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Title: Why do ppl hate Freddy's Revenge!?
Post by: Psycho Circus on July 20, 2009, 01:59:02 PM
A Nightmare On Elm Street is recognised as a horror classic. a film which has spawned many sequels, merchandise and has been referenced many times in other forms of popular culture. "Freddy's Revenge", the first sequel, released in 1985 is hated by almost every single person I have ever met. WHY?

Has everyone seen the other films!? "Dream Child" anyone?? I know for sure that the Darksider hates "Dream Master" more. I've always felt that the first 3 were the best, before the series sold out and became too comedic. The first 3 had the best special effects too, Freddy actually looks gross and menacing, rather than in later films where he looks like a rubber pizza. Freddy's Revenge altered the premise slightly, but is that really a bad thing? I mean, ppl always give Friday 13th a hard time, due to it being Jason killing campers in the woods again and again......and again.....But how is it so implausible that a "fictional" child killer, that enters ppl's "dreams" cannot be in the "real" world!? It's a movie!

A Nightmare On Elm Street Part 2: Freddy's Revenge is NOT a awful movie. It may be bad to some, I admit it's crap compared to the first and 3rd, but it is still waaay better than all the garbage at the cinema right now.

Rant over.



Title: Re: Why do ppl hate Freddy's Revenge!?
Post by: Doggett on July 20, 2009, 02:04:45 PM

A Nightmare On Elm Street Part 2: Freddy's Revenge is NOT a awful movie. It may be bad to some, I admit it's crap compared to the first and 3rd, but it is still waaay better than all the garbage at the cinema right now.

Rant over.




I'd rather watch Harry Potter 6...Don't hate me Circus.

I don't like it becuase it's dull.
Yes, there's a lot of rubbish in bits in all the films but at least stuff is happening !
My favourite is 6...YEAH, 6 !!!

Is it good ?
Nope.

But it kept me entertained for it's length more than all the others.




Why do I get the feeling this is aimed at me ?  :wink:

I hope we're still friends !
 :cheers:



Title: Re: Why do ppl hate Freddy's Revenge!?
Post by: The Burgomaster on July 20, 2009, 02:12:41 PM
All the NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET movies after the first one made me want to burn my eyes out with hot pokers.


Title: Re: Why do ppl hate Freddy's Revenge!?
Post by: clockworkcanary on July 20, 2009, 02:32:12 PM
Freddy's Revenge is probably not that popular for a couple of reasons:

* it's the oddball of the series in terms of plot - Freddy wants to come into the real world in this one, however, isn't that where he's most vulnerable? Anyway, it's a tonal shift apart from the rest (good or bad) and you know how people are resistant to change.

* the second reason is probably due to the homosexual subtext of the entire movie. I personally didn't have a problem with it myself but it doesn't surprise me that many would.

And as posted above, it was rather dull, but then many slasher flicks are.

It's been awhile since I seen this one, but a couple things stick out in memory: the exploding bird (Freddy does some weird magic in this one), Nancy's journal, and the extreme long tongue action! There's a bit they're reading from the journal that was pretty tight though when they were reading about Nancy's little fantasy. Memory is a bit hazy but I remember something cool about that part.

Anyway, NOES 1 was my fav, as most agree. Parts 3, 4, and 5 were a trilogy of their own, and part 6 is utter pain. Part 2 gets hate mostly because it's just such an oddball of the series.


Title: Re: Why do ppl hate Freddy's Revenge!?
Post by: WilliamWeird1313 on July 20, 2009, 02:45:34 PM
A Nightmare On Elm Street is recognised as a horror classic. a film which has spawned many sequels, merchandise and has been referenced many times in other forms of popular culture. "Freddy's Revenge", the first sequel, released in 1985 is hated by almost every single person I have ever met. WHY?

Has everyone seen the other films!? "Dream Child" anyone?? I know for sure that the Darksider hates "Dream Master" more. I've always felt that the first 3 were the best, before the series sold out and became too comedic. The first 3 had the best special effects too, Freddy actually looks gross and menacing, rather than in later films where he looks like a rubber pizza. Freddy's Revenge altered the premise slightly, but is that really a bad thing? I mean, ppl always give Friday 13th a hard time, due to it being Jason killing campers in the woods again and again......and again.....But how is it so implausible that a "fictional" child killer, that enters ppl's "dreams" cannot be in the "real" world!? It's a movie!

A Nightmare On Elm Street Part 2: Freddy's Revenge is NOT a awful movie. It may be bad to some, I admit it's crap compared to the first and 3rd, but it is still waaay better than all the garbage at the cinema right now.

Rant over.




I liked it. I don't dislike any of the Elm Street flicks. Freddy is my favorite of the Big Three slasher icons and I like all the movies. They're all enjoyable on some level. The first one, and Wes Craven's New Nightmare are both enjoyable as genuinely good films. Many of the other series entries are enjoyable as campy, cartoony, surrealistic F.X. spectacles, driven by their unrestrained energy, unparalleled imagery, and charismatic personality. I can watch any, or every, Elm Street movie, any day of the week, and be totally happy by the time credits roll.

I admit that, yeah, it's not the best entry in the franchise, and it does stick out like a sore damn thumb, but it'd still give it a solid 3 or 3.5 out of 5.



Title: Re: Why do ppl hate Freddy's Revenge!?
Post by: akiratubo on July 20, 2009, 02:58:40 PM
Nighmare on Elm Street 2 is the only one I really like.  :thumbup:


Title: Re: Why do ppl hate Freddy's Revenge!?
Post by: Jim H on July 20, 2009, 03:19:50 PM
Probably because it has the worst kill sequences of the entire series, the least amount of them (discounting a ton of people getting killed in the last like 5 minutes), the pacing is poor, the atmosphere just isn't there, the acting is blah, the storyline sucks the most of all the sequels...   It's just bad, by far the worst and least imaginative in the entire series. 


Title: Re: Why do ppl hate Freddy's Revenge!?
Post by: Jack on July 20, 2009, 07:32:58 PM
I loved the first one, but really didn't care for any of the sequels.  Freddy's New Nightmare was the dullest slasher I've seen in a long time.  Every Halloween they run those things over and over, and last Halloween I thought that maybe I hadn't given them a fair chance in the past, so I sat down and gave them a fair chance.  Made it about halfway through part two, and only 15 - 20 minutes into the rest of them. 


Title: Re: Why do ppl hate Freddy's Revenge!?
Post by: Frogger on July 20, 2009, 07:47:51 PM
Freddy's Revenge is probably not that popular for a couple of reasons:

* it's the oddball of the series in terms of plot - Freddy wants to come into the real world in this one, however, isn't that where he's most vulnerable? Anyway, it's a tonal shift apart from the rest (good or bad) and you know how people are resistant to change.

* the second reason is probably due to the homosexual subtext of the entire movie. I personally didn't have a problem with it myself but it doesn't surprise me that many would.

And as posted above, it was rather dull, but then many slasher flicks are.

It's been awhile since I seen this one, but a couple things stick out in memory: the exploding bird (Freddy does some weird magic in this one), Nancy's journal, and the extreme long tongue action! There's a bit they're reading from the journal that was pretty tight though when they were reading about Nancy's little fantasy. Memory is a bit hazy but I remember something cool about that part.

Anyway, NOES 1 was my fav, as most agree. Parts 3, 4, and 5 were a trilogy of their own, and part 6 is utter pain. Part 2 gets hate mostly because it's just such an oddball of the series.

I honestly can not recall the stories except from 1 and 3.

O yes the second one, was the weird one where the guy was the son or related or a possible host to freddy and he could use him to come back or something.....

3, 4 and 5 where good. 6 I can not recall any of it or maybe I can... Was that the one with freddy feeding souls to his unborn son?

Ok thats it I am going to wiki the series to jog my memory.

OK, I liked 2, it was not awful but did feel strange to watch. I never really liked the real world stuff, it bugged me in freddy vs jason as well.

3 was one of the best, 4 was also highly enjoyable and 5 was the one with freddy feeding souls to unborn child (strange but it was not as bad as it could have been, still enjoyable.)

6..... ummm ok I watched it at some point but did not enjoy this one... I struggle to even remember it.

Have not seen a "New Nightmare". However, it sounds like an interesting take on the story. (Of course it could be crap)

Good old wiki.....  :cheers:

To be honest I just hope they don't remake the first film, like they recently did to Halloween.  :thumbdown:




Title: Re: Why do ppl hate Freddy's Revenge!?
Post by: Mr. DS on July 21, 2009, 12:22:02 PM
I think the big thing with part 2 for me is it's rather forgettable.  Its one of those films people will talk about (as in this thread) and I react with "oh yeah yeah yeah, I remember that" while the file clerk in my mind fetches the information.  Let me say though,  I do not recall it being a "bad" film in the very least.  By far not the worst out of the series which as Circus mentioned for me is #4.  I hate #4 with a passion because it pretty much unraveled everything #3 did IMHO meticulously.  I'm actually on the fence on #5 because it felt it did kind of ditch the MTV feel of #4 and recaptured some of Freddy' terror.  Then...that got lost again on #6.  Oh well...80's horror is as 80s horror does.  


Title: Re: Why do ppl hate Freddy's Revenge!?
Post by: HappyGilmore on July 21, 2009, 06:45:30 PM



To be honest I just hope they don't remake the first film, like they recently did to Halloween.  :thumbdown:



Yes, it's been remade.  Hasn't been released yet, but is slated for a February 2010 release.  The new Freddy is Jackie Earle Haley, who played Kelly in The Bad News Bears (Matthau version, not Thornton).  Recently Haley was in The Watchmen.


Title: Re: Why do ppl hate Freddy's Revenge!?
Post by: Joe the Destroyer on July 23, 2009, 04:15:40 AM
I don't completely hate it, but there are a few scenes in it that felt like they really tried to force to be scary.  For instance, the lightning bolt hitting the dishes, or the exploding canary.  At both scenes, I just kind of shrugged my shoulders and said, "Okaaaaaay..." 

I still think the second one is leagues ahead of NOES 5. 


Title: Re: Why do ppl hate Freddy's Revenge!?
Post by: WilliamWeird1313 on July 24, 2009, 07:15:00 AM


I was born and raised in the era when Freddy wasn't really scary anymore, so I've never really looked at him as all that an imposing figure, and thus I've never really gotten miffed when they've made out to be a cartoon. Michael Meyers and Jason Voorhees, yeah. But Freddy, no. The closest he's ever come to being actually scary was in the first one (MUCH darker than the subsequent sequels) and New Nightmare (where they imbued with a kind of seriousness and genuine malevolence that I feel he was kind of missing from the other movies). That being said, as much as I like Nightmare 1 and New Nightmare, I've always felt Freddy was at his best the more comic booky his films got. He's kind of like a Cryptkeeper who offs people himself, and I like that. It's goofy and stupid a lot of the time, but, christ, is it ever fun. The power glove gag still gets me, and yet it might actually be the dumbest Freddy kill ever. Next to the meatball one.

I actually remember Nightmare 2 well. It's not the best of the series sequels, but I like it. I like the weird homoerotic bent everything has, and I love the coach character. Very twisted. Does it fizzle a bit? Yes. I chalk it up to the producers still trying to find their waterwings with this new franchise. Once 3 they came around, they nailed it. After that, they got into the groove, and the groove pretty much stayed the same for the rest of the series.

I still think the whole "death by pipebomb" think, though, was just terrible.

Incidentally, I think Freddy's worst dialogue ever was in Freddy Vs. Jason. Yeah, I know he's vulgar and crass and misogynistic, but, seriously, his lines in F.V.J. consisted almost entirely of the word "b***h." Sure, he's said it before, but jesus effin' poop, F.V.J. just took it  waaaaay overboard (in my opinion). On a related note, anyone ever notice that the "overcompensation" argument that the chick from Destiny Child makes in F.V.J. makes absolutely no sense at all?


Title: Re: Why do ppl hate Freddy's Revenge!?
Post by: HappyGilmore on July 24, 2009, 08:44:45 PM

On a related note, anyone ever notice that the "overcompensation" argument that the chick from Destiny Child makes in F.V.J. makes absolutely no sense at all?

It makes no sense, really, but if memory serves, at that point I think she was just stalling so her friends could either escape or pour the gasoline on the dock at Camp Crystal Lake.  So it didn't matter at that point what she said, she was just stalling for time.

Unfortunately it didn't work out for her as Jason hit her with a machete and she flew a good hundred feet or so into a tree. :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: Why do ppl hate Freddy's Revenge!?
Post by: Mr. DS on July 24, 2009, 09:12:05 PM
The Destiny's Child chick was one of those deaths I cheered for when it happened...literally.


Title: Re: Why do ppl hate Freddy's Revenge!?
Post by: HappyGilmore on July 24, 2009, 11:40:42 PM
The Destiny's Child chick was one of those deaths I cheered for when it happened...literally.
Everyone in the theater when I saw it, cheered happily. :teddyr:  She might be an okay singer, but can't act worth a lick.  Or maybe it was the way the character was written?


Title: Re: Why do ppl hate Freddy's Revenge!?
Post by: Doggett on July 25, 2009, 05:22:40 AM
I don't completely hate it, but there are a few scenes in it that felt like they really tried to force to be scary.  For instance, the lightning bolt hitting the dishes, or the exploding canary.  At both scenes, I just kind of shrugged my shoulders and said, "Okaaaaaay..." 

I still think the second one is leagues ahead of NOES 5. 

The fith one has a woman who turns into a cockroach.

That's enough for me to like it.  :thumbup:


Title: Re: Why do ppl hate Freddy's Revenge!?
Post by: Doc Daneeka on July 25, 2009, 11:37:20 AM
I don't completely hate it, but there are a few scenes in it that felt like they really tried to force to be scary.  For instance, the lightning bolt hitting the dishes, or the exploding canary.  At both scenes, I just kind of shrugged my shoulders and said, "Okaaaaaay..." 

I still think the second one is leagues ahead of NOES 5. 

The fith one has a woman who turns into a cockroach.

That's enough for me to like it.  :thumbup:
Don't you mean a man who turns into a motorcycle? o_o

I honestly rank Nightmare 2 as my favorite in the series (It had one of the most disturbing plots and the scariest Freddy by leagues), and put Nightmare 5 just a space or two below (Also a great plot). ...On the same note, who says it's forgettable or it doesn't fit in the series? After Nightmare 1, Fred realizes his dream-scheme failed and because of that tries to get back to the real world, and so he possesses a disturbed boy whose hallucinations he can make and control like others' dreams. After this new plan failed, Freddy simply went back to his dream kills (As was suggested at the end).


Title: Re: Why do ppl hate Freddy's Revenge!?
Post by: metalmonster on July 26, 2009, 05:06:31 PM
My Favorites In The Series Are 3, 4, And 5 But I Still Think The First Two Are Pretty Good


Title: Re: Why do ppl hate Freddy's Revenge!?
Post by: Joe the Destroyer on August 02, 2009, 03:43:18 PM
I don't completely hate it, but there are a few scenes in it that felt like they really tried to force to be scary.  For instance, the lightning bolt hitting the dishes, or the exploding canary.  At both scenes, I just kind of shrugged my shoulders and said, "Okaaaaaay..." 

I still think the second one is leagues ahead of NOES 5. 

The fith one has a woman who turns into a cockroach.

That's enough for me to like it.  :thumbup:

Silly Doggett, that was the fourth one.


Title: Re: Why do ppl hate Freddy's Revenge!?
Post by: Nightowl on January 08, 2010, 11:00:05 PM
I generally like almost all the Noes films (1-6) Noes 2:Freddys Revenge wasnt to bad, sure wasnt the best of the series. Noes 3 is still my favorite IMO.


Title: Re: Why do ppl hate Freddy's Revenge!?
Post by: diamondwaspvenom on January 09, 2010, 09:07:35 AM
I admit that the first time I watched this movie, I absolutely hated it. To me, it was stupid, boring and downright lame. However, upon giving Freddy's Revenge another chance, I found the film much more entertaining, and to this day, it remains as one of my favourite horror films.

Sure, the acting is nowhere near as good as the first one, but it's not terrible either. The special effects look great, although dated. Most of all, Christopher Young's score is terrific, giving a great atmospheric feel to the film.


Title: Re: Why do ppl hate Freddy's Revenge!?
Post by: El Misfit on January 09, 2010, 10:02:06 AM
never seen it, so i don't hate it


Title: Re: Why do ppl hate Freddy's Revenge!?
Post by: retrorussell on January 09, 2010, 08:24:43 PM
I didn't care for it too much because it was a bit too weird in terms of plot devices or things that happen for no particular reason.  It wasn't the worst of the series (that would be Freddy's Dead) but I couldn't really see myself watching it all the way through again.
I think the funniest thing about all the homosexual subtext in the film was the fact that the lead actor in the film was indeed gay.


Title: Re: Why do ppl hate Freddy's Revenge!?
Post by: Flick James on January 11, 2010, 05:56:02 PM
I don't have an answer why Revenge would be more widely panned than Dream Warriors, because Dream Warriors was godawful. I ONLY liked the original.


Title: Re: Why do ppl hate Freddy's Revenge!?
Post by: Nightowl on January 11, 2010, 07:49:59 PM
I don't have an answer why Revenge would be more widely panned than Dream Warriors, because Dream Warriors was godawful. I ONLY liked the original.

 :buggedout:

I'll give you two reasons: it was written by Wes Craven and the special effects.

NOES 3 has some of the better special effects in the franchise.



Title: Re: Why do ppl hate Freddy's Revenge!?
Post by: retrorussell on January 12, 2010, 12:39:08 AM
I agree about the FX in Elm St. 3, and I rather like the movie.. I own it, too.  I had misgivings about it taking place in a psych ward (!) but it turned out to be a good setting.  There were a couple dumb parts (like the Freddy snake), but it wasn't dull.  And I thought Craig Wasson and Priscilla Pointer were well cast as the doctors.  I saw it when it came out in theaters with my mom (!) and I still think it's the best of the series.  Of course, in the 4th one everything went downhill as Freddy became a wisecracker and the kids couldn't act worth a lick.  Oh, and where else have you seen a bad guy come back to life thanks to dog p**s?


Title: Re: Why do ppl hate Freddy's Revenge!?
Post by: Skull on January 19, 2010, 12:21:20 PM
hehe... I think part 2 was the best in the series becuase its really dark and Freddy seems more likely to be a child murdering monster then a cartoony anti-hero.

Saddly I do have mixed feelings with "Dream Warriors" because the story was very good for the franchise and made Freddy a house hold name. This was a good thing! But he was a cartoony anti-hero that wasnt ment to take serious.

Because "Dream Warriors" did so good in the boxoffice it seemed that Hollywood made a 180 spin and started to use cartoony "anti-heros" and devised a filmming/scripting method where the good guys are annoying bastards that you'll want to see diced, chopped and/or disemboweled... And for some apparent reason these cartoony anti-heros had a need to interject a "onelineer" or do something silly. It then removes the reason why we are waching a horror films at the first place (a rollercoaster ride ending) and replaced with cheesy gore effects, cartoon monsters and characters that you just dont care about.

I do think the success of Child's Play in the boxoffice help established the direction of Horror films for the rest of the 1980's and early 1990's.

:)