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PETA again ...

Exactly what do they do at a SLAUGHTERHOUSE? Massage and pamper the pigs with a relaxing evening of soft music and aromatherapy right before they slit their throat?

I have no love for PETA and as a big meat eater, I realize that animals must be killed in order to provide us with food, so I am all for slaughterhouses staying open...but I have no respect for anyone who boasts of such needless harm towards an animal or who does such things to a baby animal like that.

Sorry Cheeze, I think you're way off on this one.  PETA can be crazy, no doubt, but I can't understand how anyone could watch the video of the woman chuckling while she catsrated the squealing baby pig and not feel sick to his or her stomach.

I have no problem with using animals for food, products, medical testing, etc. as long as they are treated humanely.  That doesn't mean they need to live a pampered country club lifestyle, but at the very least we owe them protection against people abusing them for their own amusement.     

I didn't get to see the video it wasn't working when I posted this.

I agree animals should NOT be abused, but living on and around farms all my life it is rare the a 'local' was used on castration, they used a nerve clamp with pinched off the nerve and the blood to the testicles then they were cut off.

Other used a sack band which is a really strong, really small rubber band that cuts of blood and nerves and in time the sack and balls just fall off.

Same goes for de-tusking, ringing, tagging, bobbing etc. never was a local used.

I'm not defending these folks but I can tell you farm life is no place for PETA or those with a weak stomach.

Poor little piggies.  You can kill them, but don't torture them first.

There goes your slip of the hip again... CHEEZEE.  This story is disgusting.  Killing animals for food is one thing, but gouging out their eyes, and enjoying castrating them is evil.  Your attitude and Freudian slip shows a less than savory side, CHEEZEE.  I'm glad we have PETA! 

I'm not, it's one thing to insure proper treatment of animals it's another thing to be a fanatical activist and PETA people are fanatical activist.

Enlighten yourself ...
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/ (http://www.petakillsanimals.com/)

You get quite the joy from pointing out my typos don't you? Well I guess we all need a hobby.  :lookingup:

You never heard of a "Freudian slip?"  It does seem to be a pattern where you type one thing but presumably mean another.  No, there's no "joy" in the story, or in my pointing out how I am disappointed in your indifference to animal cruelty.  I know about PETA.  I don't need you to "enlighten" me.  I don't agree with all of their tactics, but if PETA isn't looking out for the animals, who else would be? 

Glad to know you hadn't seen the video first, Cheeze.  I actually guessed that was the case.  

I think everyone agrees that gratuitous abuse of animals is wrong.  PETA, on the other hand, believes that eating any animal, even if it was killed humanely, is morally wrong.  I don't agree with that at all, but I support anyone's right to believe in those principles.  I can support PETA when they limit their activities to stopping legitimate abuse or making unreasonable industry practices more humane, though.  

You didn't enlighten yourself, over 90% of the animals in PETA's care are killed. But I guess they are killed ethically so then it's ok.


BTW, yes I know what a "Freudian Slip" is and it wasn't one, no need to explain it to me, but that's anyway. Do you know what a Oedipus Complex is?  :wink:

The problem with PETA is that they are so extreme that they have little credibility when pointing out a genuine case of cruelty. You read a description of what is done to an animal, and it clearly goes beyond what is necessary for keeping and slaughtering food animals. But you mention PETA, and a lot of people aren't likely to take an accusation of cruelty seriously enough to read the particulars. As with many extremists, they can be their own worst enemy.

There is predation, and there is sadism. It is possible to eat animals and treat them well, and the methods Cheeze mentioned (devices that pinch off the nerves and the blood supply) are relatively humane, and they can be applied with care (and without enjoyment). I genuinely believe that how you treat animals and how you treat people are not so different. If you can take sadistic pleasure in causing an animal to suffer, then you're not that far from doing the same with people.

This is not about slaughtering animals. The distinction here is the degree of pain inflicted and the purpose. It's excessive and unnecessary. And they are having fun doing it. It's one thing to kill a pig for food, it's another to beat it with metal bars and brag about the fact.

PETA is definitely a bunch of whackjobs, but that doesn't mean they can't be right some of the time. If only they'd shut up the rest of the time, they might have some credibility.

CHEEZE, that's the reaction I'd expect, a thinly veiled insult.  Hey, you're the one who wrote the opposite of what you meant after ignoring the horrors of the story, but instead proselytized about PETA.  C'mon, man.  PETA is not the Humane Society nor the ASPCA so they're not about sheltering animals, and like I said, I don't like some of their tactics.  It's debatable the state the animals are in when rescued by PETA from revolting behaviour.  I don't believe they are a secret organization, really named PUTA, hiding their own animal abusing behaviours... 
:lookingup:  :bouncegiggle:

AndyC said it best, and I agree with him 100%.  I'll not vouchsafe for them, but PETA is involved in uncovering horrific crimes and that was what the item was about.  Please understand, I have zero tolerance for animal cruelty.  Peace. 

(Hand up) Guilty ... I see PETA I tend to scan the article more than deep reading.


Yep, we tend to cringe when we put "ball bands" on. I'm not a farmer, per se but I have a small farm, with animals, gardens and the like. I neighbor has 1000's of heads of beef cattle and I often help him in turning bulls into steers. Other neighbor Allhallowsdayhas sheep, hogs and chickens we dock sheep, de-tusk hogs and it's not for fun.
Docking sheep's tail keeps their crap out of their wool. De-tusking hogs keep them from killing each other. Boars will fight and those tusk will kill.


True, but alas they have none. Many many years ago they did, but not any more.   

PETA makes noise about cases such as this because they can ride the publicity and the public outcry.  One more step toward achieving their real agenda:
PETA believes that all animals should be set free, right now. No animals should be 'kept' - enslaved as pets, food, food sources, servants, companions or whatever.
Imagine what would happen to all those domesticated (and zoo) animals, suddenly loose and on their own.  PETA does not care: as long as the animals' fate is 'natural' and there is no human intervention, they'd be happy.
Whack jobs.  Though I suppose it is consistent with putting their 'ethics' above all.  You will notice they do not claim to be interested in animal welfare.  Because they are not.

(So yes: I see "PETA" and I tend to skip the reading.)

Torture and abuse have absolutely no place in any form of animal handling. That is 'moral' and just plain good husbandry.

Oh: and those bands used to castrate (geld) piglets?  They're sold as 'emasculators' here. 

And it's not even a matter of rehabilitation, as you would do with, say, a chimp. Most animals kept on farms and in homes have hundreds and even thousands of years of selective breeding between themselves and any kind of wilderness. They've been shaped by people for where they live and what they do, and a lot of them probably wouldn't survive in the wild even if they were born there. Natural selection didn't create them, so natural selection will probably wipe them out. If my dog had come about naturally, his ancestors would have been eaten by the first sabre-toothed kitty they tried to make friends with. He is not natural, therefore he does not belong in nature.

But crazy people with strong opinions are not easily swayed by facts.

The only thing I have to say about PETA is, "Why aren't they throwing paint on the leather clad Hell's Angels?"

Because they know that doing that would be suicide.  I don't care for PETA myself.  I think it's fine that they just protest and not resort to bombing places like the ELF and ALF do.  Animals should be treated humanely and I always get upset when I hear that an animal was abused on the news or read about it.  Being an animal lover it just upsets me that someone could abuse an animal.

I'm inclined to state that all  'fanaticals' worry me; rather they be religious fanatics, feminist fanatics, or hannah montana fanatics. There is a reason the term 'fanatic' came along...

i dont like peta
i dont belive in animal abuse
but i still like meat
theres my 10 cents

Believe me, there are plenty of people who agree with you.

That's probably the position of about 90% of the population, myself included.

(raises hand) Yeah!