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Title: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: KYGOTC on May 01, 2008, 10:23:37 PM
If you are a cop, well, sorry. But I think this is rediculous.


Cops make me sick. Not angry. No, the word "angry" doesn't really hold enough power to sum up my feelings for pigs. How about "disgusted" or "makes me ashamed to be a human being." yea. That'll work for now.


What is with these "protecters of the people"? It's like they have nothing better to do but go harrass kids on skateboards or give minorities trouble. It's not like there's drug dealers or house burgalers they could be stoping. Hevens no! They should be out there cuffing kids for being at a park after hours or maybe picking on black people because they look "gangsta" or whatever the hell they call it. Cops aren't here to protect and serve. Cops are here to make sure the people don't get any ideas and make the state money by giving out undeserved tickets.

......that's all I have to say. 


Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: indianasmith on May 01, 2008, 10:40:27 PM
Sorry, man, but I had to ding you for that one.  :thumbdown:

Cops are people.  There are good ones and bad ones, mean ones and kind ones. But all of them put on that badge everyday to uphold the sacred idea that our whole system of government is based on the rule of law.  And each one of them knows, when he puts on the badge and gun, that he may not live to take them off again.

One of my high school classmates, 44 years old with three kids, is learning to walk and talk again right now because some punk 19 year old crack whore shot him through the neck while he was executing a routine warrant.  He is a man of high character and noble spirit, and I don't like hearing anyone trash his professon.
 I've known many others like him, but I've only known one bad cop in my life.  Yeah, he pretty much ruined a whole small town, but it was other cops that eventually busted him and sent him to state prison for corruption.


Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: KYGOTC on May 01, 2008, 10:47:03 PM
Alright, i can respect that. Maybe there are decent cops out there. But I sure as hell have never met one. It's always been "Are you high, boy?" And sometimes "Are you RETARDED boy?". Iv'e never done anything to give these pricks any reason to give me trouble, but they do.

And I'm sorry to hear about your friend. I hope he recovers. But I have to ask, (and in all due respect) why did he become a cop in the first place? Because so far from my experience, any cop I've met hasn't done it because "they belived in the greater good."


Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: CheezeFlixz on May 01, 2008, 11:00:46 PM
Ahh! I see your 19 ... yes all authority figures are evil good for nothing SOB's when you're 19. So having been 19 about 25 years ago I'll give you a pass on your anger. I think most folks from age 18 to around 25 have a elevated angst and hostility about them, nothing wrong that just part of the maturing and mellowing process. Been there, done that so to say.

Think of it like this, when someone breaks into your house and steals your stuff, or rear ends you, or God forbid harms your family, who are you going to call. You see 24 hours a day, 7 days a week the police ... oops I mean the pigs are out there not only protecting you but enforcing the law. Some laws are stupid, even cops will tell your that but perhaps there is a law  on the books that says no skateboarding in some areas, like sidewalks where elderly people leaving stores might get hit, or  mom's with children.

The thing is there might be a reason other than their just wanting to harass people. 


Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: KYGOTC on May 01, 2008, 11:15:17 PM
there is a law  on the books that says no skateboarding in some areas, like sidewalks where elderly people leaving stores might get hit, or  mom's with children.

 

Yea, that's reasonable. I agree. But what about abandoned parking lots that nobody is around? (well, nobody but the asses who called the fuzz on us.)
Becasue thats where I got hit today. And it wasn't a "ok, guys time to move it along". it was a "I never wanna see you f**king kids aroung here again. never come back." followed by checking of IDs and backround check.


Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: RCMerchant on May 01, 2008, 11:18:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SCiSU2P29E

YIKES!!!!!


Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: Patient7 on May 01, 2008, 11:26:10 PM
My cousin's a cop and he seems to be a pretty good one.  I wont dock you though because you obviously ran into a bad one and that one run in can completely change a person's perspective.  Anyhoo, I hope that this wont cause you to become too prejudice to deny the fact that these people are out there to protect people, most of the time.


Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: ulthar on May 01, 2008, 11:32:51 PM

Yea, that's reasonable. I agree. But what about abandoned parking lots that nobody is around? (well, nobody but the asses who called the fuzz on us.)
Becasue thats where I got hit today. And it wasn't a "ok, guys time to move it along". it was a "I never wanna see you f**king kids aroung here again. never come back." followed by checking of IDs and backround check.

First of all, you really are WAY overgeneralizing.  Some cops are stupid jerks.  But not all.  And not most.  Some.

I've been a cop, and I grew up around cops.

One thing you might think about with the abandoned parking lot is that it MIGHT be private property and the owner has asked for that law to be enforced there.  Or, it might be City property and the City leaders have asked for that law to be enforced there.

And you said yourself, somebody called "the fuzz" on you, so why not be mad at them...what's the cop to do? Ignore the complaint?

From your description, "get out of here" with an id and bg check, it seems like you got off EASY.  If you were trespassing, you could have been arrested - as in taken to JAIL.  Checking ID's and backgrounds is ONE WAY cops find people with warrants, so while you are complaining about having to do it, keep in mind that that is ONE WAY they actually find burglars, rapists and even murderers.  You don't know who someone is until you ask.

You could have politely refused to produce your ID.

Skaters do get a bad rap, and I've never understood it.  But hey, the cop MAY have just been doing his J-O-B, and inside, he may not have liked hassling you over skating any better than you like being hassled.

Sometimes, it's a no-win situation, and getting/being p**sed only makes things worse.

Some positive things you could do/say:

"Okay, officer, is there a place where we ARE allowed to skate?"

"Can you tell me why I am not allowed to skate here?  Which law/ordinance is it that forbids it?" (watch your tone with this one so it does not come out smart-assey).

Attend a City/Town meeting and ask the town leadership to provide areas for skaters.  At least write a letter asking about it.

Buy a piece of property and construct a 'skate park' for yourself and/or your friends.

Good luck.


Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: CheezeFlixz on May 01, 2008, 11:38:48 PM
Yea, that's reasonable. I agree. But what about abandoned parking lots that nobody is around? (well, nobody but the asses who called the fuzz on us.)
Becasue thats where I got hit today. And it wasn't a "ok, guys time to move it along". it was a "I never wanna see you f**king kids aroung here again. never come back." followed by checking of IDs and backround check.

I agree that the cops choice of words were poor, but not all cops act that way. Even an abandoned parking lot is owned by someone. So I'd guess there are no loitering laws on the books. When I was younger than you we hung out at the riverfront RIGHT NEXT to the police station and they still ran us off, it made no sense since all they had to do was look out the window to see what we were doing.
EDIT: It became painfully clear why they didn't want cars on the riverfront a few years later when one rolled down the hill attended and killed 2 and injured others.
If laws made sense we wouldn't need lawyers.
   


Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: RCMerchant on May 01, 2008, 11:47:41 PM
Lawyers????!!!!! Most ( I said MOST,Cheezy) lawyers would do anything for ...yup...$$$$$$. They could give a F$CK about justice...It's alla  money game


Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: KYGOTC on May 01, 2008, 11:57:09 PM
My cousin's a cop and he seems to be a pretty good one.  I wont dock you though because you obviously ran into a bad one and that one run in can completely change a person's perspective.  Anyhoo, I hope that this wont cause you to become too prejudice to deny the fact that these people are out there to protect people, most of the time.

But the problem is this isnt the first thing this type of thing has happened. Like I said, i've ben called "pothead" (i don't smoke anything) and I've been called retarded for doing nothing more than being at a park maybe 5 or 6 minuetes after it closed or walking around in a creek. I'm always running into these bozos, And not one of them has been a decent cop. they remind me of guys who would throw me up against lockers in high school.


Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: CheezeFlixz on May 02, 2008, 12:05:03 AM
Lawyers????!!!!! Most ( I said MOST,Cheezy) lawyers would do anything for ...yup...$$$$$$. They could give a F$CK about justice...It's alla  money game

99% of Lawyers give the other 1% a bad name.


Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: KYGOTC on May 02, 2008, 12:10:32 AM
First of all, you really are WAY overgeneralizing.  Some cops are stupid jerks.  But not all.  And not most.  Some.


No, I think most is a good word for it.

I've been a cop, and I grew up around cops.
Respectfully, why did you decide to join the police?


And you said yourself, somebody called "the fuzz" on you, so why not be mad at them...what's the cop to do? Ignore the complaint?
Im sure there are more imporatant things to take care of than bust a few kids riding around on abbandoned pavement. And i think i do have a right to be mad at the person who made the call. We were obviously not doing anything to hurt anyone or anything. It's like calling the cops on a kid for playing with a jump rope.

From your description, "get out of here" with an id and bg check, it seems like you got off EASY.  If you were trespassing, you could have been arrested - as in taken to JAIL.  Checking ID's and backgrounds is ONE WAY cops find people with warrants, so while you are complaining about having to do it, keep in mind that that is ONE WAY they actually find burglars, rapists and even murderers.  You don't know who someone is until you ask.


I agree that it could have been worse, but I certianly don't consider being hastled be some dickhead to be "getting off easy".

You could have politely refused to produce your ID.


You can do that? Thank's for telling me this! Will i get in trouble at all for that?

Some positive things you could do/say:

Okay, officer, is there a place where we ARE allowed to skate?"
 Alright, thats good.


Attend a City/Town meeting and ask the town leadership to provide areas for skaters.  At least write a letter asking about it.
also good.

Buy a piece of property and construct a 'skate park' for yourself and/or your friends.

Me and my friends were actually talking about this after the incodent.

Good luck.

Thanks. I'll need it.


Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: Ash on May 02, 2008, 12:17:57 AM
I agree with ulthar about skaters getting a bad rap.

I live in downtown Cedar Rapids, Iowa and during the warmer months, there's not a whole lot to do here for the younger kids.
So they like to skate downtown here in the parkades and on pretty much anything made of cement.
I live in a highrise building and a 9 story circular (downward spiral) parkade is attached to my building.
Skaters love to skate around here and especially in the parkade.
The bad thing is that the managers of my building and the owners of the parkade hate the skaters.
They call the cops on them anytime they even get a glimpse of one and I never understood why.

They're just kids having fun.

Once, around 2 or 3 in the morning, I came home to find some skaters hanging out near my parking space on level 9 and I talked to them for a few minutes.
They seemed really cool and were only there at that time of night because it affords them a great view of the city and they knew the cops would get called on them if they skated there during daylight hours.
I told them that I didn't mind them skating in the parkade as long as they didn't mess with anyone's cars or "tagged" the walls with grafitti. (which has happened before) and they were totally cool with that.
They weren't hoodlums looking for trouble.  They just wanted a cool place to skate and I told them that I respected that and told them that I wouldn't tell anyone that they were skating in the parkade so late at night.
They respected me for being so understanding.
I told them that if they see anyone messing with my car to f**k them up for me and they said they would.   :wink:

As for bad cops...
Yes, there are good ones and bad ones.
Fortunately, most of the cops in my city are pretty good.  They're family men just like most of us here.
If they've got a bad attitude, then they seriously need a vacation.
I've found that when it comes to dealing with the cops, it's all in how you talk to them.


Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: ulthar on May 02, 2008, 03:59:47 AM

No, I think most is a good word for it.



So, you've met >50% of all cops worldwide or have access to some scientifically conducted research to support this?

Look, I'm truly sorry that your experience with cops has been so negative.  But like others earlier in this thread have pointed out, they are laying it on the line every day and they really don't LIKE to answer stupid calls like "hey, there's skaters across the street!"

The truth of the matter is that MOST cops are decent, hardworking people just trying to get by (ie, survive, pay the bills, etc) in an extremely stressful job.  It does not help to call "all" or even "most" of them dirt bags or use terms like "pigs" to describe people that would literally die, give their own life, to help you if you were in trouble.


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 Im sure there are more imporatant things to take care of than bust a few kids riding around on abbandoned pavement.



It doesn't matter how petty the call is.  Somebody calls the cops, they HAVE to show up. 

What you have to understand is that from the response end, ALL calls are important.  The cops don't get to make judgements like "oh, that's just some skaters, I'll blow this one off."  Do you realize that the highest percentage of cops that are killed are killed making "routine" traffic stops?

And you did say that someone called the cops.

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 And i think i do have a right to be mad at the person who made the call. We were obviously not doing anything to hurt anyone or anything. It's like calling the cops on a kid for playing with a jump rope.




You can be mad all you want.  The question you have not answered yet is this: were you in fact breaking the law?

It does not matter if you agree with the person who called the cops on you if you were 'technically' in the wrong.  It also does not matter if you agree with the law or or not.

If that was private property, you were trespassing.  It does not matter if anyone was using it or not.  If you are not at home, does anyone have the 'right' to use your house?  Of course not.  We do have property rights and laws to protect those rights.

If it was public property and there is some kind of "no skating" (or even a "no loitering") law or ordinance on the books, you were likewise in violation of the law.

But you tell us...was it private property?  If not, what specific law were you supposedly violating?  If you weren't violating ANY law or ordinance, that changes the flavor of this whole discussion.

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I agree that it could have been worse, but I certianly don't consider being hastled be some dickhead to be "getting off easy".



Everything is relative.  Get hooked up and taken to jail for real and you'll probably think "hey, getting told to scram ain't so bad."   :wink:

I understand your frustration, but I think the language you have used in this thread is WAY out of proportion to being told to leave somewhere you wanted to be.  Even if the cop said it without much, uh, shall we say, social grace, no real, lasting harm was done.  You don't have a criminal record because of this, and no one got hurt.

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You can do that? Thank's for telling me this! Will i get in trouble at all for that?



(I am not a lawyer, so this is NOT legal advice...just making conversation here).  Of course you can do that.  Why would you think otherwise?  Careful, though, I did NOT say to refuse to tell him who you are or to lie about who you are. 

Depending on what state you live in, you MAY have what's called a Stop and Identify (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_Identify_statutes) law.  This stuff gets pretty tricky, and you have to be careful.  Terry v Ohio is an EXTREMELY important case for cops, and it involves a lot of wording like "totality of circumstances" and "reasonable suspicion."  But mostly these laws seems TO ME (not a lawyer) to apply to TELLING the cop who you are.  I don't think there is any present law requiring you to carry any form of ID.  Yet.

(Again, be careful...if you HAVE it and you say you don't...a lie can figure into all that "reasonable suspicion" stuff...it only hurts you to lie in this kind of circumstance).

However, if the cop saw you breaking a law (trespassing, loitering on public property, etc), I'm not sure if Terry even applies.  At that point, he's gone past "reasonable articulable suspicion" and is well into "probable cause" territory.  Seeing you violate the law is pretty good probable cause.  And that's all he needs for an arrest.

The other way to look at this MIGHT be to say, "hey, that cop was pretty cool....he COULD have arrested me/us but instead he just told us to beat it."  He may not have seemed very nice about it (which in fact MAY have been an act...maybe not, but maybe), but he could have been doing you a HUGE favor.

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Thanks. I'll need it.



You'll be fine.


Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: asimpson2006 on May 02, 2008, 06:19:33 AM
I agree with ulthar about skaters getting a bad rap.

I live in downtown Cedar Rapids, Iowa and during the warmer months, there's not a whole lot to do here for the younger kids.
So they like to skate downtown here in the parkades and on pretty much anything made of cement.
I live in a highrise building and a 9 story circular (downward spiral) parkade is attached to my building.
Skaters love to skate around here and especially in the parkade.
The bad thing is that the managers of my building and the owners of the parkade hate the skaters.
They call the cops on them anytime they even get a glimpse of one and I never understood why.

They're just kids having fun.

Once, around 2 or 3 in the morning, I came home to find some skaters hanging out near my parking space on level 9 and I talked to them for a few minutes.
They seemed really cool and were only there at that time of night because it affords them a great view of the city and they knew the cops would get called on them if they skated there during daylight hours.
I told them that I didn't mind them skating in the parkade as long as they didn't mess with anyone's cars or "tagged" the walls with grafitti. (which has happened before) and they were totally cool with that.
They weren't hoodlums looking for trouble.  They just wanted a cool place to skate and I told them that I respected that and told them that I wouldn't tell anyone that they were skating in the parkade so late at night.
They respected me for being so understanding.
I told them that if they see anyone messing with my car to f**k them up for me and they said they would.   :wink:

As for bad cops...
Yes, there are good ones and bad ones.
Fortunately, most of the cops in my city are pretty good.  They're family men just like most of us here.
If they've got a bad attitude, then they seriously need a vacation.
I've found that when it comes to dealing with the cops, it's all in how you talk to them.

I don't have a problem with skaters either, unless it's with something I own, then I may have a problem.  There are always going to be cops who are good and ones who are not so good.  It's just like any other profession (Business, Retail, IT, etc..)



Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: Jack on May 02, 2008, 07:59:22 AM
they remind me of guys who would throw me up against lockers in high school.

Yeah, that's pretty much my opinion of cops too.  They seem like jock douchebags, all grown up. 

My experience with cops:  DWI.  Read the police report afterwards, everything was exaggerated to the point of absurdity.  For instance, they arrested me when I was parked.  The back end of the car was maybe 2-3 feet from the curb, the front end was against the curb.  Police report stated I was parked "nearly perpendicular to the curb".  Can't remember what else was in there, but the whole thing was like that.

Me and my buddy, sitting in a park having a few beers.  I guess you weren't supposed to drink there, though it was one of the more popular activities in town.  So these two cops start treating us like escaped prison convicts.  "YOU!  I TOLD YOU TO STAND THERE!!!"  "YOU!  I TOLD YOU TO SIT DOWN OVER THERE!!!"  Good grief, me and my buddy were a couple of the mellowest two guys you'd ever wanna meet. 

Sitting at the park once again, this time a Saturday afternoon.  We're smoking pot and laughing at the silly cops.  The entire parking lot was full of them, about 8 cars worth.  They were hanging out there for hours.  The two lane street was packed with cars, bumper to bumper.  Some guy spins his tires just a little bit.  One of the cops gets in his car and proceeds to drive down the street, forcing about 100 cars off the road, so he can arrest this guy for the grand crime of chirping his tires.  I mean, the cop nearly caused a whole lot of accidents to do this.  Another one goes haulin' ass down the bike path in his cop SUV, joggers go running for their lives in all directions.

Old girlfriend in high school.  Her dad's an ex-cop.  Beats the hell out of her whenever he pleases.

Place I used to work, guy is introduced as an ex-cop.  Yup, he's got the personality.   Came off as a real a-hole at first, but once I got to know him he wasn't really bad at all.

I'm sure they're not all a-holes, but maybe 50-50. 

One good experience with cops:  Three of us were parked in this empty area, sort of in the woods a bit.  Cops pull up, inform us it's private property.  We had no idea, and they were very cool about it, saying that it wasn't marked, so they don't blame us for not knowing.  We had empty beer cans tossed all over the place, they actually picked them up for us.  We weren't driving, and hadn't been seen driving, so they couldn't get us for anything.  They gave us Breathalyzer tests to see if we were legal to drive, we weren't.  We said we'd walk home and they drove away.  We waited five minutes and drove home.  Now those guys were pretty cool.  Maybe because we had a pretty girl along? 

Now I'm 43 and haven't had any experience with cops in at least 15 or 20 years, so my opinion of them has mellowed. 

On a side note, I've noticed that pretty women seem to get along pretty well with the legal system.  I used to have a girlfriend who got arrested for something, and she was supposed to do community service.  Well, she did about 1/5th of it, then she had to go back to court.  She was all worried that she'd get thrown in jail, but the judge just said, oh, that's okay.  You can skip the rest of it.   :teddyr:


Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: KYGOTC on May 02, 2008, 09:50:20 AM
  Now those guys were pretty cool.  Maybe because we had a pretty girl along? 


I be willing to bet my comic collection on them going soft on you fellas because an atractive woman was nearby. Pricks. Man, if I had a pair of tatas, i wouldn't have any propblems.


Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: KYGOTC on May 02, 2008, 10:07:45 AM
Thatnks for the advice, Ulthar.


Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: KYGOTC on May 02, 2008, 10:37:14 AM
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=9GgWrV8TcUc


Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: AndyC on May 02, 2008, 10:49:01 AM
Not much I can add that hasn't already been said except that there are reasons why property owners wouldn't want skateboarders hanging around. At the top of the list would be the jump in premiums if their insurance company became aware that unsupervised youngsters were using the property for some activity that could result in personal injury. Not saying it's reasonable, but that's what insurance companies do.

And insurance companies do that because of the second reason - legal liability. Somebody screws around on private property, gets hurt and sues the owner. Or their parents sue the owner. You might not be a litigious person, but enough people are. And even if it isn't an injury related to skateboarding, that activity could be used to prove negligence on the owner's part.

Asking the police to keep skateboarders off the property, is something owners do to protect themselves. It's called due diligence.

As for kicking you out of a park after it closes, due diligence comes into play as well. Parks close for a reason. Bad things can happen there at night. Rather than go around all night determining if everyone's intentions are pure, the easiest way to prevent trouble is to close the park and kick out anyone found there at night. By asking you to leave, they are making their work easier, and protecting you. And it's not just about your personal safety. If they let you stay in the park and someone else is assaulted or mugged there later on, or somebody breaks into a house backing onto the park, you're a suspect. That's a major problem for you, and a major waste of resources for the police, who then have to sort out whether they believe you were actually involved.

I can't excuse the cop's manners, but it could be precisely because they have better things to do than hassle teenagers that they are so grouchy about doing it. These guys see a lot of things that shake their faith in human beings, they deal with a lot of people, and they take a lot of crap. They have to take time out of their busy day to go over to an empty parking lot and ask some kids to leave (something they might personally not even want to do) and they get greeted with "We're not doing anything wrong. Stop picking on us." And the kids are right back at it after they leave. Put yourself in their shoes.


Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: Andrew on May 02, 2008, 11:01:36 AM
They gave us Breathalyzer tests to see if we were legal to drive, we weren't.  We said we'd walk home and they drove away.  We waited five minutes and drove home.  Now those guys were pretty cool. 

In this case, I will say that you were lucky they did not stay around to make sure you would keep your word, and also that you arrived safely at home.  I've been at the site of a few wrecks caused by someone drinking and driving.  Even once was covered with blood from a girl I pulled from a burning car, because she drove after drinking and dozed off.

Cops are people, you will get good ones, and you will get bad ones, and a whole lot down the middle.  When I deal with a uniformed officer, I am polite and give them the same treatment I would to anyone else who is doing their job.  I've run into ones who were definitely abusing their authority, and have dealt with it - sometimes in front of the judge, sometimes by going to the station and speaking with their watch chief.  

If I have broken a law (most likely speeding, but it's been years), and they issue a ticket, then they are doing their job.  Heck, if they just yell at you for what you did wrong, they are doing their job.  I think that we've gotten too much of "no yelling at people, no taking kids to their home to talk to their parents" these days.  I don't mean insulting, I mean balling somebody out for doing something they shouldn't have been doing.

Sometimes police use some individual decision making ability, sometimes the best thing is for them to let a court of law to do that.



Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 02, 2008, 11:36:06 AM
You could have politely refused to produce your ID.
Uh... that makes sense.   :lookingup: Okay, as you later pointed out, that's a whole 'nother story...

Skaters do get a bad rap, and I've never understood it.  But hey, the cop MAY have just been doing his J-O-B, and inside, he may not have liked hassling you over skating any better than you like being hassled.
Then why be obscene?  These kids apparently were generalized just like KYGOTC generalized about cops.  These young people are citizens too and warrant, in an empty parking lot, at least marginal courtesy.  I don't care for KYGOTC's commentary, but I can relate to it. 

Some positive things you could do/say:
"Okay, officer, is there a place where we ARE allowed to skate?"
"Can you tell me why I am not allowed to skate here?  Which law/ordinance is it that forbids it?" (watch your tone with this one so it does not come out smart-assey).
Yeh, right.   :lookingup:  If a cop is calling you a "f*ckin' kid?"  One thing I learned about any cop experience is that they have the power and you must acquiesce. 

So, you've met >50% of all cops worldwide or have access to some scientifically conducted research to support this?

Look, I'm truly sorry that your experience with cops has been so negative.  But like others earlier in this thread have pointed out, they are laying it on the line every day and they really don't LIKE to answer stupid calls like "hey, there's skaters across the street!"
How do you know?  Have you access to some "scientifically conducted research to support this?"  Maybe this particular cop gets off on the power trip. 

The truth of the matter is that MOST cops are decent, hardworking people just trying to get by (ie, survive, pay the bills, etc) in an extremely stressful job. 
There you go again, doing exactly what you criticize others for: generalizing.  I do agree it can be a stressful, and thankless job

Everything is relative.  Get hooked up and taken to jail for real and you'll probably think "hey, getting told to scram ain't so bad."   :wink:

I understand your frustration, but I think the language you have used in this thread is WAY out of proportion to being told to leave somewhere you wanted to be.  Even if the cop said it without much, uh, shall we say, social grace, no real, lasting harm was done.  You don't have a criminal record because of this, and no one got hurt.
Agreed; KYGOTC is obviously angry and apparently has been hassled by cops more than once.  I also wonder if the generation gap doesn't play a part here.  Nonetheless, generalizing cops as "pigs" is not cool.  It's unreasonable. 


Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: Mr. DS on May 02, 2008, 11:38:57 AM
Just like in all walks of life, you have cops who are "D-bags" and others who aren't and I've dealt with both types.  

I've been pulled over for minor idiotic offenses like going 5 over or California rolling a stop sign. I find these to happen in one horse towns more than anything. sadly, I seem to always live in one horse towns.  Granted I know they're doing their job but I can't count the amount of times a cop car goes flying by me doing excessive speeds.  I've called the cops on loud parties in the neighborhood and they never come.  Even after I stress the fact I have an infant son who is being awoken by the noise.  I've had an off duty cop harass my friend and I while we were fishing because he had a neighbor b*tch to him that we too close to his house.  Mind you we were in a boat about 20 yards off shore.  I filed a complaint on the cop by the way.  I've had friends and relatives who have become complete pricks after getting a badge.  So yeah, some cops are D-bags, sorry.

On the other hand, on the same pond where we were harassed, we had a cop take care of a drunken vargrant who was blocking the boat launch.  In the town I live now, they went the extra mile investigating vandalism to my house and car.  I've had cops pull me over who were nice enough to let me go.  I've been in several accidents and the cops truly made the situation much easier to handle. So yeah, some cops aren't D-bags, sorry.  

Once again, it all depends on who is working where and when.

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Not much I can add that hasn't already been said except that there are reasons why property owners wouldn't want skateboarders hanging around. At the top of the list would be the jump in premiums if their insurance company became aware that unsupervised youngsters were using the property for some activity that could result in personal injury. Not saying it's reasonable, but that's what insurance companies do.

And insurance companies do that because of the second reason - legal liability. Somebody screws around on private property, gets hurt and sues the owner. Or their parents sue the owner. You might not be a litigious person, but enough people are. And even if it isn't an injury related to skateboarding, that activity could be used to prove negligence on the owner's part.

Asking the police to keep skateboarders off the property, is something owners do to protect themselves. It's called due diligence.

Well put Andy C.  We have skaters who hang out at my work place jumping stairs and can't figure out whey they can't skate on our property. 


Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: KYGOTC on May 02, 2008, 02:42:42 PM

And insurance companies do that because of the second reason - legal liability. Somebody screws around on private property, gets hurt and sues the owner. Or their parents sue the owner. You might not be a litigious person, but enough people are. And even if it isn't an injury related to skateboarding, that activity could be used to prove negligence on the owner's part.


Yea, it sucks that there are people like THAT out there. If I were to hurt myself on someone elses property, i wouldn't sue the owners of the place. It's my own damn fault i got hurt, and thats that. It sucks that a small amount of jerks have to ruin it for the rest of us folks.


Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: KYGOTC on May 02, 2008, 02:50:47 PM
If I have broken a law (most likely speeding, but it's been years), and they issue a ticket, then they are doing their job.  Heck, if they just yell at you for what you did wrong, they are doing their job.  
Its awesome if there out there doing stuff like giving DESERVED tickets on the road. Heck, i don't wanna be driving around with a buch of dangerous numbskulls on the highway. Thats toatally cool if they do that and bust drugs and weapon dealers and all that good stuff. I'm just saying that they SHOULD go out and do those important things instead of repremand issues that don't hurt anyone.

And I'm not saying all cops are bad. When I wrote the topic of this thread last night, I was pretty steamed. I still am, but now I'm willing to listen to reason. Yes, there are good cops out there. I've met one or two and they do their jobs well. But most of the po-pos that I've met are just trouble.


Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: Scott on May 02, 2008, 08:00:59 PM
Some things just about the video from a human and professional standpoint. Though Baltimore Harbor is a busy place with large crowds of walking people, both where wrong here in my opinion.

1.) The officer completely over reacted to a skateboard situation.

2.) The teenager did answer back in a whiny voice.

3.) The teenager did respond calling him "dude".

4.) The teenager does know that skateboarding in public places may cause a problem.

When I was a teenager I spent many many hours on a skateboard and rode it often for years, so I'm not against skateboarding. In the 70's we didn't think about people getting hurt, but today it's well known that skateboarding isn't allowed in public and on private property.

My mom was once stuck in the ankles real bad by a stakeboarder. It amazes me how many of skateboarders pretend not to be doing anything wrong when skateboarding in public places. 

Sometimes skateboarders don't understand how someone including themselves could get hurt doing these stunts. Sure it's part of the game to hurt yourself, but it's not ok to hurt others, nor is getting hurt on someone else's property "ok" just because you want to have fun. The officer in the video had recourse to take this kids stakeboard away if he didn't stop. The kid never had the chance to get back on the board to find out.

When the kid showed some marginal disrespect the officer decided to take the board away from him. Perhaps his approach was wrong for this situation. A good officer could of had some patients and taken a little more time explaining things, giving the kid a chance to respond more favorably by reasoning with him. Remember, some kids when they get together in groups have trouble showing respect towards authority. They want to be rebellious and tough, but in a skateboard situation the officer didn't have to go nuts. If they got on their boards again after being told by the officer he could have simply called for some assistance and taken the kid(s) downtown and have his parents pick him up.

This is the second time this same officer was caught on tape over reacting. Where is his supervisor? Does his supervisor approve of this approach? Why is he still employed? Perhaps that is normal behavior of the Baltimore Police Dept. Sometimes bad officers learn these things from their peers. Not sure what the answer is.

Most law enforcement are educated on the use of verbal exchange and force. There are many situations where it is necessary and in fact it is their job to come on very strong in a very verbal way. If that means yelling them down (which can be very effective in some situations) then so be it.

The kid needs to learn a life lesson here, but I can't say a first offense (assuming) is the time to come down on him like this. Being a juvenile unattended in the big city this may of been the right approach. Who's to say what is the right course of action. It's a judgement call by the state, the community, and the police department on how this is best handled.

Sometimes just making things difficult through process is often enough to get people to straighten up, but I've never personally found yelling to help in this type of situation. Doesn't make sense to me. Maybe there is a psychology behind an aggressive approach with skateboarders, but I've never heard of it.

The kid should just accept it for now and not do it again. If this officer is abusive again to a lot of other people then it may be time to speak up. That is just how I would personally handle it.

Some communities approve of this approach and other communities may not approve of this approach.

In this situation both where at fault in my opinion. Everyone should learn to show respect towards one another.

Not knowing the law I'm just giving my opinion. Just thought I'd put my two cent in.  :lookingup:


Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: Scott on May 02, 2008, 08:44:29 PM

Maybe there is a psychology behind an aggressive approach with skateboarders, but I've never heard of it.

Well, law enforcement can and do work as a teams at times with one officer playing "bad cop" and the othe playing "good cop" to get a desired result or info from the different personality types they encounter in law enforcement.


Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 02, 2008, 10:46:07 PM

Maybe there is a psychology behind an aggressive approach with skateboarders, but I've never heard of it.


Well, law enforcement can and do work as a teams at times with one officer playing "bad cop" and the othe playing "good cop" to get a desired result or info from the different personality types they encounter in law enforcement.

WTF?  :bouncegiggle:  :bouncegiggle:  :bouncegiggle: excuse me ill be brand new brand new tomorrow a little bit tired but brand new... ooo... ooo...
Scott, you're quoting yourself...?  :bouncegiggle:  :bouncegiggle:  :bouncegiggle:  excuse me ill be brand new brand new tomorrow a little bit tired but brand new... ooo... ooo...

trushtwist your head around it's all around you...
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/44/Kojaktelly.jpg) 
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff259/allhallowsday/BJORKHomogenous.jpg)


Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: Mr_Vindictive on May 03, 2008, 04:29:58 AM
Kyle,

There is nothing worse in my opinion than an over generalization.  A run in with a few bad cops does not mean that every single one of them are jerks.

I don't know one person that didn't have some type of run in with the law during their teens.  I for some reason, always had run ins with with the same officer who was always a jerk.  Always accusing me of drinking and driving, careless and reckless, etc.  The guy knew my car and would pull me whenever he felt like, always over petty stuff.  Sure that guy was a jerk but it doesn't mean that all law enforcement are.

I spend over 40 hours a week working with the police now with my current job.  I can honestly say that 99% of the officers/deputies that I work with are extremely kind and respectful.  I've met quite a few of them in person and they are just normal people doing their job. 

As for having your ID ran, that's common practice for any officer.  There are a few reasons:

- Check and see if your license is valid.  It might have a "pick-up" listing at which point the officer would have to take your license.

- Check for warrants.  This is the big one.  I've found that a LOT of people have warrants.  It's amazing just how many people I've seen arrested for a failure to appear warrant and such.

- Provide a history in your area's CAD.  Every time that your ID is ran, it goes into a CAD (Computer Aided Dispatch) program.  It keeps track of when and where you were spoken to and what you were spoken to about.

Cops aren't so bad.  They're just doing their job.  Sure, like anything else, there are some that are burnt-out and are jerks, but that is to be expected.


Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: Patient7 on May 03, 2008, 03:59:21 PM
My cousin's a cop and he seems to be a pretty good one.  I wont dock you though because you obviously ran into a bad one and that one run in can completely change a person's perspective.  Anyhoo, I hope that this wont cause you to become too prejudice to deny the fact that these people are out there to protect people, most of the time.


But the problem is this isnt the first thing this type of thing has happened. Like I said, i've ben called "pothead" (i don't smoke anything) and I've been called retarded for doing nothing more than being at a park maybe 5 or 6 minuetes after it closed or walking around in a creek. I'm always running into these bozos, And not one of them has been a decent cop. they remind me of guys who would throw me up against lockers in high school.


Okay, now I see exactly what you mean and obviouls the many cops you've run into are abusing their power and assume that because they're a cop they have authority over every living thing no matter who or what it is.

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[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=9GgWrV8TcUc[/url]


That guy was a prick and I know I would've gotten in trouble if I was there because I wouldn't be able to control myself when the cop shouted, "I am not a dude!"  I know he was trying to earn a little respect but that's just funny right there.  Besides, there's no way any cop there is going to get repect if there whearing those black short shorts and a bright yellow shirt with a girdle.


Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: Scott on May 03, 2008, 04:05:13 PM

Maybe there is a psychology behind an aggressive approach with skateboarders, but I've never heard of it.


Well, law enforcement can and do work as a teams at times with one officer playing "bad cop" and the othe playing "good cop" to get a desired result or info from the different personality types they encounter in law enforcement.

WTF?  :bouncegiggle:  :bouncegiggle:  :bouncegiggle: excuse me ill be brand new brand new tomorrow a little bit tired but brand new... ooo... ooo...
Scott, you're quoting yourself...?  :bouncegiggle:  :bouncegiggle:  :bouncegiggle:  excuse me ill be brand new brand new tomorrow a little bit tired but brand new... ooo... ooo...

trushtwist your head around it's all around you...


 :bouncegiggle:

You mean like this?  :question:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWPgJONXc9A&feature=related

or around like this? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMwdAc1Dzfg



Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: AndyC on May 03, 2008, 06:06:13 PM
That guy was a prick and I know I would've gotten in trouble if I was there because I wouldn't be able to control myself when the cop shouted, "I am not a dude!"  I know he was trying to earn a little respect but that's just funny right there.  Besides, there's no way any cop there is going to get repect if there whearing those black short shorts and a bright yellow shirt with a girdle.

 :bouncegiggle: Karma for that. I think I'd be a miserable SOB too if I had to command respect from people while driving around in a Smart car dressed like Humpty Dumpty.


Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 03, 2008, 06:50:17 PM
You mean like this?  :question:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWPgJONXc9A&feature=related[/url]
or around like this? 
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMwdAc1Dzfg[/url]
:bouncegiggle:  :bouncegiggle:  :bouncegiggle:  :thumbup: (I don't know what the f*ck I mean either).   :lookingup:   :bouncegiggle: Now, SCOTT, I'm gonna commandeer your find and use it in another thread...  :tongueout: 


Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: Scott on May 03, 2008, 09:03:21 PM
Commandeer away Allhallowsday..................... :smile:


Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 03, 2008, 09:16:59 PM
Commandeer away Allhallowsday..................... :smile:
Sorry, you can't repeat a karma action without waiting 6 hours.  :thumbup:  :thumbdown: :thumbup: :thumbdown:  :thumbup:  :thumbdown:  :tongueout:


Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: Patient7 on May 03, 2008, 09:40:48 PM

or around like this? 

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMwdAc1Dzfg[/url]




Karma, I forgot about that song.


Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: Officer Rivierie on May 04, 2008, 05:50:38 PM
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[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=9GgWrV8TcUc[/url]


That guy was a prick and I know I would've gotten in trouble if I was there because I wouldn't be able to control myself when the cop shouted, "I am not a dude!"  I know he was trying to earn a little respect but that's just funny right there.  Besides, there's no way any cop there is going to get repect if there whearing those black short shorts and a bright yellow shirt with a girdle.


Young man I do not appreciat that kind of attitude!  I am an officer of the law and expect to be treated as such!  If you find yourself to good to actually show a man enough respect despite his apearence then I am afraid that you will be running into some trouble later on.


Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: Menard on May 04, 2008, 06:07:19 PM
Young man I do not appreciat that kind of attitude!  I am an officer of the law and expect to be treated as such!  If you find yourself to good to actually show a man enough respect despite his apearence then I am afraid that you will be running into some trouble later on.

Bulls**t!

If you want to come onto this forum in a poor attempt to debase a regular member of this forum, there are a few guidelines you should follow:

1) Learn to spell
2) Lose the spinster school teacher attitude
3) Don't misrepresent yourself

If need be, I can try to delineate the above in a vocabulary of words containing two syllables or less if it would help you to understand it.


Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: Andrew on May 04, 2008, 07:43:11 PM
If you want to come onto this forum in a poor attempt to debase a regular member of this forum, there are a few guidelines you should follow:

In this case it was one of our regulars, apparently just funning around and engaging in some parody.


Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: Menard on May 04, 2008, 08:12:40 PM
If you want to come onto this forum in a poor attempt to debase a regular member of this forum, there are a few guidelines you should follow:

In this case it was one of our regulars, apparently just funning around and engaging in some parody.

 :teddyr:

 :tongueout:


Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 04, 2008, 09:04:39 PM
 :lookingup:


Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: Patient7 on May 04, 2008, 10:00:01 PM
If you want to come onto this forum in a poor attempt to debase a regular member of this forum, there are a few guidelines you should follow:

In this case it was one of our regulars, apparently just funning around and engaging in some parody.

Way to ruin my fun Andrew.  :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :thumbup:

And thank you Menard for getting p**sed off at people who who suck, it's good to know there's someone watching my back.


Title: Re: Cops are D-bags.
Post by: clockworkcanary on May 04, 2008, 11:33:48 PM
I think the negative portrayal of Cops can only be attributed to Mitchell so he is to blame!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZcn2V4alPg

Full Scene (starting at 6:45)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc3LFRFgdxc&feature=related