's people sound money.

After thinking about my reply this morning, I would like to apologize for my kneejerk response.

Though, in general, what I wrote stands, I should not generalize about you individually, as I do not know you beyond this board. I got after someone about commenting on someone's writing out of context, and here I am guilty of the same thing.


If I have offended anybody else...

Hmmmmm..............

Apology accepted Menard, and I do suppose that my complaints were a bit general and that perhaps I should read more into civil rights before I just start posting my uneducated views on it.

Damn thread turned into a lovefest before I even got the chance post my hateful views.  Never mind, the mood is ruined now.

I've known some to be somehow offended when I turn down an offer of alcohol even after pointing out I don't drink. As a straight-edge person too, I sometimes see differences in terms of how serious one straight-edger thinks it should be compared to another...some tie in Veganism and/or Vegetarianism in with it and don't believe you should have drink any caffeine at all or even take any medication, some add Church values into the mix as well and others don't believe in sex before marriage. There is a wide variance between people. Me, I simply don't believe in drinking alochol, taking illegal drugs or smoking cigarettes nor do I believe in promiscious sex. I have no problem however with eating meat, taking prescribed by doctor medication or people not going to Church . I'm not going to preach to others how to live their lives and would hope for the same in return.

Me, I believe in all of those things.

I smoke, but, unfortunately, I don't drink, I don't take recreational drugs, and girls run too fast.

Damn :bluesad:

You know, it's really something how people act when you turn down alcoholic beverages.

I used to hang out with a bunch of pretty hard core pot-heads though I did not smoke myself.  The one and only time anyone gave me a hard time about not takin' a hit (not one of our regular circle of friends, a friend of a friend of a friend type deal), the group came to my defense and told the guy he could leave if he was gonna act like that.

In contrast, I have experienced all manners of rudeness for declining drinks at social functions.  As but one story, I was designated driver for a friend at a Halloween party one year - so she could 'cut loose' and what not.  This was NOT a party with all 'kids,' the crowd was mostly 30-40 years olds.

Just about everyone there tried to make me feel like crap because I was not drinking, which blew my mind at the time because designated driver was a well entrenched social role.  I was called names and was heavily pressured, and truthfully, I really was not prepared to be treated like that.

Fast forward a few years, and the situation was not much different.  The faces in the later crowds were doctors, lawyers and other professionals.  Alcohol really does often bring out the worst in people.  Again for contrast, I never saw that in my friends who were getting high.

Needless to say, when you are NOT drinking, being around a bunch of drunks is NOT fun.  At all. 

I am actually surprised by that.

I guess, like you said, it must be by circles.

Being that, unfortunately, I hang out around rednecks; not my choice, but they inhabit the places some of us go to play pool. Most everybody drinks, but, being that I no longer drink, I am the designated driver and everybody accepts that and some places even provide free soft drinks for me for being the designated driver.

Though, this is a night out in a bar, rather than someone's party, so that could make a difference; it still seems like a contrast in what one would think the behavior would be by the social circles.

I have the opposite experience.  When I take a little drink for social purposes, people always seem to shoot me nasty looks and make snide comments.  But how do those wrinkled old crones at the senior center expect me to get through my community service without a nip from my trusty hip flask? 

That's why if I like an artist/musician/actor I don't follow their private lives.  I don't care what they do in private, if I like what they do for a job, then that's it. I don't know them personally, so I can't have an opinion of why they behave the way that they do.

1.  I believe in God, but not religion.  Most people, Christians and atheists alike, don't understand it.  They think you can't have one without the other.  I disagree.  So I keep my beliefs to myself.

2.  I hate druggies and smokers and alcoholics.  I am VERY anti-illegal drugs and VERY anti-smoking.  I think people who even smoke dope are complete losers who should be thrown into the sun.  As far as I'm concerned there is no justifiable reason for being that self destructive.

But there are people I like who do stuff like that and I'm okay with it.  But I would never get involved with a man who did stuff like that.  How can this be you ask?  It's easy to be friends/acquaintances with someone and enjoy their company and accept them as they are because their lives don't actually impact on mine in any huge way.  But when I'm considering a life partner, my standards are a little higher.  His life would directly impact on mine and my son's.

3.  I don't buy into pop culture or rabid consumerism as a general rule.  And I get looked at like I have two heads.  For example:

I don't think it's good financial sense to rack up $5K on a credit card just to buy the latest designer hand bag. 
I don't think Brad Pitt or George Clooney or McDreamy or any of the other wankers out there these days is good looking and should be swooned over. 
I don't agree with People magazine's annual 50 Beautiful People list.  WTF? By whose standards?
I don't think Paris Hilton is a good role model for young girls. 
I don't think having 5 maxed out credit cards buying s**t I don't need is prudent financial planning. 
I don't think getting my head photographed for the newspapers at some swanky bash makes me better and more worthy than a person who doesn't. 
I don't think reality tv is an accurate window on the soul of humanity nor is it entertaining and it shouldn't be discussed endlessly at work. 
I don't swoon over some co-worker's new baby because I'm female and it's expected of me.


I'd better stop ranting now or I'll be here all day.

Actually addressing the topic, the on big thing I believe in that gets me the most disdain from those around me would have to be my feeling that any situation can be seen from more than one angle, and thus nothing can ever be considered to be concrete "good" or "evil". I'll intentionally play devil's advocate on pretty much anything. It p**ses off anybody who's absolutely firm in their own morality and don't know much outside of the things that have been shoveled into their heads from day one. A lot of people encourage being open-minded and trying to understand others, until you challenge something they've considered to be the absolute truth all their lives. :wink:

Oh, and I've always said that if I was given the chance to legally sit down and have a meal of human flesh (cooked of course, I'm not the Wendigo or anything), I would absolutely take that opportunity. That one gets me nasty looks from even some of the most open-minded friends I've had.  :tongueout:

I'm a Christian and I think I know what you mean but just to clarify are you saying that you believe there is some benevolentforce that created the universe and is monitoring our lives, but he either hasn't said anything to anybody clearly enough for them to create an organized faith.  However you still believe in this personal god?  Is that about right?

P.S.  If I sound rude I'm sorry but this is an actual question, I just want to emphasize that part because I feel that my question can be taken waaaay out of context as a rude and condescending remark.

No worries Patient7, I'm always happy to explain myself.  :tongueout:

Just to give some background info.  I've never had strong opinions about God/religion one way or another.  But I've never been really comfortable being an atheist either.  I always believed there had to be something more.

About a year ago, my sister gave me a Sylvia Browne book called Life On The Other Side and suddenly EVERYTHING about life made sense.  It just seemed so logical to me and I found a personal peace and calm that no amount of New Age or standard religious reading had ever brought me.  A few months later my 93 year old grandfather died.  We'd never had a death in the family before and even though we knew he was on his last legs, it still came as a shock.

But her book got me through the grief process pretty quickly and I wasn't as devastated as I otherwise would have been.

What I actually mean is that I don't believe in religion ie, you HAVE to behave this way or God will strike you down and you'll end up in Hell etc etc.  I've never liked it when people use guilt and/or fear to make you behave.

But I do believe there is a God.  Not some guy in a cloud wearing a dress, but an all encompassing energy that powers the Universe and creates everything, from planets and sub atomic particles to plants, animals and people.  On all planets and worlds no matter where they are in the universe.

I believe that as mere mortals and backwards unenlightened beings we can't begin to comprehend how this entity/energy works.  After all, have you ever tried to explain yourself to a cockroach?  No, because his limited physiology doesn't allow him understand your complexity as a human being.

I think people and God are like that.  That's pretty much the answer in a nutshell.  To really understand what I mean, I recommend you read her books.  You may agree, you may disagree, but to me, it's what helps me deal with life and everything that gets thrown at me every day.  I don't agree with 100% of everything she says, but the general arc of what she's saying resonates with me.

I hope that kind of explains what I mean.

KILLER BEES-That's amazing. Basically,my feelings about Gaud and organized religion follow along the same line of thought. The human race has NO CLUE to the wonders of the univerese. 'GOD' ,as most religions try to explain it,is a very simplistic way for us to cope with things we haven't the capabilities to even begin to understand. I beleve ANYTHING is possible....simply because it would be the height of arrogance for me to think I knew it all... only I , a lump of flesh and bones knew the 'REAL" truth of the universe. 

KillerBees & RC, as a devout Christian, I can understand your feelings (and no, this isn't an attempt to convert you). I feel the same way to a large degree. Yes, organized religion has screwed up a lot of things, and yes, it has given people who shouldn't be allowed near others an "obligation" to harass people into subjugation. There are plenty of people (I can only speak for Christians), however, in churches that understand how little we actually know about God. The problem is that it's usually the pushy, noisy ones (of all religions) that give the others a bad name. I have found that for most Christians, God has been relegated to an overly simplistic bunch of sound bites, and his complex nature is ignored. In other words, we tend to try to make God more like us than to make ourselves like him. No, we can't understand an infinite being (I use the masculine pronoun only because that is the traditional way to talk about God, who is genderless, and because Jesus was a male), but he has apparently tried to understand things from our perspective (in the person of Jesus) and to make himself understood to us, at least in a limited capacity. The problem is that people are people, and becoming a Christian doesn't transform them out of their humanity. Most are decent enough human beings, but any time people become an organization, whether religious or secular, logic and compassion go out the window and the committee mind takes over (something akin to mob mentality, but slower because it carries the weight of tradition).

Again, I'm not trying to turn this into a prayer meeting to convert you. I just wanted to say that not everyone/everything involved in organized religion is stupid/pointless/annoying.

On topic, I'm sure many involved in organized religion would find my views offensive  :teddyr:.

Thanks, Derf; very well stated summary of my Christian perspective as well.  In our church, we use the phrase "Great Mystery" quite a bit to help remind us that we really DON'T understand all of this - or much of any of it, really.

To a large extent, our larger church body celebrates crises of faith, which was quite new to me the first time I experienced it.  When I admitted "doubts," I fully expected to be blasted out of there, but instead it was more of a "welcome to the confused fold."

This is by no means "all;" we suffer all the things that people rail against with "organized" religion.

Well Derf, I agree.  Nobody really knows that much about God, we just have to work with what he gave us.  Some people try to claim their enlightened and tell us what it means when The Bible said something, but they don't.  The closest anyone can really get to that is when a priest relates a modern experience to demonstrate how the word of God is still relateable today.  In the end, we all have to interpret what is given to us in our own way, even if it's not associated with an organized religion.  I personally feel that in many cases it's more that you live a relatively decent life and don't assume that even the possibility of a higher being is impossible and that when you die you fall into nothingness.  And Bees, you elaborated perfectly on your beliefs and I understand completely how you feel.  I'm sorry if I offended anybody who is atheist, that whole oblivion thing was more to exxentuate my opinion.

It's human nature to want try and arrange things in forms we understand - hence God being a man and looking a certain way.  The grandfatherly, wise, bearded, supportive, calm, loving persona.  You expect your grandad to be all those things because generally he's the oldest member of any family and has had time to find out about the world.

It's also human nature to shun things that don't measure up to your personal view of the world and how others should behave.  The ultimate joke of Mother Nature is this:  we need diversity in humans to keep the population going, but people are only comfortable with things that are the same as them.  That's why racism is patently ridiculous.  Without diversity in humans, nobody would be here.

I respect other people's beliefs, even if they don't coincide with my own.  I figure that everyone has their own path to tread and we can't learn our lessons if we tread the same path.  But it doesn't worry me if religious people try to convert me.  It doesn't work anyway.  The only time I get p**sed about it is if I'm being unnecessarily bothered.  If I say no and they go away - fine.  But no still means no, so if you keep at me, you'll get some bad language and rudeness.  That's why I never push my beliefs onto others.  Because my beliefs say that you have your own way to go.  So the kindest thing I can do for you, is to let you go on your way.  If that way happens to merge with mine, then that's good too.

I believe there are decent souls and bastards anywhere you go.  Which religion you are doesn't preclude you from being either of those things.  Underneath we are all human and that means we are fallible.  We are all lost in our own way and we are all looking for love, respect, comfort, safety and a sense of belonging.  How you go about finding those things is an individual journey.

By and large, I think people try to do the right thing.  I think religion has its place in the world.  But when you start "speaking" for God, ie, God made me rape and kill that person, that's when you've stepped over the line.  God didn't make you do anything.  You decided it was a good idea to do what you did because you thought you would learn more from the experience than not doing it.  You made a choice.  You can't then turn around and blame someone or something else for your actions. 

Here endeth the sermon   :teddyr:

So you're sure I can't badger you into believing like I do?

                 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOxR7rTYuSI

Yeah, it's an old one, but I still like it.