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Title: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: BTM on July 02, 2010, 10:03:04 AM
Holy crap, I get it now!  This movie explains everything!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4uuGvmAxTI&feature=player_embedded

Or you can read the article the movie's based on: http://theoatmeal.com/story/twilight (http://theoatmeal.com/story/twilight)


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: ulthar on July 02, 2010, 10:39:47 AM
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Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: JPickettIII on July 02, 2010, 11:07:49 AM
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Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: Flick James on July 02, 2010, 12:33:34 PM
Unbelievably outstanding. That's all I can say. I've never read nor ever will read any of the books, and I regret I sat through the first Twilight movie, and it makes perfect sense. The empty shell aspect is exactly the key to what makes this annoying (annoying is not nearly strong enough of a word for it) phenomenon work. I can stomache the True Blood stuff, at least it's for grown-ups. Thanks for posting that.


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: Jack on July 02, 2010, 12:37:18 PM
Excellent  :teddyr:


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: Doggett on July 02, 2010, 01:08:09 PM
All I can see is a white box with a exclamation mark in it.
I've been getting it where the adds should be on this site too.


Whats wrong with my computer? :question:


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: Jim H on July 02, 2010, 01:18:46 PM
Yeah, that's pretty much what I figured.  For those who can't see the video, it basically states Twilight pulls a Half-Life - having a main character devoid of any personality or description so that anyone can sink into the role.  And she has a perfect boyfriend who listens to her every whim.  In other words, pr0n for women.

What the video fails to clarify is what differentiates Twilight from seventy billion romance novels, of which I suspect many are quite similar.


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: Flick James on July 02, 2010, 02:10:49 PM
All I can see is a white box with a exclamation mark in it.
I've been getting it where the adds should be on this site too.


Whats wrong with my computer? :question:

Had the same thing, just click on the link for the article. I'm sure the video is outstanding, but the article is outstanding as well, and it's pretty much the same thing, right?


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: Paquita on July 02, 2010, 10:35:06 PM
If something terrible happens and I somehow get sucked into this Twilight garbage and like it, please don't hate me.  I've resisted it so far, despite several attempts to turn me, but I fear I'm wearing down.

I hope there's not some lame reason for loving Harry Potter.


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: BTM on July 03, 2010, 12:08:54 AM
I'd add another thing to the article... in the later books, this one-dimensional Bella gets not one but TWO improbably hot looking guys fighting over her!  Wow, what female wouldn't dream of that?

Good thing there's only ONE more movie left to be made, then maybe I can stop hearing about this crap.

For another hysterical article on Twilight, check out Cracked's take on it... http://www.cracked.com/funny-36-twilight/ (http://www.cracked.com/funny-36-twilight/)


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: Jim H on July 03, 2010, 04:10:05 AM
No, two movies.  They're splitting Breaking Dawn in half.   :lookingup:


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: Jack on July 03, 2010, 06:26:35 AM
For another hysterical article on Twilight, check out Cracked's take on it... [url]http://www.cracked.com/funny-36-twilight/[/url] ([url]http://www.cracked.com/funny-36-twilight/[/url])


Gawd, it sounds like Beverly Hills 90210  :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: Derf on July 03, 2010, 09:04:29 AM
I hope there's not some lame reason for loving Harry Potter.

Sorry, Paquita, but there is: J.K. Rowling sold her soul to the devil.  :tongueout:


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: Paquita on July 03, 2010, 09:31:01 AM
I hope there's not some lame reason for loving Harry Potter.

Sorry, Paquita, but there is: J.K. Rowling sold her soul to the devil.  :tongueout:


I'm OK with that.  It's kind of a cool reason.


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: ChaosTheory on July 03, 2010, 10:19:21 AM
I'd add another thing to the article... in the later books, this one-dimensional Bella gets not one but TWO improbably hot looking guys fighting over her!  Wow, what female wouldn't dream of that?


It's not just Edward and Jacob either; EVERY DAMN BOY SHE COMES INTO CONTACT WITH wants to get with her.  I read and barely finished the first book (because I simply wanted to see what the big deal was, and b/c I didn't feel right criticizing something I didn't have any firsthand knowledge of) and, well, it's a mess.  The movie is correct about Bella being a blank slate that the reader can project herself onto.  Her looks are never described, the only character development we're given at all is that she's clumsy and likes to cook.  But every male in Forks practically throws himself at her - except Edward at first, who is in fact a rude dismissive jerk to her for the first third of the book and a possessive jealous jerk for the next two-thirds.

I don't mind the projection aspect of it: Many romance stories feature bland heroines so the reader can live vicariously, though I'd be hard-pressed to find a Mary Sue type quite as empty as Bella manages to be.  And it's clear this is a middle-aged woman who wants to retcon her own high school experience into what her ideal high school experience (and I suppose, the ideal of many girls) would be:  boys tripping all over themselves for you, without you having to do anything at all to warrant their attention. 
OK, fair enough.  I admit, there's been times when I wanted to live a fictional romantic character's life; when I was 14 I read Jane Eyre and fell head-over-heels for Rochester.  At 19 I watched Branagh's version of Much Ado About Nothing and bemoaned my lot that no real life guy could be as awesome as Benedick.  I found myself projecting onto Carrie from Sex & the City on occasion (although it was that sweet rent-controlled NYC apartment, and not any of the guys, that I really wanted)  So I can kind of understand where these fans are coming from. 
But here's the big problem for me:  of all the boys in the story, Edward is by far the Worst.  He has no redeeming qualities beyond his looks; in fact he displays all the textbook signs of an abuser.  He listens to her talk, yes, but he tends to dismiss her opinion as often as not; he witholds attention (and sex) at his convenience; he wants her to lie to and cut herself off from her father (b/c Edward's the only person who's allowed to be protective of her!) he gets p**sy when she spends time with her other friends; he SNEAKS INTO HER HOUSE AT NIGHT AND STARES AT HER WHILE SHE'S SLEEPING.  She becomes his doormat, even to the point where she wants to DROP OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL  so she can MARRY HIM AND HAVE HIS MUTANT BABY.  And this is all presented to impressional adolescents as the Ultimate Romantic Ideal. 
And I haven't even brought up the messed up things the author does to Jacob's character in the later books.  Fad or not, Stephanie Meyer is an appalling person.


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: The Gravekeeper on July 03, 2010, 11:43:00 AM
Yeah...it seems I'm one of the few people with ovaries who didn't get sucked into this. I tried reading one of the books just to see what all the fuss was about, and what little I read (before I was unable to continue due to uncontrollable laughter and revulsion) stank of self-insert Mary Sue fan-fiction. Yeah, sorry, but if you take away all the "pretty" words (some of those adjectives were just misused resulting in some very odd mental images) what you have is an emotionally abusive pedophile trying to control a manipulative little b***h.

At least Meyer's bored of vampires now, so there'll be no more new Twilight books. I'm just concerned about whatever poor monster or subject she decides to write about next since the woman demonstrates all the writing ability of a 14 year-old girl with a thesaurus.


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: BTM on July 03, 2010, 08:10:11 PM
No, two movies.  They're splitting Breaking Dawn in half.   :lookingup:

(yells several really loud swear words)


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: Kthulhu on July 04, 2010, 08:20:15 AM
Two days ago I had to sit through the latest one. It puts a Seagal movie to shame (everybody starts breaking necks). One cannot hope to explain the stupidity contained in that movie (and the entire series including of course the books). And things like that are considered as literature. Hopefully like 10-something years later this will be considered as a bad movie and then everybody will be wieving it for laughs.


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: Mr. DS on July 04, 2010, 07:51:48 PM
I've reviewed Twilight and New Moon on my blog.  Honestly, some of the most fun reviews for me to do because my wife and her buddies LOVE this series and it was a pleasure to bash it.  I however, as stated in other threads, have given up on it.  The plot line, although easy to trash for it's shallow idiocy, is just torturous to get through.  None of the characters are even remotely likeable.  And really, there is no plot line to follow.  Edward (as ChaosTheory brilliantly covered already) is a prick and Jacob is a lost puppy dog who simply can't take "no" for an answer. Bella, as the video states, is in fact a Lego block which make me give a sh!t less about her.  She picks a prick over a nice guy so why should any viewer or reader for that matter give a crap about her well being.  Since it is her story, that seems counterproductive plot wise.

I doubt I will be partaking in the last two stories because I just don't care.  If I do it will be for review purposes only and I will have to get hammered before watching.  Time for shameless self promotion, here are the links to the first two film reviews I did;
http://darksidersrealm.blogspot.com/2009/10/plot-as-loving-husband-i-find-myself.html
http://darksidersrealm.blogspot.com/2009/11/hungry-like-shapeshifter.html


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: ulthar on July 04, 2010, 10:10:34 PM
Hey, DS...I read your reviews.

Very funny, especially with Tool's Schism playing while I read the first one.

Good Job.   :thumbup:


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: BTM on July 05, 2010, 01:16:56 AM
Bella, as the video states, is in fact a Lego block which make me give a sh!t less about her.  She picks a prick over a nice guy so why should any viewer or reader for that matter give a crap about her well being.  Since it is her story, that seems counterproductive plot wise.


I like how the article on Cracked puts it, basically they say, "Halfway through, Stephenie Meyer realizes that Jacob Black is far cooler than Edward and performs a quick character assassination by having him mouth-rape her.


I doubt I will be partaking in the last two stories because I just don't care.  If I do it will be for review purposes only and I will have to get hammered before watching.  Time for shameless self promotion, here are the links to the first two film reviews I did;
[url]http://darksidersrealm.blogspot.com/2009/10/plot-as-loving-husband-i-find-myself.html[/url]
[url]http://darksidersrealm.blogspot.com/2009/11/hungry-like-shapeshifter.html[/url]


So lets see...we have a introverted female lead that is not only bipolar and poor in choosing boyfriends, she's also a raving schizophrenic. Christ, I'm so glad teenage girls reading this are looking up to her, I really am.

AHAHAHA!!  Good one!


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: Doggett on July 05, 2010, 06:17:34 AM
Here's someone else who can't stand Twilight.

http://stoney321.livejournal.com/317176.html (http://stoney321.livejournal.com/317176.html)


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: Mr. DS on July 05, 2010, 08:24:12 AM
Thanx for the compliments guys.  Yeah, watching those films just confused the hell out of me as to why people find this story entertaining.  It literally comes down to;

Edward: "We shouldn't be together"
Bella: "But we should...I love you..."
Edward: "No we shouldn't, I love you but I'm leaving you."

Bella runs to Jacob

Jacob: "Bella, we should be together...I love you."
Bella: "I can't, I love Edward."
Jacob: "Well, why don't you love me."
Bella: "Because I love Edward..."

repeat 50x until a real problem arises and is vanquished in a rather silly two minute fashion

I will say too that Bella is a repulsive c*ck tease and the whole Cullen clan are c*ck blocks.  Every time Jacob is about to get some action, either she shuts him down or the Cullens arrive to stop it.  Side note on Edward, his character is even worse on film because of Robert Pattinson.  The guy can't act his way out of a bag and he is playing an obnoxious wooden a-hole.   I will say that at least Taylor Lautner can act.  Kristin Stewart can too as long as she is on screen with the right cast members.


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: 3mnkids on July 05, 2010, 09:16:55 AM
Bella is a manipulative b***h. Even more so in Eclipse. Yes, I watched it.   :teddyr:  I only wanted to see the wolves(they are kinda cool) and the vampires fight. unfortunately it took 90 painful minutes to get too and was over way to fast.  Soooo not worth it.

I cant understand the fascination with these characters. How can anyone like Bella? Edward is a total psycho stalker, and Jacob is a pathetic loser... In Jacobs defense Bella does lead him on but still... grow a pair!

I do like the Alice character   :smile:


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: InformationGeek on July 05, 2010, 09:32:35 AM
Bella is a manipulative b***h. Even more so in Eclipse. Yes, I watched it.   :teddyr:  I only wanted to see the wolves(they are kinda cool) and the vampires fight. unfortunately it took 90 painful minutes to get too and was over way to fast.  Soooo not worth it.

I cant understand the fascination with these characters. How can anyone like Bella? Edward is a total psycho stalker, and Jacob is a pathetic loser... In Jacobs defense Bella does lead him on but still... grow a pair!

I do like the Alice character   :smile:

You saw Eclipse?  I have some questions then.  Would you say this is better or worse than the last two movies?  Was Dakota Fanning in it (I know she was in last movie) and if she was, was she any good?  I am a fan of hers and I am deeply disappointed that she ended up this series.  So much talent wasted.


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: 3mnkids on July 05, 2010, 09:56:37 AM
Bella is a manipulative b***h. Even more so in Eclipse. Yes, I watched it.   :teddyr:  I only wanted to see the wolves(they are kinda cool) and the vampires fight. unfortunately it took 90 painful minutes to get too and was over way to fast.  Soooo not worth it.

I cant understand the fascination with these characters. How can anyone like Bella? Edward is a total psycho stalker, and Jacob is a pathetic loser... In Jacobs defense Bella does lead him on but still... grow a pair!

I do like the Alice character   :smile:

You saw Eclipse?  I have some questions then.  Would you say this is better or worse than the last two movies?  Was Dakota Fanning in it (I know she was in last movie) and if she was, was she any good?  I am a fan of hers and I am deeply disappointed that she ended up this series.  So much talent wasted.

I did and im so ashamed   :teddyr:  I would say this is by far the worst of the three. They could have shaved off 45 minutes by just eliminating some of the  repetitive dialogue between edward/bella/jacob..Its painful.

She is in it for a few minutes and I was not impressed. She only has a few lines but she delivers them like the rest of the cast.. flat.


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: Mr. DS on July 05, 2010, 11:24:25 AM
Bella is a manipulative b***h. Even more so in Eclipse. Yes, I watched it.   :teddyr:  I only wanted to see the wolves(they are kinda cool) and the vampires fight. unfortunately it took 90 painful minutes to get too and was over way to fast.  Soooo not worth it.

I cant understand the fascination with these characters. How can anyone like Bella? Edward is a total psycho stalker, and Jacob is a pathetic loser... In Jacobs defense Bella does lead him on but still... grow a pair!

I do like the Alice character   :smile:

You saw Eclipse?  I have some questions then.  Would you say this is better or worse than the last two movies?  Was Dakota Fanning in it (I know she was in last movie) and if she was, was she any good?  I am a fan of hers and I am deeply disappointed that she ended up this series.  So much talent wasted.

I did and im so ashamed   :teddyr:  I would say this is by far the worst of the three. They could have shaved off 45 minutes by just eliminating some of the  repetitive dialogue between edward/bella/jacob..Its painful.

She is in it for a few minutes and I was not impressed. She only has a few lines but she delivers them like the rest of the cast.. flat.
Wow opening weekend no less too!   :bouncegiggle:

Ok heres my thing with the Volturi.  SPOILERS AHEAD (not that anyone will care here  :teddyr:)

They had the potential to be such awesome antagonists in the series.   Lets face it, the book is weak plot wise as it is but at least a couple of good baddies could have save it right?  The Volturi are an ancient clan of governing vampires who will stop at nothing to kill those who break the ancient law.  Has plenty of potential right? Hell thats better than the three rogue laughable vampires they pass off as the bad guys in the first three who simply come off as high school punks.   

So anyhow, by the last book the mighty Volturi are about to come down and wreak havoc on everyone.  Oh yeah! Blood bath baby on both sides man!   When they arrive...both sides stare at each other...and stare...and stare...and eventually they kind of say "aw f*ck it"...AND WALK AWAY!!!  Seriously this is the most stupid f'n book every written!!! 

END SPOILERS

I'm going to say this whole film series will eventually sit comfortably in our bad movie film culture once it's popularity dies down.   It is layden with so much friggin' awfulness!  I would almost challenge anyone on this board to sit through it to see if you don't end up laughing hysterically by the end of it. 


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: 3mnkids on July 05, 2010, 12:30:06 PM
Continuing SPOILER****



The Volturi do something very similar in Eclipse. They are sent to Seattle because of killings and disappearances. They know its a newborn army doing it and actually witness them killing people and they just walk away. They show up after the wolves/cullens/newborn army fight and what do they do? They kill the only survivor of the newborn army, A young girl who is scared and didnt fight.  :lookingup: 


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: Mr. DS on July 05, 2010, 08:21:03 PM
You know what else is mildly disturbing, the underlying jailbait themes throughout the books.  Edward falls in love with Bella who is in her late teens.  Granted he was turned at around her age but he's like 100.  Jacob falls in love with Bella's daughter enough to mark her with a love stamp.  Creepy man...just f'n creepy.  Gawd, is anything right with these stories? 


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: Evollove on July 05, 2010, 08:39:44 PM
yes it is pedophilia all the way!! even 20-year old guys find high school girls annoying

also, this was written by a mormon

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ktwroxEuRT1qzt97zo1_500.jpg)


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: Chainsawmidget on July 07, 2010, 12:46:39 AM
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The guy can't act his way out of a bag and he is playing an obnoxious wooden a-hole. 
Well, it's at least more personality than the guy gets in the book. 


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: Skull on July 07, 2010, 11:26:06 AM
Why is Twilight popular?

Because goth chicks are getting tired of Edward Scissor Hands and Nightmare Before Christmas.

Personally, I think some of the Harry Potter readers are getting older and looking for mature material, its not actually bad and it seems that Twilight has came in on the right time. (hehe... I actually think many Goosebump fans started reading Harry Potter for the very same reason)

I do sense the annoyance by some of the people on the message boards and I think its mostly Hollywoods fault then Twilight; because Hollywood is too busy producing "remakes" and films focused to 13-year-olds (Since PG-13 is the new rated R and rated R versions of the films is called "unrated" and sold in walmart.)

Would I ever watch this movie or read the books... hehe... No! 


lol... funny video!!!








Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: wickednick on July 08, 2010, 04:19:23 PM
This is raunchy but would make for such a better movie. If your a guy that is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOpyyrtzgBU&feature=player_embedded


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: Skull on July 08, 2010, 08:40:27 PM
@ wyckednick ~ Actually there is a movie already...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33988JSCCnA

PS: One of the better vampire stories that I have seen since Fright Night :)


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: feiyen on July 09, 2010, 03:44:28 AM
Well the popularity may actually take a sharp dive if and when that forth movie comes out. As these reviews from Amazon prove so
SPOILERS AHEAD (not that anyone cares)
http://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Dawn-Twilight-Stephenie-Meyer/dp/0316067938/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1278664485&sr=8-3 (http://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Dawn-Twilight-Stephenie-Meyer/dp/0316067938/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1278664485&sr=8-3) scroll alllll the waaayyy to the bottom to customer reviews and read the 3 reviews. , and trust me, there lengthy. I personally liked the third one. I have to say after reading it my only reason to watch this last movie is for the birth part. Sounds gory, fun!

Apparently S.Meyer must have gotten tired of this series as this one fan quotes "Why didn't you just sell a book that just says, "To all my fans: F%*# YOU."
also liked :"I was ready to drive to Arizona, find Stephenie Meyer's house, and burn it down. "


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: Skull on July 09, 2010, 06:46:32 AM
Well the popularity may actually take a sharp dive if and when that forth movie comes out. As these reviews from Amazon prove so
SPOILERS AHEAD (not that anyone cares)
[url]http://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Dawn-Twilight-Stephenie-Meyer/dp/0316067938/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1278664485&sr=8-3[/url] ([url]http://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Dawn-Twilight-Stephenie-Meyer/dp/0316067938/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1278664485&sr=8-3[/url]) scroll alllll the waaayyy to the bottom to customer reviews and read the 3 reviews. , and trust me, there lengthy. I personally liked the third one. I have to say after reading it my only reason to watch this last movie is for the birth part. Sounds gory, fun!

Apparently S.Meyer must have gotten tired of this series as this one fan quotes "Why didn't you just sell a book that just says, "To all my fans: F%*# YOU."
also liked :"I was ready to drive to Arizona, find Stephenie Meyer's house, and burn it down. "



lol baby eating the mother from the insides... Hmmmm I could actually believe this is what you are going to get if a human mates with a vampire...


hehe... the book sounds like a real horror story... although I'm a little bothered by the fans if they dont like the book after the first 100 pages then why keep reading it...


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: InformationGeek on July 09, 2010, 06:55:40 AM
Hey guys, sorry to get off what you are currently talking about, I found an interesting statement that you may be interested in:

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That "love" between Bella, Edward, and Jacob isn't love. It's far more basic and potentially far more evil. Bella sees Edward and Jacob for what they basically are: Immortal, forever young boy toys. She's a horny teenage girl who meets a vampire (as defined by Meyer) and, once realizing she can become a vampire herself and can potentially have this glittering beautiful man for eternity, she jumped on it.

Somehow this pasty white girl from Forks managed to manipulate Edward Cullen and Jacob to do anything she wants by dangling the false hope of a fulfilling relationship (and sex) in front of them. And when robbed of her chance at immortality and eternal youth and eternal hot pasty glittery white boy sex, she self-destructs. It wasn't because she "loved" Edward. No, it was because without Edward, she would grow old and die. She literally "couldn't live (forever) without him." And to a teenager, is there any worse fate?

She's using Jacob to make Edward jealous, hoping in his jealousy and his lust and his desire that he does grant her the immortality she desires, even if it means people die.

But like most people don't see the evil in Ferris Beuller, the intended audience for Twilight can't see Bella for what she is. They see Edward, an outcast from the normal world, cursed with immortality and bloodlust, fall in love with a mortal girl who he doesn't want to suffer as he has. They see Bella caught in this hopeless relationship, see their mutual desire, that whole forbidden romance thing.. and eat it up. Throw in a "love triangle" and it's a hit.

Edward may honestly love and desire Bella, but to her, Edward is a means to an end. And while there are many vampiric fish in the sea, she wants this one even if she has to break his heart and the hearts of every man around her to do it.

...now that I think about it, maybe the fans do notice this and love it. Who knows? Food for thought. :3

Kind of explains that whole romance thing between everyone now, doesn't it?   :wink:


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: Mr. DS on July 09, 2010, 09:42:39 AM
Well the popularity may actually take a sharp dive if and when that forth movie comes out. As these reviews from Amazon prove so
SPOILERS AHEAD (not that anyone cares)
[url]http://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Dawn-Twilight-Stephenie-Meyer/dp/0316067938/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1278664485&sr=8-3[/url] ([url]http://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Dawn-Twilight-Stephenie-Meyer/dp/0316067938/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1278664485&sr=8-3[/url]) scroll alllll the waaayyy to the bottom to customer reviews and read the 3 reviews. , and trust me, there lengthy. I personally liked the third one. I have to say after reading it my only reason to watch this last movie is for the birth part. Sounds gory, fun!

Apparently S.Meyer must have gotten tired of this series as this one fan quotes "Why didn't you just sell a book that just says, "To all my fans: F%*# YOU."
also liked :"I was ready to drive to Arizona, find Stephenie Meyer's house, and burn it down. "



lol baby eating the mother from the insides... Hmmmm I could actually believe this is what you are going to get if a human mates with a vampire...


hehe... the book sounds like a real horror story... although I'm a little bothered by the fans if they dont like the book after the first 100 pages then why keep reading it...
Hey guys, sorry to get off what you are currently talking about, I found an interesting statement that you may be interested in:

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That "love" between Bella, Edward, and Jacob isn't love. It's far more basic and potentially far more evil. Bella sees Edward and Jacob for what they basically are: Immortal, forever young boy toys. She's a horny teenage girl who meets a vampire (as defined by Meyer) and, once realizing she can become a vampire herself and can potentially have this glittering beautiful man for eternity, she jumped on it.

Somehow this pasty white girl from Forks managed to manipulate Edward Cullen and Jacob to do anything she wants by dangling the false hope of a fulfilling relationship (and sex) in front of them. And when robbed of her chance at immortality and eternal youth and eternal hot pasty glittery white boy sex, she self-destructs. It wasn't because she "loved" Edward. No, it was because without Edward, she would grow old and die. She literally "couldn't live (forever) without him." And to a teenager, is there any worse fate?

She's using Jacob to make Edward jealous, hoping in his jealousy and his lust and his desire that he does grant her the immortality she desires, even if it means people die.

But like most people don't see the evil in Ferris Beuller, the intended audience for Twilight can't see Bella for what she is. They see Edward, an outcast from the normal world, cursed with immortality and bloodlust, fall in love with a mortal girl who he doesn't want to suffer as he has. They see Bella caught in this hopeless relationship, see their mutual desire, that whole forbidden romance thing.. and eat it up. Throw in a "love triangle" and it's a hit.

Edward may honestly love and desire Bella, but to her, Edward is a means to an end. And while there are many vampiric fish in the sea, she wants this one even if she has to break his heart and the hearts of every man around her to do it.

...now that I think about it, maybe the fans do notice this and love it. Who knows? Food for thought. :3


Kind of explains that whole romance thing between everyone now, doesn't it?   :wink:


See, I'm telling you all...this is all prime B-movie material no matter if its in film or book form!  Watch the first film and tell me it doesn't fit into everything the Twi-tards don't want it to fit into...IOW films we all like to easily trash for fun.  Plot loopholes, awful characters, bad acting and just an all out suck fest to make fun of.   This scene just kind of captures the whole series...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUTWW8OzkU8


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: wickednick on July 10, 2010, 12:21:39 AM
Wow that was really bad. I found it really annoying how the camera kept changing position just to keep the scene moving, because the actors or so horrible. Could they have put just a little emotion in their acting?


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: Flick James on July 13, 2010, 04:58:20 PM
Yeah, the acting is really bad. I keep hearing that Kristen Steward is a good actress, but since I've only seen her in this I have my doubts.


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: Evollove on July 13, 2010, 08:30:32 PM
@ information geek: ha ha too true about love

and kristen stewart is a great actress: she is trying to act like a boring moron, right? well done


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: WildHoosier09 on July 14, 2010, 09:51:29 PM
If something terrible happens and I somehow get sucked into this Twilight garbage and like it, please don't hate me.  I've resisted it so far, despite several attempts to turn me, but I fear I'm wearing down.

I hope there's not some lame reason for loving Harry Potter.

Don't worry Paquita, I am married to a twilight fan (for better and for worse).  Twilight works for women because they can feel like they are "Bella" since she's simply a blank template and good things happen to Bella without her really trying.  There are some male equivalents though I can't think of anything right now (Off-hand James Bond comes to mind but he has more character development).  The interesting thing about twilight is despite the fact that off-handidly it has all of the hallmarks of a horror movie (werewolves, vampires, violent deaths, etc.) it is a romance.  This is one of the factors which play into the almost instantaneous hatred most men feel towards it.  The other factor is that there are no effective human male characters to identify with.  Bella's father is well meaning but at best a deattached minor character and all her male school friends are made to look like infantile, weakling, morons.  The saddest part is in the 2cd movie (yes, I have seen the first 2 movies, see first sentence for explanation as to why) her highschool human friend can't even sit through an action movie without vomiting. So the lesson is you have to be immortal in order to be able to watch an action movie?  Edward/Jacob set an unrealistic expectation on men which is another reason it is almost uniformly hated by men.  My wife actually said to me at the end of the second movie "why don't you look more like jacob?" uggghhhhh!!!!   :hatred:   :bluesad:  How about I'm not a freaking professional actor that's why.  I don't ever ask her why she doesn't look more like Angelina Jolie.


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: ulthar on July 15, 2010, 08:23:38 AM

My wife actually said to me at the end of the second movie "why don't you look more like jacob?" uggghhhhh!!!!   :hatred:   :bluesad:  How about I'm not a freaking professional actor that's why.  I don't ever ask her why she doesn't look more like Angelina Jolie.


And we can thank the sexist double standard brought to us by the Sexual Revolution for that kind of thing.  If you HAD compared her to Angelina Jolie, she would have complained to all her friends and they would commiserate with her with 'advice' like "why can't he just love you for YOU?...MEN!"  Women can gawk at male physicality all day long without the hue and cry of "objectification."

There was a time when a woman was just happy to HAVE a man...now the pendulum seems to have flipped.  Seems most guys with a girl on their arm are smiling in triumph rather than with love, and the women are the ones always looking for the next better thing.

There!   :teddyr:  I found TWIGLIGHT'S true meaning.  I think Meyer was writing a metaphor for the social mores as they pertain to sex roles and courtship/mating rituals.  The female in this story appears weak at first glance but actually holds ALL the power.  The strong (potentially abusive) males ultimately bend to her will.  The juxtaposition of weak/strong and strong/weak stands for the greater American cultural shifts that have occurred during Meyer's lifetime, especially during her formative years.

Brilliance!


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: Flick James on July 15, 2010, 09:39:41 AM
I'm honestly amazed this thread has gone on as long as it has. I fully expected it to have run it's course by now. Really, does Twilight really deserve this much attention on a site such as this? The bit from theoatmeal.com summed it up pretty well. Let's move on, shall we?


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: ulthar on July 15, 2010, 12:47:25 PM

I'm honestly amazed this thread has gone on as long as it has. I fully expected it to have run it's course by now. Really, does Twilight really deserve this much attention on a site such as this? The bit from theoatmeal.com summed it up pretty well. Let's move on, shall we?


Do you remember Calico Cooper and the Junkfood Horrorfest thread?

I suspect that this is getting a similar treatment (in an abstract way).  IOW, we tend to worry irritations to death rather than let them drop.

It's our way, and, hey, it can be kinda fun.   :lookingup:


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: Flick James on July 15, 2010, 02:08:34 PM

I'm honestly amazed this thread has gone on as long as it has. I fully expected it to have run it's course by now. Really, does Twilight really deserve this much attention on a site such as this? The bit from theoatmeal.com summed it up pretty well. Let's move on, shall we?


Do you remember Calico Cooper and the Junkfood Horrorfest thread?

I suspect that this is getting a similar treatment (in an abstract way).  IOW, we tend to worry irritations to death rather than let them drop.

It's our way, and, hey, it can be kinda fun.   :lookingup:

Alright. Fair enough. Carry on then.


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: BTM on July 15, 2010, 06:12:02 PM

Since we're on the subject, check out this awesome Twilight vs True Blood video from Itsjustsomerandom guy (if you're a fan of comic books, you should also check out his other stuff.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2ENznSexo8&playnext_from=TL&videos=IlU4BvoaYec&feature=sub


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: Skull on July 16, 2010, 01:39:03 PM
My wife actually said to me at the end of the second movie "why don't you look more like jacob?" uggghhhhh!!!!   :hatred:   :bluesad:  How about I'm not a freaking professional actor that's why.  I don't ever ask her why she doesn't look more like Angelina Jolie.

Oh... that's funny!!!





Title: THE POPULARITY OF TWILIGHT OVEREXPLAINED
Post by: Flick James on July 16, 2010, 02:39:36 PM
 :hatred: :hatred: :hatred:


 :cheers:


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: ulthar on July 16, 2010, 07:53:39 PM
We just have to figure out a way to cash in on the next wave of tv trend setting. (http://www.badmovies.org/forum/index.php/topic,130563.msg346592.html#msg346592)

TV Shows, Miniseries and Made-for-TV Movie ideas:

20 Miles from LA - Bella Meets The Ymir
Edward Cullen Scissorhands
Brokeback Afterlife - The Edward and Jacob Story
Are You Smarter Than a Vampire?
Buffy the Vampire Slayer - The Next Generation, 90210
Plan 9 From Bella's Pants
2001: A Vampire Odyssey (the HAL you never saw in Kubrick's version)
The Price Is Right For Bella
Life Swap
Extreme Makeovers - Sparkly Undead Edition
Sometimes They Come Back Again and Again and Again (like this thread, eh Flick?   :teddyr:   )
Days of Our Lives and Deaths
Eeeagah! (no name change needed)
Jesse Stone: Did Bella Do It?



Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: Skull on July 16, 2010, 10:05:38 PM
We just have to figure out a way to cash in on the next wave of tv trend setting. ([url]http://www.badmovies.org/forum/index.php/topic,130563.msg346592.html#msg346592[/url])

TV Shows, Miniseries and Made-for-TV Movie ideas:


Brokeback Afterlife - The Edward and Jacob Story  :thumbup:

Are You Smarter Than a Vampire?  :thumbup:  :thumbup:

Extreme Makeovers - Sparkly Undead Edition  :thumbup:



 :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle:

funny stuff!!!


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: Sersonius on July 17, 2010, 02:52:27 AM

Since we're on the subject, check out this awesome Twilight vs True Blood video from Itsjustsomerandom guy (if you're a fan of comic books, you should also check out his other stuff.)

Emmm, True Blood maybe only a mediocre TV series with vampires as main theme but putting it on the same level as Twilight is a bit over the top imho.


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: wickednick on July 19, 2010, 09:00:42 AM
Ya so I just watched Twilight, my roommate got it because his girlfriend is all about the movies, god was that torture.
Now at first I was trying to get into the movie and give it a chance, I figured " They can't just make awkward faces at each other the whole movie and keep rehashing the same dialog the whole movie, can they?" Well they do for the first hour of the movie its awkward glances and the same lame ass dialog, thats been going on for the past hour. Nothing really happens during this time, its mostly shots of Edward looking like he's trying to hide and erection and Bella pondering on this weird creepy guy wareing way to much lipstick.
Finally Bella figures it out and she confesses to Edward in the forrest that she knows he's a vampire, which also is maybe one of the most painful scenes to watch in this movie, it was like they were playing Jeopardy  with how stiff the acting was.
 " Alex may I have 'the Cold One for 500'?"
"What is super strong, super fast and hates the sun"
"What is a Vampire, Alex?"
Oh and another thing the camera work absolutely sucked in this movie. The camera moved around more than the plot did. I suspect it was to hide the horrible acting job, because in many scenes there is slow and unnecessary tracking shots, or sudden angle changes that keep us from actually seeing the actors talking.
So we have the second half of the movie coming up and someone finally dies "YA" but it doesn't really seem to matter much, because we quickly go right back Bella and Edward, who now instead of looking socially awkward at each other, now just smile stiffly at each other.But now that the Bella seems committed to being a necrophile she meets Edwards surrogate family and in what should have been a much more fascinating scene involving a human meeting a family of vampires for the first time, we wined right back in the freaking woods again, with Edward and Bella, jumping through the forrest like Tarzan and Jane. Most of this movie is spent in the damn woods, with the two most wooden actors of the whole movie.
Next we are treated to a baseball game played with the vampire family, which for some reason can only play during a thunderstorm, I don't really know why, I think its because they hit the ball so hard it sounds like thunder, but because they are out in the middle of freaking nowhere it shouldn't matter and if they hit the ball that hard how are the bats not being turned into toothpicks?
Ok at this point the bad guys show up. They previously killed a guy who is Bella's dads friend, but like I said that doesn't really matter to much, no one seems all that heart broken about it and the only point of it was to introduce the bad guys.So the bad guys show up and I was all hoping for vampire brawl at this point, but instead stiff words are said and one of the bad guys gets a thing for Bella and wants to hunt her down.
Edward decides that Bella needs to go back to Arizona (Sorry I forgot to mention that is where Bella is from) and sends his sister and some other guy who walks around like Edward Scissor hands with her to Arizona while Edward tries to lead the bad guys away. Now some how Bella and the Vampires get to Arizona from Washington in a incredible short amount of time. Edward is still trying to lead the bad guys away, but some how Bella has teleported to Arizona and once the bad guy figures the trick out also teleports to Arizona, I can only explain this with teleportation, because there is no way they drove there in a day. And heres another thing how did these sparkly Vampires go through the desert with out being spotted. They are so concerned with not being found out, but hide out in the sunniest damn place you can imagine.
So bad guy finds Bella and lures her to her old dance school, I really wish more time had been spent on this guy hunting the girl down and maybe getting to know a little more about him other than being the bad vampire, but you never get what you want in this movie. Bad Vampire starts to torture Bella but Edward shows up (you know because he can teleport too) and they fight, finally some freaking action. The fight scene is all wire work and nothing really special but some what entertaining.
Edward saves Bella kills the bad guy (actually he doesn't kill him, his sister does), blah, blah blah they go to the Prom and they kiss. Thank god its over.
After watching this movie I am left dumbfounded about its popularity. This movie sucked, if you want to watch a real vampire movie watch "Let the right one in" but avoid the Twilight saga like the plague. I gave two hours of my life to this movie and have spent another hour writing this post b***hing about, I could be in bed sleeping, but this movie sucked so bad I needed to vent my frustration. Hell I'm going to bed.


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: Skull on July 19, 2010, 09:38:35 AM
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After watching this movie I am left dumbfounded about its popularity. This movie sucked,

lol... Vampires and Sucking should go hand to hand... (lol)

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if you want to watch a real vampire movie watch "Let the right one in" but avoid the Twilight saga like the plague. I gave two hours of my life to this movie and have spent another hour writing this post b***hing about, I could be in bed sleeping, but this movie sucked so bad I needed to vent my frustration. Hell I'm going to bed.

Actually "Let the Right One In" was ok. I thought it was a little cleaver but it also seemed boring at times.

Although when I think of vampire children I cannot stop thinking of Near Dark and the poor vampire kid (I think he was 50 years old yet his body was trapped in a 11 to 12 year old boy, and he was getting really sick of the being stuck in that sexual limbo age)


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: Mr. DS on July 19, 2010, 11:29:08 AM
Congrats Wyckednick, you are part of the few and the proud of non-Twitarded who have taken on this movie.  It is plainly awful. 

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Next we are treated to a baseball game played with the vampire family, which for some reason can only play during a thunderstorm, I don't really know why, I think its because they hit the ball so hard it sounds like thunder, but because they are out in the middle of freaking nowhere it shouldn't matter and if they hit the ball that hard how are the bats not being turned into toothpicks?
My sentiments exactly.  This has to be the goofiest moment of the film.  Then the rebel vampires arrive and friggin' challenge them to a game!  Its like baseball is the side hobby of all undead. 

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Ok at this point the bad guys show up. They previously killed a guy who is Bella's dads friend, but like I said that doesn't really matter to much, no one seems all that heart broken about it and the only point of it was to introduce the bad guys.So the bad guys show up and I was all hoping for vampire brawl at this point, but instead stiff words are said and one of the bad guys gets a thing for Bella and wants to hunt her down.
Repeat 4x for all the stories that the bad guys show up with little time left in the story.  They are off'd as quickly as they are introduced thus posing no real threat or dilemna for the protaganists to overcome.  All we end up with with most of the story is...well I've already said it earlier.   A bunch of "I love you...I don't love you" dialog that makes a 3rd grade play look like Oscar winning material.


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: Flick James on July 19, 2010, 03:11:53 PM
I watched New Moon this weekend. My wife likes them somewhat, but she has a good sense of humor about it. I also watched the first one when it came to cable. It's essentially a Danielle Steele novel but set in high school and with vampires and werewolves fighting each other. Twilight doesn't have the trademark on non-descript females characters that women/girls can project themselves into and have perfect men fight over them. Pure romance pulp for the current girl culture. The author simply cashed in on the current vampire and lycan buzz created by Underworld and the like and combined it with the writing of Danielle Steel and the like, and voila! You got a franchise that drives guys crazy because not only is it insipid, but the girls are buying into it and asking their boyfriends and husbands why they aren't more like Edward/Jacob, mythological representations of the woman's "perfect man" as embodied in thousands of cheesy romance novels, on steroids.

As for the character of Bella. In part one she's a boring, annoying highschool chick that, if such characters like Edward existed, they wouldn't have the slightest interst in. In part two, she's the same, but also a manipulative c**t. It's all quite laughable and I'm beginning to see the point of whoever it was who posted how it's all just a big-budget b-movie that is sometimes fun to make fun of.


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: BoyScoutKevin on July 19, 2010, 04:33:28 PM
No, two movies.  They're splitting Breaking Dawn in half.   :lookingup:

You hope. As rumour has it, that Hollywood wants to extend the franchise, depending how well the fourth and fifth films do. Not with films based upon the novels, as there are no more novels to adapt, but with scripts written directly for the screen.


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: Jim H on July 19, 2010, 04:42:43 PM
No, two movies.  They're splitting Breaking Dawn in half.   :lookingup:

You hope. As rumour has it, that Hollywood wants to extend the franchise, depending how well the fourth and fifth films do. Not with films based upon the novels, as there are no more novels to adapt, but with scripts written directly for the screen.

There's also at least one side short novel, from the point of view of one of the recently turned vampires from that vampire army thing.  They need a word for that, movies that take place inbetween already released films in a series.  An inbetweenquel?


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: Skull on July 19, 2010, 04:47:29 PM

There's also at least one side short novel, from the point of view of one of the recently turned vampires from that vampire army thing.  They need a word for that, movies that take place inbetween already released films in a series.  An inbetweenquel?

First there is sequels...

Then we got Prequels...

The Chipmonks gave us Squeakquels...

Now Twilight will give us Inbetweenquel...

lol lol lol


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: InformationGeek on July 19, 2010, 07:24:13 PM
You know folks, I may have brought it up before, but it still bears repeating.  There is far better (When I say better I mean its sillier, goofier, amusing and very odd ball) romance vampire series out there called Karin/Chibi Vampire.  Yeah, it's manga that actually spawned a bunch of novels and anime to boot!  Oh sure, you hardly take it serious and the voice acting is just laughworthy (Not in a good way or even a bad way.  Just too bland) in the anime verison, but it is far more bareable and at least characters aren't of the cardboard variety.  Here's a review of the anime product in question:

http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/ir/jo/jar/24130-karin (http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/ir/jo/jar/24130-karin)

Just to make this clear: Avoid Twilight series and look into Karin/Chibi Vampire for a real romantic (As real as you can expect), action, and even comedy story.  Not the best, but what else is there that actually involves a good romantic vampire story?


Title: Re: The popularity of Twilight explained
Post by: ulthar on July 19, 2010, 09:13:21 PM

Not the best, but what else is there that actually involves a good romantic vampire story?


The original DRACULA with Bela?

Not 'romantic' in the sense I know you mean it, but hey, the 'tension' between The Count and Mina is really THE classic romance story.

I also suggest FRIGHT NIGHT has solid romance underpinnings beneath the vampire story.

ONCE BITTEN is about as goofy as you get with sexy vampires wanting 'romance.'   :teddyr:

And lastly, completely over the top, POLISH VAMPIRE IN BURBANK is about vampire, well, not ROMANCE, but, huh, well ...   :bouncegiggle: