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Title: The Conqueror
Post by: Andrew on November 23, 2008, 09:58:03 AM
Who is the last person you would expect to play the part of Genghis Khan?  If John Wayne was the first name that came to mind, you get a cookie.  Enjoy that cookie.

Click here to go to the Review (http://www.badmovies.org/movies/conqueror/)


Title: Re: The Conqueror
Post by: Ed, Ego and Superego on November 23, 2008, 01:13:39 PM
You did it!!! You took on the Duke at his most embarassing.   Great job on one of the biggest "huh?"'s in movie hstory.  Its only a blessing they didn't make it a musical.
-Ed


Title: Re: The Conqueror
Post by: somerandomguy on November 23, 2008, 11:06:13 PM
Filmed near the site of contemporaneous nuclear testing grounds, the set was contaminated by nuclear fallout. After location shooting, much dirt from the location was transported back to Hollywood in order to match interior shooting done there. Scores of cast and crew members developed forms of cancer over the next two decades, many more than the normal percentage of a random group of this size. Quite a few died from cancer or cancer-related problems, including John Wayne, Susan Hayward, Pedro Armendáriz (who shot himself to death soon after learning he had terminal cancer), Agnes Moorehead, 'Thomas Gomez', John Hoyt and director Dick Powell. People magazine researched the subsequent health of the cast and crew, which it published in November 1980. By the time of the article's publication, 91 of the 220 members of the film's cast and crew had contracted cancer, and half of these had died from the disease. The figures did not include several hundred local American Indians who served as extras on the set. Nor did it include relatives who had visited cast and crew members on the set, such as the Duke's son Michael Wayne. The People article quoted the reaction of a scientist from the Pentagon's Defense Nuclear Agency to the news: "Please, God, don't let us have killed John Wayne".


Title: Re: The Conqueror
Post by: sardu on November 24, 2008, 12:20:45 PM
Well, that's quite the little buzzkill.   :thumbdown:


Title: Re: The Conqueror
Post by: WingedSerpent on November 25, 2008, 09:59:09 AM
I love the clip.  I don't know which would have been funnier: if he had tried to do an accent or the fact that he still talked like John Wayne.  I kept waiting for him to call someone "Partner"  or "Pilgram".


Title: Re: The Conqueror
Post by: Erskine on November 25, 2008, 11:07:58 AM
This is the film that taught me the word "Perifdy"...


Title: Re: The Conqueror
Post by: Chris on November 27, 2008, 07:26:00 PM
Oh my god! This movie gave people cancer!


Title: Re: The Conqueror
Post by: Intangible Skeleton on November 28, 2008, 12:06:25 PM
So... This film killed John Wayne?

(In a far more literal way than when people say Street Fighter killed Raul Julia)



Damn.


Title: Re: The Conqueror
Post by: Flangepart on November 28, 2008, 12:34:17 PM
Man, what a sad, sad mess.
Proof that even the best of us can cram a turkey into a resume.
Some actors, make a turducken on that concept...


Title: Re: The Conqueror
Post by: Andrew on November 29, 2008, 03:14:45 PM
So... This film killed John Wayne?

Oh my god! This movie gave people cancer!

It's hard not to laugh at the insanity that cast John Wayne as Genghis Khan (apparently he chose the part of all things), but the evidence that the making of this film caused so much misery definitely brings you down.  It is a film that deserves to be notorious for more than one reason.


Title: Re: The Conqueror
Post by: Rev. Powell on November 29, 2008, 08:53:59 PM
So... This film killed John Wayne?


Oh my god! This movie gave people cancer!


It's hard not to laugh at the insanity that cast John Wayne as Genghis Khan (apparently he chose the part of all things), but the evidence that the making of this film caused so much misery definitely brings you down.  It is a film that deserves to be notorious for more than one reason.


"[Billionaire producer] Howard Hughes was said to have felt 'guilty as hell' about the whole affair, although as far as I can tell it never occurred to anyone to sue him. For various reasons he withdrew The Conqueror from circulation, and for years thereafter the only person who saw it was Hughes himself, who screened it night after night during his paranoid last years."

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/374/did-john-wayne-die-of-cancer-caused-by-a-radioactive-movie-set



Title: Re: The Conqueror
Post by: Flangepart on December 08, 2008, 12:32:47 PM
Ya know, Yul Brenner could have pulled this off...his confident smerk would have added to the fun.


Title: Re: The Conqueror
Post by: Tartar Control on December 09, 2008, 07:10:12 PM
Your review suggests you're a tad peeved at women in general. If it's that bad, there are alternatives, sailor. :cheers:


Title: Re: The Conqueror
Post by: Andrew on December 09, 2008, 10:13:50 PM
Your review suggests you're a tad peeved at women in general. If it's that bad, there are alternatives, sailor.

I'm usually a tad peeved at something, but when I am really annoyed I avoid trying to write.  In this case it was just fun to work on the relationship angle of John Wayne and Susan Hayward's interaction.

Besides, by this point I think we can safely assume that while I might find some parts of women frustrating, I also find parts of them fun.  The "sailor" bit amuses me, because I tend to hear it said online to me - but never in person.  Odd, that.


Title: Re: The Conqueror
Post by: Trevor on December 10, 2008, 02:32:16 AM
 :smile: Thanks for the review, Andrew.  :thumbup:

My Dad used to tell me about this film a lot when I was young and it horrified me to learn that so many of the cast and crew had developed and died from cancer. He always said that the film wasn't so bad, it was what happened afterwards that was bad.

The other Howard Hughes film that my Dad talked about was The Outlaw ~ all he would say about it was "Great gazongas!"  :teddyr:


Title: Re: The Conqueror
Post by: Trevor on December 10, 2008, 02:41:03 AM
  The "sailor" bit amuses me, because I tend to hear it said online to me - but never in person.  Odd, that.

 :teddyr: :teddyr: That's more material for Dr Menard to work on.  :wink:

At our film lab the other day, a guy told me "Sit down, girlfriend, I'll see where Jenny is."

Girlfriend?  :smile:


Title: Re: The Conqueror
Post by: atommo on December 10, 2008, 01:03:55 PM
Great job, Andrew, as always. I've always wanted to review this movie. Is it known whether or not Howard Hughes actually knew the affects of the radiation would be that bad? Perhaps back then there wasn't as much information about it.

On another note, responding to Reply #5: I first learned the meaning of the word "perfidy" by reviewing I Was a Teenage Frankenstein. "Perfidy, thy name is woman!"


Title: Re: The Conqueror
Post by: Kate1982 on February 27, 2009, 11:01:35 AM
Actually, the only motivation in the film I halfway understood was the female lead. The reason she had the change of heart after watching Ghengis Khan get beaten was because it was her first time seeing him as a vulnerable human being rather than a horrible, loud brute trying to rape and beat her every few seconds.

But as you say, yes. It's a wonderfully bad film in every way.


Title: Re: The Conqueror
Post by: Rich L. on August 30, 2009, 02:14:21 PM
A tad peeved at women? Whoever wrote this obviously hates women. My word the things he said. And for the record, not all men think like you do. Very few in fact.  :thumbdown:


Title: Re: The Conqueror
Post by: Rev. Powell on August 30, 2009, 08:57:29 PM
A tad peeved at women? Whoever wrote this obviously hates women. My word the things he said. And for the record, not all men think like you do.

True enough.  Only the ones with a sense of humor think like that.


Title: Re: The Conqueror
Post by: Andrew on August 31, 2009, 07:03:46 PM
A tad peeved at women? Whoever wrote this obviously hates women. My word the things he said. And for the record, not all men think like you do. Very few in fact.  :thumbdown:

Was this the part that annoyed you?

Quote from: The Review
That insane unpredictability is why men want to conquer the world. We are trying to get away from the craziness that women subject us to on a daily basis. The fellows whose homes we are pillaging know exactly why we are out burning and looting everything in sight. They want to fight us. They're like, "Woman driving you crazy? Yeah, mine too! I'll get my sword! Thank goodness you came along when you did!"

Girls, I am not joking. Us men think like this, and it's your fault.

My reviews tend towards free association essays that are influenced by the movies.  If you have not seen the movie, you really should.  Genghis Khan (John Wayne) spends the entire movie slapping the bejeezus out of Bortai (Susan Hayward), while saying the rudest, sexist things.  Suddenly, she falls in love with him.