Title: Fox: Jackson Used N-Word In Off-Air Remarks Post by: CheezeFlixz on July 16, 2008, 07:40:34 PM http://cbs2chicago.com/politics/jesse.jackson.nword.2.772975.html (http://cbs2chicago.com/politics/jesse.jackson.nword.2.772975.html)
Quote For decades the Rev. Jesse Jackson has rallied against the use of the N-word -- an ethnic slur he has repeatedly told the American public is hateful and degrading. Why I'm just shocked, shocked I tell you that the Rev'urn Jesse Jax-un would a race card playin' hypocrite. He and Al Sharpton (aka "The Justice Brothers") are two peas in a pod. Title: Re: Fox: Jackson Used N-Word In Off-Air Remarks Post by: Patient7 on July 16, 2008, 09:07:38 PM So should he publicly apologize to himself now or what?
Title: Re: Fox: Jackson Used N-Word In Off-Air Remarks Post by: Torgo on July 16, 2008, 09:14:49 PM (http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/jackson_hypocrite.jpg)
Title: Re: Fox: Jackson Used N-Word In Off-Air Remarks Post by: AndyC on July 16, 2008, 09:48:08 PM Here's a great example of why politically correct language is meaningless. Jackson can apologize up and down for his choice of words, and for his comments about Obama, but he hasn't changed his mind any. This was not like farting in public, just slipping out involuntarily. He consciously said those things, and he meant exactly what he said. There is no reason to believe he thinks any differently now, or that he will not continue to shoot his mouth off behind the scenes. He's chagrined that he got caught, but he's not sorry. I'd have told him to stuff his apology.
Title: Re: Fox: Jackson Used N-Word In Off-Air Remarks Post by: CheezeFlixz on July 16, 2008, 11:19:05 PM The thing is this genius has had more mic's on than Chin's in a Chinese phone book. He should have known the mic could have been 'hot' (on) and to speak accordingly.
AndyC is correct he knew what he said, he meant what he said and he still believes what he said regardless of what he says now. It annoys the hell out of me when these talking heads, pundits, candidates, candidate's wives/husbands say something stupid, get caught and think they can just go "Oops, didn't really mean that!" ... Yes you did or you wouldn't have said it, period. You own your words. I know when I worked for others I had to "take back" something I said on more than one occasion (You're shocked, I know), it didn't mean a thing, it didn't change what I thought and it was just playing the political game of expedience. All it did was make me put the offended person a little higher on my sh!t list. So the Rev'urn Jesse Jax-un thinks he can go diddy-bopping from news channel to news channel doing the "Ooops" dance and get away with it, I think not. He's never had any credibility with me and he never will, he ranks right up there with the Rev. "Big Al" Sharpton. These two trade in hate, they trade in oppression and if they really tried to solve the problems they preach about, they'd be out of business. They're collectively a moron, but not so much of one to work themselves out of a job. Title: Re: Fox: Jackson Used N-Word In Off-Air Remarks Post by: Trevor on July 17, 2008, 03:44:09 AM [url]http://cbs2chicago.com/politics/jesse.jackson.nword.2.772975.html[/url] ([url]http://cbs2chicago.com/politics/jesse.jackson.nword.2.772975.html[/url]) Quote For decades the Rev. Jesse Jackson has rallied against the use of the N-word -- an ethnic slur he has repeatedly told the American public is hateful and degrading. Why I'm just shocked, shocked I tell you that the Rev'urn Jesse Jax-un would a race card playin' hypocrite. He and Al Sharpton (aka "The Justice Brothers") are two peas in a pod. I saw this on SkyNews last week: I didn't like what he said, especially the part about wanting to separate a part of Mr Obama's privates from the rest of him. :buggedout: Title: Re: Fox: Jackson Used N-Word In Off-Air Remarks Post by: indianasmith on July 17, 2008, 08:09:26 AM Again, I think these frequent slips and slurs by Jackson reflect his growing frustration that comes from knowing he is a spent force in American politics. I've never liked Jackson - he was a always such an opportunist, from the day he went on TV with Dr. King's blood soaking his shirt until now. At least Al Sharpton is funny and can be self-deprecating at times. Jackson is just rude and confrontational.
Title: Re: Fox: Jackson Used N-Word In Off-Air Remarks Post by: AndyC on July 17, 2008, 09:28:49 AM These two trade in hate, they trade in oppression and if they really tried to solve the problems they preach about, they'd be out of business. I agree. Deep down, guys like Jackson and Sharpton don't want a black president. It would seriously undermine their power if a black man were elected to the highest office in the land. It might, God forbid, give black kids the idea that their race need not limit what they can achieve if they work hard. And Obama might actually, gasp, do something constructive to enhance race relations. That could put a lot of hardworking demagogues out of a job. Quick, somebody label this guy a sellout before he ruins a good racket! Title: Re: Fox: Jackson Used N-Word In Off-Air Remarks Post by: Sister Grace on July 17, 2008, 10:26:21 AM DISCLAIMER: I, Grace, do hear-by solemnly swear I am not trying to offend anyone with the following post! I am only relegating opinions of my own and a few of Dr. Parker's (University of Tennessee).
OK, this is the kind of thing that p**ses me off, just like feminism. All these women want to be firefighters, but when the building catches on fire; what does she do? she looks at the nearest male firefighter and says 'you need to go in there". (I'm not speaking of all female firefighters, just our locals ones :smile:) Jesse Jackson needs to be put out of his (or maybe more appropriately 'my') misery. Why sink yourself to the lowest of the lows when you've been consistently 'fighting against' these types of behaviours and languages. Next thing you know, he'll be like Mel 'Der Fuhrer' Gibson and go into rehab. If i had to go to rehab for everytime I offended somebody; I'd own lakeside behavioral health systems by now (me offend? shocking, huh?) Anyways, I hate it when someone puts down racism, to only act like a racist. Following is my own experience with racism; which is not uncommon considering the area where I live, Cheezefixz can probably attest to that. Before I changed my major to Criminal Justice, I spent a semester as an English major..whew it was terrible and i really didn't have the passion for it that i thought i did. Anyways, part of my core classes required that I take an Ebonics course. Mind you, this is a university...they should teach you to be smarter, not talk ghetto-etiquitte. Anyways, I was the only 'cracker' in the class (as I was referred to often, yeah, I can hear you even though you were sitting three rows back). Even the Professor, Dr. Parker, was african-american. Although now in retrospect, I think he may be the whitest person i know; even whiter than my dad (or my grandfather who fought in WW2 and it never left him till his death) and that's saying something. Anyways, on the first day of class; Dr. Parker stood up at his podium and said to the class "Do you like being called a n****r?" the student body of course said, "NO" then he said "Do you like being treated like a n****r?" again they said "no". And so he answered like this "Then quit acting like one and furthermore that will be the last time the term 'n****r' is to be used for the duration of this class" I thought he had a lot of bal%^ to say this in front of 50 black students and one 'cracker'. But I thought he made a point when he went on to say 'pull up your pants, quit acting like a gang banger and refer to your ex by his name and not 'my baby daddy'. Let me tell you one thing; I suffered through this class... One day, close to midterms, the girl in the next row asked me 'Grace, do you hate black people?" I said "well, I consider myself a misanthropist, I don't even like white people." I don't think she liked my quip, which I thought was funny, and if i wasn't treated differently before, i was from then on. Ironic how the fight against racism often just results in reverse-racism.... In the long in short of it, I guess my point is: Its ironic to see jackson act this way; it would be just as similar if I saw Dr. Parker down on South Royal in Jackson "Slinging rock and smacking ho's" (Eazy-E late eighties). Title: Re: Fox: Jackson Used N-Word In Off-Air Remarks Post by: Patient7 on July 17, 2008, 04:27:48 PM They're collectively a moron, but not so much of one to work themselves out of a job. I'd hate to see there IQ's when not combined. These two trade in hate, they trade in oppression and if they really tried to solve the problems they preach about, they'd be out of business. I agree. Deep down, guys like Jackson and Sharpton don't want a black president. It would seriously undermine their power if a black man were elected to the highest office in the land. It might, God forbid, give black kids the idea that their race need not limit what they can achieve if they work hard. And Obama might actually, gasp, do something constructive to enhance race relations. That could put a lot of hardworking demagogues out of a job. Quick, somebody label this guy a sellout before he ruins a good racket! YEAH! Title: Re: Fox: Jackson Used N-Word In Off-Air Remarks Post by: CheezeFlixz on July 17, 2008, 05:51:52 PM OK, this is the kind of thing that p**ses me off, just like feminism. All these women want to be firefighters, but when the building catches on fire; what does she do? she looks at the nearest male firefighter and says 'you need to go in there". (I'm not speaking of all female firefighters, just our locals ones Smile) Oh I know a lot of those ... Quote Anyways, I hate it when someone puts down racism, to only act like a racist. Following is my own experience with racism; which is not uncommon considering the area where I live, Cheezefixz can probably attest to that. Yes I can, I see as much black racism as white and as long as there is black and white there will be be racism, it's to deeply ingrained into the culture. To think differently is to fool yourself. Quote Anyways, part of my core classes required that I take an Ebonics course. Mind you, this is a university...they should teach you to be smarter, not talk ghetto-etiquitte. You've got to be joking, Ebonics is not a recognized language. It's as you said ghetto talk which IMHO only lends to make someone sound completely uneducated. Society gave them a made up holiday (Kwanzaa), I for one not going to accept a made up language just because you don't want to learn to speak properly. Ya dig dog, bet dat homey. (That my best ebonics, I don't speak it.) Anyways, I was the only 'cracker' in the class (as I was referred to often, yeah, I can hear you even though you were sitting three rows back). [/quote] I always find it ironic when I'm called a 'cracker' I doubt those that call me or you that even know where the term comes from. It's comes from the sound of a whip; 'crack' and the one who has the whip is a 'cracker'. Slave master use to carry whips, and thus the term, while meant to offend is to call someone 'the master'. So I generally reply "Better to be the cracker than the crackey." Pretty much leaves them baffled. Title: Re: Fox: Jackson Used N-Word In Off-Air Remarks Post by: jdlarch on July 17, 2008, 06:15:50 PM This is supposed to be Humorous Captions. None of this stuff is funny (after the first three posts).
I'm not saying anything anybody says here is wrong or uninteresting. It is a hot topic. But it does not belong here. Please take this discussion elsewhere. Here's my caption: JJ - What did I say? Oh, I meant to say 'nizzle!' And in closing....fashizzle! Title: Re: Fox: Jackson Used N-Word In Off-Air Remarks Post by: indianasmith on July 17, 2008, 06:24:10 PM No, actually, if you look at the top and bottom of the page, wer are in the Off Topic Discussion/Weird News Stories board . . . right where this topic belongs.
Title: Re: Fox: Jackson Used N-Word In Off-Air Remarks Post by: CheezeFlixz on July 17, 2008, 07:11:21 PM This is supposed to be Humorous Captions. None of this stuff is funny (after the first three posts). I'm not saying anything anybody says here is wrong or uninteresting. It is a hot topic. But it does not belong here. Please take this discussion elsewhere. Here's my caption: JJ - What did I say? Oh, I meant to say 'nizzle!' And in closing....fashizzle! Humorous Caption thread can be found here (http://www.badmovies.org/forum/index.php/board,29.0.html) ... If you are having trouble navigating the internet, please place the mouse firmly on the table and step away. Title: Re: Fox: Jackson Used N-Word In Off-Air Remarks Post by: Patient7 on July 17, 2008, 07:17:20 PM I always find it ironic when I'm called a 'cracker' I doubt those that call me or you that even know where the term comes from. It's comes from the sound of a whip; 'crack' and the one who has the whip is a 'cracker'. Slave master use to carry whips, and thus the term, while meant to offend is to call someone 'the master'. So I generally reply "Better to be the cracker than the crackey." Pretty much leaves them baffled. I have a similar perspective on when a person is arrested or denied a job and they blame racism. Although sometimes it is racism it is a good bit of hypocrisy as they are assuming that all white people are racist. Try wrapping THAT one around on them. Title: Re: Fox: Jackson Used N-Word In Off-Air Remarks Post by: trekgeezer on July 17, 2008, 09:44:58 PM Let me get something straight, Jackson and Sharpton's proselytizing has nothing to do with battling racism and everything to do with lining their pockets. These two guys (especially Jackson) have made themselves wealthy by blackmailing large US companies and milking grants from the government.
Jesse is very much afraid of losing his gravy train. There is a great divide happening between the old civil rights crowd from the 60's and young African-Americans. They don't see things the way the older generation does. They are far more in tune with what Obama is saying. He got a lot of applause at the NAACP when he said that he wasn't going back on the remarks he made that caused Jesse's little episode. He's on the personal responsibility band wagon and isn't getting off. I'm wondering why he isn't recruiting Cosby to help him out. Bill got in a stink with Jackson and Sharptons folks when he started writing and publicly speaking out about African-Americans taking responsibility for lifting themselves up. Jesse and Al are afraid of losing the fortune they've made by keeping their own people down. Title: Re: Fox: Jackson Used N-Word In Off-Air Remarks Post by: AndyC on July 17, 2008, 10:09:17 PM I was thinking a bit about Cosby during this discussion as well. The Pound Cake Speech is something else. Cos is the guy the news networks ought to be going to for comment on these issues.
Title: Re: Fox: Jackson Used N-Word In Off-Air Remarks Post by: CheezeFlixz on July 17, 2008, 10:23:05 PM I was thinking a bit about Cosby during this discussion as well. The Pound Cake Speech is something else. Cos is the guy the news networks ought to be going to for comment on these issues. Cosby says what's true and the MSM doesn't want to report that. They prefer to have rebel rouser's like Jackson and Sharpton and Wright and Farrakhan that place blame on anyone but themselves. It's not good media to say 'we need to change our thinking in order to improve', whereas it's great media to say 'It's everyone else fault, but our own." and the squeaky wheel gets the grease or entitlement. This doesn't apply to just the Jackson crowd, this applies to any whiny cry baby, you have to change your ways to appease us crowd. Title: Re: Fox: Jackson Used N-Word In Off-Air Remarks Post by: Sister Grace on July 18, 2008, 07:55:05 AM I was thinking a bit about Cosby during this discussion as well. The Pound Cake Speech is something else. Cos is the guy the news networks ought to be going to for comment on these issues. Cosby says what's true and the MSM doesn't want to report that. They prefer to have rebel rouser's like Jackson and Sharpton and Wright and Farrakhan that place blame on anyone but themselves. It's not good media to say 'we need to change our thinking in order to improve', whereas it's great media to say 'It's everyone else fault, but our own." and the squeaky wheel gets the grease or entitlement. This doesn't apply to just the Jackson crowd, this applies to any whiny cry baby, you have to change your ways to appease us crowd. When it comes to the media, truth never sells well... Title: Re: Fox: Jackson Used N-Word In Off-Air Remarks Post by: AndyC on July 18, 2008, 08:40:43 AM Hey, media guy here. Remember?
Title: Re: Fox: Jackson Used N-Word In Off-Air Remarks Post by: CheezeFlixz on July 18, 2008, 09:15:16 AM Hey, media guy here. Remember? But you're Canadian media so you have amnesty. The US media is so biased, so slanted, so one sided, they don't even try to hide it anymore. Nobama is going to Iraq and all the big 3 networks (ABC, CBS, NBC) media anchors are going with him, meanwhile McCain has gone 8 times and the big 3 didn't even send a summer school apprentice journalist with a handy cam with him. If people can't see just how slanted and one sided they are, and never ever practice objective non bias journalism. Even the AP siad something to the effect that is OK for a journalist to place opinion in a report. NO! That's an opinion and not reporting, give me the facts and I draw my own opinion. Title: Re: Fox: Jackson Used N-Word In Off-Air Remarks Post by: AndyC on July 18, 2008, 09:27:10 AM No problem. I don't care much for the big media outlets myself, and I know lots of guys in the small-town news business who are more interested in making something out of a story than just reporting it. I just don't like the term 'media' tossed around without a qualifier.
Title: Re: Fox: Jackson Used N-Word In Off-Air Remarks Post by: CheezeFlixz on July 18, 2008, 09:33:17 AM No problem. I don't care much for the big media outlets myself, and I know lots of guys in the small-town news business who are more interested in making something out of a story than just reporting it. I just don't like the term 'media' tossed around without a qualifier. A ... I had a qualifier ... "MSM" (Main Stream Media) which is a common name of the Big 3. Title: Re: Fox: Jackson Used N-Word In Off-Air Remarks Post by: jdlarch on July 18, 2008, 05:12:56 PM This is supposed to be Humorous Captions. None of this stuff is funny (after the first three posts). I'm not saying anything anybody says here is wrong or uninteresting. It is a hot topic. But it does not belong here. Please take this discussion elsewhere. Here's my caption: JJ - What did I say? Oh, I meant to say 'nizzle!' And in closing....fashizzle! My apologies to everyone! I navigated to this topic from an email. I thought I was only setup to get emails for changes in the humorous captions forum. I will pay closer attention in the future so I won't go off half-cocked! Title: Re: Fox: Jackson Used N-Word In Off-Air Remarks Post by: RCMerchant on July 18, 2008, 05:36:15 PM I have one thing to say about the word n****r (yes...I sed it.) When I was in jail...blacks AND whites used it indiscriminitly. n****r this and n****r that. I didn't,because I thought it was dumb. But it it was a part of jail house terminology,I guess. It's all PC Bulls**t blown out off proportion by polititions to advance there means. And A cheap bullsh!t shot as well. I don't give a flying f%ck about a man'n's lingo...show me his WORK.
Title: Re: Fox: Jackson Used N-Word In Off-Air Remarks Post by: CheezeFlixz on July 18, 2008, 05:51:53 PM I have one thing to say about the word n****r (yes...I sed it.) When I was in jail...blacks AND whites used it indiscriminitly. n****r this and n****r that. I didn't,because I thought it was dumb. But it it was a part of jail house terminology,I guess. It's all PC Bulls**t blown out off proportion by polititions to advance there means. And A cheap bullsh!t shot as well. I don't give a flying f%ck about a man'n's lingo...show me his WORK. You should be getting a visit from the Rev'urn Jesse Jax'un with Big Al in tow in day now ... I pity the fool. Title: Re: Fox: Jackson Used N-Word In Off-Air Remarks Post by: Patient7 on July 19, 2008, 12:36:00 AM I just thought to myself, who are Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton to say what's right or wrong. By basically forcing people to apologize for saying this n-word they are constricting our right to free speech. So we can arrest Reverand Jackson for treason. :toungeout:
My respect to Bela by the way for saying a word that some a$$hole labeled as taboo. Title: Re: Fox: Jackson Used N-Word In Off-Air Remarks Post by: AndyC on July 19, 2008, 09:14:47 AM That's what gets me. Pretty much any other forbidden word can be acceptable under at least some circumstances. I've heard academics on the radio, talking about racism specifically, who nervously skirted around the word 'n****r' when it was the topic they were discussing. Or falling all over themselves apologizing if they couldn't avoid actually saying it once. There was no doubt that these guys (can't remember if they were sociologists, historians or what) thought the word was bad. There was no question in my mind that their goal was purely to analyze and enlighten. Still, these academics seemed to think just saying the word, without any bad intentions or personal feelings of any kind, was wrong in and of itself, even if they had one of the few entirely justifiable reasons for saying it.
It wasn't just being on radio either. They played an excerpt of a lecture that featured the same song and dance. That is political correctness out of control, when academics are afraid to speak a word they are completely justified in saying. Title: Re: Fox: Jackson Used N-Word In Off-Air Remarks Post by: CheezeFlixz on July 19, 2008, 09:27:03 AM I've seen several news shows on this topic and not one of them BLEEPED the word ... HONKY, CRACKER, SNOWFLAKE, WHITEY, WASP or even terms used to define other races like SPIC, WHOP, KITE, WETBACK, CHINK, etc .... only the slang ethnic words used by and against blacks where bleeped. I forget which show I was watching and they used several slur word on blacks, n****r, COON, PORCH MONKEY, TAR BABY all totally in context of the subject as they had address other racist slur on other races beforehand and every black slur was bleeped, you had to read their lips and not one single slur on any other racial group was bleeped and the panel of people were from all races openly and civilly talking about the race slurs ... no one was angry or mad, unlike the so called ladies on the THE VIEW.
This kid glove, political patty cakes over words has got to stop ... if you don't like a word and don't want to be called a word then don't use the word. Blacks that keep the word, n****r alive are never going to get that in order to kill a word you have to stop using it. This crap with this group can use this word and this group can't is nothing but pure garbage. Title: Re: Fox: Jackson Used N-Word In Off-Air Remarks Post by: indianasmith on July 19, 2008, 10:19:12 AM I teach history at both the high school and college level. Of course when you teach 19th century history, the word is unavoidable. I will occasionally use it in the context of a historical quote - of course, I throw in a disclaimer in advance, basically saying that if you deny the past, you are condemned to repeat it. I've still had a couple of students complain, but both were satisfied with my explanation of why I found it necessary to quote the word in its historical context.
Still, I'm just waiting for some firebrand activist to try and get me fired over it. Title: Re: Fox: Jackson Used N-Word In Off-Air Remarks Post by: AndyC on July 19, 2008, 12:01:08 PM My feeling has always been that people should worry less about the regular folks who might mistakenly use an offensive word, and more about the full-blown bigots who hide it under careful terminology.
For that matter, the politically correct people, in my mind, are more racist than the people who just say what they want to say. If you're worried about offending someone who is different from you, that means you are focusing on the difference. If you are concerned with what someone wants to be called, it means that no matter what idealistic speeches you might make about us all being the same, you can't interact normally with someone who is different. |