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Well it's not out yet but early reviews of the film seem to think it sucks. As a rule I make my own opinion, but it seems to me that a nearly 70 year old action hero is a little hard to believe. 

So IMAGE THAT ... a multi-million dollar over hyped movie that suck, why this just can't be.

Anywho here is the link to the story ...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=566760&in_page_id=1773 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=566760&in_page_id=1773)

Why does Hollyweird have to dig up all these aging action actor ... Diehard, Rambo, Rocky and Indiana Jones. Isn't getting about time for the Goverornator to come out of the state house? As it was said in another thread it seems they are out of ideas and are just regurgitating the same ol' crap.

I don't care how old he is, he's still Indy!!!!  But yeah, 70 year old action hero, not much sense.  I plan to see it though.

Yeah, I mean, it's Indiana Jones...how can you say you're movie lover if you don't want to see this in the theater?  Sure there'll be naysayers but it's Indiana Jones.

The critics seem to pan popcorn films but who knows.  I'm a bit worried about Lebouf who I generally don't like when it comes to acting. 

Oh I'll go see it and I'll likely get the DVD and add it to my original trilogy box set. But I swear if he goes trapezing through the jungles or ancient runes with a walker I'm going to be p**sed. 

I'm going to try to go see it with as open of a mind as possible and make up my own opinion.

Hey Ford looks a lot younger than he is (65), and is still doing a lot of his own stunts.


I would not put any stock in a review published by AICN from a first timer under any circumstances.

Hear, hear.  Plus, usually first-person accounts should be backed up by reputable sources, to say the least: and AICN is hardly that.

As far as my own pre-watching opine: this is a can't miss situation.  After all, who doesn't love the Indiana Jones saga?  After all, I was one who enjoyed these in the theater (Temple of Doom not so much, but oh well...) and will be one of those lining up with my son to watch the adventures one more time.

Even if the film does tank (which I seriously cannot possibly imagine happening), it will be a thrill to sit there, see the Paramount logo morph into whatever mountain theme Spielberg chooses it to do so with, and hear the first few strains of Indy's theme then see the man appear and get caught up in another whirlwind adventure. 

I'll withhold judgment with everyone else, but seriously, it'll be good to see Indy again.   :teddyr:

I haven't seen any of the Indy flicks, actually.  Saw about 5 minutes or so when it was on tv and wasn't really interested. 

Was thinking about seeing it, if only because I like Shia LeBeouf. 

Now I'm gonna have huge boulders chucked at me, so I'll duck.  :buggedout:

George Lucas has said several times now that because of this movie has been so long coming, the anticipation is so high, that no matter what they did with film, they were going to get ripped to shreads because they didn't meet everyone's expectations.


By the way , I did read another review that rated this movie higher than Temple of Doom.                   So waiting to see the movie for one's self is definitely the way to go.

I think it's going to turn the Indy franchise on it's head.  I looks like Indy, instead of finding an artifact, has to bring one back to where it came from.  I think that'll be neat.

You need to go rent all three and watch them right now!   :hot:
Start at the beginning and watch them in order.  
Be advised that the second movie, "Temple of Doom" actually takes place before "Raiders" in the Indiana Jones timeline.

I was 7 years old when my parents took me to see Raiders of the Lost Ark and I remember the face melting scene at the end scaring the crap out of me.  I remember crying and my mom telling me that the movie was almost over.

All of the Indiana Jones films are top notch entertainment.  Any true movie lover needs to see each of them at least once.   :smile:

As for Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, I'll wait to see it and form my own opinion about it.
George Lucas has stated that this new film feels "tonally' like Raiders and it looks it.
When I saw the trailer for the first time, I thought the exact same thing.

I've got very little interest in the movies, actually.  I like movies, but I'm not a big George Lucas or Harrison Ford fan, or a fan of the adventure type flicks.

Trust me, you'll like these.  They're all awesome!   :thumbup:

My wife has not seen any of them either, which surprised me when I found out.

No offense, but I think I'll skip em.  I've made it 24 years not seeing them.  I'll last not seeing them.

You're only hurting yourself.

Actually, avoiding the sequels (Temple of Doom and Last Crusade) will save a guy some pain, , those sucked. The  original was a good movie when it came out, and I personally still like it, but it's not a be-all end-all of movies that some seem to think it is. I'd put it alongside "Die Hard", a decent movie that many people go nuts over, but I'm not sure what all the fuss is. Happy's right, it's not for someone that's not an adventure flick fan.

The first one was an absolute classic, maybe the best cliffhanger, roller-coaster ride action movie ever made.  The sequels were pretty good attempts to recapture the magic, but I think the suffered from the law of diminishing returns.  We knew what to expect, as there were really no stunts Spielberg could dream up that would top the first flick.  I won't seek this out, but I won't boycott it, either.

Okay, if you see one, see the first one.  It's definitely an American cinema icon.

Check it out!
Roger Ebert has reviewed Crystal Skull and gave it 3.5 out of 4 stars.

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080518/REVIEWS/969461084

I just love the Indy films.  Ford is tough and sexy and funny and he gets himself into some kick-arse adventures.  I loved all the movies equally.  So I'm looking forward to this one, but I'll do my usual El Cheapo schtick and wait until it comes out on DVD.

Raiders of the Lost Ark is my favorite movie of all time.

As long as the new one is at least on par with the sequels in terms of quality, I'll enjoy the hell out of it.

I've been checking out some of the early reviews and they've been negative for the most part...Along the lines of it drags in places, Blanchett's accent sounds like Natasha from Rocky and Bullwinkle, and it's too formulaic.

That probably means I'm going to love it.   :teddyr:

I think I'd have to disagree about the sequels.  While Temple of Doom is more of a comic book movie with cheesy dialogue,  The Last Crusade is on par with Raiders of the Lost Arc in a lot areas.  It has a better script than temple of doom and a more intricate plot.  Plus, the addition of Sean Connery makes it even better.  As sequels go it's pretty darn good. 

However, I don't believe Kingdom of the Crystal Skull will be any good.  It seems like the Hollywood types just slap these movies together without much thought and/or attention to detail.  They don't think about us fans...just the bottom line.  Giving us movie nerds an empty feeling as we filter out of the theaters.  Plus, I don't know if bringing back the spielberg/lucas combo is a great idea.  While they've done great things in the past I find their latest attempts to be completely generic.

I think this is why I watch bad movies.  As bad as they are, these movies don't give you any false hope of cinema glory.  Plus, they can be hilarious.

Also, I wouldn't go by what Roger Ebert says.  This is the guy that thought Ghosts of Mars and Collateral Damage were thumbs up material.

I saw them all first-run on the big screen, as it was the thing to do at the time --

Really, I agree with Happy Gilmore -- you can live quite easily not seeing these.  See some old Errol Flynn or Douglas Fairbanks if you need a fix for this sort of thing.

As far as the first one goes, I could never get past this one scene:  Indiana Jones sneaks on board the Nazi submarine as it's leaving port.  He very clearly is hiding on deck.  The sub submerges.  Later, here he comes again!  Now, where on earth was he hiding on that submarine???  Did he hold his breath for 3000 miles?  Did he kill a crewman and impersonate him on the lower decks?  In any case, this one scene created such a break with the film's internal logic for me that I really couldn't enjoy the rest of it.  I mean, what would it have cost to show a scene of him finding a crawlspace under the torpedo tubes or ANYTHING??  I mean, one minute he's there, the next he isn't, and then THERE HE IS AGAIN!!  Nope, didn't like that one little bit.

Also, Afrika Korps uniforms and insignia on the Nazis . . . Isn't the film set in the mid-'30's?  The German Afrika Korps didn't come into being until after 1941.  I mean, have Nazis by all means, but try to stay at least MINIMALLY in touch with the times.  I mean, if Indy isn't going to get a congratulatory telegram from President Eisenhower, then try to get the unforms right . . .

I will say I did like the reference to "Citizen Kane" at the very end.  That did make me laugh.

Movie prices being what they are today, I know I'll wait until this one comes to network TV --

peter johnson/denny crane

There's a deleted (or unfilmed) scene showing Indy sneaking aboard the submarine and hiding out during the trip but I think they omitted it for time.

I saw this the other say and enjoyed it. It was a worthy addition to the series, in my opinion.

 :thumbup:

Ghouck and HappyGilmore I see you guys are not a fans of The Indiana Jones Movies huh " Too bad so sad ". :thumbdown:

All ive seen is Temple of Doom. Well, MOST of it. I turned it off before it was done. it sucked.

I disagree, I love Short Round  :bouncegiggle:

WARNING MEGA SPOILERS



INDIANA JONES AND THE KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL (2008) - Went to see this film last night and it was great to see Harrison Ford back as Indiana Jones even if he did look worn out. It's a must see if you like Indiana Jones, but let me tell you that it wasn't a great film. Allot of unrealistic chases, cgi, Indies lack of pep, lack of effective humor, and poor use of a potentially great storyline. Steven Spielberg has Indiana Jones meet Aliens and UFO's. Great idea, but Steven Spielberg doesn't give us the awe of a CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND (1977) experience instead Indiana and his group find a crystal skull and return it only to find more crystal skeleton aliens who simply take off in their spacecraft once the skull is put back in place at the end of the film.

Something the film should get credit for is bringing back Karen Allen as Indiana's love from the first film. Both aged now and the film reveals that Indiana Jones is the father to the young punk who locates him for another archaeologist pursuit. The kid finds out that not only is Indiana Jones more than just a professor, but in fact his father. Here you see the influence of a Lucas theme (STAR WARS). In the end Indiana Jones gets married to Karen Allens character like we all felt he should have in the first film and Indiana Jones almost passes his famous hat (or torch) to the kid, but he picks it up at the last minute before leaving the church with kids mother and bride of Indiana Jones.

Speeding up an older Indy and slowing down the film to capture the mystery and awe of an alien encounter instead of a jungle temple exploration action film would have been more to my liking.

The film is on par with TEMPLE OF DOOM as far as the series goes, but less interesting than say NATIONAL TREASURE: BOOK OF SECRETS. It could have been an extremely great film with the ancient astronauts, city of gold legend, and a Matto Grasso location, but they failed to put it together as neatly as the NATIONAL TREASURE films.

(6 out of 10 Stars)  :thumbup: :thumbdown: A must see for fans of the series. No need to see it in the theater. It can wait till DVD release.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lPTJ4v6KPrg&feature=related(http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00267/harr_267439d.jpg)

Well, that's my fault as I did not see that when I started reading.

Uh...gee...thanks.  :bluesad:

Sorry about that Menard. I'll make it a non-moving warning.

Yeah I think National Treasure will be the next big franchise. I actually enjoyed the second one more than the first and with "Page 47" you know they'll be a third.

I'm looking forward to seeing Indiana Jones again but I think I'll wait for the DVD unless I can catch a cheap matinée showing. They have them here for $2 on occasion. I figured it wouldn't live up to the first three completely.

The first Indiana Jones movie gave me my nickname - a few months after it came out, I was arrowhead hunting with a friend of mine and we had to cross a small creek on a footlog which broke - I threw myself forward, caught a dangling branch, swung to the opposite side of the creek, and scrambled up the bank . . . he said, "Dang, man, you're like a real-life Indiana Jones."
  With typical 17 year old braggadocio, I sniffed, "I am Indiana SMITH, and unlike that wimp Harrison Ford, I am NOT afraid of snakes!"

Thus the future internet legend was born. :teddyr:

I saw this yesterday and was disappointed.  After the long hiatus since the previous INDIANA JONES flick, I had high hopes they would come up with a top-notch sequel.  Not so.  It's "same old, same old,"  "been there, done that," and generally uninspired from beginning to end.  The movie has a few good moments, and the attack by red ants is a fun sequence.  For most of the movie I kept waitng for something breathtaking to happen, but it never did.

I had my expectations lowered a lot by early stuff I'd read.  The film has a lot of weak spots.  Shia is good in the film, but he isn't Indiana Jones.  Nor can he ever be him.  Some scenes completely lack any tension when they shouldn't.  The snake scene is too ludicrous.  The film feels rushed in its locales a little too much.  He'll be someplace for like 5 seconds, then we get another redline map.  The ending is weak.  The villain is middling. 

That said, there were a number of things I liked.  Harrison Ford is as good as ever.  I actually mostly liked Mutt.  Most action scenes are good. 

Overall, I enjoyed it.  It's a marginal 7/10 from me.  Weakest of the 4 as far as I'm concerned. 

Went with my wife and son and saw it yesterday. We all liked very much and I understand why the movie turned out like it did.

They've been trying to get together on a script for years and finally had to settle, because let's face it, Ford hasn't got many action hero years left in him.

It's at least as good as Temple and there was nothing in it any more preposterous than the others.

My wife and I are going to see it with another couple tonight.  I'm pretty easy to please, movie-wise, so I think we'll have some fun.

I haven't had this much fun in a movie since the first NATIONAL TREASURE.  What a great popcorn-munching thrill ride!!!  Yes, some parts were predictable.  Yes, some of the scenes were unrealistic.  Yes, Harrison Ford is getting a little long in the tooth for these kind of roles.  To all of that I say:

SO WHAT????

The action is consistent, the villains despicable, the scrapes and twists non-stop, and the countless little homages to the older films in the series, to current events, to other great films - I was thoroughly entertained!

Everything from a glimpse of the Ark of the Covenant still resting in its crate to Ford's comment about a "nucular explosion" to the little tip of the hat to THE YOUNG INDIANA JONES CHRONICLES (the cancellation of that series was one of the main reasons I abandoned network TV years ago) - I mean, wow!   


OK, in terms of the original trilogy - I would rate this movie better than TEMPLE OF DOOM and right on a par with THE LAST CRUSADE and RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK.  The Lucas/Spielberg magic was definitely working on me tonight!

The thing I still find the most preposterous in any of the films is the cliff fall on the inflatable raft in Temple.  Yeah, there's stuff equally unlikely in the new one (soldier ants being able to carry a person, for instance).  But nothing quite as silly, for me at least.

Saw it this weekend, and although it was an OK film I'd also rate around 6 -6'5 over 10. It's not only the expectations, it's easily the worse of all four.

Starting with the good stuff, Harrison Ford is still Indiana Jones, and if he has a higher ratio of college professor over adventurer, I couldn't care less. This said, the action scenes are far less relentless than in previous Indiana movies (more on that later), and the pace resembles more Raiders of the lost ark than the sequels. This is fitting, considering the aging Indy and all that. Also possitive are the incorporation of both Shia LeBouf (he makes a great 50s rebel, and one can see him carrying the torch in future sequels) and Cate Blanchett, easily among the best villains of the series.

And now, the many downsides. The script is messy, too many things going on in there, and pulling the film in different directions. This could be forgiven if the dialogue was good and Spielberg's direction as tight as in the previous films. But they aren't. Spielberg has changed over the years, and there's no turning back. He tries to do the cartoon-like action scenes, mostly succeeding despite the blatant CGI and the fact that they are far less violent than in the past. The film may be even less violent than Raiders, despite a higher body count. Now I wasn't exactly expecting something on the level of Temple on violence, but I couldn't but wince everytime a red shirt buys it and Spielberg quickly moves to other stuff.

But I could forgive this easily if he handled the rest of the movie with the same profesionality. Well, he doesn't. Without sinking to the levels of non-intelligence of a Roland Emmerich or a John Turtletaub, Spielberg's direction feels rather flat and uninspired. And when finally Marion Ravenwood joins the adventurers the whole thing just screams "Family Reunion TV Special". And there's still a lot of running time left. Yawn.

In the end KOTCS is not as bad as you may expect, but it's also a far cry from the other Indiana movies. It's sort of decent, and way better than the legions of imitators you've seen over the years, but in the end the magic is not back, and you end up wondering if they just shouldn't have let Indy ride into the sunset.

***********Couple of Possible Spoilers*********


I don't have much more to add except that the reunion of Indy and Marion should have been a magical moment, and while it was nice, I wouldn't call it magic. That's the problem with this movie, no magic.  Some very good ideas, but it seemed that everyone involved was very tired. Maybe they could have slowed it downa  little and taken a deeper look at heroism and family or something. Instead we got Shia swinging around with monkeys like it was a Disney cartoon and Indy surviving a nuclear blast by climbing into a lead lined refridgerator. Now if he told this story to the military, then why didn't the Army just issue refridgerators to all our soldiers and citizens in case of nuclear attack? A bunch of 300-400 dollars Fridgidaire's could have rendered the Red Menace null and void. I guess it was that darn military-industrial complex. :question:

There had better not be any more sequels, I don't car how great a movie is, at one point the amount of sequels is sad.  Three was good for Indy, four, no, it was a blatantly wide line in this case and they crossed it.  Don't get me wrong, I believe that this movie will actually be pretty good and I've heard good things, I just think that a movie shouldn't push it on the sequels no matter ho good they might be, unless it's good enough to be called a classic in fifty years.

Indiana Jones V - Quest for Viagra
Indiana Jones VI - In Search of the Lost Teeth
Indiana Jones VII - Raiders of the Senior Center
Indiana Jones VIII - Secret of the Scooter Store
Indiana Jones IX - Nursing Home of Doom
Indiana Jones X - Pushing up the Dasie's

Indy: Call It A Rope!!!

Just got back from seeing it and I have to say that my opinion of it is generally favorable.  I've been a big fan of the original three since childhood and this one fits in pretty nicely.  I've always felt that Temple Of Doom was the worst of the original three and I might even rank this one higher than that.  It's not superb, it's not the sequel we have waited 19 years for but it's not too bad.

19 years?! I didn't realize it was that long ago! Wow, i feel OLD.

 :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :thumbup: :cheers:

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WatchED CLOSE ENCOUNTERS again last night and was considering what Neville said about Speilberg loosing the majic he once had with films. Then I thought that this is what happens when you run out of idea's, then I thought he wouldn't want to spoil the greatness of CLOSE ENCOUNTERS by having Indy having a similiar encounter with aliens, then I was talking with my daughter about it and we figured it's more about archeology than meeting space aliens and in the end I guess that was what Speilberg was doing. Making this the ultimate archeology film that involve ancient astronauts. Archeology being the theme and not the alien encounter so much. 

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I don't think the problem here is lack of ideas, though. I think that Spielberg has matured, and has sort of forgotten how to make tight 100% entertainment films.

Aw, c'mon now.  HARRISON FORD is only 66...!   :wink: :bouncegiggle:

FORD was born in 1942.  Last year when FORD's previous film, FIREWALL, came out, the USA Weekend magazine touted how FORD should be commended for choosing to work with actresses who were "more mature" and not so much younger than he.  Talk about spin...!  His costar was VIRGINIA MADSEN who was born in 1961.  You do the math.   :lookingup:

Indiana Jones XI - Indy Has Risen from the Grave

I thought that with the subject matter and especially the direction they decided to take with this one, that they really made the best movie that they could in those circumstances.

I really enjoyed it though.

I just came back today from seeing IJATKOTCS and, surprisingly, enjoyed the heck out of it.  Just like old times, almost; you can't go home again, but at least I got to visit the same neighborhood.

And if you want me to get more in depth, please click away (http://"http://thegreatwhitedope.blogspot.com/2008/05/indiana-jones-and-kingdom-of-crystal.html")....

What about Indiana Jones and the Holy Prepuce (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Prepuce)?

It follows the trend of Indy looking for biblic artifacts.

Finally saw this today. After many scathing reviews I've heard on the radio and seen online, I was expecting it to be bad, but I really, really liked it. I think they made the best film that they could, given the passage of time. It might not have had that same epic sense of wonder, but I still thought it was very good.

I know this is some hardcore necro, but creating another thread is pointless considering there's some pretty good comments on this one.
Anyways, last week I was staying at my parents house and happened to find the last 15 minutes of THE LAST CRUSADE, a movie which I really like, and was going to be followed by THE KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL. I remember watching this one only once and I really didn't enjoyed it much. The second viewing after many years helped a lot, but still, I think it's an extremely flawed movie. There's so much wrong with it that I don't even know where to start...

* First of all, I hate the character of Mutt, and particularly the actor himself, which I don't even know the name. Every time I see that stupid face I instantly get angry at the screen. That guy sucks, and really ruined the movie for me. Hell, if he wasn't there, I would've probably liked it more.

* The whole aliens stuff. This subject is interesting, because I don't think it's bad, but it just feels out of place to me. The thing is, I like Indy movies because they deal with paranormal artifacts related to religion and ancient cultures, but even with the line "depends on who your God is" (which is a great line, because it pretty much explains the whole idea of the movie), I think aliens being gods is something that only became popular in recent decades, and if it weren't for History Channel and other media banging the concept over and over, nobody would consider it beyond science fiction. Compare it to artifacts like the Holy Grail, which entire history has been written over it, and the alien concept just falls flat. Not to mention, it's just more fetish for Spielberg, who I'm pretty sure has sexual attraction to aliens (I really can't find another explanation for his constant fascination with them).

* The antagonists. While the evil russians looked cool and we finally got a break from nazis, the main villain, this chick with mental powers, is beyond lame. Not only she never uses these abilities (only once at the beginning, yet she fails miserably) and we never get any form of explanation of what they're supposed to be or where they came from, but she also barely manages to beat Mutt in a swordfight. Like, she should've owned him in seconds. Maybe I missed something about her powers because I had to get up a couple of times, but still, it never really pays off. Not to mention, they got into the warehouse with all the artifacts from history, and they never even check any of the boxes? And shouldn't that place be heavily guarded anyways?

* The triple agent thing. Yeah, simply ridiculous. It's like not even the writters knew what the heck to do with the character of Mac. Are really his motives just "money"? Man, that's some deep character development right there. At the end, he says goodbye to Indy as if he were ashamed of his actions, but we never get any form of closure. He's nothing but filler and deus ex machina. The same goes for Marion, who's just there for the nostalgia fix.

* The monkeys. Probably the most retarded scene I've seen in my entire life, and I've watched TROLL 2 multiple times. I know it's supposed to be an homage to Tarzan or something, but what the f**k has that to do with this movie? Not to mention, the CGI is terrible, like the rest of the movie. Really, really bad animation. The aliens looked particularly crappy too.

* Individual scenes that just stretch our suspension of desbelief to its limits. I know these kind of movies aren't made to be taken seriously, but are we really led to believe that you can use a huge snake as a rope, or get in a refrigerator to survive an atom bomb? It's like they're trying to be as absurd as possible just to test us, it almost feels like a cartoon. The fridge scene I actually had to explain it to myself by saying that Indy has a more enduring body because he drank from the Holy Grail in the last movie, so he basically has near immortality (his dad still died so I guess he will too eventually, but not from wounds).

It may seem as if I hated the movie, and to be honest, in my first viewing I did, but as I said before, this second watch helped. The final scene was terrible - we came from the whole gang riding into the sunset to Indy getting married. He's the symbol of adventure, danger, and freedom, and now he'll be doing the dishes by eight o'clock. I did liked the part where Mutt tries to get the hat as if he's saying "now it's my turn" but Indy just takes it away with that smirk of "lol yeah right". This basically means that even the writers knew that Mutt sucks balls, and they're telling it right there.

Overall, I give the movie 6/10. Not terrible, but it felt like a quick cash grab for the nostalgia suckers.

Well, it seems that nearly everyone hated the character of Mutt, who was played by actor Shia LeBeouf, so he won't be back in what has become known as Indiana Jones V, which is slated for release in 2021. What we do know besides the fact that Harrison Ford will return as Indiana Jones, is that John Rhys-Davies has expressed an interest in returning, and that the film will be set sometime in the 1960s. We also know that the director will be Steven Spielberg, the screenwriter is Jonahan Kasdan, the son of screenwriter Lawrence Kasdan,  and the composer will be John Williams. While Paramount Pictures will share in any profits, the film will have a new distributor the Walt Disney Company. The Company having bought out Lucas Films.

Its been a while since I've seen this.  (Come to think of it, its been a while since I've seen any of the Indiana Jones movies).  So some of what I'm think might be out of date, or me miss remembering things.

With the Russians mental powers-I got the impression that she didn't really have any.  Like it was a bluff to get people to talk.  Or she thought she did-but it was a self delusion.

As for the fridge, people have pointed out Indy survived equally absurd situations before.  Like stopping a mine car with his feet. Hiding in a sub's tube, which would have been filled with water-thus drowning him.

I agree with some of the other stuff you said.