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will ANYTHING finally get us to rethink our foreign policy?


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Good move to change that image, Lester.  I was literally about to edit the post when you did it for me.

It's not porn, but it does have nudity.  The picture shows two images of a woman as she might look through a TSA scanner.  In one the image is overexposed so you can't make out her facial features.  In the other you can clearly make out her features.  Frankly, I'm not sure I get the point. 

the point is that when you step through one of these scanners at the airport you will be nude.  there will be a real nude picture of you in a computer.  not one of these images you see that are anyonymous looking.

I'd say the whole thing is a pretty well perfect example of how we 've sacrafised our dignity to maintain our overseas empire

The person who designed the picture made a huge mistake by choosing an example where the woman depicted actually was smuggling a gun.  To me, that example instinctively suggests the scans are worth it.  Protecting lives is more important than protecting modesty.

I find it paranoid to suggest that TSA employees will be looking through 10,000 pictures a day to find scans of sexy women to post on the Internet, as the person who designed the picture implies.  It's conceivable, but its not something that concerns me.   

I understand other people may see it is a violation of their dignity.  But frankly, a naked picture of me sitting archived on a hard disc somewhere doesn't offend me in the slightest.  (Maybe if people actually wanted to see me nude I'd feel differently.  :wink:)  It may be a clear image if anyone ever looks at it, but it's effectively anonymous, because it's just one image with an assigned file name sitting among what will quickly grow to hundreds of millions of similar images.  My individual picture is a grain of sand on a beach.  It's only an issue if you think the "right" to never be seen naked is so inviolable that it can never be violated, no matter how small the infringement or how rational the reason for it.

And all the above depends on accepting that the image designer's example of how the scans will "really" look is accurate, an assertion I have little reason to accept.   

I also think the connection to "maintaining our overseas empire" is a huge stretch.  Whether you agree or disagree with American foreign policy, it's a fact that there are people who want to attack airplanes with the intent to kill as many people as possible.  The purpose of the scans is to protect lives, not push a political agenda.  I don't think foreign policy should be designed with the aim of appeasing fanatics. 

I think we should just agree to disagree.  I know you have strong, well-thought out opinions and love to debate, but I've stated my thoughts and I don't intend on getting sucked into a political argument.

I don't think the woman was ACTUALLY trying to smuggle a gun onto the plane. i 'd guess it's from a demonstration video of some kind.


I couldn't disagree more.  why do they want to attack us?  because we're in their countries.  You can't seperate the two issues.


lol you would have made a great KGB agent, comrade  :wink:

 
me either and I don't think domestic policy should be made with the the aim of appeasing fanatics in washington.



Also, I'm not trying to just start a pointless debate.  It's my understanding that these things are really coming to our airports and fairly soon.


peace bro

Thanks for the wink, otherwise I might have smacked you one for that outrageous insult.  :wink:

Isn't this pointless titillation and stirring the pot?  Have you actually seen the real scans? Or are you taking the word of some idiot on the internet?

This is about the same as saying technicians who do breast scans for cancer are going to post the photos for kicks.

Sorry, but this thread was really designed to pander to people's paranoia.  If the US government annoys you so much, consider taking an alternative choice. And trust me, I'm not a flag waver, but come on, Lester, you are better than this. 

javakoala-  you don't HAVE to get a breast scan and the your full body isn't in a breast scan.

you can't get on a plane if you don't go through one of thse scanners.


as opposed to whose.  the governments?  let's see how it plays out.  If the government can convince me that TSA agents will not be able to view nude people a la this picture than it's not a legitamte concern. 


fly some kind of non regulated airline? they don't exist. 


rev- I was only half kidding.  that is the type of thing the commies said to justify curtialing of civil liberties. 


I consider this a patriotic thread.  the people who are currently in office in DC have somehow convinced peopel it's okay to be naked in the airport in the name of the fight against radical islam.  I don't believe history will look kindly on us bending over for them that's all

Whomever is in office will use whatever they want to justify anything they want. Have we forgotten black listing and Commie hunting?

Taking the word of anything on the internet is a toss up. But let's say you are right. Let's say this can "optically" strip a person so you can see them naked. I tend to think the employees are the ones to worry about, not the "government". I work for the federal government, and I have access to information about people that I could abuse in such a way that it would be hard to trace it back to be before I was rich. But that is not what I do. I am there to help the people I talk to. There are times I see things that I wish I didn't have to see, but I need to access records to do my job. And I push it out of my head and move on.

There are people who will access this info to hurt others, just as in the case with the TSA scanners, but unless the workers are mentally warped, after the first few hundred people, they won't care about the bodies; they will just want to get to the end of their shift and pray they don't see a gun pop up in the scans.

As far as the government "making" us do things like this, flying IS a choice. There are ocean liners and cars and buses. But more to the point, since our government was originally formed, people have felt certain rules invaded their lives and their rights and their privacy. This is nothing new. Or did you just wake up one day and realize what goes on in modern life? We give up pieces of our freedom with every administration and have since day one.

The options are fairly simple: keep yourself aware of what is happening and do nothing, keep yourself aware and rebel actively against the government, turn a blind eye to everything or find a different government that does what you want it to and live under it.

right.  I wasn't implying that Barack Obama wanted to look at pictures of me naked.  It was that the emplyees who are acting on the power they have AS "the government" I was worried about. 

maybe the whole thing is a ruse to try and get muslims to not fly.


right YOU do.  others might not.  the best would be if NO ONE had that ability but in the case of whatever it is you do I assume it's a necessity.  I don't think it's utopian to say that maybe there are ways we don't have to appear naked at the airport, like maybe no invading and occupying so many countries thus incurring the wrath of the people of those countries, as we would no doubt do if they did it to us.



are you trying to give the terrorists ideas! lol

Anyway, I would prefer to not have wars in the middle east and not be naked at th airport so I am standing on principle.

or maybe I will just go to the airport naked.  I don't even have a flight.  I just want to be patriotic.

You go naked to the airport, DEFINITELY get pictures.  That would be a hoot.

Cheers, Lester.   :cheers:

I was only half-kidding as well.  I found your implication that I was some kind of totalitarian because I disagree with you on a very minor point of balancing privacy and security to be fallacious, outrageous and insulting. 

I love discussing movies with you, but when you discuss politics you turn to ad hominem attacks and ridiculous hyberbole.  I' ve avoided entering these kinds of threads in the past, but I allowed myself to get sucked in this time.  Won't happen again.         

I agree, Rev.  We'll leave politics to Fox News.   :teddyr:

rev- I meant no offense.  but just fyi communists DID justify all their curtailment of civil liberties by SOMETHING, generally "security".  the people who were arrested for sedition of some kinds were not arrested because they spoke out against the state but becase doing so allegedly imperiled it.  that's how it works. 

    everything is done for the "common good".  you give up your rights for the sake of safety. writing an ani communist pamphlet was an offront on your FELLOW CITIZENS because it could cause destablization, not because it WAS anti communist.

and again this isn't just a "politics debate", my understanding is we ARE going to have these things and guys in TSA uniforms will be able to see our wives and children naked and there will be nothing we can do about it.

   I guess I'm being obnoxious, but at least I'm not making you let me see your wives naked!  that's REALLY obnoxious if you ask me.

" But frankly, a naked picture of me sitting archived on a hard disc somewhere doesn't offend me in the slightest."

i second that, and god only knows how many of those of me are floating around out there!!

I think it's a victory of sorts for the terrorists.  maybe not as epic as blowing up an airliner but a victory nonethless.

Would you have any links, love?   :teddyr: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :teddyr:

hehehehe, only for $$

jak- get a job with the TSA you'll have more porno than you can handle

No thanks. I just have a thing for blond cheerleaders with Supergirl dreams...and little brunettes who giggle when you touch them just there.

Before I got too riled up about anything I'd want to see images from a credible source...

... images preferably of someone from this thread.

http://www.badmovies.org/forum/index.php/topic,113842.0.html

Send 'em to me... then we'll talk.

you can then take the image from the TSA and paste it onto a program as basic as microsoft paint (http://libertypulse.com/article/3841)