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6th of Romero's dead series.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd6JhPY1ij0

The last three were pretty good zombie movies, but can't compare to the first 3 IMO
Thoughts ?

George Romero = George Lucas

I wouldn't go that far, but he certainly could do better. I sort of enjoyed this last zombie film. It tries to go to a different place than the rest of the series, putting the main characters between a war of sorts between the two leaders of an island community. Sort of a werstern-themed zombie flick. And it has some great bits, such as the best use of a grenade ever in the gunfight at the docks, but Romero constantly fails to achieve the adequate mood. Things take too long or too short to happen, the mood of many scenes fails because of wooden acting or subpar filmmaking... This is one of those films that works here and there or can occasionally offer something different because it's not made according to Hollywood standards, but you end up missing just that.

I actually enjoyed this one much more than the last two Dead movies. It does fall short in that it does not really even seem like a full on zombie film, but more of a sort of Yojimbo type story. Some of the special effects were rather lame (notably the CGI at the beginning), but at other times they were very effective. Overall though I thought it was a solid entry in the series, and if Romero sees fit to update the time period from his own earlier films then at least SOTD is a direct sequel to the last one with some of the same characters. 

Pretty crap.  Bad writing, mediocre acting, ludicrous twists (the horse thing), very cheap looking production, a pointless storyline (honestly, there's no real point or message or even main idea uniting this, aside from a very weak "treatment of the dead" thing), an unbelievable western motif, bad characters (with one or two exceptions), poor action scenes, mediocre CG gore.  Just, blah.  

In general, I think if this had been a straight-to-DVD release by an unknown director, it'd already be basically forgotten.

4/10.

It wasn't bad.
It was kinda stupid though.
So what if zombies eat horses? They still eat humans.
And how are you going to teach the other zombies to eat animals? They aren't going to take a crash-course.
Still, I didn't regret seeing it.

Dude you have signed up for the wrong community the fancy schmancy movie club is somewhere else. We are all about the cheap

There's a difference between BEING cheap because of a lack of money or other such issues VS simply not using well what you have (compare it to Dawn of the Dead, which took a quite modest budget and used it EXTREMELY well).  Survival of the Dead looks cheap and feels LAZY.  And I really doubt, in adjusted dollars, that Night of the Living Dead has anywhere near the budget of Survival, and it's a far, far superior film and looks much better on several technical levels.  My conclusion here is Romero is simply losing his touch.  Or has already lost it, if this film and Diary are anything to by.

Hell, Colin sometimes looked better (poor video quality aside).  And that particular zombie film has a $70 budget.  

Of course, even if the film had looked fantastic, the bad writing and storyline would have sunk it no matter what.  

Edit to add: for comparison here, in adjusted dollars, Night of Living Dead's budget is around $700,000.  Dawn has an adjusted budget in the $1.65 million range.

Survival's was $4 million. 

One of the reasons behind the low budget nature of Romero's last two films is that since Land of the Dead he's been going the independent funding route, and as we all know, independent generally means low-budget.

I for one enjoyed Diary of the Dead, but I have to say, the plot of this one looks a little funny.  Still, it'll be another zombie film to watch and that's always fun!

What could have been improved in your opinion, tell us in detail. Just to yell bad CGI and writing is pretty lame.

OK.  That's not all I said, but I will elaborate a little.  It's a little harder to write about now, as I saw it a few weeks ago and so little was memorable I've already forgotten a good deal.  This is a scattershot, no structure to these critiques.  These are just critiques, as I don't really feel the need to suggest to many improvements.  Romero clearly can (or once could) do better.  So I'll just list a few more details of what I thought was done WRONG.

SPOILERS below.

For a start, we needed more interesting characters.  Aside from Patrick O'Flynn, few characters are interesting.  Crockett has some slight development, but he never really moves beyond a gruff "sarge" type.  Tomboy is a lesbian.  That's about all we get.  The kid who joins them can shoot, that's all we ever get.  Patrick's daughter is likewise flimsy and uninteresting.  She's vulnerable and cares about her father.  Sort of.

Aside from this, motivations are slight.  Muldoon doesn't want to shoot zombies, to the point of fighting to the death to protect them, but then he's quite gung ho about shooting them at the slightest provocation next time we see him.  He wants to co-exist with zombies, and makes this big deal out of teaching them to eat animals.  So what?  The army characters walk into what they believe is a trap because..  Basically...  They can't think of anything else to do.  Really?

The action sequences, as I said, are poor and there aren't many of them.  Rarely do we get a sense of urgency - shots consist of characters in a narrowly defined geographic areas standing around and shooting off camera.  The zombies fall over and die.  Occasionally, rather haphazardly, a zombie gets close and attacks someone out of no where.  Think of the zombies that somehow sneak up on people on the boat a couple times.  Where did they come from?  It's just an excuse for lazy "boo" scares.

Compare it to, say, the mall cleanup scene in Dawn, where we see characters running around, POV shots of shooting, palpable danger with low shots of  zombies closing in on the camera, grappling, and so on.  Or any of the action scenes in Land, which were also much better constructed.

The central feud comes across as silly.  I guess all feuds like that are, but we basically are just thrust into a family feud, and then Patrick gets booted off and isn't really involved with the feuding family again until the finale.  

Janet reaching out to her sister comes across as completely ridiculous, given that Janet has previously survived for weeks/months next to many undead on the island.  There's only so much character stupidity I can take, and this film goes over that line.  Likewise with a bunch of zombies all in a barn, not really restrained in any way at all.  I mean, talk about stupid.  And this from animal farmers, who are experienced in keeping animals locked up.

Oh yeah, and the horse scenes?  They just look ridiculous.  The movie also treats this scene almost reverently, as if this were some major reveal.  So zombies will eat animals as well.  So what?


**END SPOILERS**

I might add I did enjoy some aspects of the film.  There were a few good kills, bits of dialog and character interaction I liked, and I quite enjoyed the character of Patrick.  But, I still feel I'm being fairly generous with giving the film a 4/10.

I bought the DVD and watched it over the weekend.  It was okay at best . . . I think Romero has said all he has to say about zombies.  I thought the CGI was out of place for a Romero film.  It made me long for the days when Tom Savini was on the set with foam latex appliances and fake blood.  I think I'll go home and watch DAWN OF THE DEAD and MARTIN.  **sigh**

I was very pleasantly surprised with the film.  I really went into it with low expectations after Diary left me unimpressed.  I have to say that I had a lot of fun with Survival.  Yeah, it wasn't great.  Yeah, the CGI was awful in some spots.  Otherwise, it felt like a Romero film.  The zombies are still brutal and the real monsters are the humans, as always.  Its certainly the best of his post-Day Of The Dead zombie films. 

I guess I'm in the minority, but I thought DIARY OF THE DEAD was a totally superior film to this one.

You're not alone, I also find it much better than this one.

I didn't like Diary much at all, but I thought it was better made and better written.

Same here.  Survival only had one link to the entire Dead series, and that was
the fact that in the end, the one zombie sister had finally done something that was previously attempted in Day Of The Dead--she ate flesh other than human flesh (when she ate the horse.)  This is what the scientists had tried to achieve all along.

Other than that, I found the film to be more of the same old Romero ideology of the hero and the villian in post-apocalyptic America. It gets a bit thin.

I've thought a zombie ate a mouse (or rat) in Night of the Living Dead (1968).

I don't care if the undead eat at Wendy's. In the (cough) remake of "Day of the Dead" they had a vegan zombie, and that didn't make the movie any better.

lol... after the original Day of the Dead I caution myself into watching any more of Romero's zombie films... (Yes, I dont like the original Day of the Dead movie)

When I heard the remake has a vegan zombie, my first thought was:

(http://primetime.unrealitytv.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/robert-englund.png)

my second though was...

(http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/sni/lowres/snin30l.jpg)

anyway I had a mental image another lovable zombie like Bub, becomming friends with the humans...

(http://www.best-horror-movies.com/images/Day-of-the-dead-Bub-small.jpg)

That was in the remake.  They originally made the point that zombies will only eat humans in, IIRC, Day of the Dead. 

I guess (it's been a long time since I've seen the films, I just recall a zombie sitting under a tree and snatching a mouse and eating it.)... either case the idea that the zombie will eat animals is very old... so eating a horse isnt shocking.

On the other hand I'm happy that Romero is still focused on zombie survival it makes my book a much better story (since it takes place 30 years after the invasion).

In NOTLD 68' it was a bug on a tree.  The mouse was in NOTLD remake from 1990.

In the 1990 film, a more realistic attempt was made to depict the creatures as ones of some degree of reasoning, thus the way the zombie looked at and studied the mouse to see what it was before he ate it. I think it was more of the primal reaction of the ghouls. Or perhaps,  , this was an allusion to what would later happen in SOTD as all manner of flesh became fair game.  Just a thought.

Didn't Romero say that Diary and Survival aren't in the same universe as the first four films?  I might be remembering wrong though...

Jim H,

You're correct.  Romero said he wanted to start out with a different vision of the zombie attack.  Diary and Survival are not in the same universe as the original films. 

What confuses people about Diary (imho anyhow) is the fact that the radio broadcasts seem to have that same "breaking news story" feel that the TV broadcast in NOTLD 68' had.  So to the untrained viewer, it seems as if it's the same timeline, and these kids are stuck in the woods at the same time the NOTLD crew were fighting for their own lives as the dead began rising all over the general U.S.

I'm pretty much in agreement with Jim H on this one. He's already nailed the major flaws I would have argued about, so I won't belabor the point.

Romero is justifiably the father of the modern zombie, and he followed NIGHT with the masterful DAWN. Unfortunately, the rest of his catalog is very erratic. BRUISER, for example, is an awful film.

SURVIVAL is just so half-hearted in many ways. Romero still wants to use his zombie films as social commentary, but his moral compass is reductionist at best. I got ya', feuds are bad. And?

I wouldn't savage the film. It's not like it's terrible, just not very good. If I had to guess, I'd say the reason Romero keeps going back to these zombie films is because they make money. Can't fault the guy for that, but these movies are a pretty far cry from vital horror movie canon.

I like the irony of the title

Well, money is good, but sometimes you have to remember that you get what you pay for. As for me, I got to see it free on demand, so I spent nothing on it. 

Point being, it seems that be it movies (or game franchises) it seems that money is the object, and that quality makes a rare appearance in such endeavors these days.

As to vital horror movie canons, I don't really thing there are any today. many movies that wind up on Chiller or "syfy" are CGI garbage that gets thrown to the wall in hopes that it sticks.  With such "greatness" it seems the best days are ahead of us.......

I couldn't sleep the other night and it was 5 am.
So I decided to watch Survival of the Dead streaming from Netflix..
I really enjoyed this movie!
It was much better than "Diary of the Dead".

I need to re-watch this again and count how many headshots there are.
There are tons of headshots!   :cheers:

I'm with Ash with this one.  I'm not understanding the hate/disappointment.  I went into it expecting a low budget modern zombie film.  I got out of it exactly what I expected. 

I love Romero.  I have a pet named after the man.  NOTLD and Dawn are the two best zombie films ever crafted, in my opinion.  That being said, I can separate the old Romero from the new.  This new Romero is more interested in testing the waters of CGI and making a quick buck.  As long as it's a fun little film, I'm in.

There's a Romero's dept. store in Dead Rising too  :wink:

One thing that was addressed in this film that wasn't in the other films,  was whether or not blood can transmit the disease to others  (the scene where the one guy was swimming and bit the finger off of a zombie to avoid his grasp.)  For years it was only confined to the bite. That was a nice touch.

While I myself can also separate new from old in Romero's case, my dislike comes from the state of horror films in general. Seems there's not much to like these days.

Dankjewel......

Well, NOTLD and Dawn are low-budget zombie films, and as you said they are amazing.

I'll admit I expect a lot out of zombie films. The bar has been set pretty high, no matter the budget. Survival seems like Romero coasting. I don't just consider the film poor for a Romero film, I consider it poor for a cheap zombie movie. Just so very half-hearted.

So it was not a great movie, no biggie. And I'm not going to begrudge Romero putting money in his pocket coasting on his reputation. If anybody deserves more money than has been thrown his way, it's Romero. But Survival is just not very good. I guess I enjoyed it for what it was, but it's just so purely non-essential.