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Title: Why don't people like Die Hard 2 : Die Harder ?
Post by: Doggett on June 26, 2009, 04:26:16 AM
This really bothers me, I think it's one of the best action films ever made but according to DH fans it's the worst, even worse than 4.

Can you tell me why you don't like it ?

Or are most posters on the imdb idiots with no taste ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpnvi5Jvt1Y


Title: Re: Why don't people like Die Hard 2 : Die Harder ?
Post by: Trevor on June 26, 2009, 04:30:46 AM
I liked it and it was great to see it, like Die Hard on a huge curved cinema screen where you felt that you were in the action and that there were gunshots going off around you and next to your ear.  :buggedout:

To promote the film in Pretoria back then, the following happened:

Renny Harlin's Die Hard 2 ~ Die Harder, starring Bruce Willis and Bonnie Bedelia, is a success in South Africa this year, but the promotion of it backfires on Ster~Kinekor when someone at the Sterland theatre in Pretoria gets the bright idea of hoisting an aeroplane onto the roof of the theatre complex. This wonderful and well~thought out piece of promotion causes a serious car accident at the corner of Beatrix and Pretorius Streets when two drivers passing the Sterland were distracted by the sight of the aeroplane.

This is from my thesis Riding The High Wind.

Or maybe some people don't like it because they have something against Renny Harlin? I don't: he makes good movies. :smile:


Title: Re: Why don't people like Die Hard 2 : Die Harder ?
Post by: The Burgomaster on June 26, 2009, 06:09:42 AM
I think it's a decent action movie.


Title: Re: Why don't people like Die Hard 2 : Die Harder ?
Post by: Javakoala on June 26, 2009, 06:14:22 AM
I thought it was good to see they didn't go for a straight up re-do of the first movie.  Plus, Franco Nero!  Sadly, he did get to do much.

I thought the fourth was okay, but so over the top that they just need to stop now.


Title: Re: Why don't people like Die Hard 2 : Die Harder ?
Post by: Jack on June 26, 2009, 06:20:21 AM
I though it was very good.  Good action, characters, plot.  Absolutely loved the old Christmas song that started playing at the end.  Any movie where Bruce Willis says "Yippee-kayae mother f***er" is good in my book.  


Title: Re: Why don't people like Die Hard 2 : Die Harder ?
Post by: dean on June 26, 2009, 09:18:22 AM
Or are most posters on the imdb idiots with no taste ?


That right there is your answer.

IMDB or Youtube comments/forums = dregs of human society.


Title: Re: Why don't people like Die Hard 2 : Die Harder ?
Post by: Doggett on June 26, 2009, 12:49:11 PM


IMDB or Youtube comments/forums = dregs of human society.

So true.

Die Hard 4 is so unmemorable that I even forgot that I have the poster of it in my room.
I see Bruce Willis's face everyday and I still forget. The only thing I can remember is when he fights a jet at the end.


Title: Re: Why don't people like Die Hard 2 : Die Harder ?
Post by: Mofo Rising on June 26, 2009, 01:40:40 PM
I remember Die Hard being one of the first non-genre action movies I ever really liked.

I really liked the second one because it continued on in the same vein of everyday so-and-so against impossible odds. Plus the set pieces were bigger.

I did not like the third one. I thought the third movie was a parody of itself and not very good.

Oddly, I loved the fourth one, which had gone so far into parody it became entertaining again. Launching a car at a helicopter? Brilliant and brilliantly stupid.

I think the second one just slipped into the cracks that some good movies disappear into. For instance, I never hear anybody talk about Who Framed Roger Rabbit?


Title: Re: Why don't people like Die Hard 2 : Die Harder ?
Post by: Doggett on June 26, 2009, 01:49:11 PM
I've come to the conclusion that it's just the imdb and normal people think it's great.  :thumbup:


Title: Re: Why don't people like Die Hard 2 : Die Harder ?
Post by: wickednick on June 26, 2009, 10:49:27 PM
I like it, I prefer 1 and 3 but 2 is good. I think its just the forgotten one, it never gets shown or hyped up.


Title: Re: Why don't people like Die Hard 2 : Die Harder ?
Post by: Neville on June 27, 2009, 05:31:05 AM
Basically I don't like Die Hard II because it's a f**king bore. Instead of the dynamic camerawork that John McTiernan used in the first one Harlin moves the camera around as if he is making a movie of the week. Then there's the plot, rehashing every "Airport" movie cliché, the annoying airport cop character, the TV reporter appearing again...

And the action is very silly and over the top. Admitted, it was that way in #1 too, but it had touches of reality here and there to make it more reasonable, like when Willis has to pull glass shards from his feet.

Not even the final action scenes can't save trhe movie from all this.


Title: Re: Why don't people like Die Hard 2 : Die Harder ?
Post by: Doggett on June 27, 2009, 06:38:10 AM


And the action is very silly and over the top. Admitted, it was that way in #1 too, but it had touches of reality here and there to make it more reasonable, like when Willis has to pull glass shards from his feet.




What did you think of 3 and 4, Neville ?


Title: Re: Why don't people like Die Hard 2 : Die Harder ?
Post by: Neville on June 27, 2009, 07:36:06 AM
That they are even more comic-bookish, but at least they are better made and quite entertaining.


Title: Re: Why don't people like Die Hard 2 : Die Harder ?
Post by: sideorderofninjas on June 27, 2009, 10:11:13 PM
Die Hard 2 still isn't Renny Harlin's biggest Die Hard remake or ripoff.  Wouldn't that be this year's 12 Rounds with John Cena? 


Title: Re: Why don't people like Die Hard 2 : Die Harder ?
Post by: bladerunnerblues on June 28, 2009, 12:36:05 AM
Am I the only 30something man in America that has never seen a Die Hard movie?


Title: Re: Why don't people like Die Hard 2 : Die Harder ?
Post by: Neville on June 28, 2009, 04:25:10 AM
Probably (to the last two answers).


Title: Re: Why don't people like Die Hard 2 : Die Harder ?
Post by: Doggett on June 28, 2009, 05:34:41 AM
Am I the only 30something man in America that has never seen a Die Hard movie?


No.

You're the only 30 something man on the Earth who hasn't seen a Die Hard movie.  :wink:

This song will bring you to speed. NSFW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTyw6cq86kY


Title: Re: Why don't people like Die Hard 2 : Die Harder ?
Post by: Monster Jungle X-Ray on June 28, 2009, 05:59:32 AM
Die Hard III is the only film in this series that I don't care for. Even as overblown and cheesy as IV was, it was still enjoyable. I guess I was put off by the whole running around the city to answer phone calls under a time limit scenario in movies. There is always no matter what one scene where the hero makes it to the phone a second too late, and the antagonist has to kill someone/blow up something to show they mean business.   


Title: Re: Why don't people like Die Hard 2 : Die Harder ?
Post by: Neville on June 28, 2009, 06:03:40 AM
I did enjoy that bit. But I though the whole thing went off rails with that stupid children-trapped-in-exploding-building-stuff, and the even sillier ending.


Title: Re: Why don't people like Die Hard 2 : Die Harder ?
Post by: Doggett on June 28, 2009, 06:09:17 AM
I did enjoy that bit. But I though the whole thing went off rails with that stupid children-trapped-in-exploding-building-stuff, and the even sillier ending.

I liked the phone stuff too. The kids in the building was rubbish because you knew that they weren't gonna die and the ending was weak !
The ending wasn't silly, just weak.

One bottle of pain killers manages to lead McClane to the bad guys and their entire hideout ?!?!
C'mon !


Title: Re: Why don't people like Die Hard 2 : Die Harder ?
Post by: Neville on June 28, 2009, 06:12:54 AM
There's this alternate ending they shot in the first place. It's pretty good, but I can't say it works better, in it McLane shows a rather mean side:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSVwuFsiZv4


Title: Re: Why don't people like Die Hard 2 : Die Harder ?
Post by: Rev. Powell on June 28, 2009, 10:28:33 AM
Am I the only 30something man in America that has never seen a Die Hard movie?

Since I turned 40, yes you are.  :wink:


Title: Re: Why don't people like Die Hard 2 : Die Harder ?
Post by: InformationGeek on June 28, 2009, 05:30:04 PM
Or are most posters on the imdb idiots with no taste ?


That right there is your answer.

IMDB or Youtube comments/forums = dregs of human society.

As a member of YouTube that has many accounts throughout the years (3 actually) and as a person who often reads the message boards on IMDB, I can safely say that you can find the most interolable and cruel people in the world on these sites.  Not the best places to go to find people with tact or here honest and fair balance statements.  Places like that are why I enjoy being here, where everyone is pleasant and tolerable to other people's personal beliefs and taste 97% of time.  The other 3 precent is a whole another story.

As for Die Hard 2, I have never watched it or any of the other movies in the series.  I did see the ending to number 2 and I think it looked like a good action flick.  It had one of my favorite death scenes where the guy gets shredded by the engine.  Reminds of The Incredibles and Raiders of the Lost Ark.

I think the second one just slipped into the cracks that some good movies disappear into. For instance, I never hear anybody talk about Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

Kind of a shame no one talks about that one.  I just watched it recently after not seeing it for a couple of years.  It was still good as before.