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Title: Words we don't use any more
Post by: Jack on May 15, 2009, 04:36:36 PM
Why don't we use words like "fortnight" anymore?  Or stuff like "four score" as in "Four score and seven years ago"?  Kind of nice words and phrases, they had some character to them.  I'm not talking about slang words like keen or boss, which often fall out of use.  But real, regular words that just seem to have been forgotten.

Got any other ones?


Title: Re: Words we don't use any more
Post by: Raffine on May 15, 2009, 05:00:29 PM
'Consumption' sound far more classy and romantic than 'Tuberculosis'.

I like 'lollygag'.


Title: Re: Words we don't use any more
Post by: Jack on May 15, 2009, 05:12:51 PM
Trollop is another one.  Sounds positively cute  :teddyr:


Title: Re: Words we don't use any more
Post by: Newt on May 15, 2009, 05:40:11 PM
Speaking of trollops: one of the guys my son plays D&D with named his character "Strumpet".  I guess he is not too familiar with Shakespeare.

I have a friend online who likes to bring words back into common use: her current favourite is "whilst".


Title: Re: Words we don't use any more
Post by: Doggett on May 15, 2009, 06:02:42 PM
Totty


Title: Re: Words we don't use any more
Post by: Raffine on May 15, 2009, 06:17:16 PM
Do you guys in England still say 'Bumbershoot' for 'Umbrella'?

Thats so cuuute!


Title: Re: Words we don't use any more
Post by: Kester Pelagius on May 15, 2009, 07:07:07 PM
Thy question descries the brickle nature of this civil wildness we refer to as our common culture.  Yet, methinks, with all honoured regard to ye, surely thou jesteth.  For this "dumbing down" of our culture has been fast progressing since the New Deal.  But, to point, and your quandry to examine, one might say whenas we are exhorted to speak the words we useth are those of a customary acceptance; meaning as of the common tongue.

But this thou already knowest.  Thou dost seek answer further, and justly so my friend.  Thus let us these bedlams away, which is to say, o saucy mortal, that we must be content to use speech of modern parlance rather than antique coinage.  The means, therefore, unto which our speech doth obtain comes thus from nathmore than terminology in current usage.  For, humbled though we may be by the fain beauty of imagerial words that have fallen into disuse they are perpetually replaced and succedded by nascent word-forms.

Yet, forsooth, one does lament that such as the Ovidians have become dross.  Alas youth today hath not a groatsworth of wit, for all that they have all the minutiae written by man available at their fingertips thanks to the Internet. Alas they are as mad Thyades.  So it is this sorry calamity hath come to pass, if not your inquiry an simple answer found.   :wink:

 :cheers:


Title: Re: Words we don't use any more
Post by: Joe the Destroyer on May 15, 2009, 09:19:31 PM
Zounds
Huzzah

That's really all I got right now.  Doh!


Title: Re: Words we don't use any more
Post by: schmendrik on May 15, 2009, 11:07:48 PM
Nobody ever gets a good brain fever anymore.

I'd just as lief bring that one back.

(Actually, I've heard people say "just as lief" or "liefer". I think it's still kind of current in some places)


Title: Re: Words we don't use any more
Post by: Joe the Destroyer on May 16, 2009, 12:59:05 AM
Then there's "tallywhacker."  It's one old guys always use at work.  "Well, it ain't like none of you nurses never seen a tallywhacker before."


Title: Re: Words we don't use any more
Post by: Doggett on May 16, 2009, 08:55:07 AM
Fortnight and tallywacker still gets used all the time !



Yikes, guys.
Next you'll be saying the word "gonads" has gone. Which it hasn't because I heard it on the radio this morning.


Title: Re: Words we don't use any more
Post by: lester1/2jr on May 16, 2009, 11:00:07 AM
yuo hear less of someone being fingered for a crime.  I can't imagine why though.  it's a perfectly good descriptive term


Title: Re: Words we don't use any more
Post by: WingedSerpent on May 16, 2009, 02:32:48 PM
How about "please" and "thank you"

"I respectfully disagree" has been replaced by "What are you? A a@#$%^$$&%-bag?"


Title: Re: Words we don't use any more
Post by: Kester Pelagius on May 16, 2009, 03:24:44 PM
How about "please" and "thank you"

"I respectfully disagree" has been replaced by "What are you? A a@#$%^$$&%-bag?"

 :thumbup:

Manners do see rather threadbare of late.  And when someone does use the basic amenities it's usually epigenous.


Title: Re: Words we don't use any more
Post by: Psycho Circus on May 16, 2009, 03:28:55 PM
Fortnight gets used over here all the time.

Whatever happened to;

Kin
Hither
Forbode

And of course, who could forget Sussudio!  :teddyr:


Title: Re: Words we don't use any more
Post by: Kester Pelagius on May 16, 2009, 04:04:37 PM
Fortnight gets used over here all the time.

Whatever happened to;

Kin
Hither
Forbode

And of course, who could forget Sussudio!  :teddyr:

Hither and yon are favorites of mine.

Don't know why those ever fell out of usage as they sound so much better than here and there.

Just me?


Title: Re: Words we don't use any more
Post by: Jack on May 16, 2009, 04:53:09 PM
Nope, hither and yon are almost poetic.  We really need to bring this stuff back.


Title: Re: Words we don't use any more
Post by: zombie no.one on May 16, 2009, 05:28:38 PM
Ive got a big old 2-volume dictionary, printed in around 1930. here's some words in it:

SMUTCH: To blacken, make dirty

WHIZGIG: An object that whizzes around

PECKSNIFF: an unctuous hypocrite, always prating of benevolence

QUINQUANGLE: a pentagon

SHAKE-RAG: a ragged, disreputable person





Title: Re: Words we don't use any more
Post by: Kester Pelagius on May 16, 2009, 10:13:38 PM
Ive got a big old 2-volume dictionary, printed in around 1930. here's some words in it:

SMUTCH: To blacken, make dirty

WHIZGIG: An object that whizzes around

PECKSNIFF: an unctuous hypocrite, always prating of benevolence

QUINQUANGLE: a pentagon

SHAKE-RAG: a ragged, disreputable person

Yeah, well, in my hands is "Abbott's Popular Modern Vest Pocket Dictionary", copyright MCMXLIII in which, as I open random pages, you will find words like. . . . . .

rotogravure - a printing process

prunella - woolen fabric

quadroon - person of 1/4th Negro blood  :question:

harum-scarum - wild

grosgrain - silk fabric

grippe - influenza

grange - farm homestead

titillate - tickle  :question:

Well, the meaning of titillate's changed.  Never heard the word quadroon before.  How would that even come up in a conversation?

EDIT: Just checked two other dictionaries and the word "quadroon" is in both of them.  And the most recent one has a copyright of 1998!   Who uses this word?  Has anyone ever heard it before?


Title: Re: Words we don't use any more
Post by: Newt on May 16, 2009, 10:34:05 PM
jackanapes


Title: Re: Words we don't use any more
Post by: schmendrik on May 17, 2009, 07:25:15 AM
I don't know why you chaps are making such a hullabulloo about all this anyway.


Title: Re: Words we don't use any more
Post by: Rev. Powell on May 17, 2009, 03:44:47 PM

EDIT: Just checked two other dictionaries and the word "quadroon" is in both of them.  And the most recent one has a copyright of 1998!   Who uses this word?  Has anyone ever heard it before?

I've heard it before, but only in discussions about obscure words like callipygian and hircine.


Title: Re: Words we don't use any more
Post by: Mr. DS on May 17, 2009, 08:59:23 PM
I don't know why you chaps are making such a hullabulloo about all this anyway.

Indeed, all this is malarkey and we must cut the frivolity.

Side note, I use the term "groovy" a lot.  People almost 98% of the time drop their jaws in amazement. 

Then there's "tallywhacker."  It's one old guys always use at work.  "Well, it ain't like none of you nurses never seen a tallywhacker before."

The term "pecker" comes to mind.  Thank you for mentioning that term...it reminded me of one of the funniest scenes in movie history....
NSFW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIcSuyZjjIM


Title: Re: Words we don't use any more
Post by: Trevor on May 18, 2009, 08:57:53 AM
Thy question descries the brickle nature of this civil wildness we refer to as our common culture.  Yet, methinks, with all honoured regard to ye, surely thou jesteth.  For this "dumbing down" of our culture has been fast progressing since the New Deal.  But, to point, and your quandry to examine, one might say whenas we are exhorted to speak the words we useth are those of a customary acceptance; meaning as of the common tongue.

But this thou already knowest.  Thou dost seek answer further, and justly so my friend.  Thus let us these bedlams away, which is to say, o saucy mortal, that we must be content to use speech of modern parlance rather than antique coinage.  The means, therefore, unto which our speech doth obtain comes thus from nathmore than terminology in current usage.  For, humbled though we may be by the fain beauty of imagerial words that have fallen into disuse they are perpetually replaced and succedded by nascent word-forms.

Yet, forsooth, one does lament that such as the Ovidians have become dross.  Alas youth today hath not a groatsworth of wit, for all that they have all the minutiae written by man available at their fingertips thanks to the Internet. Alas they are as mad Thyades.  So it is this sorry calamity hath come to pass, if not your inquiry an simple answer found.   :wink:

 :cheers:

Methinks I givesth thou karmath for thish.  :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: Words we don't use any more
Post by: Hammock Rider on May 18, 2009, 10:08:33 AM
harridan

gimcrack

skulduggery


Title: Re: Words we don't use any more
Post by: Kester Pelagius on May 18, 2009, 12:00:42 PM

EDIT: Just checked two other dictionaries and the word "quadroon" is in both of them.  And the most recent one has a copyright of 1998!   Who uses this word?  Has anyone ever heard it before?

I've heard it before, but only in discussions about obscure words like callipygian and hircine.

I looked up "callipygian" and was surprised to find it's origin listed as Gk. "kallipygos" but not as surprised as it's definition: "having well shaped buttocks".  Now "kalli" does mean "good" but "pygos" doesn't seem like a proper word root to me.  I wonder what the etymology of this word is.  I'd bet it's origins are a poetic mistranliteration of somekind- probably of "kalligrammos", which means "shapely"- as there's no lowercase "y" In Greek though there are two lower case letters that could be mistaken for a "y" by the casual reader; but they're properly transliterated into English as "g" and "m" respectively.

Then again I'm not well versed in Greek slang.


Title: Re: Words we don't use any more
Post by: schmendrik on May 18, 2009, 12:06:23 PM
noisome

Brobdingnagian

Now if I really wanted to cheat I'd pull any random Lovecraft novel off the shelf and just start paging through. But I'm trying to do this by memory.



Title: Re: Words we don't use any more
Post by: Ed, Ego and Superego on May 18, 2009, 01:46:42 PM

EDIT: Just checked two other dictionaries and the word "quadroon" is in both of them.  And the most recent one has a copyright of 1998!   Who uses this word?  Has anyone ever heard it before?

I've heard it before, but only in discussions about obscure words like callipygian and hircine.

I looked up "callipygian" and was surprised to find it's origin listed as Gk. "kallipygos" but not as surprised as it's definition: "having well shaped buttocks".  Now "kalli" does mean "good" but "pygos" doesn't seem like a proper word root to me.  I wonder what the etymology of this word is.  I'd bet it's origins are a poetic mistranliteration of somekind- probably of "kalligrammos", which means "shapely"- as there's no lowercase "y" In Greek though there are two lower case letters that could be mistaken for a "y" by the casual reader; but they're properly transliterated into English as "g" and "m" respectively.

Then again I'm not well versed in Greek slang.

If I recall correct, the modern resurgence of callipygian use was from a Thomas Pynchon novel, and might have been mis applied translation.
-Ed


Title: Re: Words we don't use any more
Post by: The Burgomaster on May 18, 2009, 02:58:52 PM
jackanapes


Actually, (and surprisingly) I use this word quite frequently.  When I'm driving and someone cuts me off or drives really slow in front of me or pulls some other bonehead move, my tirade usually starts with, "Nice move, you f&%$ing jackanape!"  One of my buddies used to say this word a lot about 20 years ago and it just stuck with me.

Here are a few other word we don't use anymore:

* Hooch ("Hey, give me a swig of that hooch!")
* Obliged  ("Much obliged, ma'am.")
* Vittles ("Hey, rustle me up some vittles!")
* Dough ("Can I borrow some dough?")
* Stepping Out ("I'm stepping out with my best girl tonight.")
* Courting ("Those young'uns have been courting for 2 years.")
* Moving Pictures / Picture Show ("Hey let's go to the moving pictures / picture show on Saturday.")



Title: Re: Words we don't use any more
Post by: Ash on May 18, 2009, 03:54:20 PM
Hussy

NOUN:
pl. hus·sies
1. A woman considered brazen or immoral.
2. A saucy or impudent girl.

(and speaking of saucy...)

Saucy

ADJECTIVE:
sauc·i·er , sauc·i·est

1.
   a. Impertinent or disrespectful.
   b. Impertinent in an entertaining way; impossible to repress or control.

2. Piquant; pert: a saucy red bow tie.



Title: Re: Words we don't use any more
Post by: schmendrik on May 18, 2009, 04:08:49 PM
* Courting ("Those young'uns have been courting for 2 years.")

How about "wooing"?

Or better yet "pitching woo"?


Title: Re: Words we don't use any more
Post by: The Burgomaster on May 18, 2009, 04:21:37 PM
* Courting ("Those young'uns have been courting for 2 years.")

How about "wooing"?

Or better yet "pitching woo"?


Ah, yes.  "Pitching woo."  Of course, you still hear it at some baseball games:  "Now pitching, Woo."


Title: Re: Words we don't use any more
Post by: Kester Pelagius on May 18, 2009, 05:32:34 PM

EDIT: Just checked two other dictionaries and the word "quadroon" is in both of them.  And the most recent one has a copyright of 1998!   Who uses this word?  Has anyone ever heard it before?

I've heard it before, but only in discussions about obscure words like callipygian and hircine.

I looked up "callipygian" and was surprised to find it's origin listed as Gk. "kallipygos" but not as surprised as it's definition: "having well shaped buttocks".  Now "kalli" does mean "good" but "pygos" doesn't seem like a proper word root to me.  I wonder what the etymology of this word is.  I'd bet it's origins are a poetic mistranliteration of somekind- probably of "kalligrammos", which means "shapely"- as there's no lowercase "y" In Greek though there are two lower case letters that could be mistaken for a "y" by the casual reader; but they're properly transliterated into English as "g" and "m" respectively.

Then again I'm not well versed in Greek slang.

If I recall correct, the modern resurgence of callipygian use was from a Thomas Pynchon novel, and might have been mis applied translation.
-Ed

That must be it.


Title: Re: Words we don't use any more
Post by: Newt on May 18, 2009, 05:42:37 PM
Most Greek came into English usage by way of Latin.  That may account for certain changes.
A similar word is "steatopygia" - referring to a condition of fatty deposits on the derriere - not exactly an opportunity for poetry.


Title: Re: Words we don't use any more
Post by: Rev. Powell on May 19, 2009, 11:39:17 AM

EDIT: Just checked two other dictionaries and the word "quadroon" is in both of them.  And the most recent one has a copyright of 1998!   Who uses this word?  Has anyone ever heard it before?


I've heard it before, but only in discussions about obscure words like callipygian and hircine.


I looked up "callipygian" and was surprised to find it's origin listed as Gk. "kallipygos" but not as surprised as it's definition: "having well shaped buttocks".  Now "kalli" does mean "good" but "pygos" doesn't seem like a proper word root to me.  I wonder what the etymology of this word is.  I'd bet it's origins are a poetic mistranliteration of somekind- probably of "kalligrammos", which means "shapely"- as there's no lowercase "y" In Greek though there are two lower case letters that could be mistaken for a "y" by the casual reader; but they're properly transliterated into English as "g" and "m" respectively.

Then again I'm not well versed in Greek slang.


If I recall correct, the modern resurgence of callipygian use was from a Thomas Pynchon novel, and might have been mis applied translation.
-Ed


That must be it.


From the online etymology dictionary (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=callipygian):

callipygian
"of, pertaining to, or having beautiful buttocks," 1800, from Gk. kallipygos, name of a statue of Aphrodite, from kalli-, combining form of kallos "beauty" + pyge "rump, buttocks." Sir Thomas Browne (1646) refers to "Callipygæ and women largely composed behinde."

Cool site to bookmark.


Title: Re: Words we don't use any more
Post by: Newt on May 19, 2009, 11:56:06 AM
In one of my older etymological dictionaries, it appears the transliteration from Greek to Latin can go from 'u' to 'y'.

Greek to Latin (to English):
pugos to pyge (buttocks)
pugmaios to pygmaeus (pygmy)
puramis to pyramis/pyramidis (pyramid)
pura to pyra (pyre)
puthon to python


Title: Re: Words we don't use any more
Post by: Kester Pelagius on May 19, 2009, 01:04:11 PM

EDIT: Just checked two other dictionaries and the word "quadroon" is in both of them.  And the most recent one has a copyright of 1998!   Who uses this word?  Has anyone ever heard it before?


I've heard it before, but only in discussions about obscure words like callipygian and hircine.


I looked up "callipygian" and was surprised to find it's origin listed as Gk. "kallipygos" but not as surprised as it's definition: "having well shaped buttocks".  Now "kalli" does mean "good" but "pygos" doesn't seem like a proper word root to me.  I wonder what the etymology of this word is.  I'd bet it's origins are a poetic mistranliteration of somekind- probably of "kalligrammos", which means "shapely"- as there's no lowercase "y" In Greek though there are two lower case letters that could be mistaken for a "y" by the casual reader; but they're properly transliterated into English as "g" and "m" respectively.

Then again I'm not well versed in Greek slang.


If I recall correct, the modern resurgence of callipygian use was from a Thomas Pynchon novel, and might have been mis applied translation.
-Ed


That must be it.


From the online etymology dictionary ([url]http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=callipygian[/url]):

callipygian
"of, pertaining to, or having beautiful buttocks," 1800, from Gk. kallipygos, name of a statue of Aphrodite, from kalli-, combining form of kallos "beauty" + pyge "rump, buttocks." Sir Thomas Browne (1646) refers to "Callipygæ and women largely composed behinde."

Cool site to bookmark.


Yeah, well, I'm Greek and have since consulted the ULTIMATE reference.



*wait for it*


*wait for it*


*wait for it*



That's right I asked me mum.   :teddyr:

She said she'd never heard of the word.

Though I suppose that could just be my horrible pronunciation.   OTOH "kalos/kali" doesn't mean beauty, rather it connotates something that's okay or good.  Like Aphrodite's naked buttocks.  :wink:


Title: Re: Words we don't use any more
Post by: Psycho Circus on May 19, 2009, 01:07:32 PM
I like the word - aghast - I'm gonna bring that one back.  :smile: