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Title: HarlotBug3: Kindly Change Your Avatar
Post by: Menard on March 02, 2009, 07:38:27 PM
There are several members of this forum, myself included, who find your avatar to be particularly sick.

Some of us don't even want to participate in a thread in which you have posted as we do not want to look at it.

You may actually find the board to be more responsive, such as people replying to your posts more often, if you didn't succeed in grossing them out first.

This is just a simple request for you to change your avatar.


Title: Re: HarlotBug3: Kindly Change Your Avatar
Post by: CheezeFlixz on March 03, 2009, 12:54:41 AM
Oh, does someones vagina hurt?


Title: Re: HarlotBug3: Kindly Change Your Avatar
Post by: Menaaard!!! on March 03, 2009, 06:47:25 AM
Oh, does someones vagina hurt?

Suck my wanger...girl


Title: Re: HarlotBug3: Kindly Change Your Avatar
Post by: Trevor on March 03, 2009, 07:58:58 AM
There are several members of this forum, myself included, who find your avatar to be particularly sick.

Some of us don't even want to participate in a thread in which you have posted as we do not want to look at it.

You may actually find the board to be more responsive, such as people replying to your posts more often, if you didn't succeed in grossing them out first.

This is just a simple request for you to change your avatar.

I don't actually mind HB3's avatar at all (I mean, look how awful mine looks  :lookingup:) but his avatar does remind me of myself before I had my teeth fixed. Yikes, I couldn't smile properly, never mind about eating OK.  :buggedout:


Title: Re: HarlotBug3: Kindly Change Your Avatar
Post by: CheezeFlixz on March 03, 2009, 09:25:58 AM
Oh, does someones vagina hurt?

Suck my wanger...girl

That must be "Menard Lite", as that was a really sad comeback.


Title: Re: HarlotBug3: Kindly Change Your Avatar
Post by: Menaaard!!! on March 03, 2009, 10:58:28 AM
Oh, does someones vagina hurt?

Suck my wanger...girl

That must be "Menard Lite", as that was a really sad comeback.

I really didn't see the need to waste the effort for anything more.


Title: Re: HarlotBug3: Kindly Change Your Avatar
Post by: CheezeFlixz on March 03, 2009, 01:10:42 PM
Oh, does someones vagina hurt?

Suck my wanger...girl

That must be "Menard Lite", as that was a really sad comeback.

I really didn't see the need to waste the effort for anything more.

Who knew it took so much effort for your snappy retorts. Well don't hurt yourself.


Title: Re: HarlotBug3: Kindly Change Your Avatar
Post by: schmendrik on March 03, 2009, 01:31:52 PM
There are several members of this forum, myself included, who find your avatar to be particularly sick.

Personally, I don't see the big deal. Given the kind of movies most of us watch and enjoy here, and the images from those movies that appear as avatars, somebody thinks that the ultimate in "particularly sick" is... bad teeth?

But even if you are particularly squicked about bad teeth...

Some of us don't even want to participate in a thread in which you have posted as we do not want to look at it.

... I would say you have the right not to look. I'm surprised you feel you have the right to force someone to change their avatar just because you don't like it. You have the right to ask of course.

You may actually find the board to be more responsive, such as people replying to your posts more often, if you didn't succeed in grossing them out first.

But you aren't speaking for the board. You're speaking for yourself. And, allegedly, "several members of this forum". Even if that is true, that's not "the board". According to the stats I see up top, there are 1930 members of this forum.

On the other hand...
Oh, does someones vagina hurt?

... as insults go, that one makes me go "Huh?"

But then this whole thread is kind of silly. This is where we need John Cleese to step in and stop it on the grounds of excessive silliness.


Title: Re: HarlotBug3: Kindly Change Your Avatar
Post by: Menaaard!!! on March 03, 2009, 01:35:07 PM
It was a request, not me forcing anybody to do a goddamn thing.

Sorry that I f**king asked...ladies.


Title: Re: HarlotBug3: Kindly Change Your Avatar
Post by: Psycho Circus on March 03, 2009, 01:40:05 PM
It was a request, not me forcing anybody to do a goddamn thing.

Sorry that I f**king asked...ladies.

Grow up.


Title: Re: HarlotBug3: Kindly Change Your Avatar
Post by: Menaaard!!! on March 03, 2009, 01:42:15 PM
It was a request, not me forcing anybody to do a goddamn thing.

Sorry that I f**king asked...ladies.

Grow up.

I've refused to grow up for so long, why should I bother now? :tongueout:


Title: Re: HarlotBug3: Kindly Change Your Avatar
Post by: CheezeFlixz on March 03, 2009, 01:53:29 PM
It was a request, not me forcing anybody to do a goddamn thing.

Sorry that I f**king asked...ladies.


Yep it official, somebodies vagina hurts.

Here you go ...
(http://www.firstaidmonster.com/images/products/FAM_MIDOL_MAX_STRENGTH_CAPLE-5300.jpg)


Title: Re: HarlotBug3: Kindly Change Your Avatar
Post by: Menaaard!!! on March 03, 2009, 01:56:27 PM
Yep it official, somebodies vagina hurts.

That would be somebody's.


Title: Re: HarlotBug3: Kindly Change Your Avatar
Post by: Captain Tars Tarkas on March 03, 2009, 04:27:04 PM
I don't even know who HarlotBug3 even is!   :cheers: :hot: :buggedout: :twirl: :thumbup: :tongueout: :teddyr:


Title: Re: HarlotBug3: Kindly Change Your Avatar
Post by: schmendrik on March 03, 2009, 04:34:26 PM
Neither do I. I had to do some searching to find the avatar that started all this.
(http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/4694/teethbc1.png)


Title: Re: HarlotBug3: Kindly Change Your Avatar
Post by: Doc Daneeka on March 03, 2009, 04:42:24 PM
I know who HBug is, and don't particularily mind her ava., but I can understand how it might disgust some.


Title: Re: HarlotBug3: Kindly Change Your Avatar
Post by: BoyScoutKevin on March 03, 2009, 04:47:44 PM
I was going to ask the offending poster to reply to this thread, so we can see the avatar, but never mind. From a previous thread, we've had on this board, the poster must be British.


Title: Re: HarlotBug3: Kindly Change Your Avatar
Post by: Psycho Circus on March 03, 2009, 04:50:14 PM
I was going to ask the offending poster to reply to this thread, so we can see the avatar, but never mind. From a previous thread, we've had on this board, the poster must be British.

So by that stereotypical logic, you must be fat and stupid.  :lookingup:


Title: Re: HarlotBug3: Kindly Change Your Avatar
Post by: Mr. DS on March 03, 2009, 07:03:12 PM
Looking past the negative, maybe we could suggest a new avatar choice.  My first nomination, keeping with the teeth theme...

(http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z46/Nyman420/Movie%20Related/dr_teeth.jpg)


Title: Re: HarlotBug3: Kindly Change Your Avatar
Post by: Menaaard!!! on March 03, 2009, 11:50:22 PM
It is interesting that when someone has a complaint, they are met with...


Oh, does someones vagina hurt?


... I would say you have the right not to look. I'm surprised you feel you have the right to force someone to change their avatar just because you don't like it. You have the right to ask of course.

...

But you aren't speaking for the board. You're speaking for yourself. And, allegedly, "several members of this forum". Even if that is true, that's not "the board". According to the stats I see up top, there are 1930 members of this forum.

...

But then this whole thread is kind of silly. This is where we need John Cleese to step in and stop it on the grounds of excessive silliness.


Grow up.


I've been asked if my vagina hurts, been told that my request is nothing but trying to force somebody to do something, obviously any such complaint or distaste expressed by anybody is silly, it has been suggested that I am a liar, and I've been told to grow up.

What a wonderful customer service this forum has (and such wonderful customer service reps as well).


Personally, I don't see the big deal. Given the kind of movies most of us watch and enjoy here, and the images from those movies that appear as avatars, somebody thinks that the ultimate in "particularly sick" is... bad teeth?

That's a pretty weak argument.

Hey, I watch movies with wanton nudity as well. I should then be able to post a picture of tits or a vagina (not trying to steal your thunder, Zap :tongueout:) as my avatar...right?

Of course not. Not everything we see in movies is appropriate for public display. Things like nudity, by general consensus, is frowned upon. Others may express a distaste for other subjects.

Of course, any expression of distaste with something here....well, is met with 'does your vagina hurt' among other things.

Really makes one feel proud to be a member of this board...huh?


For anybody else reading this, aside from the official and wonderful customer service representatives of the forum, I would like to point out, before it gets lost in this (as officially designated by a BadMovies.org official customer service representative) 'silly thread', that HarlotBug3 (to whom this was written) has done nothing wrong and the distaste with her avatar is just the opinion of a few, and a request to change it.


Please...if anybody else has any any concerns on this forum...feel free to submit them...for no other reason than to be asked if your vagina hurts too.

 :lookingup:


Title: Re: HarlotBug3: Kindly Change Your Avatar
Post by: AnubisVonMojo on March 04, 2009, 12:36:58 AM
But then this whole thread is kind of silly. This is where we need John Cleese to step in and stop it on the grounds of excessive silliness.

Graham Chapman was the Pythoner who played the Sergeant that stopped sketches for being excessively silly. Cleese's silliness was the Ministry of Silly Walks. :wink:


Title: Re: HarlotBug3: Kindly Change Your Avatar
Post by: CheezeFlixz on March 04, 2009, 01:06:22 AM
In all seriousness Menard, if you don't like their avatar, why not PM them? Why is it a trouble ticket? You stated "others" and frankly I've not heard for any "others". Is it a attractive avatar ... no it's not, but it doesn't bother me.

Quote from: Menaaard!!!
Hey, I watch movies with wanton nudity as well. I should then be able to post a picture of tits or a vagina (not trying to steal your thunder, Zap TongueOut) as my avatar...right?


If you want to post a image of your vagina that's fine with me, surely it can't be worse than the teeth.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxNyoAMqRXQ


Title: Re: HarlotBug3: Kindly Change Your Avatar
Post by: schmendrik on March 04, 2009, 06:32:55 AM
It is interesting that when someone has a complaint, they are met with...

I'll address the part of this which is aimed at me.

... I would say you have the right not to look.

Yes, I still say that. Why is that "interesting"?

I'm surprised you feel you have the right to force someone to change their avatar just because you don't like it. You have the right to ask of course.

And I still agree with both of those statements. You have the right to complain, and you shouldn't have the expectation that your complaint carries much weight. It is interesting that after protesting you weren't trying to change anybody's mind you should keep going on about this. You said you just wanted to make the request. Haven't you done that? Why is this thread still going?

It's also interesting that despite your protests as a "member of the board", you choose not to be a member of the board but to sign in on guest accounts.

But you aren't speaking for the board. You're speaking for yourself. And, allegedly, "several members of this forum". Even if that is true, that's not "the board". According to the stats I see up top, there are 1930 members of this forum.

And I still agree with that. You started out speaking for yourself. And "several members". But then you purported to speak for the entire board. I submit that you don't speak for the entire board. The only opinion you actually know is your own. And these alleged "several others".

I'm trying to be rational here. Is there something out of line about my responses? Something "interesting"? What, exactly? Why is it "interesting" that I said any of these things?

But then this whole thread is kind of silly. This is where we need John Cleese to step in and stop it on the grounds of excessive silliness.

And I still very heartily agree with this statement. Except that as AnubisVonMojo pointed out, I should have said Graham Chapman. This is indeed a very silly thread.


I've been asked if my vagina hurts, been told that my request is nothing but trying to force somebody to do something, obviously any such complaint or distaste expressed by anybody is silly, it has been suggested that I am a liar, and I've been told to grow up.

Again I can only speak for myself. OK, we'll stipulate that you didn't actually expect your thread to result in anybody changing their avatar, you only wanted to make the request. So haven't you accomplished that, then?

Where did anybody suggest you're a liar? About what?

I did not say "any such complaint of distaste expressed by anybody is silly". I said this thread is silly. It is indeed, and getting sillier. This particular post of yours is extremely silly. It's silly and pointless of me to respond rationally but I'm doing it anyway.

Your posting it as a trouble ticket was also, I'm afraid to say, a silly thing to do.

What a wonderful customer service this forum has (and such wonderful customer service reps as well).

I'm pretty sure that everyone who has responded to you is merely a member of the forum, and made no claim to be a "customer service rep". But then you aren't a customer, are you? Merely a guest.

Anyway, since you said you weren't demanding any action be taken, I'm not sure (a) why you put this in as a trouble ticket and (b) what would constitute "customer service" on something which isn't a request for service.

Personally, I don't see the big deal. Given the kind of movies most of us watch and enjoy here, and the images from those movies that appear as avatars, somebody thinks that the ultimate in "particularly sick" is... bad teeth?

That's a pretty weak argument.

It's not an argument. It's an opinion. My opinion is that I personally don't see the big deal with bad teeth.

Hey, I watch movies with wanton nudity as well. I should then be able to post a picture of tits or a vagina (not trying to steal your thunder, Zap :tongueout:) as my avatar...right?
Of course not. Not everything we see in movies is appropriate for public display.

Now that's pretty silly. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt temporarily and assume you don't really think that response makes sense.



Title: Re: HarlotBug3: Kindly Change Your Avatar
Post by: Paquita on March 04, 2009, 07:50:07 AM
I was actually a little grossed out by the teeth when I saw it first, but I didn’t feel it was my place to say anything, nor do I have the balls to face the criticism if I did mention it.  It’s not really the same as movie gore; it’s more like those gross skin condition pictures from medical books - you have to be prepared and not have a sandwich in your hand to look at them.
   
I also think at some point I might do something “bad” and I would really prefer that someone contact me personally rather than single me out, but that’s just me and I’m a big baby.

Thanks, Menard for trying to protect the eyes of some of the more delicate viewers.


Title: Re: HarlotBug3: Kindly Change Your Avatar
Post by: Menaaard!!! on March 04, 2009, 09:29:40 AM
I'll address the part of this which is aimed at me.

... I would say you have the right not to look.

Yes, I still say that. Why is that "interesting"?


Because this is not a porn forum where anything goes. For the most part, we are open to discuss most anything we want, and post most anything we want within certain limitations. It is a common courtesy to post a 'not safe for work' warning on a thread, link, or video which you may feel is not safe for work, or to post 'this is gross' for something you feel is likewise.

That's, of course, where there is the ability to warn someone. This keeps, IMO, the forum more open to post freely; if you warn someone not to look and they did, and got offended by your post, well they were warned and that's their fault if they looked.

Something on the open forum, such as an avatar or a pic in someone's sig, does not come with a warning.

As such, if someone complains about it, rather than being met with something like 'let me consider it', it is met with 'does your vagina hurt' and 'you have the right not to look'; and might I add by anybody other than the one to whom this thread was addressed.

You have the right not to look is a poor statement and attitude to have.
 

I'm surprised you feel you have the right to force someone to change their avatar just because you don't like it. You have the right to ask of course.

And I still agree with both of those statements. You have the right to complain, and you shouldn't have the expectation that your complaint carries much weight.

It's also interesting that despite your protests as a "member of the board", you choose not to be a member of the board but to sign in on guest accounts.

Obviously somebody does not have the right to complain here if they are met with statements like 'does your vagina hurt' and 'you have the right not to look' if they do complain about something.

Anybody who may have a complaint has simply been treated to an example of the ridicule and backlash from making one. What a lovely place. :lookingup:


You said you just wanted to make the request. Haven't you done that? Why is this thread still going?

1) It has not been responded to by the person to whom it has been addressed
2) Some people to whom it was not addressed have been keeping it going with ridicule and insults
3) It is a valid complaint...get over it

But you aren't speaking for the board. You're speaking for yourself. And, allegedly, "several members of this forum". Even if that is true, that's not "the board". According to the stats I see up top, there are 1930 members of this forum.

And I still agree with that. You started out speaking for yourself. And "several members". But then you purported to speak for the entire board. I submit that you don't speak for the entire board. The only opinion you actually know is your own. And these alleged "several others".

I'm trying to be rational here. Is there something out of line about my responses? Something "interesting"? What, exactly? Why is it "interesting" that I said any of these things?

No, I only spoke for several members, not the entire board. And, quite frankly, I can only speak for myself when others are going to likely not reply when they have been shown an example of the backlash they will get for doing so.


But then this whole thread is kind of silly. This is where we need John Cleese to step in and stop it on the grounds of excessive silliness.

And I still very heartily agree with this statement. Except that as AnubisVonMojo pointed out, I should have said Graham Chapman. This is indeed a very silly thread.

So any complaint on this forum is silly?

Any open discussion not approved by you is silly?

This is a thread addressed to another on this board. You carrying on with telling someone they have the right not to look and the right not to complain is what is silly.


I've been asked if my vagina hurts, been told that my request is nothing but trying to force somebody to do something, obviously any such complaint or distaste expressed by anybody is silly, it has been suggested that I am a liar, and I've been told to grow up.

Again I can only speak for myself. OK, we'll stipulate that you didn't actually expect your thread to result in anybody changing their avatar, you only wanted to make the request. So haven't you accomplished that, then?

Where did anybody suggest you're a liar? About what?

I did not say "any such complaint of distaste expressed by anybody is silly". I said this thread is silly. It is indeed, and getting sillier. This particular post of yours is extremely silly. It's silly and pointless of me to respond rationally but I'm doing it anyway.

Your posting it as a trouble ticket was also, I'm afraid to say, a silly thing to do.

If you are going to respond rationally, don't keep me in suspense; do it.

Your viewpoint of anything you don't agree with is simply not valid, is pretty narrow.

All you have done is called a complaint silly and proceeded to provide an example of what someone can expect from this forum if they are to complain about something.

If you are concerned that this thread keeps going...then stop replying to it.


What a wonderful customer service this forum has (and such wonderful customer service reps as well).

I'm pretty sure that everyone who has responded to you is merely a member of the forum, and made no claim to be a "customer service rep". But then you aren't a customer, are you? Merely a guest.

Anyway, since you said you weren't demanding any action be taken, I'm not sure (a) why you put this in as a trouble ticket and (b) what would constitute "customer service" on something which isn't a request for service.

I put this as a trouble ticket as it was something which concerned the board. Not only was it addressed to a member of the board, but a complaint should be open to discussion from other members of the board.

As has been proven, apparently complaints will be met with 'does your vagina hurt' and 'you have the right not to look'.

If you don't like the term 'customer service', then I'll call the three of you the official complaint department.


Personally, I don't see the big deal. Given the kind of movies most of us watch and enjoy here, and the images from those movies that appear as avatars, somebody thinks that the ultimate in "particularly sick" is... bad teeth?

That's a pretty weak argument.

It's not an argument. It's an opinion. My opinion is that I personally don't see the big deal with bad teeth.


If you prefer to call it an opinion, fine. I'll be happy to call it that just for you too. :wink:


Hey, I watch movies with wanton nudity as well. I should then be able to post a picture of tits or a vagina (not trying to steal your thunder, Zap :tongueout:) as my avatar...right?
Of course not. Not everything we see in movies is appropriate for public display.

Now that's pretty silly. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt temporarily and assume you don't really think that response makes sense.



Once again, something goes outside of your narrow perception, and you call it silly.

My response was perfectly appropriate.

You brought up
Quote
Given the kind of movies most of us watch and enjoy here, and the images from those movies that appear as avatars, somebody thinks that the ultimate in "particularly sick" is... bad teeth?

Why is it a silly response?

Just simply because you don't agree with it? So far anything that you have not agreed with in this thread has been 'silly'.

When someone brings up the types of movies we watch as justification for grossing out others, then you should consider what implications that implies. I gave you an example of such an implication, and all you can do is call it 'silly'.


I'm still waiting for you to reply rationally.


Title: Re: HarlotBug3: Kindly Change Your Avatar
Post by: Mr. DS on March 04, 2009, 09:41:18 AM
Menard posted an opinion and I don't think his initial post was rude at all.   However, I can see how the "several members" comment and the post in appearing in "trouble tickets" sparked negative responses.  Bottom line the avatar, although unpleasant to the eyes, doesn't really violate any TOS I'm aware of so unless Harlot changes it, all those offended will have to get used to it.

As for the insults they're not needed by anyone.  Also, if there is a consensus to move this thread out from the "trouble ticket" board then perhaps we should.  However, right now we should get this conversation under control.  An opinion was expressed, rebuttals were given, Harlotbug has not responded, there's obviously nothing more to add to this other than more gasoline to the flames. 


Title: Re: HarlotBug3: Kindly Change Your Avatar
Post by: schmendrik on March 04, 2009, 09:54:45 AM
Menard posted an opinion and I don't think his initial post was rude at all.   However, I can see how the "several members" comment and the post in appearing in "trouble tickets" sparked negative responses.  Bottom line the avatar, although unpleasant to the eyes, doesn't really violate any TOS I'm aware of so unless Harlot changes it, all those offended will have to get used to it.

As for the insults they're not needed by anyone.  Also, if there is a consensus to move this thread out from the "trouble ticket" board then perhaps we should.  However, right now we should get this conversation under control.  An opinion was expressed, rebuttals were given, Harlotbug has not responded, there's obviously nothing more to add to this other than more gasoline to the flames.

Agreed 100%. Actually I'm surprised Andrew hasn't killed it already.



Title: Re: HarlotBug3: Kindly Change Your Avatar
Post by: schmendrik on March 04, 2009, 10:03:34 AM
Well, I said I thought it would be pointless and silly to respond and you confirm that. However, I'll just react to one or two little things.


Quote
And I still very heartily agree with this statement. Except that as AnubisVonMojo pointed out, I should have said Graham Chapman. This is indeed a very silly thread.

So any complaint on this forum is silly?

No. Nor did I say this complaint was. I said this thread was silly. It still is, and this pointless argument with me is a large part of it.

Are you able to distinguish between "this thread" and "the post that started this thread"? Unless I'm mistaken, a thread is a sequence of posts, generally (as in this case) by more than one person.

Are you able to distinguish between "this complaint" and "all complaints"? Between "this image" and "all images"?

Nothing more to add except that as an exercise to the reader I ask you to examine the following hypothetical dialog about a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SUBJECT, totally unrelated to this thread. Just sort of randomly dropped here for philosophical discussion. The puzzle is: can you spot the logic flaw?

Mr. A: I really hate that picture that Ms. C posted.
Mr. B: Why?
Mr. A: It offends me.
Mr. B: You're talking about a picture of a rock?
Mr. A: Yes, but it's from "Pink Flamingos".
Mr. B: Yes, but it's a ROCK!
Mr. A: If you squint at it, it kind of looks vaguely obscene.
Mr. B: IT'S A ROCK! Given the amount of disgusting material and imagery in that movie, how can you object to a picture of a ROCK!???
Mr. A: That's a weak argument. So you're saying it's OK to post anything and everything from "Pink Flamingos"?

And now I really will bow out of this thread.


Title: Re: HarlotBug3: Kindly Change Your Avatar
Post by: Ash on March 04, 2009, 10:55:52 AM

I'm not going to take sides, but the initial resposes to Menard were somewhat rude.
Personally, I would've posted this thread in the Off Topic section.  Trouble tickets are for problems with the website or forum, not someone's avatar.
Can we get a moderator to move this thread?

As for Harlotbug's avatar, I will say that it is distracting.  I find myself focusing more on how disgusting the avatar is than what Harlotbug has to say.  I can't remember a single memorable thing Harlotbug has ever said, but I always remember the avatar.  It's not for me to judge whether that's a good or bad thing, but if you want my opinion, I say change it. 

(by the way, Harlotbug is a guy)




Title: Re: HarlotBug3: Kindly Change Your Avatar
Post by: Menaaard!!! on March 04, 2009, 11:20:41 AM
Well, I said I thought it would be pointless and silly to respond and you confirm that. However, I'll just react to one or two little things.


Quote
And I still very heartily agree with this statement. Except that as AnubisVonMojo pointed out, I should have said Graham Chapman. This is indeed a very silly thread.

So any complaint on this forum is silly?

No. Nor did I say this complaint was. I said this thread was silly. It still is, and this pointless argument with me is a large part of it.

Are you able to distinguish between "this thread" and "the post that started this thread"? Unless I'm mistaken, a thread is a sequence of posts, generally (as in this case) by more than one person.

Are you able to distinguish between "this complaint" and "all complaints"? Between "this image" and "all images"?

Nothing more to add except that as an exercise to the reader I ask you to examine the following hypothetical dialog about a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SUBJECT, totally unrelated to this thread. Just sort of randomly dropped here for philosophical discussion. The puzzle is: can you spot the logic flaw?

Mr. A: I really hate that picture that Ms. C posted.
Mr. B: Why?
Mr. A: It offends me.
Mr. B: You're talking about a picture of a rock?
Mr. A: Yes, but it's from "Pink Flamingos".
Mr. B: Yes, but it's a ROCK!
Mr. A: If you squint at it, it kind of looks vaguely obscene.
Mr. B: IT'S A ROCK! Given the amount of disgusting material and imagery in that movie, how can you object to a picture of a ROCK!???
Mr. A: That's a weak argument. So you're saying it's OK to post anything and everything from "Pink Flamingos"?

And now I really will bow out of this thread.


A complaint was made, the poster was insulted and has basically been told that complaints are not welcome on this forum.

So far, the only intelligent thing you have said is that you will bow out of this thread to which you have been a primary contributor of a litany of wanton disregard for anybody's concerns outside of you narrow viewpoint of 'you have the right not to look'.

The continuation of this thread is the manner in which you are complaining, and seem to wanting to pin on me, is entirely your doing. If you want to stop the 'silliness' in this thread, stop posting it.

Let's see if you can keep your promise and stay out of it.



As for posting this in the Trouble Tickets forum, which is for things which concern the board, this is a concern of the board, not an off-topic discussion.


I don't feel that HarlotBug3 should be forced to remove the avatar. A dissenting opinion of it, which finds it to be disgusting, was made with a request to remove it. In my opinion, the decision to keep or remove it lies solely with her.


As has been expressed in this thread by 3 members in particular, expressing a complaint is obviously not welcome here and deserving of insults and ridicule.


Title: Re: HarlotBug3: Kindly Change Your Avatar
Post by: Psycho Circus on March 04, 2009, 01:00:38 PM
I'm just stunned that people are actually offended by that avatar. That's consideing the type of movies all of us watch and concerning myself, I've seen far, far worse.

That's all I'm going to say again on this.  :smile:


Title: Re: HarlotBug3: Kindly Change Your Avatar
Post by: Andrew on March 04, 2009, 08:19:44 PM
Menard posted an opinion and I don't think his initial post was rude at all.   However, I can see how the "several members" comment and the post in appearing in "trouble tickets" sparked negative responses.  Bottom line the avatar, although unpleasant to the eyes, doesn't really violate any TOS I'm aware of so unless Harlot changes it, all those offended will have to get used to it.

As for the insults they're not needed by anyone.  Also, if there is a consensus to move this thread out from the "trouble ticket" board then perhaps we should.  However, right now we should get this conversation under control.  An opinion was expressed, rebuttals were given, Harlotbug has not responded, there's obviously nothing more to add to this other than more gasoline to the flames.

Agreed 100%. Actually I'm surprised Andrew hasn't killed it already.

I have been scarce lately, and will continue to be scarce, because I am in San Diego for 7 weeks of training.  We do have some very good moderators, like Mark (Darksider).

HarlotBug's avatar is disgusting to me, but I've always just shrugged and passed on.  I do understand why Menard feels the way he does, and he brought it up in a manner that did not, to me, come across as insulting.  The biggest asset we have here is respecting the person on the other side of the debate.  If not, there isn't going to be a debate - just a flame war or name calling, and there is very little chance anything productive will come of it all.

Let's have a debate, or talk about an issue.  Flame wars and tossing insults is useless.


Title: Re: HarlotBug3: Kindly Change Your Avatar
Post by: Trevor on March 05, 2009, 02:12:56 AM
Just to try and lighten things up a bit: the only possible way that we could settle this is to publish a picture of my mouth without teeth (except the five that I have left, minus my false choppers) and that image should be enough to gross anyone and everyone out.   :teddyr:  :buggedout:                             


Title: Re: HarlotBug3: Kindly Change Your Avatar
Post by: AndyC on March 05, 2009, 05:55:16 AM
I have to support Menard in this. The avatar is, after all, there to represent you to the others on the board. If it gives a bad impression, I think it's helpful to be informed of that. If I used a picture I thought was funny or interesting, but others on the board found it revolting or distracting to see in every thread I post in, I'd want to know. Sure, we like movies that gross us out, but that doesn't mean we want that imagery in our faces all the time. HarlotBug3 probably doesn't aim to offend, and might well be unaware that there's any problem. If the image is too much for some people to see scattered through threads on the board, and might even deter them from reading posts or engaging in discussion, that is useful to know, and saying so is a kinder and more constructive thing than quietly resenting it. Menard wasn't criticizing anyone personally, only pointing out that an image might be having an undesired effect.

If HarlotBug3 knows the image could be bothering people and still wants to use it, then fine and dandy. It isn't breaking any rules. But what Menard is doing is allowing him/her to make that choice. It's something a friend would do.

Granted, it could have been done privately, but what good is a private message? It looks like one guy has got a problem. By posting it in an open forum, Menard gives everyone a chance to express whether the avatar bothers them. Maybe the majority will agree with him, or maybe they're not bothered, or maybe they think someone's free expression is more important than their own discomfort. I think it's a good discussion for a community to have and could benefit us all.

What I do find out of line is that instead of having that useful discussion, the thread immediately became about Menard, and in a way that was dismissive and rude - something his original post was not.

As a society, we've gotten so focused on our right to express ourselves any way we want that we forget that the same right allows us to complain about the way others are expressing themselves. People who do are labeled either repressive nazis who want to control people or whiny pussies who need to lighten up. If complaining is done respectfully, I think it's a good thing.

Myself, I found the avatar hard to look at too. But I just adblocked the image and haven't seen it since. Still read HarlotBug3's posts, but without the photo. That's not a solution either, mind you. If people are electing not to display your avatar, it kind of negates the purpose of having it. Again, it's useful to know.


Title: Re: HarlotBug3: Kindly Change Your Avatar
Post by: schmendrik on March 05, 2009, 09:52:02 AM
OK, without the flame wars there is a worthwhile discussion having here in my opinion. Not sure where it belongs. So since Andrew has given his implicit blessing (by not blasting the whole thing to oblivion) I'll continue.

First of all, it is completely pointless to argue matters of opinion. We've seen that in the "movies nobody likes" and "movies nobody hates" threads. (However, I do find those threads hilarious).

We have an avatar that grosses some people out. At the same time, there are other people (myself included) who are not bothered by it, who find it a lot milder than other imagery we watch for pleasure. In fact I think there are other avatars which have bothered me much more. In fact, it isn't even in the "a little bit gross" category for me. Whatever buttons it's pushing for some of you, I don't seem to have those buttons. It's just teeth.

That's not saying you're wrong. It would obviously be stupid for me to declare that you aren't grossed out. You know how you feel. But it would be equally stupid for you to tell me that I am grossed out, even if it's patently obvious to you that the image is gross. I'm sorry, it isn't. To me. And it is. To you.

The interesting discussion question to me is: what should be the policy on something like this? Several people have admitted they don't like the image. That now makes a total of something like 3-4 who have actually voiced a negative opinion. If 3 people out of 1900 don't like an avatar, should it be banned? Isn't that the road to the kind of political correctness that most sane people hate, like making a book unavailable to thousands because one person doesn't like something on page 243? How do we define "inappropriate image"? Is it based on numbers who don't like it, or something else?

Tawk amongst yourselves.


Title: Re: HarlotBug3: Kindly Change Your Avatar
Post by: Menaaard!!! on March 05, 2009, 11:07:31 PM
OK, without the flame wars there is a worthwhile discussion having here in my opinion. Not sure where it belongs. So since Andrew has given his implicit blessing (by not blasting the whole thing to oblivion) I'll continue.


That's a double edged sword on your part. You have, yet again, made the implication that this is a worthless thread, but you shall save it by contributing to it. :lookingup:

Though egotistical and asinine, you did it well, so I'll give you credit for that part.


I'm not going through every single 'worthwhile':lookingup: word of your thread saving contribution, so I'll cut out the first paragraph which was completely pointless.


We have an avatar that grosses some people out. At the same time, there are other people (myself included) who are not bothered by it, who find it a lot milder than other imagery we watch for pleasure. In fact I think there are other avatars which have bothered me much more. In fact, it isn't even in the "a little bit gross" category for me. Whatever buttons it's pushing for some of you, I don't seem to have those buttons. It's just teeth.

That's not saying you're wrong. It would obviously be stupid for me to declare that you aren't grossed out. You know how you feel. But it would be equally stupid for you to tell me that I am grossed out, even if it's patently obvious to you that the image is gross. I'm sorry, it isn't. To me. And it is. To you.

The interesting discussion question to me is: what should be the policy on something like this? Several people have admitted they don't like the image. That now makes a total of something like 3-4 who have actually voiced a negative opinion. If 3 people out of 1900 don't like an avatar, should it be banned? Isn't that the road to the kind of political correctness that most sane people hate, like making a book unavailable to thousands because one person doesn't like something on page 243? How do we define "inappropriate image"? Is it based on numbers who don't like it, or something else?


Even if your reply is loaded, for once in this thread you have contributed at least some discussion. Though, for the most part, your 'worthwhile thread saving contribution' :lookingup: was not needed.

Nothing in the original post (which I suggest you actually go back and read...for once) was about defining anything, voting on anything, or forcing anybody to do anything.

The original post was simply a complaint, and request to remove the avatar. The decision to remove, in my opinion (as I'm the one who started this thread) lies with HarlotBug3 and only HarlotBug3.

What happened beyond that was simply an embarrassment to this forum. Where a forum is about open discussion, what happened out of some of the first replies was simply insults and ridicule which contributed nothing to the discussion...except to set a precedent for others who may find something they want to communicate in an open forum and instead fear the backlash they might get.



To answer a few of your questions, though they have no bearing on the subject of this thread:


We don't decide whether something on page 243 of a book belongs or not...Andrew does (that is, of course, provided it's not piracy :lookingup:).

We can, of course, provide comment and feedback on such a subject...provided someone would start a discussion in an environment of expected ridicule.


With regard to the number of members of the forum which you keep throwing out as though you are a proxy for everybody, you cannot expect much more than 10% of that number to be correct.

I cannot give you an exact number, percentage, or any kind of calculation to determine what the number of actual members would be; that would vary from forum to forum.

The number is over several years and includes spammers, people who posted a few times and never came back, people who registered and never posted or even never came back, banned members, and even a few deceased.

Anybody who does come back and post, whether regularly or on occasion, would essentially be considered an active member, and the active member count would be the only number close to correct. Perhaps Andrew could mod the script to display active members, but that would be asking a lot of him for a trivial piece of information which has hardly ever been used in a post that I can recall.


Several years ago, what happened in this thread would have never happened on this forum. If somebody had a complaint, it was an open discussion. It was not that we were all a loving, hugging, kissing bunch (ewww); we certainly weren't that. I can't exactly tell you what we were; mainly just a bunch of people who found a place they enjoyed and kept it that way.

As I said, what happened here was an embarrassment...unnecessary...and a damn poor example to be put before others.

I'm not setting any rules for anybody on here...that's not my place...heck, I'm just a phantom.

Do keep in mind that I am probably just a tad (:lookingup:) more defensive of this forum and the members here than the average member. I've even told Andrew a time or two to pull his head out of his ass (and with that bad haircut...that must tickle :tongueout:).

One or two here may even consider me to be an a$$hole.

(http://5g8.net/free_smiley_generator/links/423920001236308397.gif) (http://5g8.net/)


I'm not going to give any reason as to why I am defensive of this forum and the members here...but just know what to expect from me.



Now that I have gotten the kindness out of my heart...comes the ass reaming:







Okay...not really...I just wanted to see if I could raise some blood pressures. (http://5g8.net/smileys/snicker.gif)



As for the initial insults and ridicule:

I fully expect CheezeDick to act the way he did. Hell...this is a man who not only thinks that Archie Bunker makes sense, but who has arguments with fenceposts...and loses.


Circus_Boy - You are lucky in the fact that I actually like you. You may have intended it as a joke...you may not...this was not the place for one. If you want to feel bigger by pushing me...feel free; just remember that I don't budge, and I do bite. Just watch out for yourself; you likely won't deserve what I do.


schmendrik - Perhaps I am being unfair to you, in some ways. Certainly not for pointing out what you did wrong with this thread, but for expecting more from you.

(no...there's no insult coming)

I fully expect, as I said, CheezeDick to act the way he does. Of course, he just made a stupid insult...while you persisted in carrying it out to the 'nth degree. Still, you can express yourself much better than he can (admittedly, so can a brick wall).

It seems a bother for you to express yourself in a thread you so obviously don't give a damn about other than to offer no contribution aside from ridicule and insults.

Maybe I am being unfair by expecting more from you, but being that you put so much effort into earning that...I'll consider you deserving of it.


Nice sales pitch, but that's all it was; the same argument, candy-coated with a cherry on top. I'll give you credit for putting the effort into that, but you should have put some effort into a consideration for anybody other than yourself and rather than suggesting that the only way a thread can have any importance is if you contribute to it.


If you want to contribute something more worthwhile, then do so. We've got the point that you do not consider the avatar to be offensive which is a contribution to the discussion at hand...or of what's left of it.

If you have nothing more than insults and ridicule to contribute to this or any other complaint anybody on the board makes, then kindly keep your dick out of it.


Now let's end this with a kiss...put some tongue behind that, too....mwhaaa :tongueout:


Title: Re: HarlotBug3: Kindly Change Your Avatar
Post by: Mr. DS on March 06, 2009, 09:26:40 AM
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The interesting discussion question to me is: what should be the policy on something like this? Several people have admitted they don't like the image. That now makes a total of something like 3-4 who have actually voiced a negative opinion. If 3 people out of 1900 don't like an avatar, should it be banned? Isn't that the road to the kind of political correctness that most sane people hate, like making a book unavailable to thousands because one person doesn't like something on page 243? How do we define "inappropriate image"? Is it based on numbers who don't like it, or something else?


http://www.badmovies.org/forum/index.php/topic,113524.0.html

Please see the above rules of the forum.  Being that this is a site where many horror films are reviewed, gross images are going to appear in both avatars and the reviews.  Under the "safe for work" category, pornographic images are covered mainly.  Hence why although yes its unpleasant, Harlotbug's avatar is not violating the current TOS.  We can go around in circles discussing what is acceptable or not but thats how it stands, or at least how I see it anyhow.  Menard brought it up as a open request and whether you agree or not with the avatar or how he brought it up, thats all it was. 


Title: Re: HarlotBug3: Kindly Change Your Avatar
Post by: Psycho Circus on March 06, 2009, 01:16:44 PM

Circus_Boy - You are lucky in the fact that I actually like you. You may have intended it as a joke...you may not...this was not the place for one. If you want to feel bigger by pushing me...feel free; just remember that I don't budge, and I do bite. Just watch out for yourself; you likely won't deserve what I do.

Lucky? Who'd you think you are Clint Eastwood?  :bouncegiggle:

Push you? I'm not trying to push you. Trust me, I don't need to feel any "bigger" by doing anything on here. How fitting that you use the term "boy" too....yes, I am a young guy, but I'm not the one who just haunts the boards, contributing mostly just insults and childish innuendo. So coming back to me telling you to "grow up", it would be stupid of you to try and intimidate me with whatever it is you'll "do". Because it's quite sad that a guy probably twice my age would even waste his time by trying to get at me on a internet forum. Very sad.



Title: Re: HarlotBug3: Kindly Change Your Avatar
Post by: Andrew on March 07, 2009, 12:08:21 AM
This thread is done.  I do not have time to act like a nursemaid to grown men, especially when I already pointed out that this either needed to be a discussion or not at all. 

Menard, you were unfairly treated for your post, but you could not keep yourself under control once you were insulted.  And you are way over the line now.  Either get it under control or stay away.