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This is the last guy I could imagine making this film.    Here's the rather disturbing trailer in which Boll himself appears as a German officer standing outside a gas chamber

This has me immensely worried.

I actually kind of like Uwe but this is not a good idea.

 :buggedout: WHAT. THE. HELL.

Boll apparently showed real taste and sensitivity in his movie about Rwanda.  I'm willing to give him a chance on thise one.

You and me both...not so sure I want to see this. 

Posted by: Rev. Powell

No it isn't. We don't need to be reminded of what happened, and on it's own, a film of this nature (and appaent graphic nature) is going to stir up the old controversy of whether the Holocaust happened or not. Not a good idea.

Why couldn't he stay making video game movies?  A version of the invisible tank level from "Combat" needs to be made....

Is there any controversy over whether the Holocaust really happened, except in the minds of brainwashed Neo-Nazi  IDIOTS??????

I got to go and listen to Willem and Rosalie Schiff, a Jewish couple who somehow survived Auschwitz, last year.  They are in their 80's now.  The survivors are very, very few.  I am of the opinion that we can NEVER afford to forget the greatest crime in human history.  If this film will shock a few teenagers, and make them realize that this really happened, then I am all for it!

Yeah, I kind of agree with Indiana here.  I can understand someone wanting someone who can handle it sensitively, but it really only needs to shock and be authentic.  I also wonder if the trailer, with Boll standing outside looking disinterested, is supposed to be some kind of commentary.  Maybe too subtle for Boll?  I dunno.  Also, after seeing Rampage, I can't deny Boll does have some directorial ability.

I think I've said it before on here, but Holocaust deniers are some of the worst people in the world.  I remember reading a bit of Stormfront, and reading some of the stuff on there made me feel depressed for about a week.  Anything that will make them angry sounds good to me...

BTW, Boll's previous somewhat related film was about Darfur, not Rwanda.

That film ~ entitled Darfur ~ was shot in South Africa and I saw it at its' premiere in March this year: I was expecting to sit there in the cinema and LMAO at Uwe's latest disaster. Wrong. I cried through most of it and I even screamed out loud at one point where a Janjaweed terrorist holds a baby tenderly in his arms and then drops the baby. On his / her head!  :buggedout: :buggedout: I also remember getting seriously angry during this film: this happened on my continent and to Africans, so WTF was I doing about this genocide?

Next to Jans Rautenbach's Katrina, Darfur is the most emotionally devastating film that I have ever seen and if Uwe Boll can open our eyes to what went on in Darfur, I think he can do the same for the Holocaust.

Needless to say, I disagree with such thought.

In terms of legitimimacy, the Holocaust always seems to be an uphill battle.

Are you saying they actually do this about the Holocaust itself, or that they just do this about so many things (slavery, for example) young people themselves try to apply it to the Holocaust?  

I ask because I'm finding it hard to picture any public school or university not portraying the Holocaust as extremely evil.  I know mine portrayed it as possibly the worst atrocity in history, though I went to generally quite good schools, so...

I have heard stories from several college students at my workplace, and also from my cousin.

My cousin came home from college this summer, and said that she was being harassed because of her belief in The Holocaust.  And that, several students in her class
had conveniently piggybacked slavery to Gitmo, and that the Holocaust was either "an outright lie to garner sympathy for the racist nation of Zion",  OR that it was "payback" for the human rights violations in the Middle East. And that opened the door to Iraq and Afghanistan as well..

She also said her professor also argued that there "weren't enough Jews in Europe at the time for that many to be killed."  Also, he said  that Hitler counted those who defied him as "Jews themselves" and that this also makes the exact number of Jews who died questionable, thus making the Jewish claim of genocide also questionable.



In our day, history wasn't as polarized as it is today. Sure you had discussions and arguments, and political differences, but not like TODAY.  I feel that professors are deliberately fueling these debates based on some of their own views, w\o really caring what it's resulting in as long as they get their paychecks.

I happen to be a history major in college and I've never heard any professor or student try to deny the Holocuast. In fact my university has an entire course on the Holocuast itself called HST 280 Nazi Germany and the Holocuast. Which pretty much sums up how and why the Holocaust happened.

Now I will admit I have seen a lot of professor seem to have varying opinions on different portions in history, but I have never in my life seen one try to deny the Holocaust. If your cousin's professor is really that nuts and a history professor then he diserves to  be fired!

Well this was part of my thinking, maybe it was her professor only....but also, w\regard to the world view of Israel today,  it makes you wonder if her professor is doing this based on is own views on the Jewish people.   As far as one college doing it, we allknow that one is all it takes.

One of the students, according my cousin, said that the Holocaust is only taught "in return for the funding the Jews give the colleges, and the financial incentives that come from it."   There's definitely some wrong thinking going on somewhere.

That's really awful.  I hope your cousin's experiences are more the exception than the norm.  I'd say they *probably* are, but from what I see in the media and on the internet, it definitely appears Holocaust deniers are gaining ground.  It likely helps that there are fewer and fewer survivors every year - and the internet definitely helps them gather together, much like white supremacist groups (well, often the same thing).  There's a certain irony in that wider availability to other people and information sometimes leads to narrowing viewpoints.

And on the professors viewpoints..  Yeah, I'd say that is the case.  I've read in numerous places about how extreme the views have become on many campuses, and how little dissent is often tolerated - and almost universally, this is from a strict liberal and politically correct viewpoint.  And that can have some serious consequences - I think the behavior of Duke University in the circumstances around the lacrosse rape accusation is a case in point. 

Indeed. And the fact that fewer of the survivors are still around (and given their age) it's impossible for them to come forth and tell their collective stories, so this put the burden of proof on the few who can. It's as if Holocaust survivors have fallen thru the cracks of time, and are now forgotten, given the rapid political change in the post-WW2 European landscape.

 

Indeed, anything that might shatter the notions of percieved truth on one side,  or allows for the transfer of actual truthful information, can cause narrowing as one side gains ground and the other one grasps at straws to keep their crumbling notions intact. We've all been part of that thought process at one time or another.


Duke U was a hard issue in our house too. We had some good ones about it.

Race, education and money is the thing that will always stick in the minds of the naysayers,  and the Duke boys will always be seen as 'the privileged White Boys" who "got away with it" based on these factors.

Any evidence that legitimately saw these boys as innocent of the rape charges, will always be seen as tainted and altered in the minds of those for whom forensics and honest-to-goodness police work aren't enough.  It's done their damage to them regardless of their not guilty ruling.

Don't frget that the Saudis are channeling about a BILLION dollars a year to U.S. universities to fund "Departments of Middle Eastern Studies"!  And, having paid for the nice new buildings, the helpful Saudi government is always glad to recommend "scholars" to fill those departments . . . who invariably preach hatred for Israel and a very pro-Arabic, pro-Islamic view of history.

You can argue the merits of Islam as a religion all day long, but the Islamic nations are doing their best to rewrite history to minimize the Holocaust, or flat-out deny it.

I agree with you. I don't know if I touched on it earlier, but there has been some speculation that Arabic and Muslim students have gotten special consideration in teachings of the Holocaust. This is because too much sympathy might anger them over their own feelings.

I have no doubt that special interests are at play in the denial of historical events, esp. if the return gift comes in the form of monetary funding or other special incentives.