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Title: Do you believe in jesus? Then where is your candy!
Post by: Frogger on July 16, 2009, 03:38:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVG1_lnjw2s

Some of the most entertaining anti communist propaganda. This vid is great (The whole film is on google video but seriously if its like this, then its all I can take). Its very funny. That has to be the worst picture of Fidel Castro I have seen. I also enjoyed the guy dressed up as a Nazi with Communism = good (for some reason behind the kids). Overal very enjoyable. 

As a politics student and a Communist, I generally enjoy watching this stuff.

I still remember one which was a cartoon with a snake oil seller, selling bottles of "ism". Rather funny, You don't need that "ism", Capitalism has given you cars....  :lookingup:


Title: Re: Do you believe in jesus? Then where is your candy!
Post by: Wortcov on July 16, 2009, 03:49:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_DaMKUP3Og&feature=channel_page thins one ?  :teddyr:


Title: Re: Do you believe in jesus? Then where is your candy!
Post by: Frogger on July 16, 2009, 03:54:44 PM
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_DaMKUP3Og&feature=channel_page[/url] thins one ?  :teddyr:


hahahaha Classic...

Its great, I just love the "Ism".

Cold war propaganda is good. somethingweird.com has a few good boxsets I really want to order on the Nuclear Blast duck and cover... lol


Title: Re: Do you believe in jesus? Then where is your candy!
Post by: indianasmith on July 16, 2009, 04:55:00 PM
Wow.  A real live communist.

How does it feel to belong to an ideology that killed more people in one short century than organized religion managed to bump off in the previous twenty?


Title: Re: Do you believe in jesus? Then where is your candy!
Post by: Frogger on July 16, 2009, 07:52:19 PM
Wow.  A real live communist.

How does it feel to belong to an ideology that killed more people in one short century than organized religion managed to bump off in the previous twenty?


Yep because ideas are the killers right? What you are talking about are state socialist governments actions. One could easily reverse the claim to capitalism due to its pratices leading to environmental destruction and mass poverty.

Sigh, I am here to decuss propaganda videos rather than politics (mainly those wonderful ones from the cold war).

Another great vid is from the wonderful threat of nuclear war.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_tKAg5KIuQ
 

Remember to sing along guys...  :bouncegiggle:

(s**t the kids talking before version, has been removed).  :bluesad: O well heres a 2nd vid, so remember to sing.  :drink:


Title: Re: Do you believe in jesus? Then where is your candy!
Post by: indianasmith on July 17, 2009, 01:07:57 AM
Ideas are indeed what lead men to kill . . . or to serve one another.  Sorry if I came across too harsh, but I think Communism is one of the most evil ideas in history.  It sounds so good and so generous in theory, but in practice it has never led to anything but repression and violence.


I would argue that, for all its faults (and they are many) capitalism has raised the standard of living for most of the people in the world, and enabled more of them to live out their lives in reasonable prosperity, achieving their own individual beliefs, visions, and dreams, than any economic ideaology ever has.

Not trying to rain on your video parade, however.  But I would enjoy this discussion in another thread.  At any rate, welcome to our little forum.  We have every other ideology here . . . a little Marxism will just add spice to the stew.


Title: Re: Do you believe in jesus? Then where is your candy!
Post by: Frogger on July 17, 2009, 06:18:51 AM


Not trying to rain on your video parade, however.  But I would enjoy this discussion in another thread.  At any rate, welcome to our little forum.  We have every other ideology here . . . a little Marxism will just add spice to the stew.


Listen I will debate in a different thread if you wish just stop trying to derail this thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWeZ5SKXvj8

This one is great. "he may be a communist". I also enjoy the "I have been convinced to free myself from family life." lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ9myHhpS9s&feature=fvw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju3h7yk4Hcg&feature=related
Monty Python.  (just to have a bit of a laugh).


Title: Re: Do you believe in jesus? Then where is your candy!
Post by: RCMerchant on July 17, 2009, 04:05:02 PM



As a politics student and a Communist, I generally enjoy watching this stuff.





Your a Communist? Your not trying to sap and impurify all our precious bodily fluids,are you?   :wink:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1KvgtEnABY



Title: Re: Do you believe in jesus? Then where is your candy!
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 17, 2009, 04:18:53 PM
I recently saw this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8P2x5jKFPM

the netflix version had the subtitles though. 


Title: Re: Do you believe in jesus? Then where is your candy!
Post by: Frogger on July 17, 2009, 08:19:08 PM



As a politics student and a Communist, I generally enjoy watching this stuff.





Your a Communist? Your not trying to sap and impurify all our precious bodily fluids,are you?   :wink:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1KvgtEnABY[/url]




Priceless... In other words "I felt empty making love to my wife, its all the communists fault!"  :cheers:

By the way do you want a free flu jab? It has no known side effects. You can trust me.  :twirl:


Title: Re: Do you believe in jesus? Then where is your candy!
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 18, 2009, 12:46:05 AM
Not trying to rain on your video parade, however.  But I would enjoy this discussion in another thread.  At any rate, welcome to our little forum.  We have every other ideology here . . . a little Marxism will just add spice to the stew.
Listen I will debate in a different thread if you wish just stop trying to derail this thread.
We are not so formal here that tangential discussion is rare in any thread.  You, however, need to actually read what our Indiana wrote and recognize his olive branch.   

Also, your concern regarding "derail" is dubious considering your subject.  I mean, what the hell is that?   :smile: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do0x-Egc6oA


Title: Re: Do you believe in jesus? Then where is your candy!
Post by: RCMerchant on July 18, 2009, 01:13:25 AM





By the way do you want a free flu jab? It has no known side effects. You can trust me.  :twirl:


Only if she has big boobies!


Title: Re: Do you believe in jesus? Then where is your candy!
Post by: Frogger on July 18, 2009, 08:27:00 AM


Also, your concern regarding "derail" is dubious considering your subject.  I mean, what the hell is that?   :smile: 

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do0x-Egc6oA[/url]


You might be on a point there. We could expand this thread to include political music videos, some of which are excellent.

I rather enjoy communism = Atheism. Excellent propaganda at religious groups. 

"Someone think of the children!!!" lol I never got communist material given to me when I was in school.  :bluesad: The evil children communist spies never targeted me, only the drinking water.  :twirl:


Title: Re: Do you believe in jesus? Then where is your candy!
Post by: RCMerchant on July 18, 2009, 11:28:21 AM
I think communism-in it's original Marxist form-is an interesting idea-but in practice it has proven to fail. Human nature -greed,wanting to dominate-takes over. Were all animals. Capitalism is the politics of greed. I'm-I dunno-an anarchist. I dislike ALL goverments. But I'm not so naive to think that could ever work.

I'm a Fortean. I question everything-and don't hold anything as impossible. Or as truth.

That said-

Watch Stalin dance!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E41-wwrsbfg

Who comes up with this sh!t?  :question:


Title: Re: Do you believe in jesus? Then where is your candy!
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 18, 2009, 11:43:20 AM
I like the anti coroporate and anti imperialist elements of commuism but I can't get by that old

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_calculation_problem


seriously, imagine if the only web browser you could get was a government issued one.  it wouldn't work and it would cost half your life savings


Title: Re: Do you believe in jesus? Then where is your candy!
Post by: Nukie 2 on July 19, 2009, 09:58:20 PM
Well Sir, you opened this up stating you're a Communist, and you know how people would react.

I respect your opinions, I welcome you to the forums. I'm not going to hurl insults at you.

Well, I can't say I'm for Capitalism or Communism. I guess I'm some lame Social-Democrat, though I don't go into politics thinking there is a solution. Maybe there is, maybe not. I doubt I have the answers.

Anyways, I understand your empathy for people who live in dire hell. I've seriously thought for many years, and still do about our world we live in.  Here's what I've come to understand: Real-true Communism as what Marx envisioned is at its core a value system-- as what society should value. Marxists think the stock-holder is weird-- here's a person who doesn't work inside said company, yet keeps acquiring money; profit well after the firm borrowed money from them. However, its a question of whether society should value this way of living or not.

Everyone knows if Communism could replace Capitalism with a societal change of values it wouldn't work. As what Marx said is that the economy is at the center of all social-life. So how a society produces its goods and services determines how people interact. We develop our values with our interactions. So we just need to reorganize the economy? Sure, there are enough goods and services in the world to make all the worlds people fat. But to reorganize the world's economies with the limited knowledge we have is frightening, and so to get the working-class to rise up and smash the old society, and have no idea where its going to is kind of irresponsible. You can't just simply build more train tracks to distribute goods. The only two ways the world knows about allocating resources is with currency or with rationing. If you ration you will have no idea how much goods and services to make, and where to distribute goods. If you use currency, some people will just be without it-- heck, if we had 100% employment, we'd have hyper-inflation and so having some people who don't work keep inflation down.  With this in mind, you think science will solve it for you, because of its previous cost cutting and labor saving inventions, so why shouldn't it keep progressing, and progress in such a way that it ends the division of labor and class-society itself. Capitalists also have this faith in science, but they believe it will keep the rate of profit sky-rocketing and create more growth, which will prevent society slipping into a Malthusian disaster. Science moves differently; Scientists don't just think of inventions out of the sky, penicillin wasn't dreamed up, neither was anything else. Scientists discover stuff and then they try to think of the possible applications for their discoveries and then there's the inventions.

Now with that said,
If Footmen Tire You.... is damned hilarious, one of my favs! Also check out "the Burning Hell" you can watch the whole thing on Youtube, as well as "The Believers Heaven". I'm still wanting to see "Che!" with Omar Shariff and Jack Palance as Fidel Castro-- I heard his performance is so cartoony that it's a riot!


Title: Re: Do you believe in jesus? Then where is your candy!
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 20, 2009, 09:11:14 AM
I read a book on marxism.  his solution to disparities in quality of life was to eliminate private property and eliminate competition.  That's like eliminating roads and engines and being like " i can invent the fastest car".  private property is the basis of civilization.