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Title: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: Metropolisforever on October 10, 2008, 10:12:01 AM
As a result of the poor box office showing for that god-awful An American Carol, the film's website suggested that "ticket fraud" had occurred, where moviegoers had bought tickets for An American Carol, but had instead been given tickets to see another film, in an attempt to artificially minimize the film's box office draw. The page has since been taken down.

Also, the film was not screened for critics. Director David Zucker said that this was because the studio did not believe it would get a fair hearing from critics, due to its conservative political viewpoint.

Apparently, it's all part of a vast left-wing conspiracy to destroy all conservative films.

Yeah, whatever.

Hey, Zucker, did you ever think that maybe the film bombed because it sucks ass?  I mean, really, this has got to be among the worst films I have ever seen, filled with horribly unfunny "jokes", nasty attacks against Michael Moore, and racist, sexist, homophobic, anti-Semitic, xenophobic, and just plain ignorant ramblings.

Michael Moore could certainly be a good target for satire, but this movie isn't satire.  It's nasty, ugly, mean, and, not to mention, highly unfunny.  It's like a right-wing version of Seltzerburg.

Next time you make a movie, Zucker, why don't you try to actually, well, you know, be funny, instead of just trying to cram your bigoted views down people's throats.

An American Carol is about as unfunny as "comedy" can get.

Of course, feel free to post your opinions on this travesty.


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: inframan on October 10, 2008, 10:35:51 AM
I didnt see it, but the commercial looked like one of those 'reference movies' like epic movie, I thought it was made by those same morons.  Actually I don't like even calling those movies, its an insut to the medium.


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: AnubisVonMojo on October 10, 2008, 12:13:49 PM
This reminds me of Uwe Boll's statement on why theaters didn't want to carry Postal after months of vowing that his movie would outdo Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Turd. Instead of admitting Postal probably wouldn't hold the mainstream appeal (and money) that theater owners usually prefer from the movies they show, he vowed that his movie was being unfairly ignored because of it's "controversial" content and that it was tantamount to censorship... I'm still not sure whether he's a dumbass or a jackass.


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: Metropolisforever on October 10, 2008, 12:55:24 PM
This reminds me of Uwe Boll's statement on why theaters didn't want to carry Postal after months of vowing that his movie would outdo Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Turd. Instead of admitting Postal probably wouldn't hold the mainstream appeal (and money) that theater owners usually prefer from the movies they show, he vowed that his movie was being unfairly ignored because of it's "controversial" content and that it was tantamount to censorship... I'm still not sure whether he's a dumbass or a jackass.

The official Razzies website has compared An American Carol to Postal, calling it "similarly tasteless (and similarly pointless)".  In fact, many of the so-called "jokes" in An American Carol are IDENTICAL to the so-called "jokes" in Postal... even the so-called "jokes" in the trailers are the same.

An American Carol is so heavy-handed that it actually goes far beyond self-parody.  It's really hard not to keep staring at the screen in disbelief.


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: Torgo on October 10, 2008, 02:23:31 PM
I'm still not sure whether he's a dumbass or a jackass.

(http://www.screenhead.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/uwe_boll_finger.jpg)
"Uwe resembles that remark."   :tongueout:


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: AnubisVonMojo on October 10, 2008, 02:27:34 PM
Yeah, I guess he can be both.  :tongueout:


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: Ryantherebel on October 10, 2008, 09:43:30 PM
"An American Carol" is one of those movies were you just knew it was going to bomb from the get go. I can't believe you managed to sit through that film Metropolisforev. What was the worst part (or parts) about it?


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: Metropolisforever on October 13, 2008, 11:23:21 AM
"An American Carol" is one of those movies were you just knew it was going to bomb from the get go. I can't believe you managed to sit through that film Metropolisforev. What was the worst part (or parts) about it?

The whole movie was astonishingly hateful and unfunny.  There are no women in major roles in the film, apart from the exceedingly small role of Michael's assistant. Otherwise, they are either sex objects for leering; screeching, menstruating witches; or butch, angry lesbians (and sometimes a mixture of those.)  As expected, the film is openly hostile to any religion that is not Christianity (and, I'm guessing, Evangelical Christianity, at that). Islam is, of course, shown as being simply the religion of terrorists and no one else. Judaism is given a backhand slap in a scene where Mike is shown the future if we had not fought the Civil War; he, ludicrously, lives in the South and owns slaves. At one point, they begin to serenade him with "Hava Negila."  Not only is this blatant anti-Semitism, but it's really ignorant, too.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but Michael Moore is Catholic, right? And, also, if there were a South that was its own country, am I expected to believe that a LIBERAL would be living there and owning slaves, in direct counter to his beliefs? Nice try, movie... but that still doesn't distract me from wondering why you hate Jews. Later, American soldiers are shown having a Christian prayer meeting just before going off to fight the good fight -- which is a pretty direct insult to all our brave fighting men and women who do not ascribe to that particular belief system.

The alleged "satire" of Michael Moore is incredibly shallow, and mostly revolves around him being "fat", ugly, smelly, ect.  Also, much of the "humor" revolves around Micheal Moore being attacked, insulted, injured, ect.

P.S.: As a personal note, if somebody who reads this knows David Zucker, please tell him that if he's going to trash on documentary films as "not being real movies" over 20 times throughout his flick, he might want to make a movie that looks like it cost more than a hundred bucks.


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: Rev. Powell on October 13, 2008, 01:13:15 PM
  As expected, the film is openly hostile to any religion that is not Christianity (and, I'm guessing, Evangelical Christianity, at that). Islam is, of course, shown as being simply the religion of terrorists and no one else. Judaism is given a backhand slap in a scene where Mike is shown the future if we had not fought the Civil War; he, ludicrously, lives in the South and owns slaves. At one point, they begin to serenade him with "Hava Negila."  Not only is this blatant anti-Semitism, but it's really ignorant, too.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but Michael Moore is Catholic, right? And, also, if there were a South that was its own country, am I expected to believe that a LIBERAL would be living there and owning slaves, in direct counter to his beliefs? Nice try, movie... but that still doesn't distract me from wondering why you hate Jews. Later, American soldiers are shown having a Christian prayer meeting just before going off to fight the good fight -- which is a pretty direct insult to all our brave fighting men and women who do not ascribe to that particular belief system.


I'm 99% certain that Zucker is Jewish.


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: indianasmith on October 13, 2008, 05:45:36 PM
I stand by my original review on this one.

Some jokes worked, some didn't, but it was still funnier than any of the last five Hollywood spoofs I've seen - it certainly ran rings around SUPERHERO MOVIE, EPIC MOVIE, and SCARY MOVIE II. 

Of course, that's not saying much.  The spoof genre has fallen on hard times.


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: HappyGilmore on October 13, 2008, 09:53:35 PM
Wasn't Zucker one of the producers behind Airplane/Naked Gun?

If so, what happened?  He went from them to Scary Movie 3. :buggedout:


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: Scott123 on October 14, 2008, 10:28:05 AM

Oh ... you mean like Michael Moore's movies?
 It's about time someone made a movie mocking that fat, useless pig.




Michael Moore could certainly be a good target for satire, but this movie isn't satire.  It's nasty, ugly, mean, and, not to mention, highly unfunny. 



Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: Metropolisforever on October 14, 2008, 10:44:05 AM

Oh ... you mean like Michael Moore's movies?
 It's about time someone made a movie mocking that fat, useless pig.




Michael Moore could certainly be a good target for satire, but this movie isn't satire.  It's nasty, ugly, mean, and, not to mention, highly unfunny. 



Many conservatives are praising this movie, but not because it's funny.  Because they want to see Michael Moore getting hit over the head with a frying pan.

Conservative nuts will praise any movie that supports their views, no matter how awful it is.

Thank you, Scott123, for proving my point.

P.S.: I am not a liberal.  I am an independent thinker.


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: schmendrik on October 14, 2008, 12:01:54 PM

Oh ... you mean like Michael Moore's movies?
 It's about time someone made a movie mocking that fat, useless pig.

To paraphase the typical discussion with Moore-haters about his
movies:

"What specifically don't you like about Moore's movies?"
"Michael Moore is fat."
"Yeah, but what about his movies?"
"They're liberal. They're full of lies. And Michael Moore is fat."
"Can you point out one of these lies?"
"... [long pause] ... Michael Moore is fat. And his movies are liberal."



Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: Nukie 2 on October 14, 2008, 04:19:58 PM
He's a real winner, he hasn't been funny in years; decades.


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: Metropolisforever on October 15, 2008, 08:49:58 AM
Quote from: Scott123
An obvious comment from a left-winger


I love it how conservatives always think that "left-winger" is the worst possible insult, and that anyone who doesn't agree with their views is a "left-winger".

Nice try, Scott, but I think THIS is where you belong: http://www.kkk.bz/.

A site for straight, white, male, Baptist, American, God-fearing conservatives!


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: Nukie 2 on October 15, 2008, 09:13:14 AM
I love it how some people either must fully be capitalist or socialist.
Like there is a perfect system for humanity and complexities.
Gimmie a break.


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: Trevor on October 16, 2008, 08:28:37 AM
I'm still not sure whether he's a dumbass or a jackass.

([url]http://www.screenhead.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/uwe_boll_finger.jpg[/url])
"Uwe resembles that remark."   :tongueout:


 :teddyr: You go, Uncle Uwe!  :drink:


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: Scott123 on October 20, 2008, 09:49:41 AM
YOU refer me to a KKK site and you think I'm a little over the top??? I think it's time for your meds there, Metropolis.


Nice try, Scott, but I think THIS is where you belong: [url]http://www.kkk.bz/.[/url]

A site for straight, white, male, Baptist, American, God-fearing conservatives!


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: AndyC on October 20, 2008, 11:14:28 AM
And, also, if there were a South that was its own country, am I expected to believe that a LIBERAL would be living there and owning slaves, in direct counter to his beliefs? Nice try, movie...

Not defending the movie (which from the trailer looks like a good idea badly executed), but I think the point there was that if history had followed a different course, he might not have held the same beliefs, which is reasonable. Sounds like the movie is bad enough that nobody needs to go picking holes in it. I'm not sure I understand all the hostility over a failed political comedy.

And although I agree that some of Scott's comments are inappropriate, he does make one good point. It is ironic that someone would be upset by a "nasty, ugly, mean and unfunny" movie aimed at Michael Moore.

It's less ironic that a post calling someone "hateful" could itself be so full of vitriol. That seems to be the norm these days.


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: Nukie 2 on October 20, 2008, 11:39:54 AM
Well, yeah, everyone knows Micheal Moore is a showman.

Common knowlege that not just anyone can go into Cuba on a motorboat and expect treatment, or to even be seen by a doctor. And the whole thing with the validity on Cuba's healthcare has to really be picked apart.


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: AndyC on October 20, 2008, 02:38:33 PM
Anyhoo, with the namecalling, liberal/conservative putdowns and assorted hyperbole, this has gone from movie thread to political thread, and is thus open to hijacking under the Menard Convention of 2008.

Here's a dog.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/af/Shetland_Sheepdog_Bentley.jpg/617px-Shetland_Sheepdog_Bentley.jpg)


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: Rev. Powell on October 20, 2008, 03:06:39 PM
Here's a more talented dog.

(http://www.inhats.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/unicycledog-inhat.gif)


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: AndyC on October 20, 2008, 03:14:32 PM
Can't rightly say what species these guys are, but they're pretty talented.
(http://www.culturekitchen.com/home/images/spongemonkeys.png)


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: Metropolisforever on October 20, 2008, 03:33:16 PM
Can't rightly say what species these guys are, but they're pretty talented.
([url]http://www.culturekitchen.com/home/images/spongemonkeys.png[/url])


That picture depicts the old Quizno's Subs rat mascot.

By the way, this thread is still about the movie.  You can post as many dog pictures as you want, but you're not going to change that.


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: Rev. Powell on October 20, 2008, 04:11:03 PM

By the way, this thread is still about the movie.  You can post as many dog pictures as you want, but you're not going to change that.

Thanks for the permission to post dog photos.

I was under the impression that this thread had turned into pointless bickering and partisan misrepresentations, but if anyone wants to continue discussing the movie, go ahead.


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: inframan on October 20, 2008, 04:13:31 PM
I heard that the movie is a real dog.


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: Psycho Circus on October 20, 2008, 04:39:46 PM
My dog brings all the boys to the yard... :lookingup:


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: Terf on October 20, 2008, 05:09:41 PM
I read a review on a Christian website bashing it for it's crude humor and tasteless jokes. I do think that Hollywood is unfairly left-wing (which I've seen in viewing the most recent episodes of Family Guy), and I wouldn't mind seeing some  satire of that political landscape, but this style of movie is not the way to go about it.


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: AndyC on October 20, 2008, 05:44:19 PM
That picture depicts the old Quizno's Subs rat mascot.


Actually, they were around before the Quizno's commercials.
http://www.rathergood.com/moon_song/ (http://www.rathergood.com/moon_song/)
And thanks for responding to a joke as if it were a serious statement. Now I don't know what to think. I mean, if you don't even know a joke when you see one, can you reliably critique a comedy? I must think on this.

Anyway, here's a dog.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/27/Tri-colored-pom-fuzzybutt.jpg/706px-Tri-colored-pom-fuzzybutt.jpg)


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: Psycho Circus on October 21, 2008, 03:23:10 AM
Here's a zombie dog

(http://www.all4mypet.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/ugly-dog-pic.jpg)


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: Terf on October 22, 2008, 12:48:32 AM
Here's a zombie dog

([url]http://www.all4mypet.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/ugly-dog-pic.jpg[/url])


That is the epitome of an ugly-ass dog.

I believe I saw him in at least one screamer.  :lookingup:


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: CheezeFlixz on October 22, 2008, 06:29:19 PM
I found it really funny, but I find funnier and sad is the amount of energy liberals put into destroying all things conservative.

The left has more than there fair share of movies, the right gets ONE and it must be destroyed ... truly pathetic.


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: AndyC on October 22, 2008, 06:41:30 PM
I agree, Cheeze. Republicans get plenty of cheap shots from comedians and nobody says a word. I'm Canadian, so I don't really care, but as a matter of principle, this should be no worse.

Argh, what am I doing?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4a/BuddyTheBassettHound.jpg/449px-BuddyTheBassettHound.jpg)
That's better.


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: Allhallowsday on October 22, 2008, 07:19:15 PM
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff259/allhallowsday/nattie.jpg)


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: Mr. DS on October 22, 2008, 07:28:28 PM
Heres a little something for you all...
(http://www.petco.com/Assets/product_images/0/038100535863B.jpg)


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: AndyC on October 22, 2008, 07:40:03 PM
Oh, I never mentioned what happened to my dog the other night. I let him out for a pee at bedtime, and he promptly dove after a small animal that was lurking around the side of our house in the dark - a small, black, furry animal with a white stripe down its back. I didn't actually see it, but I didn't need to. Needless to say, the thing sprayed, and just about gagged me standing on the porch, yanking on the leash. I had Briar on the Flexi, thank goodness, so I was a good distance away.

Thankfully, the skunk's aim was a little off (caught by surprise, it probably opted for a wide spray and a quick getaway), but some of it caught Briar. I bedded the poor guy down in the garage overnight. I scrubbed him with peroxide and baking soda in the morning and hosed him down. All of this was made even more unpleasant for him by unseasonably freezing cold weather. He still has a faint skunky smell, but it's faint enough that he can sleep in our bedroom.

I think I'm going to put in a light over in that part of the yard.


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: Metropolisforever on October 30, 2008, 08:29:23 AM
You're right, I was out of line with the KKK thing.  However, Scott123 is being very immature with his CONSTANT changing of my karma.


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: BTM on October 30, 2008, 10:40:34 AM

He still has a faint skunky smell, but it's faint enough that he can sleep in our bedroom.

I think I'm going to put in a light over in that part of the yard.

Hey, William Shatner had a similar problem both with one of his dogs, and being sprayed by a skunk once himself.  He said the thing to do was use tomato sauce, it does a good job getting rid of the smell.  (Course, then your dog will smell like Italian cuisine, but hey, that's better than the other thing, right?)


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: Metropolisforever on October 30, 2008, 10:54:02 AM
By the way, here's a cat, for a change:

(http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/9693/curlycalico2zi2.gif)

 :wink:


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: Psycho Circus on October 30, 2008, 11:02:05 AM
Here's the latest fashion...

(http://www.vicissitude.net/Images/Cat-CatHat.jpg)


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: Raffine on October 30, 2008, 11:02:15 AM

He still has a faint skunky smell, but it's faint enough that he can sleep in our bedroom.

I think I'm going to put in a light over in that part of the yard.


Hey, William Shatner had a similar problem both with one of his dogs, and being sprayed by a skunk once himself.  He said the thing to do was use tomato sauce, it does a good job getting rid of the smell.  (Course, then your dog will smell like Italian cuisine, but hey, that's better than the other thing, right?)


Having four dogs that have had several adventures with skunks (They are slow learners. Thank goodness we don't have porcupines!) I can say the best remedy is simple white vinegar.  Fill a spray bottle with white vinegar and spray the stinkin' mutt until its coat is wet. As it dries the vinegar odor dissappears as well.

It pretty much kills the odor instantly and you don't have to rise it out of the dog's fur.  It's not nearly as objectionable to the dog as the peroxide and tomato juice and, having tried all three methods, I can say it it by far the most effective. I keep a spray bottle of white vinegar handy at all times just for emergencies.


I see your cat hat and raise you -
CAT WIGS
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t214/morrisawilliams/kittywigs.jpg)


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: Flangepart on October 30, 2008, 11:43:39 AM
Each cat looks like its planning revenge for embarrassment. Beware!

I can't help think, that if the same gags were used, but attached to the 'correct targets', more reviews would give it a pass. I've seen reviews where mentioning the politically correct theme of the film was important to the reviewer.
Passes were given for haveing the 'proper' view.
Mind you, Right leaning critices will do the same thing, but they stand out for being on of 'them', as it were.
The 'normal' guys...not so much. Least not among their peers.


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: peter johnson on October 31, 2008, 11:03:41 AM
I don't do political or sociological discussion well on boards, so I tend not to open what I know will be politically charged threads.  I wonder what it is about the internet that makes me degenerate so quickly into insults and name-calling?  I used to be able to write measured, well-thought-out letters to the editor & articles for small publications, but get me in an internet thread about society and politics, and I quickly take offense & start offending others . . . someone needs to study this phenomena. 

Anyway, I was pleasantly surprised that this one is trying to leaven things with the dog and cat pictures.  It's hard to take your own positions too seriously when surrounded by pets.  Especially cats in wigs . . .

I believe the original Quizno's "rats" from rathergood were cobbled together from Madagascarian lemurs -- particularly the Ai-ai.  Everyone sing now:  "We love the moon . . .".

My cats sleep in the garage & don't even move when the skunks and raccoons come in to eat their food.  I know because I've shone flashlights out there on noises & "startled" them all on more than one occasion -- I put "startled" in quotes, because the skunks never spray, they just look into the flashlight & slowly waddle out the door.  The cats are more bothered by the flashlight than they are bothered by their suburban neighbors.  Maybe it's the laid-back rural lifestyle of Longmont that breeds them that way.

I think it's possible to do a film that makes fun of both Left and Right politics as well as liberal and conservative points of view, Communism and Capitalism, all at the same time:  Anyone ever see James Cagney in "One. . . Two . . . Three"?  Patriots and Fellow-Travelers alike are all shown to be Emperors with no clothes & human clowns.  Anthony Perkins is especially funny as an ineffective wanna-be leftist "revolutionary".  I want another movie like that one, that takes its shots at everyone and everything surrounding the "serious" human endeavour of politics and social reform.  Make fun of what I believe in all you like, but plleeeeaaaassseeee make it FUNNY!!

peter groucho marx/denny john lennon



Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: AndyC on October 31, 2008, 11:44:23 PM
Oh, further to the skunk story, the little fellow was back last weekend. This time, I walked out the door after dark, on my way to the store, and I heard some rustling beside the porch. I froze, and once my eyes adjusted, there was just enough light from the basement window to make him out. The shape was still a little obscure, but that double white stripe popped right out. What surprised me most was that it was shortly before eight o'clock, not late at all.

I just stood there and watched him do that little skunk waddle over to the detached garage and start trying to drag away a small bag of car garbage (mostly food wrappers and coffee cups) that had been placed next to the garage but not actually put inside. It was this bad habit that most likely brought him around the previous time. I have to admit that skunks are fun to watch, even if this one was scattering cups and wrappers across my lawn. I wasn't about to chase him off anyway, since he already demonstrated his quick draw on the dog.

The only real problem was that he was between me and the vehicles, and very close to the driver's door of the van. I ended up walking to the store, which took a little longer, but also improved the odds that the little bugger would be gone when I returned. He was, and there has been no garbage out there since, so he hasn't been back. Once again, our only wild animal is Strawberry the chipmunk, who has a burrow under the garage steps. We've made him sort of an honorary pet. He's very tame.


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: Metropolisforever on October 31, 2008, 11:55:59 PM
Well, if my dog saw a skunk outside, she would probably pull my arm off and break the skunk's neck.

My other dog, however, would probably be more interested in sniffing the dead worms on the ground. :wink:


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: AndyC on November 01, 2008, 12:02:16 AM
Well, if my dog saw a skunk outside, she would probably pull my arm off and break the skunk's neck.

That's exactly what my dog tried to do, but he turned tail pretty fast when the skunk opened up on him. I'd say he learned a lesson, but he never learns.


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: Andrew on November 01, 2008, 09:34:27 AM
I only ran across the vinegar treatment for skunk spray a few years ago.  Unfortunately, I needed to know about it when I was growing up.  Our dogs tended to go after skunks.  When a dog tangles with a skunk, the owner loses.

My dog Zeus was the only dog I ever had to pushed home an attack on a skunk despite getting sprayed.  He tore the skunk apart.  He was also about 90 lbs of boxer, seeming to be more like a mastiff.  He had a thing about blackbirds too.  He would charge down the yard, causing the birds to take to the air.  Zeus would then leap and snatch a bird out of midair.  When he hit the ground with it he shook it to pieces.  Feathers went everywhere.


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: Flangepart on November 01, 2008, 10:10:30 AM
Peter : 1-2-3 is a great Cagny movie. Good choice! :cheers:

My friend Marcella has a bunch of black house cats camping out in her yard. She calls them ' peacock cats' after the X-Files eph.
Anyhoo, one night, she put an old disk shaped lava lamp on the porch, and turned it on.
The cats all sat in front of it.
Just stareing at the lamp...
I told her they were worshipping at the alter. If they start bringing 'offering', she better get a shotgun.
She said she hopes they don't start chanting.


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: Dennis on November 01, 2008, 10:13:38 AM
(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q122/DENNISDURWARDHAMMOND/iwr1.jpg) 


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: Torgo on November 02, 2008, 01:01:21 PM
I don't think that the spoof genre has been exhausted. I just think that no one knows how to make a good one anymore.


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: Yaddo 42 on November 02, 2008, 05:43:40 PM
This thread has gone off in much more fun directions, but I'll post this anyway.

I called BS on Zuckerman griping about liberal bias and ticket counting fruad against An American Carol. For one thing a movie that got a small-ish theatrical release like this, will make most of it's money (if it makes any) on home video. IMO Zucker knows this, he's been around the business long enough; and he's been involved with the kind of cheap spoof films (comedy of low expectations I call them) that get seen more as rentals and on cable than in theaters.

If liberals can jimmy the system to make AAC look like it has performed worse than it "really" did, why have they not managed to to take down Fireproof, Kirk Cameron's flick, as well? From what I've seen that film has done quite well, and has "legs"  rather than just making its money in the first few weeks.

I live in a fairly conservative area in the South. Lots of fundamentalist churches, lots of "I [Heart] Sarah" signs on the lawns (more than the McCain/Palin signs from what I can tell), lots of people who live by what Fox News says, two talk radio stations in town: one all conservative talk & the other mostly conservative except for Ed Schultz in the early evening and Stephanie Miller on weekends, lots of country radio stations and low power religious stations, a full power gospel music station that is always near the top of local ratings, we just got draft beer legalized less than two years ago after a nasty vote, alcohol can only be sold for on-site consumption on Sundays (another recent change). Lots of "Fall Festivals" instead of Halloween parties at the schools, although I think the alternative "Hell Houses" the churches usually offer to counter "spook house" have fallen off in popularity. Many years ago when The Last Temptation of Christ first aired on pay cable, people picketed the cable company's offices trying to get them to scramble the signal, not just because they didn't want to see it, but because they didn't want others to have the choice of watching it either. Pretty clear I'm deep in red state territory.

With that explanation, Fireproof is still playing here, just as Facing the Giants played for several months. Religilous never played here (no surprise). An American Carol played for two weeks and was gone, just like the last film I went to see How to Lose Friends and Alienate People (it sucked, nearly walked out). Delta Farce played for quite a while here, people here love the Blue Collar Comedy bunch and Larry the Cable Guy in particular, so dumb comedy with names popular in red state territory usually does well here.

So I'll cap this thread killer of a post with a simple explanation after all my rambling:

Maybe David Zucker made a crappy film people don't want to see, and he should accept it.


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: BTM on November 07, 2008, 07:16:50 PM
My dog Zeus was the only dog I ever had to pushed home an attack on a skunk despite getting sprayed.  He tore the skunk apart.  He was also about 90 lbs of boxer, seeming to be more like a mastiff.  He had a thing about blackbirds too.  He would charge down the yard, causing the birds to take to the air.  Zeus would then leap and snatch a bird out of midair.  When he hit the ground with it he shook it to pieces.  Feathers went everywhere.

Wow... was this dog SAFE to be around? He sounds a little aggressive, to say the least.


Title: Skunks and Dogs (was Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb)
Post by: BTM on November 07, 2008, 07:24:49 PM
You know, all the talk about skunks reminds me a funny commercial I remember years.  It was an advertisement for a board game based on The Babysitter's Club series of books, and it showed disaster scenarios young babysitters could get into.  Well, one I remember is the part where the show this little girl, like seven or show, she's kneeling next to an open kitchen door, she's got a bowl of a milk on the crowd and a SKUNK is lapping it while she pets the creature, saying, "Nice kitty!"

Hehehe.


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: Jim H on November 09, 2008, 10:42:23 PM
They have the first ten minutes of An American Carol online somewhere.  I thought that bit was quite unfunny (the style reminded me of Spy Hard, only somehow less funny).  It's hard to believe he was one of the writers and directors of Airplane, one of the funniest movies ever made.  He also contributed writing to Kentucky Fried Movie, which has some really inspired moments.  I was thinking maybe it was because he had his brothers and the Abrahams working with him, but he solo-directed the first Naked Gun.  I guess he just totally lost it.

Oh yeah, and here's a catdog

(http://theleek.net/articles/science_technology/images/catdog.jpg)


Title: Re: David Zucker's Pathetic Reaction to Box Office Bomb
Post by: Psycho Circus on November 10, 2008, 06:42:40 AM
Here's a cat paying the bagpipes

(http://www.scotsindependent.org/2005/051014/cat_bagpipe.jpg)