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I've just had to call the police, as a gang of kids no older than about 14 set a pram on fire outside my door. I'd actually heard them shouting and cursing earlier whilst I was trying to watch a film. I looked out of my window and was stunned to see one girl engaged in oral sex with some other kid. Remember these are kids are underage! This was in the middle of the street, outside people's houses!  :buggedout:

I've seen alot of bad stuff round here over the last 2 years, lots of violence and drugs, but this really shocked me. The police did nothing, not that they can or want to do anything. I feel like I'm some cranky old pensioner, but I can't relax with this type of stuff going on right outside. I fear I know in years to come that this country in particular is going to hell, led by toothless ape people raping each other into oblivion.  :hatred:

I am of the firm opinion that people need a belief system, some kind of moral code in order to curb their worst impulses.  Otherwise the beast in all of us takes over.

No, most kids are idiots.
Maybe I'll write some more about that, but for the moment, I'm tired.

I don't, and I never have used any kind of belief system with regards to religion. I use my brain, as an intelligent human being (I like to think). I never really stepped out of line as a kid 'cause I had discipline and knew right from wrong. I still know right from wrong (again, I like to think). I hear the parents of small children swearing at them over nothing, getting drunk in front of them and smoking in their faces. They grow up without respect and they're growing up stupid.

I've always thought it was a shame that morality and religion are so often seen as one in the same. Some people need religion to be "good" and if that's what it takes, whatever works, works, you won't hear criticism from me, but I've long wondered why we can't have basic truths held in high esteem (don't steal, don't kill, do unto others) without something like superstition behind them?

Exactly. I think alot religions teach about morals and values, right and wrong and I'm fine with that. It's just all the other stuff that goes along with it. If people want to hope for something to fall back on through the harsh reality of life then fair enough. Anyway, I don't want to get into that (You don't want me to get into that!). The point is, when I was their age (and this is only 10 years ago) I played out, played ball, rode my bike and collected stuff. It's essentially the same things my father and his father did years ago with even less technology and less outlets. This is where I turn against modern technology, where people have forgotten the simple things in life and children have become ungrateful and braindead. Granted, I wouldn't be able to type this or talk to you guys without modern technology, so it's doubled edged sword.

gangs are the future. we are seeing more gang activity than ever, and in areas that never had this problem before. im afraid of young people now, even though im young myself. i took me many years and some life changing bad-decisions to finally grow up and start thinking about self preservation and having a future. im sure most of you who are a child of the 90s are familier with the "I dont give a f**k" mentality thats out there. there are so many things that could be blamed for way children are turning out. there is  definate lack of personal responsibility in this country. it starts with the parents. most parents just dont have the time because they have to work so much, so alot of kids raise themselves. lack of opportunity, education, morals, conscience, love....blah blah blah. it seems as though the system has been designed to sort and fail people, there is research that supports this. ever seen that movie IDIOCRACY?

Kids are getting more and more out of control in this world.  Probably because many of them have no consequences to their actions.  That and the wrong people are having kids.  The gene pool is getting muddy.

That's why I moved my family out of the big city and into a small town.  It's like a freaking zoo.  Just too many people having kids when they can't even begin to be responsible for themselves, much less someone else.

That movie is the future.

So true. 

Also, I've seen a lot of shi**y parents out there.  Really bad parents.  Then when they get called out on it, they blame someone else for how screwed up their kids are.  "The schools should've taught our kids this."  Bullsh*t.

Katie is on her way back from the hospital with Garrett (2 years old).  They went there some hours ago because Andy (4 years old) wanted to be mean by shutting the door to the bathroom in Garrett's face when both boys were going to get their baths.  Andy slammed the door shut on Garrett's foot, he caught it between the door and the metal threshold between the carpet and tile.

Neither Katie nor I saw it happen, as we were grabbing stuff for baths for the three kids.  All of the sudden Garrett was lying on the floor screaming.  Andy wouldn't say what happened.  Katie had to search Garrett for an injury while I was trying to find out what happened. 

Katie took Garrett to the ER for examination.  The good thing is that Garrett is so young that nothing got broken, everything is flexible - it's just sprained and bruised.  An older child would have had a broken foot. 

I've told them repeatedly that slamming doors shut on each other would not be done because someone is going to get hurt.  Not telling me what happened because he was afraid of being punished, while his little brother screamed in pain, is not acceptable.  Andy might be only 4, but he's capable of learning right and wrong.  He knew what was right and wrong there.

I'll not be that parent.  My children will not be those children.  I love them, I tell them that, I will hug them and kiss them.  I will not let them hurt each other, nor lie to me.  They will learn right and wrong.  Andy got punished tonight, and he's grounded to his room tomorrow.  He needs time to think on what went on.  That should give him ample.

I blame bad parents. They just don't give a s**t about what their kids are doing. Either the TV, or "the street" will raise them.
I had a classmate. As I've heard, he's now an alcoholic.
He's 17.

Best wishes to you, and Garrett!

I live in a small town. I find it's worse than a big city, unless you are in the very centre. Most of the people in this town still haven't invented fire or the wheel yet...


Thanks for the input Andrew and I hope Garrett is okay.  :smile:

Circus is right.
I've lived in cities and small towns and kids in towns are definitely worse. They're like animals. Everybody should move to a London borough and leave the towns empty for people who think Stephen Gatley's death is news worthy.






I also send get well soon wishes for Garrett.

I thought that was a joke. I've only just seen that on Skynews.com, he was only 33.

Stuff like this is why I wish Amy and I hadn't broken up.  That was a family I would have given my right arm at the shoulder to marry in to.  Big, close-knit farming family, everyone in it holding high moral values and having strong work ethics.  There's something bizarrely entrancing about talking on the phone to Amy and having her say, "Hey, I gotta call you back, I gotta muck out the pig sty."

Circus,

It's funny.  When I think of England, images like the Queen and all those prim & proper people and customs come to mind.
Everyone has impeccable manners.
I picture rich English people drinking tea on the grounds of their lavish estates, then driving out on the countryside in their Aston Martins.
After that, they go fox hunting.  Riding their horses and wearing those weird outfits with the funny hats.  A pack of dogs out front yelping and barking as Charles and James ready their rifles.

You know, the stereotypical England depicted in movies and such.

You describe parts of England as this enormous s**thole!
It's weird to be shown what a place is like all your life only to find out that it has a dark and seedy underside.

That's what annoys me though dude, when it comes to the country being depicted in movies. It's either the mob culture that exists in parts of London or south coast snobs and bigots. Yes there are people who drink tea on rich estates, drive astons and have manners. We call them millionaires. All the toffs who've been born with silver spoons and are totally out of sync with the "real world". As for the scum that go fox hunting, they're in the pockets of the politicians thinking this country is their own boys club.

Note: I really hope from reading the above, that nobody is assuming I'm the slightest bit patriotic. I'm not. I 'm just callin' it as I see it.  :smile:

Some snaps from this wonderful country...

(http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00476/SNN2811b_476964a.jpg)
(http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/rmhttp/arts/apictureofbritain/images/gallery/wales/human/5/web/11187483474327385_1_web.jpg)
(http://i.thisislondon.co.uk/i/pix/2008/08/100-squatters-evicted-from-council-estate-415x275.jpg)
(http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_02/happyslapSWNS_468x399.jpg)

Wow, I don't know what to say... course, could you maybe be in a particularly bad neighborhood?  (Trying to recall who was it that used to post about all the other crazy s**t that went on in their area, trash throwers, drug dealers and whatnot...)

Okay, dumb question.. what's a "pram"?

Wow, I'm getting flashbacks from Trainspotting and Underground (although I doubt anyone else here has seen the latter, took me a bit of doing to even find that film.)

A kind of baby buggy.

I do live in a bad neighbourhood, but trust me (and Doggett will back me up), there are tons of them in every single village, town and city.

(http://api.ning.com/files/Zc*hDPYlwVvDp8HWsSSckhIXMpOHA1MLIb6rCX01cLFWP2bNPWfQ8MtoGEGx8T6NLSJvzfnCdQLu0gUgC-NRMtc67l5og8F2/beyoncea.jpg)

I live about 15 miles from this place.
It was raining hot women that day. Bloody annoying when that happens. :wink: They take ages to wash out of my hair.

Did someone remix another YES song and need an FHM video to go along with it??  :lookingup:

Hear Hear Brother...
A parent's job is to sometimes be the bad guy and teach hard lessons.   You have to work to turn out useful and responsible people.   Kids are not inherently bad people, but they do need to be trained in right and wrong. 


You know Circus, it seems that sort of mean-sprited foolishiness is pretty common in Britain. And has been for some time, my 40-something year old cousins would steal cars, joy ride, and light them on fire to end the evening.   To think broadly, America has less thrill crime, and more profit-motivated crime.  Of course I could be wrong, this is all of the top of my head.

-Ed

Kinda makes me think of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ltwX603Ft4

As a toothless ape rapist, I take offense.

Garrett seems to be fine now.  We had to watch him for a few days to make sure he wasn't limping or feeling pain in the foot.  Thanks to everyone for the well wishes.

William, I agree with you completely.  My job is to teach my children how to be citizens.  It's not to satisfy their every wish, protect them from everything, or make their life easy.  I let them fall down or do things that might hurt - so long as I've warned them, and whatever they are doing will not result in a serious or permanent injury I consider them learning exercises.

The first night after we brought Jenna and Garrett home from the hospital, and the first night I was home with Andy after returning from Iraq, I gave each of them a promise to teach them everything I could, to make them strong in mind, body, and spirit, to teach them right and wrong, and to protect them until they were ready to look out for themselves.  That's my promise to my children.

If anything I've learned, discipline needs to be quick and certain with kids.  If you keep saying, "don't do that please" they will keep doing it. 

I really think a lack of discipline (either from parents who don't care, don't know how to control their kids, etc.) and a lack of law enforcement is to blame. I honestly believe kids who commit crimes should do time same as adults...no difference, no no-how. You do a crime - you do time! Just there needs to be CONSEQUENCES for illegal actions and too many kids know that as youths, the friggin' law turns a blind eye more often than not and they gets frig all for the worst crimes even. They also sometimes use the "abuse" card against parents who just want to discipline kids threatening to tell authorities of imagined abuses and what not and to intimidate parents into giving into their demands. Drugs just makes things even worse.

 :bluesad: (sigh). What the hell is this world coming to? Society was supposed to progress, not degenerate. Why is it that parents don't know how to discipline their children? In fact, why bother having kids if you're not going to teach them proper morals?
Parents these days sicken me.

i feel ya. i know this BRAT who always does his "IMPORTANT" stuff first (mainly play video games and eat flaming re hots) and do his "NOT SO IMPORTANT" stuff at the last moment (like doing homework and helping people). AND he always gets his older brother in trouble, even when the older bro is innocent. :hatred: these kids these days, though i am well behaved and got what i wanted, which is LITTLE to what this BRAT gets  :hatred:

The morons next door are these parents.  The baby is SCREAMING and they scream back at it, like that will make it stop. The one and only hope, the mom, will freak out and scream for it to stop crying because she is sick of hearing it cry. They are smoking dope and most likely dealing dope (and pimping the mom or the mom's friend, but I can't prove any of this so no point in calling the cops, who are, sad to say, worthless in most cases). I can't even call human services as I can't PROVE any of this. As sad as it is to say, I hope the parents die in a single car accident and the kid gets put in a solid and supportive foster home. Otherwise, this kid is gonna make his worthless parents look like sterling examples of human kindness.

As far as gangs, there those who would disapprove, but if they are arrested in connection with any crime and they show a connection to a gang, the sentence is automatically tripled. If anyone dies in connection with this crime, whether directly or indirectly, and they are in gang, automatic death sentence with a 90 day appeal. I don't want to hear any bleeding heart crap about gangs being their only family. You are in a gang, you pay a higher price. End of story. Remove some of these career animals from existence, and you'll see gangs stop being a worthwhile choice.

Same rules apply to guns, but that is a different thread.

And, shockingly, I am a registered Democrat. Didn't vote for Obama, though.

You have a little brother, don't you? :teddyr:

nah, though i am the youngest of my family  :tongueout:

I have no facts or figures to back this up, but I was talking to a professor who studied crime rates and criminology claiming that crime has actually gone down in the past few centuries and years. Maybe this is due to there being less ways to haul a person to jail then there used to be (back in the middle ages the law could use any reason up to and including "looking at me bud!?!")

I grew up in a relatively quiet and safe middle-class suburban town (my parents still live there).  Over the past few years, it seems like teenagers and others from nearby cities and towns (including gang members) have started spending more time there.  A couple of local nightclubs have been under pressure from town officials because they have become hot-spots for drug trafficking and violence, often directly related to excessive drinking on the premises.  My parents have witnessed what appear to be drug deals taking place after dark on their street.  When I was a kid, this was sort of a LEAVE IT TO BEAVER town . . . seems like it's beginning to fall apart.

 

The whole part of all of this is the attitude of "What's YOUR problem?" and that if you try to help protect yourself or your community, you are either the bad guy or the target.

Someone shoves you in the mall. If you call them on it, you don't get a "I'm sorry". You get someone who is happy to slice you open because you called them on THEIR bad behavior. And they feed on that with the whole "snitch" line of crap. "Snitches deserve to die." I'd happily give my tax dollars to put a bat to the back of the head of every jackass who says that.

Just today, while riding the bus to see the doctor, I ended up hearing two sides of the same stupid argument, and both people were insane. One got the other kicked off a bus over something stupid (I've blocked that part out), yet the chick was talking about going after the chick she got kicked off the bus. Then I get on a different bus and there is the chick who got kicked off saying how she is gonna wait for the other chick when her bus goes back to the station so she can beat on her AND her kids.

This is exactly the behaviour I was getting at. It has happened to me so many times - I'm just minding my own business and someone will throw something at me or call me a name, and I'm not the type of person to lay down and take it. So, I will call a person on things of that nature, to which the response is almost always "come on then" (meaning they want a fight). Why? Why would a person be an a***ole and then be completely bemused as to why another takes offence? Plus, these people will pick on the wrong person one day and get put in the hospital. One young man learnt that the hard way when he picked on my ex-fiancee one time.

if you see them again, have baseball bat with you