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Title: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: KYGOTC on July 17, 2008, 05:27:33 PM
Oh my goodness. How pumped are you guys for this movie? I'll admit, big budget stuff usually isnt my style, (hence me being on this forum) but I do love me some BATMAN. Not to mention its gonna have my 2 of my 4 favorite Batman villians in it: The Joker and Two-Face!

Im seeing it tonight at midnight all dressed up in my Joker duds, and then i get to wake up at 7:30 to go to work. Oh, joy.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Torgo on July 17, 2008, 06:19:14 PM
I'm extremely psyched for this flick.  Batman is my favorite superhero (or crimefighter depending on your POV) of all time and it's great that he's FINALLY getting films done that truly do the Batman legend justice.

I liked the 1st 2 Tim Burton movies, but in hindsight, they now feel too much like Tim Burton movies intead of true Batman movies (did that make sense?  :wink:).  They're fun to watch, but with Batman Begins the batman film saga has truly begun.

I'm seeing The Dark Knight at midnight tonight with some friends and then again on Saturday with some other people so I'll have thoughts by Friday on it.   


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Scott on July 17, 2008, 07:29:35 PM
This sounds like it's going to be the very best Batman yet. I'm here in Roanoke, Va tonight and if I can find an IMAX on the trip I may just watch it this weekend.  :thumbup:  :thumbup:


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Torgo on July 17, 2008, 07:34:30 PM
This sounds like it's going to be the very best Batman yet. I'm here in Roanoke, Va tonight and if I can find an IMAX on the trip I may just watch it this weekend.  :thumbup:  :thumbup:

Hey, I live in Roanoke, VA!   :thumbup:


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: trekgeezer on July 17, 2008, 09:06:44 PM
Been waiting on this for three years.  My brother (oldarky) and I are headed out in the morning to catch the 9:15 show at the new Imax in Little Rock (we finally got one that shows theatrical movies).

From the reviews I've read this movie really bends the comic movie genre.   


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: dean on July 18, 2008, 04:15:31 AM
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Saw it last night and it's fantastic.  It has it's flaws like every movie but any flaws are completely overshadowed by the amazing portayal of the Joker by the Late Heath Ledger.  He's very much the character I know and love in the comics, and then somebody came up and amped him full of more crazy.

It is by far one of the most memorable performances I've seen in recent years.

Most of the cast do well, Dent is great and so is Gary Oldman as Gordon.

My only complaint is that Batman as a character didn't seem to flesh out enough: he seemd flat, two dimensional and somewhat uninspiring.  But that could very well be in comparison to his more flamboyant out there other half.

I'm thinking of going to see it again at IMAX since I've never been and this seems like a great first IMAX movie.

My brain is still Batgasming. 

Now another long wait for the next one.  Bastards...


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Jordan on July 18, 2008, 04:19:29 AM
THIS MOVIE WAS INCREDIBLE! It definitely lived up to its hype! Heath Ledger's Joker is maniacal, creepy, and unpredictable and damn..... this movie is just so good... I wanna see it again. The only problem I had with the film? Maggie Gylenhal (sp?). She is so god awfully unattractive that I literally looked away from the screen during her closeups. (Perhaps at one time she was a good-lookin' gal. Now she just looks like a flesh-eating ghoul.  :buggedout: ) Despite the inclusion of the (apparently real) corpse bride (sorry Maggie) the movie is a joy to watch and it really delivers the goods. Go see it!  :teddyr:

Oh and there's a trailer for "Watchmen" before "The Dark Knight" begins. It looks amazing!


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: asimpson2006 on July 18, 2008, 06:48:16 AM
I pretty amped up myself in wanting to see this film.  It's been many years since I've seen anything on IMAX (The last time I saw something on an IMAX screen was in Pittsburgh 7 years ago).  We have an IMAX theater in Harrisburg PA so I may have to make a trip over there next week or the following week to see it.

EDIT:

I think I will wait some more before I see it.  I see my plastic surgeon next Friday and I'm not one of the best people to be around after I pay him a visit.  Saturday I plan on getting wasted so I know I won't go see it.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: AnubisVonMojo on July 18, 2008, 07:18:06 AM
I'm putting off seeing this until the crowds cool off a little. I'm not willing to struggle through an NYC heat wave in the scant hopes that I might find a showing not already sold out. Question for the lucky ones who have already seen it though: is there less shaky-cam this time around?


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: KYGOTC on July 18, 2008, 08:16:38 AM
I'm putting off seeing this until the crowds cool off a little. I'm not willing to struggle through an NYC heat wave in the scant hopes that I might find a showing not already sold out. Question for the lucky ones who have already seen it though: is there less shaky-cam this time around?

Nope!


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: AnubisVonMojo on July 18, 2008, 08:39:48 AM
Oh man, you mean there's just as much shaky-cam?! Cthulhu almighty I f*cking hate shaky-cam...


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Patient7 on July 18, 2008, 11:05:20 AM
I'm supposedly going to see it next weekend but I'm not 100% sure on that.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Torgo on July 18, 2008, 02:31:23 PM
Oh man, you mean there's just as much shaky-cam?! Cthulhu almighty I f*cking hate shaky-cam...

IMO opinion it's not nearly as bad as the shaky cam in Batman Begins.   You get longer looks at the fights in this one.

BTW, I give it **** out of ****. 

I seriously doubt that there will be a better movie coming out this year. GO SEE IT!  Heath Ledger's take on The Joker is the stuff that cinematic legends are made of.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: trekgeezer on July 18, 2008, 02:35:49 PM
If you didn't already know it was Heath Ledger, you would never guess it was him.  Echart does a great job as Harvey Dent  (I can't wait for the DVD to see how the hell they pulled off  the Two Face look).

I am going to depart from all the Batman detractors, Bale does a great job as the conflicted Dark Knight and is anything but flat.

I also am expecting to hear the griping about the shaky cam and Nolan doesn't know how to do action scenes. I can see what he's going for with the up close action, it puts you in the middle of the chaos which I find much more exciting than the standard wide shots.

All I've got to say is Holy Oscar Nod Batman!!  This is probably going to be the best film of the year and deserves some award talk and not just for Heath Ledger. Chris Nolan deserve some credit for the great job resurrecting the Batman franchise.

Can't really say much without spoiling something.  


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: AnubisVonMojo on July 18, 2008, 04:14:37 PM
I also am expecting to hear the griping about the shaky cam and Nolan doesn't know how to do action scenes. I can see what he's going for with the up close action, it puts you in the middle of the chaos which I find much more exciting than the standard wide shots.

I was just discussing the shaky-cam topic with my fiancee earlier today. The only time I feel it's appropriate is when being done in a context where the director wants to disorient their audience, like in a Blair Witch scenario where you don't get to see everything going on and that helps to spook the viewers. Fight scenes are not meant to be disorienting, they're meant to be well choreographed and exciting to watch, not confusing. Shaky-cam in a fight scene makes me think that either the studio cheaped out on getting a quality stunt crew or the director's just using a cheap gimmick like "bullet time" to try and woo the audience with visual "flare". Not every fight scene can be a Jackie Chan-esque ballet, but throwing the camera around and calling it "action packed" just p**ses me off.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: odinn7 on July 18, 2008, 04:16:49 PM
The film was awesome...

I have to agree with Kirok about Bale....he does a fantastic job playing Batman...a perfect choice if you ask me.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: HappyGilmore on July 18, 2008, 08:21:43 PM
I was hoping to see this Tuesday, as that was my day off from work.  But I was informed that I do have work.  Yay.  So now I gotta wait til the 26th.

But it looks awesome.  Shame Ledger died before it came out.  I did make my MySpace background Heath's Joker though.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Zapranoth on July 18, 2008, 11:40:03 PM
We just saw the film. ...  Outstanding.

Ledger nailed, just nailed, the Joker. 

:(


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: indianasmith on July 18, 2008, 11:48:08 PM
My wife and i went to see this one tonight, and it was INCREDIBLE!!

Ledger radiates pure evil as the Joker.  I don't know that I have ever seen such a convincing villain in any film, or one as disturbing.  I can see how that role killed him, frankly.  The emotional impact of having to become such a pure psychopath for any movie must have been considerable, and it's no wonder he had trouble sleeping afterward.  The man truly sacrificed himself for his art.

My biggest - well, my only real disappointment in the film was the girl who played Rachel.  I know she was chosen for her physical resemblance to Katie Holmes, but frankly, she looked like Katie might if she had been on heroin for a couple of years.  Not an attractive look at all.

Eckhart was brilliant as Harvey Dent, and Michael Caine and Aaron Eckhart were great in their roles too.  What a film! I can't wait to see the next installment in this franchise.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Jordan on July 19, 2008, 08:08:02 AM
I'm curious to see where they go with the series now. Since they didn't really introduce or hint at a new villain, anything can happen. I wonder what Batman baddie they'll use next.... hmmm.....

IndianaSmith.... thank God I'm not the only guy on the planet that thought Maggie Gyllenhall  was hideous in the film. She is clearly a better actress than Katie Holmes, but on the flipside, Katie is definitely better looking... at least in my opinion.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Mr. DS on July 19, 2008, 02:19:34 PM
I just saw it and it was a fun watch.  Heath Ledger shines with sadistic delight as The Joker.  He truly captures the anarchist nature of the character and his dangerously unpredictable ways.  It truly says something for an actor to disappear into his role and Ledger did that nicely.  Thanks Heath, your memory lives on in this film. 

The film kind of wastes too much time on Harvey and Rachel IMHO. Two-Face ends up kind of being excess baggage in the plot line.  I'm with the anti Gyllenhall replacement camp, there is something odd looking about her.  That and the shaky camera thing which Anubis mentioned. 

Overall its a good film, easily one of the best of the summer.  Perhaps now we can do Bane justice in the next sequel. 


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Pilgermann on July 19, 2008, 02:57:49 PM
I got to watch it a few days ago and I really liked it.  There are aspects that I didn't care for, but I won't go much into those since it's a great experience overall.  Ledger is amazing as the Joker.  The way the character was written and the way he performed him is perfect.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Jim H on July 19, 2008, 05:50:40 PM
Just saw it.  Very, very good.  It's an improvement in nearly every way over Batman Begins, which I feel is a good film, but not much beyond that.

Oh yes, and there is WAAAAAY less shakey-cam in this than in the first.  They still use close pretty tight shots in the fight scenes, and some of it is handheld, but it is shot much better.  In general, you can actually tell what is going on, and the fight scenes are much better for it.

I can't disagree that Ledger was excellent.  His character was very well written, and works marvelously.  I particularly like how they actually get into that his goons are lunatics - which is something of a stickler in the comics (as an aside, from most reports the best Batman villain to work for is the Penguin).  The film almost totally had me until towards the end.  I feel the stuff with Two Face was a bit too quickly put up into the film.  It's somewhat akin to Venom in Spider-Man 3, though not nearly as bad.  Still, overall, a very good film.

My rating is a 9/10.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Doc Daneeka on July 19, 2008, 08:48:31 PM
I feel the stuff with Two Face was a bit too quickly put up into the film.  It's somewhat akin to Venom in Spider-Man 3, though not nearly as bad.  Still, overall, a very good film.

What about The Scarecrow? From my memory he was gone pretty quick in the first movie, he is he present any more in this one?

I haven't seen the film yet but I hear very, very good things. The old cliche was that all comic book movies sucked, but that seems to have changed monumentally within 1 year. Right now The Dark Knight is #1 on the IMDB's top 250 :buggedout: , effectively "whacking" The Godfather by 4 points :bouncegiggle: http://www.imdb.com/chart/top?tt0468569 (http://www.imdb.com/chart/top?tt0468569)


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: sideorderofninjas on July 19, 2008, 10:58:04 PM
Batman Begins had so many things like the origin and training it had to introduce.  Dark Knight had already most of the back story introduced previously so it can go straight to the story.  And what a story...

Think just having Dent become Two-Face by the end to use him as the villain for the 3rd movie would have seemed to make more sense like how Batman Begins just gave us the hint of the Joker. 

This Batman movie has found the one thing that all the others never had but always needed...Zeus from Hulk Hogan's masterpiece No Holds BArred: Tiny Lister...


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Jordan on July 20, 2008, 01:17:03 AM
"The Dark Knight" is racking up some impressive victories thus far:
  • Currently NUMBER ONE on IMDB's top #250 Movies List!
  • Debuted on more screens than "Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End" on opening day.
  • Holds the current record for most pre-sold tickets; a record formerly held by "Spider-Man 3."
  • Midnight debut of "Dark Knight" ($18.9 million) beat out "Star Wars Episode III" by 1.6 million dollars!
  • First day total of $66.4 million beats out the opening day total of "Spider-Man 3." "Dark Knight" could go all the way and beat out Spidey 3's first weekend take of $151 million!

Here's hoping for "HIGHEST GROSSING MOVIE OF ALL TIME," a title still held by James Cameron's "Titanic."  :hatred: C'mon gang, go see this movie so that Batman can rule supreme over a sinking love boat!


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: KYGOTC on July 20, 2008, 01:30:17 AM
Alrighy, heres my 2 cents:

AWESOME batman movie. Two-Face was awesome. Best two-face yet. Joker, great, couldve laughed more often, but still good. Didnt NAIL it, but good. And why was he chewing on something the whole time? that got on my nerves.


Anyway, i saw it opening night. I was the only dude dressed up for the affair save 3 little kids with joker make-up on. I got up to take a leak before the show started and I ended up getting pictures taken with maybe 15 different people. It ruled. My big complaint was that the story was a little hard to follow. Alot of different thinges were going on at once. it left me a lilttle confused.


SPOILER!!!!





Horraay for Batmans love intrest being DEAD! Batman doesnt need a doddamn love intrest! HES BATMAN! But unfortunatly, this probobly means that catwoman will be in the next one to replace rachel. Lame.





END SPOILERS!!!!!




I think this should be the last movie in the franchise, because from where I see it, it can only go downhill from here.
IF they do make another one, the villian should either be

*MR FREEZE (played by Patrick Stewert?)

or BANE.


And howabout that WATCHMEN trailer? WAY COOL!

And howabout that SPIRIT trailer? SUPER LAME!

and heres a pic of my duds before I went to the show:
(http://a286.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/32/l_91ed0bc0ba9e9cb9de3ed923ccda322d.jpg)



Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Jordan on July 20, 2008, 11:17:51 AM
Two things KYGOTC:
1. I don't think Joker was chewing anything during the film, but he was licking his upper lip super frequently. Sort of a strange tick that ole Joker probably developed after "his smile was widened" if you catch my drift.  :twirl:  :wink:

2. Your Joker outfit is friggin' amazing! Good job man. I can see why people took pictures with you. My only question is this: Why is that dude in the bottom left hand corner of the photo groping for your nuts?

As for your comments on the film, I'm totally with you on Two Face. (WAY better than Tommy Lee Jones in my opinion.) I'm looking forward to picking up "Dark Knight" on DVD (probably around Christmas is my guess for a DVD/Blu-Ray debut) because I really want to see how they did Aaron Eckhart's makeup. I figure that CGI was used to enhance things, but damn it looked so cool; I wanna know how they did it!!! I'm also with you on the whole love interest angle.

However, I think you should give the movie a second go; that way you can clear up any confusion you had with the plot and study Heath ledger's actions a bit more closely. You're obviously a big fan of the Joker, so I can see why you don't think that Heath Ledger nailed the role entirely, but truthfully, I don't think anyone is ever going to come closer. Plus going to see it again will help the film break more box office records and shove the mighty "Titanic" out of its position as top grossing film of all time.  :wink:

I think "Bane" would be cool if a third Batman film is made (with all the hype and resulting ticket sales, how could they not want to do a third?), especially if he barges into Wayne Manor and breaks Batman's back. Heck, I think a (non-Jim Carrey) Riddler would be cool for the third installment. And if Catwoman is involved, it best not be Halle Berry. I'll boycott the film right off the bat (pun intended) if that happens! Personally, I'd like to see Killer Croc cause some carnage on the big screen.

The "Watchmen" trailer looked amazing (its over at Apple.com/trailers now); "The Spirit" struck me as being a sort of "Sin City" meets "The Green Hornet." Though I'm annoyed that Samuel L. Jackson is in it (God, what movie ISN'T he in these days?) as a black Nazi Russian with dual big-ass machine guns, I may give it a go when it comes out.

Well, I'm off to see "Dark Knight" again. Later guys and ghouls!


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Jim H on July 20, 2008, 06:35:50 PM
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IF they do make another one, the villian should either be

*MR FREEZE (played by Patrick Stewert?)

or BANE.

Nolan said the Penguin was "too silly" to be a villain for his Batman universe, so I don't know how they could really pull off Mr. Freeze.  Bane maybe, if they toned him down a notch.  Croc could be a secondary villain, as I don't think he'd work as the primary. 

Oh, and on a small note, the Scarecrow does have a presence in The Dark Knight, but it's a minor one.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Mr. DS on July 20, 2008, 08:04:20 PM
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[url]http://I[/url] think "Bane" would be cool if a third Batman film is made (with all the hype and resulting ticket sales, how could they not want to do a third?), especially if he barges into Wayne Manor and breaks Batman's back
Bane's story is awesome (especially the events leading up to Batman's fall) and I hope they utilize him because he is a cold and calculating foe.  Also obviously very powerful.  In a way I'm with KYGOTC about the series going downhill but I have high hopes they'll do the right thing and keep it dark.  With the exception of Bane's story, I'd say the best shot of keeping the series from tanking is do one villain at a time.  Thats partially why I was a little disappointed with the Two Face character in this movie.  That and the little time given to him. 


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: KYGOTC on July 20, 2008, 08:37:08 PM
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[url]http://I[/url] think "Bane" would be cool if a third Batman film is made (with all the hype and resulting ticket sales, how could they not want to do a third?), especially if he barges into Wayne Manor and breaks Batman's back
Bane's story is awesome (especially the events leading up to Batman's fall) and I hope they utilize him because he is a cold and calculating foe.  Also obviously very powerful.  In a way I'm with KYGOTC about the series going downhill but I have high hopes they'll do the right thing and keep it dark.  With the exception of Bane's story, I'd say the best shot of keeping the series from tanking is do one villain at a time.  Thats partially why I was a little disappointed with the Two Face character in this movie.  That and the little time given to him. 


Yea, I hear people sayin' "Two- Face issnt dead! He'll be back!" Personally, i think he's pushin' up daisies (or should I say, TWOlips? heheheh) but if he comes back, i'll be happy to say I was wrong as Two-Face is my favorite Batman villian of all time.

HOWEVER, if they DONT use two-face, I think Bane would be the best way to go. Anyone who does'nt know who Bane is, go read "KNIGHTFALL"  which was Banes dabue. Bane would be great because he has 2 elements that most villians usulay have one or the other: INTELLIGENCE and BRUTE STRENGTH.

His goal is to push the limits of Batman. To see what it takes to break him. Exaust him. Deprive him of sleep and food. Keep him busy. And eventually, DESTROY him. That would make for a GREAT film addaptation.

So forget Catwoman and Poison Ivy.
Forget Riddler and Hush.

What we need now is the BANE of Batman.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f8/Bane-breaks-Batman-497pg21.png)


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: dean on July 21, 2008, 06:00:52 AM

Don't know enough about Bane, but he sounds kind of cool.

Personally though I think that Hush would be the best choice: He's somebody they haven't used yet in the films so relatively unknown, and he brings a personal side to the whole Bruce Wayne as Batman thing.

Thematically I think it suits: every bad guy so far apart from Scarecrow [who was really secondary in Begins anyways] has had some sort of personal connection with Batman/Bruce Wayne in some way: Ra's Al Ghul helped Bruce become Batman, Two-Face was the man touted to replace Batman and Bruce was keen on the ideals he lived as Dent and the Joker was Batman's Shadow self, other ['you can't kill me and I can't kill you: we're both linked etc']

Hush is the bad guy who knew Batman before he went on that path [as far as I know] and there's some personal interesting plot points that you can create quite easily there.

Nolan seems the type to go that way at least.  Kind of like how they made Doc Ock a 'nice guy' in the start and end: Comic book tales seem to always work better on the big screen when the relationships are more than two-dimensional.

*Vague spoiler alert as if you haven't seen this already*

As for Two Face, well if you were to stick with the 'Batman never kills' mythos, then yes I reckon he's still alive, though I don't think it's suitable for no.3, maybe a brief glimpse and build him into no.4 but they have an out: they mourned him as the 'white knight' but he survives as Two Face.  There's too much there to exploit plot-wise to rub him out permanently.  Doesn't make good business sense.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Mr. DS on July 21, 2008, 06:46:55 AM
Just a question on Batman.  Does anyone find the voice Bale uses as Batman (especially the yelling) kind of annoying and almost funny?  Granted he seems to play Bruce Wayne perfect. 


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: HappyGilmore on July 21, 2008, 08:39:31 AM
I would still like to see Penguin in a new Bat-flick. 

I'm hoping to see Dark Knight next weekend.

Just a question on Batman.  Does anyone find the voice Bale uses as Batman (especially the yelling) kind of annoying and almost funny?  Granted he seems to play Bruce Wayne perfect. 
I know a few people who don't like that. 



Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Mr_Vindictive on July 21, 2008, 03:31:56 PM
Just got back from seeing the film.  Warning: SPOILERS ABOUND!

*****SPOILERS*****

Ok, the film was better than I could have even remotely imagined it would have been.  From the first shot of the film, over looking Gotham, I was drawn in.  The film seemed to me to be much too short, despite it's two and a half hour runtime. 

Am I the only one that was tearing up a bit at Rachel's demise?  Am I the only one who was tearing up at Gordon's apparent death?  Then when Dent tells Gordon where to find him..."The place where my family died."....  So freakin perfect.

What can be said about the Joker that hasn't already been said!?  Ledger puts in the performance of a lifetime here.  Honestly, he hits the nail on the head with his portrayal of The Joker.  His recklessness permeated every single scene he was in.  You have no idea just what he is capable of next, what his next step is and Nolan makes the viewer feel that.  The film is in itself reckless, I actually found myself nervous at waiting for the next piece of the puzzle to fall.

Another thing I loved about the film was that it just assumed you had seen Batman Begins and knew what was going on at it's start.  Not only that, it doesn't feel the need to dumb anything down for you.  It assumes you are smart enough to keep up with the various plotlines and it doesn't hold back.  I watched Batman Begins on HD-DVD last night for the first time in about a year or so.  I'm glad I did as I was completely back up to speed once the film began. 

Was anyone else excited about seeing The Scarecrow within the first half hour of the film?  I was even more excited to see that yes it was Cillian Murphy underneath the mask again.  Not only that, but talk about some serious a-grade and b-grade talent in the flick.  Eric Roberts, and Anthony Michael Hall!?!?!?  How great was it to see them on screen again!?  Then on the good side, you have Ledger, Bale and Eckhart doing their thing.

Eckhart was another thing to love about the film.  His version of Harvey Dent was spot-on.  This is the Dent I wanted to see, a good character with good intentions but who is driven to the brink by terrible circumstances.  I have to say that the CG work on Dent's face is some of the best I have ever seen.  I hope we haven't seen the last of the character.

Overall this film was a perfect experience.  Everything here is top notch.  I loved, loved, loved, loved, loved it.  If Ledger doesn't at least get an Oscar nod this year, then I will be seriously p**sed.




*****End Spoilers*****


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Jim H on July 22, 2008, 03:16:28 PM
Nolan has said he doesn't want to do a villain for the third one that has been on screen before.  Meaning Bane is out, as his ridiculously simplified and tiny role in Batman and Robin would nullify him as a potential choice.  Too bad.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: dean on July 23, 2008, 03:41:59 AM
Nolan has said he doesn't want to do a villain for the third one that has been on screen before.  Meaning Bane is out, as his ridiculously simplified and tiny role in Batman and Robin would nullify him as a potential choice.  Too bad.

Personally I'd say that his role doesn't count since he was essentially a flunky at best, and it took me a moment to actually remember he was in the film in the first place...


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: KYGOTC on July 23, 2008, 02:29:35 PM
Nolan has said he doesn't want to do a villain for the third one that has been on screen before.  Meaning Bane is out, as his ridiculously simplified and tiny role in Batman and Robin would nullify him as a potential choice.  Too bad.

Personally I'd say that his role doesn't count since he was essentially a flunky at best, and it took me a moment to actually remember he was in the film in the first place...

Yea. And if Nolan is SMART, he'll realize that because THAT Bane was soooo bottom-of the-Barrel BAD, that it would be so EASY to improve on the cheracter. Dig?


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Ash on July 24, 2008, 01:47:58 AM
Saw this last night and was very impressed.   :thumbup:
It's WAY better than Batman Begins which I thought was just ok.

I found myself looking forward to every scene with the Joker and Ledger definitely didn't disappoint.
I kept trying to visualize him without the makeup but he was so good, I wasn't able to.
While watching his performance I also kept thinking, "I can't believe he's actually dead".

The best scene in the movie was when the Joker said, "I'm gonna make this pencil disappear" and slammed that guy's head down on it.
Everyone in the theater yelled, "OHHHHH!!!!" including me.   :smile: 

The only thing I didn't like was the way the batsuit made Wayne's face look round.  It curved around down his cheeks and chin and kind of made him look a bit silly.

I get why some of you think Maggie Gyllenhall looks ugly.  It's her nose.
Personally, I find her very attractive.  Her beautiful eyes and soft sensual voice were quite nice.  But her nose does seem a little "off".

It was Ledger who made this movie great.  TDK would've sucked had it not been for his tour de force performance.
He definitely deserves a posthumous Oscar for his fantastic portrayal of the Joker.

I'd rate this film 3.5 out of 4 stars.   :thumbup:


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Scott on July 26, 2008, 12:12:46 AM
This sounds like it's going to be the very best Batman yet. I'm here in Roanoke, Va tonight and if I can find an IMAX on the trip I may just watch it this weekend.  :thumbup:  :thumbup:


Hey, I live in Roanoke, VA!   :thumbup:


Beautiful city in the midst of the Appalachain mountains. Great downtown and St. Andrews Church is quite prominent along with the Wachovia building and the new art building.

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/221/490267363_161148239c.jpg?v=0)

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/217/489133780_11478080f7.jpg?v=0)

By the way DARK KNIGHT was pretty good also.  :smile:


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Psycho Circus on July 26, 2008, 09:08:35 PM
I haven't seen this yet, it is constantly sold out at my nearest cinema! I've read all you guys spoilers tho', I had to.
I think if they do make another they should go with Clayface, who they have never used or Doomsday who appeared in that Batman v Superman story. Please no Riddler or Catwoman!!!! Definately No Catwoman!!!

No Robin either, god, that would just kill this franchise again. He's such a stupid character and would take away the depth and darkness that has been built up by these last two films now.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Patient7 on July 27, 2008, 12:34:33 AM
I just saw it in Imax, astounding!  How they did Two Face I cannot imagine but I'm definitely going to get this on DVD.  I also love the disappearing pencil trick.  :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Psycho Circus on July 27, 2008, 05:36:53 AM

I get why some of you think Maggie Gyllenhall looks ugly.  It's her nose.
Personally, I find her very attractive.  Her beautiful eyes and soft sensual voice were quite nice.  But her nose does seem a little "off".

I agree, I think Maggie looks alright, but I think that she and Katie Holmes were mis-cast. I thought Katie Holmes didn't fit in Batman Begins. Bruce Wayne could do alot better seeing as he's a bajillionaire!


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Saucerman on July 27, 2008, 07:37:59 AM
I finally got a chance to see it last night with my girlfriend.  The whole drive home from the theater we debated whether Harvey Dent/Two Face is dead or not.  I'm of the opinion he is, she's of the opinion that we'll see more of him.  I thought his burned face was a little overdone -- the visible bit of mandible behind his cheek was a little much for me. 

I gotta say, I'm a little disappointed that the Penguin is "too silly" for Nolan's Batverse; after the Scarecrow, the Penguin's my favorite villain. 

I've heard rumors that the Riddler is next in line; hopefully based on more recent portrayals of him in the comics, and not so much the Jim Carrey/Frank Gorshin version.  A severely obsessive-compulsive villain who is forced by his own psychosis to leave clues for the police -- They could even play it up as a Jack the Ripper sort of thing -- ol' Jack sent taunting letters to the London police, challenging them to catch him. 

The Batsuit is getting a little too spacey and futuristic for my tastes, and I'm kinda glad they blew up the Batmobile -- maybe now he can get something that won't be traced back to Lucius Fox. 

I was really glad to see "Bad Cop" Batman in the interrogation room.  That's always been my view of Batman -- he's the baddest of bad cops. 

And I still believe in Harvey Dent.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Patient7 on July 27, 2008, 09:42:40 AM
I gotta say, I'm a little disappointed that the Penguin is "too silly" for Nolan's Batverse; after the Scarecrow, the Penguin's my favorite villain. 

I've heard rumors that the Riddler is next in line; hopefully based on more recent portrayals of him in the comics, and not so much the Jim Carrey/Frank Gorshin version.  A severely obsessive-compulsive villain who is forced by his own psychosis to leave clues for the police -- They could even play it up as a Jack the Ripper sort of thing -- ol' Jack sent taunting letters to the London police, challenging them to catch him. 

I have to agree with you on both of these, any kind of Batman villian can seem like a good villian if he's/she's casted well and has proper characterization.  I would like to see a Riddler so long as they don't follow the molds.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: HappyGilmore on July 28, 2008, 08:41:09 AM
Dark Knight was an amazing movie.  I'd never been so excited to see a movie on the big screen.  Joker's my favorite villain, even though I'm more a Marvel Comics fan than DC.  Although, I feel Batman's got probably the best rogue's gallery out there.

If Harvey Two-Face is dead, which I don't feel he is, he'd be perfect for the next.  Although, if not, I'd like to see Riddler or Penguin.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: akiratubo on August 02, 2008, 01:50:11 AM
The Dark Knight is a big step up from Batman Begins.  Heath was good as The Joker, though his makeup didn't do much for me.  The way Two-Face was worked into the movie actually made sense.  Nolan did a much better job of directing this time around.

However, I'm finally going to come out and say it: I think Bale is a TERRIBLE Batman.  He's all right as Bruce Wayne but his facial expressions and "Batman voice" are horrible.  Also, the way Nolan writes Batman, he's an idiot.  Like, blowing up cars that might have had people in them, racing his Batcycle through a building with civilians in it, or beating up the SWAT cops instead of, I dunno, radioing Gordon to tell him the hostages were the clowns.

The Dark Knight was fine as long as it was The Joker or Two-Face but it fell apart whenever Batman showed up.  The chase scene in the tunnel is a good example: it was probably the best part of the movie but when Batman showed up it just went all to hell.  That's not what you want in a Batman movie.

At least they blew up the godawful Batmobile.  I hated that thing so much.

I'm calling BULLs**t on the feel-goody business with the bombs on the barges.  Just, no.

The beginning with the Scarecrow could have been cut.  The entire subplot about the Chinese guy could have been cut with only minor alterations to the movie.  The subplot about the accountant who finds out that Bruce Wayne is Batman sorely *needed* to be cut.

So, I would normally give this movie a C-, just like Batman Begins: a good effort but mediocre execution.  However, Heath Ledger and Aaron Eckhart were so good as The Joker and Two-Face, I'm bumping the grade up to a B-.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: HappyGilmore on August 02, 2008, 08:32:13 AM
I understand where you're coming from as far as Batman attacking the SWAT team when he found out about the hostages.  But on the other hand, he didn't have a whole hell of a lot of time.  Soon as he got in the building, the SWAT team was already there and ready to attack.  Even if he radioed Gordon, Gordon was gone from the scene, as he found out Two-Face had his family.  So I saw him attacking the SWAT team as a necessary step in preventing a bigger tragedy that could have happened.   :bluesad:


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: KYGOTC on August 02, 2008, 11:58:01 AM
The Dark Knight is a big step up from Batman Begins.  Heath was good as The Joker, though his makeup didn't do much for me.  The way Two-Face was worked into the movie actually made sense.  Nolan did a much better job of directing this time around.

However, I'm finally going to come out and say it: I think Bale is a TERRIBLE Batman.  He's all right as Bruce Wayne but his facial expressions and "Batman voice" are horrible.  Also, the way Nolan writes Batman, he's an idiot.  Like, blowing up cars that might have had people in them, racing his Batcycle through a building with civilians in it, or beating up the SWAT cops instead of, I dunno, radioing Gordon to tell him the hostages were the clowns.

The Dark Knight was fine as long as it was The Joker or Two-Face but it fell apart whenever Batman showed up.  The chase scene in the tunnel is a good example: it was probably the best part of the movie but when Batman showed up it just went all to hell.  That's not what you want in a Batman movie.

At least they blew up the godawful Batmobile.  I hated that thing so much.

I'm calling BULLs**t on the feel-goody business with the bombs on the barges.  Just, no.

The beginning with the Scarecrow could have been cut.  The entire subplot about the Chinese guy could have been cut with only minor alterations to the movie.  The subplot about the accountant who finds out that Bruce Wayne is Batman sorely *needed* to be cut.

So, I would normally give this movie a C-, just like Batman Begins: a good effort but mediocre execution.  However, Heath Ledger and Aaron Eckhart were so good as The Joker and Two-Face, I'm bumping the grade up to a B-.


I agree with him being too reckless in this movie, even for Batman. The scene in the tunnel killed me, (just as it did several people in that tunnel.) Now that I think about it, that tiny little sub-plot with the accountant WAS pretty lame and useless. And Joker couldve laughed more. He was to serious.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Mr. DS on August 02, 2008, 03:21:36 PM
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However, I'm finally going to come out and say it: I think Bale is a TERRIBLE Batman.  He's all right as Bruce Wayne but his facial expressions and "Batman voice" are horrible.  Also, the way Nolan writes Batman, he's an idiot.  Like, blowing up cars that might have had people in them, racing his Batcycle through a building with civilians in it, or beating up the SWAT cops instead of, I dunno, radioing Gordon to tell him the hostages were the clowns.

Agree most whole heartedly.  Like I said in a prior post the voice he uses as Batman (especially the angry one) hit me as almost funny.  That and I'm not sure if its the suit is to blame but his face looks like a chipmunk in it.  I don't personally recall Batman losing his temper as much as Bale's interpretation.  It all seems off key to me when you compare to the comics. 


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The beginning with the Scarecrow could have been cut.  The entire subplot about the Chinese guy could have been cut with only minor alterations to the movie.  The subplot about the accountant who finds out that Bruce Wayne is Batman sorely *needed* to be cut.

Yeah that had absolutely no premise to the movie what so ever.  Hell, I'd say the plot forgets about the Chinese character post capture quicker than the audience does. To think, that screen time could have been given more to the Joker's exploits. 


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And Joker couldve laughed more. He was to serious.

Yeah, for me Ledger nailed the dangerous side of the Joker but if he laughed more while killing he would have seemed even more maniacal IMHO. 

Another negative side note, am I the only person sick of Morgan Freeman?  He seems to play the same role in every movie.

Ok, nerdy moment over, I'm moving on.   :drink:

Edit 8/5/08
By the way, just because I don't like Morgan Freeman acting style doesn't mean I wish him bad.  He was just in a serious car accident. Heres the link.  Hope all is going to be well. 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080804/ap_on_en_mo/morgan_freeman


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Torgo on August 05, 2008, 08:16:19 PM
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The beginning with the Scarecrow could have been cut.  The entire subplot about the Chinese guy could have been cut with only minor alterations to the movie.  The subplot about the accountant who finds out that Bruce Wayne is Batman sorely *needed* to be cut.
Yeah that had absolutely no premise to the movie what so ever.  Hell, I'd say the plot forgets about the Chinese character post capture quicker than the audience does. To think, that screen time could have been given more to the Joker's exploits. 

Any kind of criticism of the film's plot cites that example right there. 


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: peter johnson on August 06, 2008, 11:19:24 AM
Saw it last night --

Overwhelmingly Gothic at times, I had no problems with the Chinese guy, as the kidnapping & bringing him back to Gotham was intergal to the busting of the crime bosses that made them loose the Joker on the city -- Really, what would you have put in place of that?  I think it was a necessary part of the falling dominoes. 

Had no problem with Batman's voice, and as far as the "bad-cop" Batman goes, have you ever read Alan Moore's "The Killing Joke" or one of the other Batman graphics from that era?  Batman does some serious smacking around in the interrogation rooms --

The bombs on the ferryboats?  At least that was something unexpected -- I thoroughly enjoyed it when the huge killer threw their trigger out the window -- That was an unexpected choice & it tickled me.

Those of you who find Maggie G. unattractive:  Check out "The Secretary" & get back to us --

Having said all that, both the wife and I found the whole thing to be too damn long & felt that it could have been cut by a good 40min.  How many more drawn-out big, bad expolsions do you really need in a film?  The l-o-n-g-g-g-g scene of The Joker blowing up (finally!!) the Gotham hospital could have been done away with altogether. The only reason to drag a film out that long is to show us something new or different, and we felt that a lot of the film almost seemed like padding, as we were shown things for a second or third time that we'd already seen.

A mixed bag, but generally wonderful.  I too was bothered by Batman blasting his way through traffic, but quickly forgot my discomfit as we roared on to something else.  Very mythic at times:  (Lucius Fox = Lucifer).  I found the licking motion of Ledger to be serpent-like/Garden of Eden/Agent of Chaos -- he even says that about himself at one point, lest we don't get it.

Well, it sure were a movie, innit it?

peter johnson/denny still deaf and blind with ringing in my ears . . .


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: trekgeezer on August 06, 2008, 12:19:44 PM
Well, poo-poo on  you guys, I loved it all. Plot holes included. It's so tremendously better than all the s**t they were trying pass off as Batman before.

And I most heartily disagree about Bale as Batman, I understand what he's going for when he's in the suit.  Batman should be a scary SOB and he pulls that off.

Oh and the suit is responsible for the way his face looks, it was the same way in Begins.






Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: akiratubo on August 06, 2008, 05:26:04 PM
And I most heartily disagree about Bale as Batman, I understand what he's going for when he's in the suit.  Batman should be a scary SOB and he pulls that off.

Different strokes and all that, but I think his voice is just painful.  Whenever he was speaking, I couldn't help but think, "Do you need a lozenge, buddy?"


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Psycho Circus on August 06, 2008, 05:29:27 PM
Different strokes and all that, but I think his voice is just painful.  Whenever he was speaking, I couldn't help but think, "Do you need a lozenge, buddy?"


"I'll tell you what's painful...."
(http://www.themoviemind.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/christian-bale-skinny.jpg)


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Oldskool138 on August 06, 2008, 05:34:47 PM
And I most heartily disagree about Bale as Batman, I understand what he's going for when he's in the suit.  Batman should be a scary SOB and he pulls that off.


Different strokes and all that, but I think his voice is just painful.  Whenever he was speaking, I couldn't help but think, "Do you need a lozenge, buddy?"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2yv8aT0UFc


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Mr. DS on August 06, 2008, 05:43:56 PM
And I most heartily disagree about Bale as Batman, I understand what he's going for when he's in the suit.  Batman should be a scary SOB and he pulls that off.


Different strokes and all that, but I think his voice is just painful.  Whenever he was speaking, I couldn't help but think, "Do you need a lozenge, buddy?"


[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2yv8aT0UFc[/url]

Thats funny sh*t and so accurate. Almost hard to tell from the original...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY8fei3Zres
roarrrrrblahblahblahbrooooarrrroaaarr....


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Texdar on August 09, 2008, 11:25:18 AM
I loved the film myself but his voice kept making me think about Pee Wee's Big Adventure when Pee Wee played the bellhop in the movie about himself and had that voice.  I kept waiting for Batman to say "Paging Mister Herman".


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Joe the Destroyer on August 10, 2008, 06:01:04 PM
*shrugs*

I guess I'm the only person that really doesn't mind Batman's voice. 


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: KYGOTC on August 11, 2008, 04:25:41 PM
*shrugs*

I guess I'm the only person that really doesn't mind Batman's voice. 

I doesnt bug me.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: trekgeezer on August 11, 2008, 06:17:22 PM
Doesn't bother me either Joe.   I can't believe people are making such a big deal about this, but it's even getting press.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/chi-kevin-conroy-christian-bale-batman-080404-ht,0,2707715.story



I know when Bale was making Begins, he said he felt totally silly when he put on the suit so he decided that he would make Batman a feral beast.

I just see the voice going along with that, he chose the bat as his emblem to instill fear the bad guys.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: darthchicken on August 13, 2008, 01:21:25 PM
That voice was sooo annoying! It sounded like Batman had been smoking 6 packs a day for a few years. That was the worst part of the movie.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: akiratubo on August 14, 2008, 09:30:48 AM
I had no problems with the Chinese guy, as the kidnapping & bringing him back to Gotham was intergal to the busting of the crime bosses that made them loose the Joker on the city -- Really, what would you have put in place of that?  I think it was a necessary part of the falling dominoes.

Easy.

Crime bosses are sitting around.

Russian Mafia Guy: Thees Batman ees a pain in our sides!  RARRRRR!
Eric Roberts "Italian" Mafia Guy: Yeah.  I wish we could do something about him.
Joker: (enters) I'll kill him for you!
Mafia Guys: Ok.

That voice was sooo annoying! It sounded like Batman had been smoking 6 packs a day for a few years. That was the worst part of the movie.

Yeah.  I'm not sure if I'll see the next one, if Bale is still doing that voice.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: HappyGilmore on August 14, 2008, 07:58:15 PM
I don't mind the voice at all.  He's supposed to instill fear in his nemesis/villains/whoevers ass he's kicking this particular movie.

It wouldn't have the same effect if Batman just showed up and was talking all normal like, "So yeah, I just ate a burger and you make me mad, don't do that."  They'd laugh at him.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Oldskool138 on August 15, 2008, 03:43:41 PM
You can be intelligible and scary at the same time.   :tongueout:


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: HappyGilmore on August 15, 2008, 08:03:49 PM
You can be intelligible and scary at the same time.   :tongueout:
You can be intelligible and scary at the same time.   :tongueout:
Like Captain Picard?  I always preferred Kirk to him.   :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Psycho Circus on August 16, 2008, 03:28:42 AM
It's better if he sounds gruff and mean, as he's a vigilante fighting for justice in a big city.
If you really want to pick at it, then everyone'd be saying; "Hey, it's a guy in a rubber bat suit punching a guy in make-up, that's stupid."

It does sound a bit weird at first, but you get used to it. It'll be interesting to see if they change that come the next installment.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Mofo Rising on August 16, 2008, 04:31:18 AM
I loved this movie. I never pick a favorite movie, but I easily pick top five favorite movies, and this made this list quite easily.

Since it's been brought up a bit here, I'm going to comment on Batman's voice. He's an instigator of fear, but also has to protect his identity. He can't exactly go out sounding like Bruce Wayne; the faux theatrics are necessary. (Let's not get into semantics about how nobody realizes it's Bruce Wayne who is Batman. Clark Kent has those glasses after all.)

I admire the plot. Everything fits together in a nice snug little puzzle. Yes, the blackmailing accountant seems extraneous, but he serves as both a humorous release (sorely needed in this rather dark story), and as an impetus for further mayhem. He's part of the storyline that really puts Gotham as a city under siege. All those huge establishing shots really work for me. And as far as that too long sequence of the Joker blowing up the hospital? That was one of the funniest parts of the movie. Holy hell, Batman! He just blew up the hospital! Oh wait, that was just a false start. Now the real explosions begin.

Where this movie excels is the story of the all-too-human superheroes. Peter Johnson has it right that you should read The Killing Joke to really get what this movie is getting at. Both the Joker and the Batman were exposed to the absolute horrificness of life. Batman came out with a renewed agenda to protect the innocent and the "status quo" while the Joker surrendered himself to chaos. Two opposite reactions, and poor Harvey Dent was the casualty. Of course, we can't relax to easily on our laurels siding with the Batman, he's completely crazy too.

The final showdown with the boats was an illustration of this concept, and one of the tensest moments in the film. If you're going to call bulls**t, then answer this: would you blow up the other boat? (At the behest of a terrorist no less.) How prepared are you to kill 300 other people to save your own skin?

I think I should also mention that Batman here is a bit inchoate. He is not at the top of his game because he just started. The fact that he is willing to give himself up to the Joker is an indication of this. The diamond-hard pinnacle of human perfection and absolute justice that he is in the comics these days is still a ways away. He is at this point still a recognizable human, and not the terrifying specter of justice he has become.

I think the problem with a further sequel, regarding villains, is that the recent Batman releases stress reality. Sure, the Batman and the Joker are almost superhuman geniuses. The Joker's planning skill almost rival the execrable Jigsaw from the Saw movies for absolute prescience, but they are both still grounded in reality. Fitting the more outre villains into this world seems a bit silly. The Joker (best villain of all-time) and Two-Face fit in, but how do you include the next logical step Catwoman?

I must stress I loved this movie. It's very near and dear to me, and it will continue to be.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: akiratubo on August 16, 2008, 11:43:05 AM
The final showdown with the boats was an illustration of this concept, and one of the tensest moments in the film. If you're going to call bulls**t, then answer this: would you blow up the other boat? (At the behest of a terrorist no less.) How prepared are you to kill 300 other people to save your own skin?

To be completely honest: Yes!  The people on the other boat sure as hell wouldn't be hesitating to blow up the boat I'm on, either.  Morality, compassion, civility, all those things go out the window when your life is about to end.  Either 300 people die, or 600 people die.  Frankly I'd rather like to be among the 300 who live.  Am I supposed to wait around for some insane man who dresses up like a bat to show up and beat up the guy holding the master detonator?  I don't think so!

The only thing that would make me not immediately push the button would be the fear that the Joker rigged the boats to both blow up, anyway.

In fact, that's how I would have done the scene.  All-out brawls erupt on both boats for the detonators, somebody gets one of them, presses it, and KABOOM! Both boats go up.  The Joker turns to Batman, laughs, and says that his point was proven.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Zapranoth on August 18, 2008, 03:40:35 AM
You can argue the point how you like; what the filmmaker chose to show about humanity's core, what the filmmaker chose to posit as the heart of us all,  is what we were shown.   The Joker lost that battle, too although it was complex in the losing.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Neville on August 19, 2008, 04:50:20 PM
Mmm... just saw the movie and I'm afraid I'm a little late to participate in the most heated debates around it.

Anyway, I liked the movie, actually liked it a lot, even more than I did "Batman begins", but I still wouldn't call it perfect. There's something in the quantity of big scenes and plot twists that feels like overkill to me, and the tone is sometimes too solemn for its own sake. At least they adressed some of the flaws of the last movie, like the awful shaky cam in action scenes. There's a big deal of action in this movie, and all of it is well planned and executed.

But what I really liked of the movie is how it addresses the whole "What if a masked hero started picking on the criminals of a city?" issue for real. I mean, Batman has to face inept copycats, the mob reacts to the presence of the hero by changing their tactics, and eventually (to restore the balance?), an opposite force appears and starts undoing his work.

Said force is, of course, the Joker. Looks like the writers did they homework, and they've dug out one of the most intriguing (and unsettling) ideas from Frank Miller's "The Dark Knight Returns", that the Joker and the Batman are anomalies that depend on each other to exist and to compensate for each others' actions. There's some dialogue between Batman and the Joker in the movie that hints it, specially towards the end, and I also like the idea of the Joker coming out of the blue just when Batman is starting to obtain possitive results, without us knowing anything about his past. Even the conflicting stories he explains about it are most likely invented.

I also liked the flaws in Batman himself. No matter his good intentions, he's only a posh boy with a bag full of gadgets and the vague idea that he can restore order through blunt force, which is both idealistic and dangerous. We see him making mistakes, putting all his eggs on one basket and abusing his power, and eventually being forced to confront his idealism. It makes for an interesting subplot, although the way his doubts are solved, when BOTH crews of the ferrys decide to do the right thing (thus proving the victory of order over anarchy) not to use his detonators, too far fetched. We all know in real life any of them would have gone off within the first five minutes. That despite being under incredible pressure the citizens of Gotham are gung ho to put their fates in the hands of Batman and the Gotham Police Department doesn't add up with what we've seen throughout the movie.

As for Two Faces, don't make me talk about it. Hands off, he's the worst part of the movie. He makes an intriguing character while he stays as Dent, because he's pretty similar to Batman in ideology and intentions, although he prefers to make his fight for order a public one, and we also get to see his dark side a few times, but once he gets half cooked he's wasted as some sort of lame plot device. Did any of you buy that he gets manipulated so easily by the Joker? Because I didn't.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Psycho Circus on August 19, 2008, 04:54:51 PM

Which of course, is the Joker. Looks like the writers did they homework, and they've dug out one of the most intriguing (and unsettling) ideas from Frank Miller's "The Dark Knight Returns", that the Joker and the Batman are anomalies that depend on each other to exist and to compensate for each others' actions. There's some dialogue between Batman and the Joker in the movie that hints it, and I also like the idea of the Joker coming out of the blue, without knowing us anything about his past. Even the (conflicting) stories he explains about it are most likely invented.

Nolan and the writers must stick with the Frank Miller style batman stuff


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Neville on August 19, 2008, 05:02:04 PM
They seem to take Miller's work as one of their main inspirations, at least until now. The whole "Batman begins" movie has a lot in common with "Batman: Year One".


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: HappyGilmore on August 19, 2008, 07:01:32 PM


As for Two Faces, don't make me talk about it. Hands off, he's the worst part of the movie. He makes an intriguing character while he stays as Dent, because he's pretty similar to Batman in ideology and intentions, although he prefers to make his fight for order a public one, and we also get to see his dark side a few times, but once he gets half cooked he's wasted as some sort of lame plot device. Did any of you buy that he gets manipulated so easily by the Joker? Because I didn't.

I didn't really look at Two-Face being manipulated so much as just snapping when his grand scheme to catch Joker fell through.  His reputation was on the line, his girlfriend was dead, he was permanently scarred, and just snapped.  Granted, Joker got in his ear at the hospital, but I figured he was already at the breaking point by then.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Oldskool138 on August 19, 2008, 07:05:47 PM
I didn't really look at Two-Face being manipulated so much as just snapping when his grand scheme to catch Joker fell through.  His reputation was on the line, his girlfriend was dead, he was permanently scarred, and just snapped.  Granted, Joker got in his ear at the hospital, but I figured he was already at the breaking point by then.

I'm with you on that one...earlier in the movie we saw that Dent had a dark side and was near the breaking point.  The Joker just gave him a little nudge after he was scarred emotionally and physically.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: clockworkcanary on August 20, 2008, 08:44:15 AM
Interesting discussion.  As for where to go with the villains in the next one and yet retain some sort of realism, it's hard to say.  I always liked the stories that had serial killers so Bats can really display his detective skills.

Here's my opinions on some popular Batman villains:

Talia Al Ghul - Ras's daughter, which would inevitably bring us full circle back to Ras possibly?  Could be interesting as a romantic angle as well.

Deadshot - this villain was never given any screen time in TAS due to the firearms thing; perhaps we could get a proper portrayal.  Of course, he's just an assassin working for "someone" eles.

The Clock King: I wish.  Besides the silly gimmick, this guy is kinda awesome just with his efficiency skills.  I seriously doubt he'd ever get any screen time though.

The Mad Hatter -a bit creepy and already kinda used (Batman Forever's Riddler was reallyt a Riddler/Mad Hatter hybrid. Not sure Mad Hatter would be too interesting of an enemy.

Hush - could be great - could have been better if had a hint about him in Bruce's flashbacks

Bane - maybe it could work ...but hopefully not yet

Maxie Zeus: no way

Vintriloquist and Scarface: not likely

Hugo Strange - mad scientist type - could be a bit part, nothing more

Scarecrow - the only way to work him in is like they did in TDK - a small scene with him being a small time deal.

Man-bat -although it'd be cool, it's not too realistic

Red Claw - leader of an assassin cult/crime organization - not too interesting

Black Mask - I don't know much about this guy, honestly

Killer Croc - maybe, although he was kinda already used as Penguin in Batman Returns was kinda a hybrid between Croc and Penguin.

Mr. Freeze - no thanks ...still bitter about Batman & Robin; check out Heart of Ice or Subzero for a proper story for this guy.

Rupert Thorn - always a good mob boss

Penguin - only as some kind of mob boss who has only a small scene and/or a bit part

Firefly - not well known or very iconic in the Batman legacy.

Riddler - would be great if they could do it right

Roxy Rocket - don't think so

Poison Ivy - not quite

Catwoman - boooring, IMO

Harley - no way

Clayface -too far out there


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Dr_Malavaqua on August 20, 2008, 06:12:49 PM
Is it just me, or were there some hints pointing towards a Catwoman appearance in the future?(UNFORTUNATELY!)

Two main things:
1. About half an hour into the movie Fox and Wayne talk about the new suit:..
 
Wayne: How will it hold up against dogs?

Fox: Are we talkin' rottweilers or chihuahuas?
(pause)
Fox: ..It should do fine against cats.

CUT to next scene..
*Hmm, anybody?*

2. The overall DOG theme of the movie..
The mafia had dogs, which were seen/or referenced to several times.. They attacked Batman in the beginning, they are seen/heard when the Joker has the huge mob stack of cash... The Joker: "..and then we'll see how loyal a hungry dog really is." And finally dogs chase after the Dark Knight in the final shot of the movie!
IF this one actually had a DOG theme, wouldn't it, sadly, be followed by a say CAT theme?
   
Thoughts about these observation?

I liked the film as a whole very much. I think Batman Begins is a great movie(especially Batman-wise) but this one takes the cake with Heath's villain-of-the-decade performance as icing on the cake!
The main problems I had was Two-Face - after the transformation the character suffered a lot if you ask me..(Agree with you Neville about him becoming a lame plot device) I even think the acting performance started to go downhill..
And the voice actually started to become a bit silly towards the end, especially in the final confrontation with Two-Face were he speaks a bit lower, and then suddenly Batman interrupts with an even darker voice..both sounding very contrived!(I almost laughed out loud in the theatre!) But all-in-all, great movie looking forward to the next one, but I think it will be hard to top this.. :teddyr:


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: KYGOTC on August 20, 2008, 08:09:18 PM
Ive never liked Catwoman. As far as Im concerned, Batman has no time for a love intrest. But as we all know, hollywood throws them in there anyway.





Im still pushing for either BANE or MR. FREEZE as the next villian, if not Two-Face.

(I know everyone still has a bad taste left in there mouth from BATMAN AND ROBIN and never want to see MR. FREEZE again, but if you read the comics and watch the cartoon, you'll see that Freeze is actually a very in-depth serious charecter with a motive an a heart of ice. Go watch any given Mr. Freeze episode from the 90's animated series. You'll know what I mean.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: HappyGilmore on August 20, 2008, 09:07:34 PM
Interesting discussion.  As for where to go with the villains in the next one and yet retain some sort of realism, it's hard to say.  I always liked the stories that had serial killers so Bats can really display his detective skills.

Here's my opinions on some popular Batman villains:

Talia Al Ghul - Ras's daughter, which would inevitably bring us full circle back to Ras possibly?  Could be interesting as a romantic angle as well.

Deadshot - this villain was never given any screen time in TAS due to the firearms thing; perhaps we could get a proper portrayal.  Of course, he's just an assassin working for "someone" eles.

The Mad Hatter -a bit creepy and already kinda used (Batman Forever's Riddler was reallyt a Riddler/Mad Hatter hybrid. Not sure Mad Hatter would be too interesting of an enemy.

Man-bat -although it'd be cool, it's not too realistic

Killer Croc - maybe, although he was kinda already used as Penguin in Batman Returns was kinda a hybrid between Croc and Penguin.

Penguin - only as some kind of mob boss who has only a small scene and/or a bit part

Riddler - would be great if they could do it right

Harley - no way

Clayface -too far out there

Talia could happen, but I doubt she'd be a main villain.

Mad Hatter- could be used, I'd like it personally, but only if it's written well.

Deadshot- Could be used.  Give him a backstory, and he could be working for Dent in the next one, with Dent hoping to seek revenge on Batman, who he feels 'let him down' when they tried to get Joker.

Man-Bat- Was considered for an earlier flick, following Batman and Robin, but they ended up cancelling the flick.  Could work.

Penguin- One I want to see done.  I'd have him as a crime boss/club owner who essentially gave up crime life (publicly, at least), but is still involved somehow.  Possibly helping Batman by giving up other villains to allow himself gain more power.  Similar to the comics. But, Phillip Seymour Hoffman would have to play him.

Riddler- If done right, could be very interesting.  I'd actually like to see Crispin Glover in the role.

Harley- I like her.  If I were working on the script, I'd have it setup some way that she hears about Batman getting Joker locked up in Arkham, and she shows up in town to possibly help Dent break Joker out.  Granted she'd fail at the end, but eh. 

I'd also like to see Humpty Dumpty in one.  Nothing says "psycho" like a guy who kills his grandmother, hacks her apart, then sews her back together again just to 'fix' her because she made fun of him.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Inferno on August 20, 2008, 09:36:21 PM
Help me out here.
Didn't Dent DIE in TDK? I know people want Two-Face to be the next villian, but is he dead or just out cold at the end there? :question:
I do think the Mad Hatter is a decent choice. Considering how many crazies were set loose out of Arkham in Begins, I wouldn't be suprised if he showed up.
Also:
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m90/Shadowfire_Razaron/fbgugg.gif  :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Psycho Circus on August 21, 2008, 05:46:02 AM

Penguin- One I want to see done.  I'd have him as a crime boss/club owner who essentially gave up crime life (publicly, at least), but is still involved somehow.  Possibly helping Batman by giving up other villains to allow himself gain more power.  Similar to the comics. But, Phillip Seymour Hoffman would have to play him.

Totally agree! I think Hoffman would be the perfect choice. I would like to see a new villan used though and not have the films going in the order that the original films did. Man-bat would be awesome too as long as it's not all CGI. I hate that.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: HappyGilmore on August 21, 2008, 08:40:30 AM
Help me out here.
Didn't Dent DIE in TDK? I know people want Two-Face to be the next villian, but is he dead or just out cold at the end there? :question:
I do think the Mad Hatter is a decent choice. Considering how many crazies were set loose out of Arkham in Begins, I wouldn't be suprised if he showed up.
Also:
[url]http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m90/Shadowfire_Razaron/fbgugg.gif [/url] :bouncegiggle:

How many villains over the years "died", only to come back at some point?  Besides, Batman doesn't kill villains.  I think he's just 'knocked out', awaiting his return.  They never really had a 'funeral' in the movie.  Granted, they had that thing with Gordon and Dent's picture in the background, and for all accounts DENT is dead, not Two-Face.  Dent died when Joker scarred him.  Two Face was born the second he snapped and started killing people.  So yeah, I look at it that way.


Penguin- One I want to see done.  I'd have him as a crime boss/club owner who essentially gave up crime life (publicly, at least), but is still involved somehow.  Possibly helping Batman by giving up other villains to allow himself gain more power.  Similar to the comics. But, Phillip Seymour Hoffman would have to play him.


Totally agree! I think Hoffman would be the perfect choice. I would like to see a new villan used though and not have the films going in the order that the original films did. Man-bat would be awesome too as long as it's not all CGI. I hate that.

Nolan's a little against having the Penguin, as it's 'unrealistic.'  But the way the comics now have him, with owning a club, giving Batman tips to gain an advantage over other villains, etc, it could be interesting.  Batman could see him as an ally, only to find out Penguin's been helping him only to turn his back on Bats when he gained enough power in the underworld.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Neville on August 23, 2008, 04:36:59 AM
I think this is going to be a problem. I mean, the fact that many of Batman classical villains don't seem to fit into the realistic universe Nolan has developed in these two movies.

I would have loved to see more of Rhaz As Ghul or whatever his name is. The whole Lazarus pits thing could mean we could have a Batman movie completely set outside Gotham City. That would be refreshing. But then, this villain was already used in "Batman begins", and as far as we know he's dead.

BTW, just seen this elsewhere. Found it very funny:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/docdre/Gifs/v4wefd.gif)


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Psycho Circus on August 23, 2008, 04:40:27 AM
Maybe they'll create an entirely new villain?

-Kane Hodder for Bane


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Neville on August 23, 2008, 04:43:19 AM
That would be interesting, yes.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: HappyGilmore on August 23, 2008, 08:13:16 AM
Maybe they'll create an entirely new villain?

-Kane Hodder for Bane
They could create a new villain, but that's also kind of a slap in the face to everyone that's ever been involved in creating the comic, as well as every fan (the people who'd see the movie) face.

I mean, what's unrealistic about the Penguin?  His appearance?  There's lots of people with deformities out there in the world.  Or is it the character itself?  I mean, what underworld boss hasn't sold out other criminals to make themselves gain more ground?  Mobsters do it, petty criminals do it, so why can't the Penguin, especially when it's Hoffman?

I also say Riddler can show up. 


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Inferno on August 25, 2008, 06:53:18 AM
Penguin doesn't really need physical deformities. The old Adam West Batman's penguin was just a regular guy with a weird-ass speech impediment if I remember correctly.
I would like to see how Riddler played out if they decided to use him. Maybe someone who was inspired by the Joker and took it to the next level. I.e. Joker clearly states he'll blow up a hospital but doesn't say which one, The Riddler says he'll blow something up and leaves clues to where/what it is.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Neville on August 26, 2008, 05:37:04 PM
Another funny parody...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2yv8aT0UFc


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Oldskool138 on August 26, 2008, 06:02:17 PM
I already posted that on Page 4.   :tongueout:  :teddyr:


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Torgo on August 26, 2008, 07:54:53 PM
([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/docdre/Gifs/v4wefd.gif[/url])


That's awesome.  Karma for you!  :thumbup:


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Neville on August 27, 2008, 02:50:44 AM
I already posted that on Page 4.   :tongueout:  :teddyr:

(Annoyed grunt)

Sorry about that, haven't checked the whole thread yet.  :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Caronte on September 03, 2008, 06:57:57 AM
AMAZING!!!

A solid script, great characters, the most "realistic" superheromovie ever (I find it more related to "HEAT" than with any superhero movie), the joker was great!, it's a pity he can't be in the third part (I guess Nolan will close the trilogy).



Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Psycho Circus on September 09, 2008, 07:56:51 AM
Help me out here.
Didn't Dent DIE in TDK? I know people want Two-Face to be the next villian, but is he dead or just out cold at the end there? :question:
I do think the Mad Hatter is a decent choice. Considering how many crazies were set loose out of Arkham in Begins, I wouldn't be suprised if he showed up.
Also:
[url]http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m90/Shadowfire_Razaron/fbgugg.gif [/url] :bouncegiggle:

How many villains over the years "died", only to come back at some point?  Besides, Batman doesn't kill villains.  I think he's just 'knocked out', awaiting his return.  They never really had a 'funeral' in the movie.  Granted, they had that thing with Gordon and Dent's picture in the background, and for all accounts DENT is dead, not Two-Face.  Dent died when Joker scarred him.  Two Face was born the second he snapped and started killing people.  So yeah, I look at it that way.


Penguin- One I want to see done.  I'd have him as a crime boss/club owner who essentially gave up crime life (publicly, at least), but is still involved somehow.  Possibly helping Batman by giving up other villains to allow himself gain more power.  Similar to the comics. But, Phillip Seymour Hoffman would have to play him.


Totally agree! I think Hoffman would be the perfect choice. I would like to see a new villan used though and not have the films going in the order that the original films did. Man-bat would be awesome too as long as it's not all CGI. I hate that.

Nolan's a little against having the Penguin, as it's 'unrealistic.'  But the way the comics now have him, with owning a club, giving Batman tips to gain an advantage over other villains, etc, it could be interesting.  Batman could see him as an ally, only to find out Penguin's been helping him only to turn his back on Bats when he gained enough power in the underworld.


Hey great mind's think alike...

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news08/080908q.php (http://www.darkhorizons.com/news08/080908q.php)

I don't agree with Depp though, hope that stays a rumour.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: HappyGilmore on September 09, 2008, 08:45:09 AM
Help me out here.
Didn't Dent DIE in TDK? I know people want Two-Face to be the next villian, but is he dead or just out cold at the end there? :question:
I do think the Mad Hatter is a decent choice. Considering how many crazies were set loose out of Arkham in Begins, I wouldn't be suprised if he showed up.
Also:
[url]http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m90/Shadowfire_Razaron/fbgugg.gif [/url] :bouncegiggle:

How many villains over the years "died", only to come back at some point?  Besides, Batman doesn't kill villains.  I think he's just 'knocked out', awaiting his return.  They never really had a 'funeral' in the movie.  Granted, they had that thing with Gordon and Dent's picture in the background, and for all accounts DENT is dead, not Two-Face.  Dent died when Joker scarred him.  Two Face was born the second he snapped and started killing people.  So yeah, I look at it that way.


Penguin- One I want to see done.  I'd have him as a crime boss/club owner who essentially gave up crime life (publicly, at least), but is still involved somehow.  Possibly helping Batman by giving up other villains to allow himself gain more power.  Similar to the comics. But, Phillip Seymour Hoffman would have to play him.


Totally agree! I think Hoffman would be the perfect choice. I would like to see a new villan used though and not have the films going in the order that the original films did. Man-bat would be awesome too as long as it's not all CGI. I hate that.

Nolan's a little against having the Penguin, as it's 'unrealistic.'  But the way the comics now have him, with owning a club, giving Batman tips to gain an advantage over other villains, etc, it could be interesting.  Batman could see him as an ally, only to find out Penguin's been helping him only to turn his back on Bats when he gained enough power in the underworld.


Hey great mind's think alike...

[url]http://www.darkhorizons.com/news08/080908q.php[/url] ([url]http://www.darkhorizons.com/news08/080908q.php[/url])

I don't agree with Depp though, hope that stays a rumour.

Depp's a good actor.  But I'm more interested in Hoffman as Penguin.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Torgo on September 09, 2008, 05:28:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDGdfiaQ49I


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Doggett on February 21, 2009, 06:22:25 PM
I would still like to see Penguin in a new Bat-flick. 

I'm hoping to see Dark Knight next weekend.

Just a question on Batman.  Does anyone find the voice Bale uses as Batman (especially the yelling) kind of annoying and almost funny?  Granted he seems to play Bruce Wayne perfect. 
I know a few people who don't like that. 



Batman Returns is still my favourite Bat flick (and favourite film ever), so I hope Penguin comes back!!!

Harely and Ivy joyriding around Gotham would be cool!


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Psycho Circus on February 21, 2009, 06:29:01 PM
Harely and Ivy joyriding around Gotham would be cool!

Not to be sexist or homophobic, but any women villans or Robin, would kill the credibility of the franchise all over again.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Doggett on February 21, 2009, 06:32:17 PM
Harely and Ivy joyriding around Gotham would be cool!

Not to be sexist or homophobic, but any women villans or Robin, would kill the credibility of the franchise all over again.

Is it because when it comes to women, writers only care about what they look like and can't be bothered to give them a decent storyline, just a dull romance ?


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Psycho Circus on February 21, 2009, 06:40:47 PM
Harely and Ivy joyriding around Gotham would be cool!

Not to be sexist or homophobic, but any women villans or Robin, would kill the credibility of the franchise all over again.

Is it because when it comes to women, writers only care about what they look like and can't be bothered to give them a decent storyline, just a dull romance ?

No, I just think women in silly costumes beating ppl up looks stupid. It's a miracle in itself that ppl aren't laughing their aases off at the concept of a rubber suited "bat-man".


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Doggett on February 21, 2009, 06:48:00 PM
Harely and Ivy joyriding around Gotham would be cool!

Not to be sexist or homophobic, but any women villans or Robin, would kill the credibility of the franchise all over again.

Is it because when it comes to women, writers only care about what they look like and can't be bothered to give them a decent storyline, just a dull romance ?

No, I just think women in silly costumes beating ppl up looks stupid. It's a miracle in itself that ppl aren't laughing their aases off at the concept of a rubber suited "bat-man".
Batman wears black and he only comes out at night.
Most don't see his costume.
Only the silhouette.
That's what makes him so cool!

OT.
That was time first time I spelt silhouette correctly without using spell check.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: HappyGilmore on February 21, 2009, 09:21:23 PM




Batman Returns is still my favourite Bat flick (and favourite film ever), so I hope Penguin comes back!!!

Harely and Ivy joyriding around Gotham would be cool!
[/quote]
Returns was a decent flick.  But apparently, Nolan doesn't want to use the Penguin, as it's 'unbelievable.'  Dude, your movie is about a guy in a rubber batsuit fighting a guy dressed as a clown.  Like you see that everyday driving down the street. :lookingup:

In all honesty, the best way to utilize the Penguin in a 'realistic' style is to use the comic book way: He's a 'legit' business owner, running a nightclub.  But since various criminals use his club as a place to hatch schemes, he sells them out to Bats, and Batman doesn't really go after Penguin.  Then eventually, something happens, causing their rift, so to speak.  It's happened in the comics, so I could see it happening in a flick, especially if it's as a 'secondary villain' type thing, with another villain as the 'main' villain.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: KYGOTC on February 23, 2009, 04:59:56 PM
Harely and Ivy joyriding around Gotham would be cool!

Not to be sexist or homophobic, but any women villans or Robin, would kill the credibility of the franchise all over again.

Is it because when it comes to women, writers only care about what they look like and can't be bothered to give them a decent storyline, just a dull romance ?

Thats usually the way it works. Its bogus.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: HappyGilmore on February 23, 2009, 10:45:55 PM
So I guess nobody was really shocked that Heath Ledger won for The Joker.  I loved his performance, but it seemed almost as if they had to give it to him, namely due to his death and the fact the flick made something like a billion dollars.  Generally, it seems all the 'lower budgeted' movies that don't bring in a lot of box office get the top awards.  I figured it'd be in the air between Heath and Phillip Seymour Hoffman for Doubt.

I kinda wanted Hoffman to win, as he's a great actor.  But an exec at Warner Bros. was asked how you top Heath as Joker and his response was "Phillip Hoffman as Penguin."  Gossip, sure, but I'd love to see it happen.


Title: Re: THE DARK KNIGHT
Post by: Jim H on February 26, 2009, 04:59:46 AM
So I guess nobody was really shocked that Heath Ledger won for The Joker.  I loved his performance, but it seemed almost as if they had to give it to him, namely due to his death and the fact the flick made something like a billion dollars.  Generally, it seems all the 'lower budgeted' movies that don't bring in a lot of box office get the top awards.  I figured it'd be in the air between Heath and Phillip Seymour Hoffman for Doubt.

I kinda wanted Hoffman to win, as he's a great actor.  But an exec at Warner Bros. was asked how you top Heath as Joker and his response was "Phillip Hoffman as Penguin."  Gossip, sure, but I'd love to see it happen.

Small note: the Dark Knight finally surpassed a billion dollars very recently, actually.  That makes it only the 4th film to top the big B mark.  I'd also have to say it is the best of the four - the others being Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest, Titanic, and Return of the King.