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Title: What Badness can't you tolerate?
Post by: Nukie 2 on October 07, 2008, 08:51:01 AM
I for one can't tolerate a movie where  most of it is spent in a lab or office where nothing happens. This only works if theres something being tourtured, or if there are experiments taking place and you are able to asee them. I hate being told about the slides. When the scientists yack about the freaks cell structure, newsflash, it doesn't add a technical edge to the film, the analysis won't make sense anyways BECAUSE IT'S FICTION, SO DON'T SPEND SO MUCH TIME ON IT

If a movie is spent mostly in a police office, it will only work if we don't know who or what is the cause of death, and if you have forsensic operations happening. But, please do not tell me exclusively eveything going on on the cellular level-- see capitalised sentance above.

Bottom line with this issue, it's dangerous to have most of the movie in a lab or office, it retards the pacing of the movie.

Finally I hate it when most of the movie we're told the monster is "over there!" or "over there!" ,and we don't get very good glimpses of the monster until the ending. Why do you think we rent/ buy monster movies? To see what it looks like-- if it's really crappy, it's funny; it's really good, it's really good.


Title: Re: What Badness can't you tolerate?
Post by: Jack on October 07, 2008, 09:14:52 AM
I hate padding, and no, I'm not talking about anything having to do with bras.  I'm talking about when a movie introduces utterly irrelevant subplots, just for the sake of killing time.  For instance, the movie Petrified.  There's a scientist conducting experiments into immortality.  He spends a good deal of time explaining this.  It has absolutely nothing to do with anything in the movie.  He may as well have spent five minutes talking about the classes he took in college.  There are also a couple of detectives who walk around outside, discovering bodies and talking about them.  They never play any part in the movie whatsoever.  Probably the most egregious example is a movie called Tower of Blood, that I just watched the other day.  The opening credit sequence is over 10 minutes long.  So are the closing credits.  We also get a music video in the middle of the movie and, just to kill yet more time, a five minute scene where a guy tries to talk someone into buying beer for him and his buddies.  It's a 75 minute movie, yet only about 45 once you get rid of the blatant padding.  Nothing kills my interest in what is going on in the movie faster than padding.

Another thing is completely ineffective character development scenes.  Like The Descent, the first 20 minutes are wasted with these characters talking, and we don't get to know any of them even the slightest bit.  Numerous movies are guilty of this.  Or get to know the characters by having them argue, making the audience dislike everyone right from the start, but apparently screenwriters are under the assumption that audiences are attracted to obnoxious a-holes, so they stick it into one movie after another after another.


Title: Re: What Badness can't you tolerate?
Post by: The Burgomaster on October 07, 2008, 09:21:22 AM
I cannot tolerate badness that arises from the filmmaker trying to be artistic but ending up producing a boring, incoherent mess.  For a perfect example, please see my recent comments about FRANKENSTEIN'S BLOODY NIGHTMARE. 


Title: Re: What Badness can't you tolerate?
Post by: zombie no.one on October 07, 2008, 09:29:53 AM
for me ,romantic sub-plots are usually the most boring & tedious aspect of any film they appear in. yet somehow every film seems to need one. almost as if the directors are afraid any movie that isn't underpinned by a firm heterosexual soap story will be labelled as "art-house" or just unmarketable...

also: numerous "false endings" where the monster/bad guy isn't really dead but we think they are. any more than one false ending is unforgivable


Title: Re: What Badness can't you tolerate?
Post by: Psycho Circus on October 07, 2008, 10:29:07 AM
This needs no explanation...

(http://upload.moldova.org/movie/actors/c/christopher_lambert/thumbnails/tn2_christopher_lambert_1.jpg)


Title: Re: What Badness can't you tolerate?
Post by: Cthulhu on October 07, 2008, 11:26:07 AM
I hate if the movie is boring. Fright night http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062036/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062036/) is a perfect example fo that. It's a monster movie, and we only see the monster for about 2 minutes IN THE WHOLE FILM. Nothing happens, just retarded characters talking about stuff that nobody cares about.


Title: Re: What Badness can't you tolerate?
Post by: Mr. DS on October 07, 2008, 11:53:55 AM
Some of these have been mentioned
1.) Time killing search scenes with numerous false scares over ominous music.
2.) Pointless romantic interludes.  Can't a male and female work together without porking?
3.) Repeated gore for the sake of shock. 
4.) Comic relief characters.
5.) The last minute monster appearance.
6.) Box art that misrepresents anything going on in the film.
7.) Sloppy editing and repeated scenes.
8.) Twist endings.  You know, where the monster is "defeated" but yet the ending hints at the monster still being alive.  Idiocy, makes the two year long climax you witnessed seem rather pointless.
9.) Movies that have near nude scenes but lack the fortitude to actually show boobies.
10.) Movies that seem to have 8 ideas Scotch taped to each other with the hope audience understand the film. 

Theres many more...


Title: Re: What Badness can't you tolerate?
Post by: zombie no.one on October 07, 2008, 12:29:36 PM

6.) Box art that misrepresents anything going on in the film.



agreed. the one that springs to mind for me is this sleeve for LAST HOUSE ON THE LEFT

(http://www.best-horror-movies.com/image-files/last-house-on-the-left-dvd-cover.jpg)

makes it look like some kind of spooky ghost movie with a haunted house?!?!?


Title: Re: What Badness can't you tolerate?
Post by: The Burgomaster on October 07, 2008, 02:54:10 PM

2.) Pointless romantic interludes.  Can't a male and female work together without porking?

No.


Title: Re: What Badness can't you tolerate?
Post by: lester1/2jr on October 07, 2008, 03:12:24 PM
I hate it when they are in commando mode and they go on and on about the mission.  I saw one movies  "the crazies" where the entire movie was mission talk. 

having a pregnant woman in peril is a cheap way to add tension.

kidnapping / crime  where everything starts to fall apart. 


Title: Re: What Badness can't you tolerate?
Post by: Patient7 on October 07, 2008, 04:29:54 PM
In the opening credits when they show only artsy shots and the credits so everyone is forced to read who the director of photagraphy was, if I cared or if a producer cared, they'd check the end credits.


Title: Re: What Badness can't you tolerate?
Post by: D-Man on October 07, 2008, 04:43:00 PM

3.) Repeated gore for the sake of shock. 

 

I personally enjoy endless gore, hehe.   :teddyr:

I hate it when they try to redirect our hatred for the monster or psycho to the "Designated a***ole" character that suddenly has to be in every horror movie now.  Especially if this a***ole is given way too much screen time (THE BURNING) or if this person's death scene is extremely lame (LIVING DEAD OF MANCHESTER MORGUE)


Title: Re: What Badness can't you tolerate?
Post by: Doc Daneeka on October 07, 2008, 06:06:26 PM
I hate if the movie is boring. Fright night is a perfect example fo that. It's a monster movie, and we only see the monster for about 2 minutes IN THE WHOLE FILM. Nothing happens, just retarded characters talking about stuff that nobody cares about.
What?!?!? I gotta take time out to go off on something of a rant here; Jerry turns vampire for at least a very memorable 15 minutes, and proves a menacing, and cool as hell villain for a good chunk of the rest. Not to mention the other villains; the incredible melting henchman and the gruesomely transformed Evil Ed! The film is far from boring, most of it is plotting, but there is a good atmosphere kept up, and the characters are not effing retarded! (Well, not in a bad way) Charlie is a cool nerd type, Amy is great as the mousey girl next door, Peter Vincent is an extremely memorable hunter, in fact, everyone down to the one-scene detective is memorable!

Geez, back on topic, there is very little that I cannot actually tolerate, though there is quite a bit a really don't like to see; I am in agreement with Nukie as well as Darksider for the most part (Misleading box art doesn't really irk me unless there is no description on the back). I ain't big on 1950s stuff for the former reason; too much exposition, and most of Darksider's stuff can fit into one category: Formula. I do not like when stuff falls into an irritatingly predictable rut, especially when the filmmakers, and sometimes the fans act like the film in question is just the absolutely best of it's kind. :hatred:

One I don't think people have mentioned is crappy characters. I hate watching characters die, no matter how creatively, when they have no personality whatsoever! In the same way, I don't like it when absolutely hatable characters survive, and worse, are completely forgotten about :hatred: . This is why I don't like Scarecrow Slayer!


Title: Re: What Badness can't you tolerate?
Post by: JaseSF on October 07, 2008, 08:03:57 PM
Hmm seems to me most of what's been mentioned is often key aspects I expect from B-movies. The problem is in the execution I feel...when it isn't done convincingly, that's where trouble lies. The thing I loathe is CGI, especially poor cheaply done CGI. I'm just not convinced that your animated monster is anything more than a two dimensional drawing.......sorry! A guy in a suit with a visible zipper I actually find more convincing! Movies shouldn't look like video games IMO.


Title: Re: What Badness can't you tolerate?
Post by: sideorderofninjas on October 07, 2008, 10:24:58 PM
I have to say a boring movie is the hardest to stand.  A movie doesn't always have to focus on the monster all the time.  Some movies I'd forgotten how little the monster was focused on like Critters

The dreaded "Too-Dark-To-See" scenes get awfully tiring fast, too. 


Title: Re: What Badness can't you tolerate?
Post by: Psycho Circus on October 08, 2008, 08:34:22 AM
I have to say a boring movie is the hardest to stand.  A movie doesn't always have to focus on the monster all the time.  Some movies I'd forgotten how little the monster was focused on like Critters

The dreaded "Too-Dark-To-See" scenes get awfully tiring fast, too. 

Critters, now there's a boring film!


Title: Re: What Badness can't you tolerate?
Post by: RCMerchant on October 08, 2008, 08:40:46 AM
Hmm seems to me most of what's been mentioned is often key aspects I expect from B-movies. The problem is in the execution I feel...when it isn't done convincingly, that's where trouble lies. The thing I loathe is CGI, especially poor cheaply done CGI. I'm just not convinced that your animated monster is anything more than a two dimensional drawing.......sorry! A guy in a suit with a visible zipper I actually find more convincing! Movies shouldn't look like video games IMO.
I agree! CGI sucks.

As far as techno babble....I can listen to John Carridine spout techno gibberish all day.


Title: Re: What Badness can't you tolerate?
Post by: Cthulhu on October 08, 2008, 08:59:08 AM
I hate if the movie is boring. Fright night is a perfect example fo that. It's a monster movie, and we only see the monster for about 2 minutes IN THE WHOLE FILM. Nothing happens, just retarded characters talking about stuff that nobody cares about.

What?!?!? I gotta take time out to go off on something of a rant here; Jerry turns vampire for at least a very memorable 15 minutes, and proves a menacing, and cool as hell villain for a good chunk of the rest. Not to mention the other villains; the incredible melting henchman and the gruesomely transformed Evil Ed! The film is far from boring, most of it is plotting, but there is a good atmosphere kept up, and the characters are not effing retarded! (Well, not in a bad way) Charlie is a cool nerd type, Amy is great as the mousey girl next door, Peter Vincent is an extremely memorable hunter, in fact, everyone down to the one-scene detective is memorable!


No, no, no, no no. I'm talking about this Fright Night:http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062036/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062036/) (aka. Night Fright)
I haven't seen the  Fright night you are talking about. Sorry for not including an IMDB link in my earlier post


Title: Re: What Badness can't you tolerate?
Post by: inframan on October 08, 2008, 09:15:39 AM
Zombie Lake, could not tolerate it. I had such high hopes, how could a zombie movie no little to no production values, bad acting, bad spfx, filled with naked chicks still be so boring.


Title: Re: What Badness can't you tolerate?
Post by: Captain Tars Tarkas on October 08, 2008, 11:58:01 AM
Boring sex scenes.  That would be most of Seduction Cinema, and many 1970's Eurohorror movies (some of these have the added horror of hideous actors and actresses)


And padding with walking or anything else boring.  If you can't write a script for 70 minutes of action, you shouldn't be making films.  Go stuff pillows instead.


Title: Re: What Badness can't you tolerate?
Post by: zombie no.one on October 08, 2008, 02:00:08 PM


The dreaded "Too-Dark-To-See" scenes get awfully tiring fast, too. 

agreed. what's the point in squinting to vaguely make out some monster fight scene that probably cost 1000s of bucks to create and was meticulously choreographed by the director, if it takes place in zero lighting? makes no sense. I find that 'trendy' newer horrors are most guilty of this....


Title: Re: What Badness can't you tolerate?
Post by: ghouck on October 08, 2008, 02:45:33 PM
Boredom obviously, But I also hate it when a movie goes to far trying to express the importance of a situation, or goes unrealistically out of it's way to explain something. It reminds me of the cartoon "Speed Racer". . ."If we do not defuse this bomb it will destroy the dam and cause a flood that will kill thousands of people that live downstream by washing them all out into the ocean where they will drownd or be eaten by the sharks that inhabit the waters nearby"


Title: Re: What Badness can't you tolerate?
Post by: KYGOTC on October 08, 2008, 03:02:11 PM
As long as its not BOOORRRIINGG, i will watch ANY b-movie.

Cheezy 2-d props? Bring it on!

Actors who cant act? The more the marrier!

Over the top gore and sex? Pile it on, my friend!

Horrible dubing and editing? How could I resist??


But if the movie is BORING, I cant watch it. That was my problem with THE STUFF, PARENTS, STAR ODDESEY, and several others.


Title: Re: What Badness can't you tolerate?
Post by: Mr. DS on October 08, 2008, 07:48:13 PM
I hate if the movie is boring. Fright night is a perfect example fo that. It's a monster movie, and we only see the monster for about 2 minutes IN THE WHOLE FILM. Nothing happens, just retarded characters talking about stuff that nobody cares about.

What?!?!? I gotta take time out to go off on something of a rant here; Jerry turns vampire for at least a very memorable 15 minutes, and proves a menacing, and cool as hell villain for a good chunk of the rest. Not to mention the other villains; the incredible melting henchman and the gruesomely transformed Evil Ed! The film is far from boring, most of it is plotting, but there is a good atmosphere kept up, and the characters are not effing retarded! (Well, not in a bad way) Charlie is a cool nerd type, Amy is great as the mousey girl next door, Peter Vincent is an extremely memorable hunter, in fact, everyone down to the one-scene detective is memorable!


No, no, no, no no. I'm talking about this Fright Night:http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062036/ ([url]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062036/[/url]) (aka. Night Fright)
I haven't seen the  Fright night you are talking about. Sorry for not including an IMDB link in my earlier post

I just reviewed this...90% Sheriff's office looking for somethign 8% college kids talking about their boring lives and 2% monster involvement.  100% suck


Title: Re: What Badness can't you tolerate?
Post by: Andrew on October 08, 2008, 07:55:12 PM
Bad comedy.  I can laugh at a bad science fiction movie, but trying to brute force my way through watching a bad comedy is painful.

Agreed on the boring part.  When I get stuck watching a boring film I start praying that one of the actors will go overboard with their performance, a terrible rubber monster will appear, or something - just about anything - will happen.


Title: Re: What Badness can't you tolerate?
Post by: Allhallowsday on October 08, 2008, 09:14:14 PM
6.) Box art that misrepresents anything going on in the film.
agreed. the one that springs to mind for me is this sleeve for LAST HOUSE ON THE LEFT
([url]http://www.best-horror-movies.com/image-files/last-house-on-the-left-dvd-cover.jpg[/url])
makes it look like some kind of spooky ghost movie with a haunted house?!?!?
UGH!!!  The dirty ratbastards!!  Why don't they put a "sexy," "violent" cover on?   Y'know something truly lurid.  The film might then find more of its audience.   :lookingup:


Title: Re: What Badness can't you tolerate?
Post by: zombie no.one on October 09, 2008, 06:23:34 AM
lol, there's even a ghostly skull in the top left corner. the film has no supernatural element at all  :question:


Title: Re: What Badness can't you tolerate?
Post by: Jack on October 09, 2008, 07:13:06 AM
Another thing I can't stand is what I call MTV style editing.  They use this a lot during fight scenes, throwing in a ton a fast cuts so you can't really tell what's going on.  Really awful film makers use it throughout the movie.  The god-awful "Death Tunnel" is probably the epitome of this rubbish.  Another thing I hate is when they do stuff like having a van driving down a road, they'll fast-forward it a ways, then back to normal speed.  Any stinkin' thing they can think of, they'll throw some editing gimmick on it.  Like some hyperactive nine year old got to play with the editing equipment.  A lot of jump scares fall into this category as well - take a movie that isn't the least bit scary, then flash a scary image on the screen accompanied by a loud noise.  It's about as scary - and annoying - as having someone repeatedly sneak up behind you and yell boo!

Then there's the overuse of "artistic" style effects, like playing with the colors and contrast, etc.  Sasquatch Mountain is a prime example, that whole movie is extremely grainy and the colors are very washed out.  It looks hideous, like a worn out VHS tape.  Or in Dead Man Walking, the picture will be normal, then suddenly all the colors are shifted towards red, the contrast is way weird, etc.  If used with moderation, this stuff can add a mood to a movie.  Used without moderation it's just horrible.  And I don't even want to see one of these new movies where the film makers intentionally add print damage and all this other crap to make it look old.


Title: Re: What Badness can't you tolerate?
Post by: inframan on October 09, 2008, 09:12:59 AM
Bad comedy.  I can laugh at a bad science fiction movie, but trying to brute force my way through watching a bad comedy is painful.

Try watching Comedy Central durring the morning or day, they seem to have an endless catalog of unfunny 'comedy' movies. The other day I saw Meatballs 2, I watched it as a kid but today, pain, pure pain.


Title: Re: What Badness can't you tolerate?
Post by: Mr. DS on October 09, 2008, 12:02:25 PM
Farting in movies.  Its not funny any more. I'm looking at you Troma and Mike Myers films. 


Title: Re: What Badness can't you tolerate?
Post by: Psycho Circus on October 09, 2008, 03:00:09 PM
Constant references to "Weed"  :thumbdown:


Title: Re: What Badness can't you tolerate?
Post by: ghouck on October 09, 2008, 04:30:02 PM
Constant references to "Weed"  :thumbdown:

Good one, I hate the 'stoner flicks' that aren't funny at all (unless you're high apparently), and soley target the stoner crowd. That stupid one Jack Black is in is one, Half Baked is another. At least Cheech and Chong movies had some originality and wit to them.


Title: Re: What Badness can't you tolerate?
Post by: KYGOTC on October 10, 2008, 12:05:17 AM
Constant references to "Weed"  :thumbdown:

 At least Cheech and Chong movies had some originality and wit to them.

Not to mention Paul Rubens!!


Title: Re: What Badness can't you tolerate?
Post by: JaseSF on October 11, 2008, 04:34:19 PM
The films with scene after scene of characters walking and talking or scene after scene of cars/vans/trucks driving from place to place. MONSTER FROM GREEN HELL is a great example of the boring talking/walking stuff, so are most of Jerry Warren's films. Despite the fact I still tend to watch this type of movie and even own some of them, I often find them quite the chore to sit through.


Title: Re: What Badness can't you tolerate?
Post by: darthchicken on October 13, 2008, 07:27:55 PM
The "______" Movie series makes me want to kill myself..


Title: Re: What Badness can't you tolerate?
Post by: kakihara on October 13, 2008, 08:07:11 PM
how about THE MARINE. my roomate bought it today and watched it. i tried to, but i could only stand about 15 minutes. it was horrible, at least for me. its one of those movies where everything is perfect, especially the main character. by perfect, i mean appearing to be successful in everyway. nice house, nice land rover, nice tan, nice wife, etc. i didnt get to see much action, but the little that i saw was over the top and just embarrassing. explosions and puns. i can watch something like commando or rambo all day, but i just couldnt stand this movie. 


Title: Re: What Badness can't you tolerate?
Post by: voltron on October 13, 2008, 10:04:37 PM
Bad CGI. No wait, any CGI.


Title: Re: What Badness can't you tolerate?
Post by: Psycho Circus on October 14, 2008, 05:07:30 AM
Bad CGI. No wait, any CGI.

Totally  :thumbup: I can't stand the stuff  :teddyr:


Title: Re: What Badness can't you tolerate?
Post by: Fishasaurus on October 14, 2008, 05:15:52 PM
Give me lame acting, crap dialogue and monsters in rubber suits, but you can just keep it if it's boring.  And you can spare me movies with bad, transparent, stiffly-moving, shiny-skinned, cartoony-looking CGI menaces.  Unless they're Pteranodons.


Title: Re: What Badness can't you tolerate?
Post by: KYGOTC on October 14, 2008, 07:36:24 PM
The "______" Movie series makes me want to kill myself..

THANK YOU. :cheers: