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I recently discovered that if a person is saying theiy're going to "kick your ass"  just tell them that they wont.  When I say this I mean they wont even take a punch because I'm not worth it, but they interpret it as they wont be able to.  If you say it in a calm and collected manner then they'll just get really p**sed off then shut up.  :bouncegiggle:

That's no fun.


If someone is going to bother to warn me, it's nothing a fist to the eye socket, grab to the the nads, or slamming their head into the nearest solid object can't solve.

Of course, if you are at a bar, or otherwise seedy joint, a pool cue, bottle, or ambush is usually your only warning if someone is serious about fighting with you.

Or, you could always take the advice of the great Bas Rutten...

(this video is hilarious!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3K-mrlYG7Y

I was a rather scrawny kid in high school, and my Mom was the Junior/Senior English teacher, so I might as well have had a target painted on my forehead.  One time I was in the bathroom as a freshman when three seniors walked in and saw me and came for me.  I started growling like a rabid dog and slobbering all over myself and trying to bite them . . . they backed off and I RAN for the door!


Not my proudest moment, but I didn't get beat up either.  Now I'm a third degree black belt, and no one tries to mess with me.

I'm curious...

Do you suppose that not being a kid in school anymore has anything to do with staying out of fights, or do you actually wear your black belt wherever you go? :teddyr:

Probably the fact that I am not in high school, and am a fairly sizable fellow at 250 pounds . . . .  :teddyr:

When I was a kid and later in the military I got in a lot of fights ... might be because I started most of them. :buggedout: But now being older, wiser I rarely encounter anyone that gets fighting stupid. That's something that come with age.

The best way to avoid a fight is to walk away. It's the old saying it takes a bigger man to walk away. Took me a long time and assorted victories and losses to figure that out.

I actually bite a guy in the neck once. He walked up to me and my brother Richie on Long Island and told us to sell him some weed. I told him and don't smoke pot. He called me a liar and pushed me against a parked car. So I spit in his face. he grabbed hold of my shirt...so I jumped up-(I'm kinda-well-REAL short) and got him inna headlock. he grabbed my nards,so...I bite his neck. He let go of me quick. He was bleeding too. A cop pulled up and busted it up....he had watched the whole thing! He told me and my brother to move on....he and the other guy had a talk,maybe he got busted. I dunno.

 I got inna fight outside a bar too. Some creep in the bar got p**sed because I was talking to some girl he liked. I only went in to buy a bottle of whiskey. He shoved me. I said"Hell with it." And walked out. Once outside....I walked up to the window and tapped on it. He looked-I gave him the bird. He tore out the bar and started punching my head. I leaned against the wall and covered my head with my arms. His girlfreind ran out hollering. He stopped for a sec-I pulled the pint outta my pocket and slammed it bottom first into his head. It busted and I got booze and blood all over my shirt and hand. He fell down...I ran...to the store. I bought another bottle and went home. The lady in the store looked at me real weird! (I'm kinda weird looking anyway.... :lookingup:)

Bela has been a bad influence on you. :teddyr:
 


I'm almost willing to bet that he was an undercover cop trying to score a bust.

Grab to the nads...?   :lookingup:  You are so bad, Menard!

As for me, I've been jumped by three guys (not good) beat the sh*t out of an old roommate (he deserved it) had major slugfests with two guys that are two of my best friends, and when I was a kid ...Crap!  I was also scrawny and short (now I'm 6 ft) so I was always getting pushed around.  You learn alot gettin' pushed around, for one thing, don't take it.  Better to get a black eye, bloody nose, bruised knuckles... however, as CHEEZEE offered, when you get older you learn to avoid that crap.  I been good 'long time.   :teddyr:

Hope you had your fingers crossed. :tongueout:

:bouncegiggle: C'mon, y'wan' me to knock you on yer ass???

You can say the sweetest things. :wink:

:bouncegiggle: Now you'd get karma, but no can do. 

Fighting must be a guy thing.  I've never been in a fight in my life.  I was always scared and mousy in high school.  Now if someone tried, they'd be dead before they hit the ground  *lol*

Nobody has the right to touch me without my permission, let alone in a violent way. I tell my son never to start a fight, but absolutely finish one.  He's 6' 1" and 95 kgs (about 200lbs), so anyone who picks him deserves to get pummelled.  He's actually a very peaceable person, which is nice.  And he's at that wonderful age (17) where he feels he can protect me if need be.

17, 6' 1", and 200 lbs?  I don't think he'll have too much trouble with people picking on him  :teddyr:

I never had much problem with fights.  Somebody would be screwin' with me, I'd shove 'em off, say "Oh, f**k off" and walk away.  They'd usually lose interest.  There was some scrawny, drunk biker guy at a party once, he could barely stand up.  He really couldn't stand up after I booted him in the nuts. That's my entire experience with fights.

I suppose I should point out that I'm 5'11" and around 160 lbs, nobody's ever seen me fight but they know I'm wierd so that might be getting them to back off.  However I know that if I DO get in a fight I'll grab them by the neck, then they know their dealing with  :buggedout:PATIENT7 :buggedout:

Also, I'll punch them in the nads if the need arises. :bouncegiggle:

Actually, both of those are bad moves as either technique leaves your defenses down.

If you are going to grab someone's nads, and I mean grab hold of them and twist, you need to be standing almost close enough to kiss them. Though that may seem contrary, at that close of a distance, they would have to back off of you first if they were going to throw a punch, and that leaves them open.

If you are going for the neck, don't grab it, just punch them in the throat (not too hard as that could actually kill someone).

Frankly, if you are grabbing hold to someone, it had better be by something that disables them as, if it does not, you have tied up one of your hands while their's are both free and able to hurt you.

I think in this instance you could use the presumptive gender...   :wink:

 :bouncegiggle:

You are most certainly correct.

Actually most people who are experienced fighter will expect to be attacked in the crotch and will stand slightly sideways to swivel their hips to avoid such an attack. You'll like meet with a strong upper cut if you move in to do a nut grab, a properly delivered upper cut will knock you out cold.

Now what most people don't expect is a punch with only the first to joints of your finger bent to the throat. This can crush their esophagus in one blow. Nor do that expect to have you try and pull their ear off, if you have Obama ears this can be a problem, it takes about 13 pounds of force to tear an ear off, I find this to be somewhat distracting to your opponent to have a ear missing.  Now if they stand to far sideways this leaves their kidneys open to attack, a couple of hard hit to the kidneys will put them down and they'll be p**sing blood for a while. The back of the head is a weak spot too, strong hits to the back of the head will cause lights out. Should you get knocked down roll out of the way to avoid a kick and grab a hand full of sand, dirt, whatever if possible and throw it in their eyes. If down, try using a sweep kick to bring them down, keep in mind your legs are far more powerful than your arms, use them. And never get against a wall or fence that's the best way to get you butt handed to you. If you really want to fight dirty, try stabbing them in the neck with a pen, good chance you'll win. 
The key to winning is to remember there are no rules.

I would like to point out that for a schoolyard brawl lethal tactics are generally not a good idea. :lookingup:

Have you seen some of the schools nowadays?

Kids aren't much different today than when either one of us went to school. The main thing is the degree of repression: locked doors, metal detectors, verbal intolerance (making a comment like 'I'm going to kill you' as bragging rights for one's non-existent fighting skills can now get a kid hauled off by the police and forced into therapy).

It's not the kids that have changed, but the totalitarians that are running things and repressing kids to the point that they blow up because they have no other, or feel they don't, outlet.

Back in my day, an occasional gun would show up in someone's locker and they would go to the office, perhaps talk to a cop who would scare the hell out of them, and be reported to their parents, who would scare the hell out of them even more.

Of course, small caliber handguns were not that difficult to sneak into school, and rarely, if ever, was it loaded as it was primarily for bragging rights.

Of course, back in your day, I realize it was difficult to sneak a flintlock into school. :teddyr: :tongueout:

Yes Flintlocks were quite bulky, me being around a year older than you, you'd know that.

To a degree I agree with you ... are you setting down? I know you are shocked.

Kids are kids and that doesn't change much, now I DO think that kids today are more desensitized to sex and violence. What was a violent toy in the 60', Rock'em Sock'em Robots? Lawn Darts? Today nearly every game is based around killing something, and often it's quite graphic. Now I'm not blaming games on the problem, I think it has more to do with poor parenting and parents being to wrapped up in their own life to raise their children right and relay on the electronic babysitter. I could go on a big spill about what I see some parents doing wrong (IMO) ... I get a close look at it as my wife does parental terminations, foster care and adoptions. Some of these kids have raised themselves and didn't do a very good job. Many of these parents aren't worth killing. There are exceptions, but they are rare where a parent sees the light and turns their life around and flies right. One quick example of what I'd call a stupid parent was some 8 or 9 year old kid I saw in Best Buy ask their parent "Mom can I get this game? (Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas) and she agreed and let him get it she didn't even look to see what it was ... my head nearly exploded. this is a adolescent child getting and playing a game about stealing cars and killing people ... smart move MOM ... those rating are there for a reason, read them.
Facts are many kids lack positive role models and guidance that they so desperately need. It's like I said in my original post in this thread the smart thing to do in a fight is to walk away. 99.9% of the things people (especially kids and young adults) fight over is not worth fighting over. And I'm a fine one to talk, I spent from the first grade to about age 25 or so, fighting at the drop of a hat over stupid stuff, foolish, just flat out foolish. Live and learn.   

Dang, I forgot to check the calendar today to see if Hell was scheduled to freeze over. :drink:


Interesting that we have gone through the 'toy guns are bad' phase, but apparently a virtual gun that a kid uses to kill people in a game is okay. :lookingup:

I quite disagree with those who say that video games and movies don't have any affect on kids. I not saying that either is going to make the kid go out and commit a crime, but we are a collective of our experiences and if a kid is pretty much left alone with hardly anything else but that, then what life lessons are they basing right and wrong on?

Certainly it is easy to say it is bad parents, and in many cases it is someone who has no better upbringing to provide any better for their kids; kind of like passing the torch of non-commitment. There are as well parents who don't have much quality time with their kids just trying to make ends meet, and single mothers who have to work two jobs and try to take care of their kids while the one who ran out on them is out there doing it again.

The ratings don't necessarily mean that much. Who is making the decision for me that a certain game is okay for a child of a certain age? Of course, that speaks to your point that the parent should be the one making that decision and not relying on some game manufacturer or ratings guideline to do it for them.

Quite frankly, we can spend a lot of time blaming it on everyone eventually, but to me it comes down to the companies themselves. They promote these products to kids with the knowledge that a lot of parents aren't going to check it out because they presume the company is watching out for them. The company only gives a damn about profit and will feed the innate human desire for bloodlust in any way they can.

One thing that sickens me about my own business, magazine merchandising, is that the distributors themselves use the same type of cross promotion that happens when Hollywood studios advertise R-rated movies on video game machines that they know are being played by 12 year old kids. Every planogram for magazines puts the kids and teen titles next to the heavy metal magazines (Walmart, hypocritically, is about the worst for this while Kroger at least has somewhat of a buffer zone).

Some would call it natural, but the intent, and companies do not hide this, is to get kids interested in the music magazines so that they can cross merchandise music CDs (both magazine distributors for which I work also distribute music CDs to many of the same stores where they distribute magazines).

That's just my aimless ranting. Don't know if I actually said anything; I think it was all random.

Any parent that thinks a company is looking out for their kid is a bad parent or at the very least a stupid/naive one, that is the job of the parent to look out for their kids.

Remember at x-mas we'd get a cap gun or pop gun with a holster and cowboy hat? No blood, no gore just pretend. Nothing is left to the imagination anymore. The cartoon violence of Bug Bunny and Elmer Fudd have given way to the graphic sex and violence of Animie and overly graphic games which are fine for adults, but not kids. Guess that's why I like Zelda where it just disappears into a puff of smoke, I don't need guts and brains splattered on the screen to get the point their dead.

So one can say parent have to work two jobs and have little time for parenting, but that is a poor excuse. It what you do with your kids while you're with them more so than how much time you have with them. Quality over quantity. I know parents that have plenty of time available to the their kids, but fail to spend time with them, fail to instruct them on right and wrong, fail to give them guidance. There going be watching TV one night and see their kid on a Girl Gone Wild commercial and wonder where they went wrong.

Yes the companies are going to market to kids, they always have ... candied cigarettes, bubble gum cigars ring a bell? But is it the companies fault if a parent doesn't look to see what their kids are watching or playing? That straight out of the blameless society we are living in today. It's always somebody else's fault, nope the buck has to stop somewhere and when it come to your kids, it stops with you.

Speaking of planogram's and displays when I was about 9 or 10 I went to the store and I bought a MAD, CRACKED (remember that one) and another one called "GOODIES" well MAD and CRACKED were about the same, GOODIES had a ton of T&A in it, sort of a early Heavy Metal type mag, well I got them home and I my mother saw them and looked it them, MAD - Ok, Cracked - OK ... Goodies - she snapped! I had to take it back, tell them what it was so not to sell it to other kids and I had several other punishments to go along with it all over poorly drawn cartoon boobs. Point is more parent back then found out what you were up to, looking at, hanging with, doing etc ... not very many today do, they justify it by saying "Aw, I've seen worse on a commercial." or "It isn't that bad." Some parents just seem to not want the responsibility of being a parent. You brought them into this world, now raise them.

Remember when some parents sued Black Sabbath because they said their kids played the album backwards and heard the words "Kill yourself" and the kid did? Well was it that Black Sabbath's fault or was it the fault if the parent for not paying any attention to a kid that clearly had greater issues. I played all kinds of albums backwards growing up and never heard a thing unless you really stretched your imagination. The only thing it ever caused me to do was screw up a bunch of albums and needles. I am so sick and tired of hearing parents say it's not my fault, I did all I could, I don't know what happened to them, it's the TV's fault, the internet, anything but me. BS! You (collectively said) know what the problem is and it's in the mirror.

"I'm a lover not a fighter."  :smile:

Simply walk away if you don't want to fight. No harm done. If they insist then do what you can. Remember there are no rules in a real fight. Only been in three encounters in my adult life and 2 of them could have been avoided if I chose to.

There are three levels of non-weapon threats:

1.) The drunkard - This is no threat if you get out of the way. Using some basic control techniques should suffice.
2.) The macho man - Their ego will defeat them if you have some basic ability and knowledge.
3.) The educated fighter - They don't usually instigate a fight. This type fight never happens unless your in compitition.

There are three levels of fighting ability:

1.) The Novice - Learned enough to get themselves killed.
2.) Advance Student - Learned enough to kill, injure, and some control.
3.) Master - Learned enough to control without injuring or killing if they choose.

I have no desire to fight anyone. Nobody wins in a fight.

Actually I don't believe in the invincible fighter or master idea. I believe anyone can be beat on any given day. It's the element of surprise that can lead to survival. It's the ability to deliver the unknown. It's also good to increase your knowledge and skill as these increase your odds.

There is always someone bigger, stronger, faster, and/or smarter than another. Not everyone can remain at their peak. Just learn how to handle yourself without getting overly involved in the fight game.

It's really best to forget about fighting and to look towards eternal things.

Seek the heart of God.

Hence the neck grab, I'm just saying that if a person has no fighting experience this'll probably put a good scare in them.  But as Menard said, I'm screwed if they actually CAN fight.

Quite frankly, I have a problem with grabbing somebody by the neck just to scare them. The neck is a vulnerable point on the body by which you can kill somebody. Grabbing someone by the neck is basically initiating the attempt to do lethal harm to them, and if they respond in a like manner, you may well be in trouble, whether they have fighting experience or not; whether they can fight or not, a person who feels that their life is threatened will fight, and more viciously, to protect themselves against the perceived threat than what you will to keep the threat going.

There's an old cliche (I don't normally care for cliches) that says a person, or persons, being pursued will always run faster than those those doing the pursuing.

If you want to just scare someone, use their own fight or flight against them. Standing someone down, if they are just a braggart and have no real intent of fighting, will cause a physiological reaction in them. They can fight or back down; if they had no intention of fighting, then they will most likely back down.

Of course, the key is confidence, as you are not separated from physiology yourself. You will feel the same thing and have to respond in one way or another.

Most fights, especially at a high school level, are going to end up one of three ways: one participant backs down, they dance with each other, or they start trading punches. The latter usually only happens if both are equally mad or equally confident. Dancing is what happens when neither of two opponents wants to throw a punch and they end up walking around in circles talking it up more than anything. The one who is confident and stands their ground can actually control the outcome.

If you have the upper hand in confidence and win that part of the fight, you can either push enough that the opponent will back down or have no other choice than to fight you. You can also use the upper hand (figuratively :lookingup:) to bring them into your circle; meaning that if the other person feels threatened and is at the fight or flight stage, you can end it there, not by humiliating them, but by suggesting a draw.

If you do grab someone by the throat, and they end up kicking your ass, you got what you deserved. If you want someone to respect your life, you will need to respect their's first.

Besides, if you are able to grab someone by the throat, why not just grab them by the hair, an ear, or a collar, and bring their head into contact with your knee? :teddyr:

Keep in mind that this is dealing with schoolyard fights. If it happens to be in a biker bar, forget all cordialities, grab the hardest object you can, go for the throat, and run like hell.

Fine, I'll just kick 'em in the nads and run like I just kicked a guy in the nads.

That works.

Of course, if you just kicked the guy in the nads, you could probably just walk away leisurely. He'll be occupied with something else at the moment. :teddyr:

Hopefully  :buggedout:

My grandfather taught me how to box (He won the sliver gloves back when he was in the Navy) and I have a heavy bag I workout on. I don't like to fight and only have been in two,that were started by the other person trying to rob me. Even though I know how to fight, fighting dirty like nads kicks and grabbing anything to throw and biting is still a great option.  :wink:

Woo, that's just cool right there. :cheers:

Never make a threat or bluff to scare someone. To initiate a grab onto anyone anywhere is actually a bad move unless your protecting someone else. Once you grab someone you make yourself very vulnerable. Once you place your hands on someone you leave the rest of your body open. You have made your hands busy leaving your body open to attack. The key to self defense is to let the other guy initiate the first move and then you counter it. If you initiate the first move then it's not self defense.

Eyes and groin are good soft spots. If your pinned to the ground there are ways of getting out easy. What we would call "biting" which is done by grabbing the fatty tissue with your whole hand then squeezing and twisting all the surface flesh that is in your hand. This will cause most people to squeal like a pig and get off or let go. The best places to grab flesh are on the side of the ribs, back of thigh, and behind the arm just above the elbow. 

Remember size matters and you can use non-lethal dirty tricks to defend yourself.

To do anything to the throat can damage a persons airway. This isn't a good thing and depending on the situation can get you in much legal trouble. You can cut off someones airway without permanent injury by simply covering their nose and cupping their mouth. If you can do this they will let go, but if they are smart they will try and bite your hand which can lead to other problems, but it may be enough time to get a release.

You can put someone to sleep if you know your chokes. Cutting off the oxygen to the brain by blocking the blood in the artery leading to the brain and as long as you let go immediately when they go limp they will recover. Never try this unless your working under someone trained in this technique.

Remind me never to get in a fight with any of you.  I value my soft spots too much.

I'm certain we could make them even softer. :bouncegiggle:

One of the most sensitive pressure points in the body is located directly behind and beneath the collarbone.  A downward fingertip jab there causes excruciating pain, as does a very sharp jab to the deepest part of the armpit.  A strike with the rigidly held fingertips (yom pon uke or "spear hand" in Japanese) is generally more effective and more painful than a punch.

That is a great one for sure. Pressure points along any of the meridian's are good, but that one under the collarbone is painful.


Once your in the thick of things we would probably forget all the good stuff and resort to simple backyard grappling.  :bouncegiggle:

Fortunately most don't have killer instinct. It takes a while to change ones mindset. It doesn't and shouldn't happen overnight. Just as you don't learn how to apply fighting techniques overnight. Most of us still have a mindset that wants to play by the imaginary rules of good fighting conduct. People don't always recover from real violence. There is something by nature that blocks people psychologically from killing.

The ones mentioned above are rather crude, but effective. The more advance striking and controlling techniques take a longer time to master. It's said that you have to practice each technique 8,000 times before it enters your muscle memory.

Hmmm....sounds kinky.

Did the two of you want to be alone?

 :twirl:

Sick f*ck.  :bluesad: 



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Brilliant.   :bouncegiggle:

Jeez... a guy who calls himself "Conan" grappling at my "soft spots"... can't say it's on my "to do" list.  Though one should always keep an open mind... 

Don't worry it won't be happening.

 :bouncegiggle:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h1avU2b87I