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He's gone into space, he's dressed up as a clown, he's had a gritty reboot, faced off with a redneck Sherrif and suffered through blaxplotation co-stars, he's been played by Woody Allen, so after 20 plus mvoies, which would you say stands as being the single worst movie in the James Bond Franchise?

Thats a tough one...plot wise I'd say Moonraker is the dumbest.  They were more than cashing in on the Star Wars craze of the time and its just goofy.  Though I do have to admit I will watch it when its on. 

I was very disappointed with Pierce Brosnan as James Bond, he seem to be on target in Remington Steele and a few Super Bowl Commericals... But he somehow missed the target as James Bond... although his films are far from the worst...

I like to believe The Living Daylights is the worst James Bond movie because it's loaded with PC and at times Timothy Dalton isnt doing anything, although it's been many, many years I've seen it so my opinion may change... I have this mix feeling because Licence to Kill (Timothy's second James Bond movie) is one of the better James Bond films and I think my opinion against him was based upon my disapointment that Pierce Brosnan wasnt playing James Bond (wow... that sounds very gay...)

Although I do recall not liking The Man with the Golden Gun many, many years ago but I did recently seen it and found it much better and I've actually enjoyed the movie.

But since you'd mention Woody Allen... I'll have to say:

The worst James Bond movie is... 'Casino Royale'

I've seen it a few years ago and thought it was a total mess and it's only worth remembering because the characters are name James Bond and it has Woody Allen in it.

Agreed.

Its James Bond... In space !!! :buggedout:
Die Another Day was pretty stupid, but at least he was on Earth !!!!

I just want to Add, although a little off topic, that Denise Richards was AWFUL in The World is Not Enough.

 :hatred:


Worst 3 for me are...
DAF
DAD
OHMSS

Quantum of Solace.  The series has has it's ups and downs over the years, but that was in a whole different league. 

You gotta be f**king kidding me?  :question: :lookingup:

A View To A Kill has always held this title for me, while OHMSS remains my favourite Bond film.

But AVTK had Walken and a kickass theme song! I loathe OHMSS that film and have never sat through the whole thing in one sitting. I've seen all the Bond films except non-cannon Casino Royale movies.

Actually... I'm not buying Daniel Craig as James Bond but I think it's the whole fast~fast~fast editing that's spoiling the fun~fun~fun for me...

Speaking of Casino Royale... I recall watching the newer one (i'm not sure if I would call it a remake) and 'I was thinking boy this gambling concept is so outdated'... the concept seemed outdated to me because the story used too many modern refernences.

I didn't mind the new Casino Royale too much, but I s see what you mean. However, I will put Quantum of Solace right up with with Moonraker and The Living Daylights as amongst the worst.

HOW IS THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS IN ANY WAY BAD, ARE YOU INSANE?  :hatred: :buggedout:

Have you seen the mess that is DAF, DAD and OHMSS?

No, I'm not insane. I'm perfectly normal and well-adjusted. My membership here should prove that.  :wink:

Incidentally, OHMSS is one of my favorites. We're talking Bond here. People are going to like or dislike the different movies for their own reasons, and sometimes it changes over time. I haven't seen The Living Daylights in a long time. If I watch it now, my opinion may be slightly different. I used to love The Spy Who Loved Me, but when I saw it recently I didn't like it as much.

You will agree with me that DAF and DAD are horrible won't you?

DAF... DAD... OHMSS... OPP (You know me)

Gee what's with the abbreviations...

First... I love Diamonds are Forever...

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how could anybody not like these "gay" assassins...

Second... I need to look up DAD... :(

Oh... Die Another Day... yea, I could see your point... like I'd said... Pierce Brosnan has been a disappointment... although I dont think it was that bad.

On Her Majesty's Secret Service works for me because James Bond was able to strike back in For Your Eyes Only...

never seen any bond film that isn't connery or moore! never seen any of the 'new' bonds...

saw For Your Eyes Only again the other day and I didn't really like it, thought it was a bit wishy washy...1 vote for that.

what's DAF by the way?

Diamonds Are Forever.

OCTOp***y is probably my least favorite.  I'm also not a big fan of A VIEW TO A KILL.  Overall, I think most of the Roger Moore movies are silly, although I do enjoy LIVE AND LET DIE and MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN (mostly because of Christopher Lee).  A lot of people don't like ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE because of George Lazenby.  I actually think that would have been one of the top 3 or 4 Bond films if Connery was in it.  Telly Savalas is a pretty good villain, and the ski and bobsled chases are very entertaining.

I'm slowly reading all the Bond books now (I bought a boxed set of all the paperbacks a while back).  I'm about half way through THUNDERBALL right now (which I read 2 or 3 times  many years ago).  Interesting that in the books Felix Leiter left the CIA and went to work for Pinkerton's after he got his arm chewed off in LIVE AND LET DIE, then rejoined the CIA in THUNDERBALL.   

Trekkie I'd probably chill the attitude out around here.  You gave me negative karma because I mentioned Moonraker?  :lookingup: If you're going to flame everyone for their opinion you probably won't last long here nor garnish any respect from board members.

Don't worry.  I gave you a shot of positive karma to counteract Trekkie's negative karma. 

Moonraker was the product of its era, if Star Wars hadn't come out I doubt it would've been done. The 1st half of the movie is ok, but it goes downhill quickly when it gets to the space stuff.
2 other films I don't like are from the Moore era, MWTGG and LALD, they are pretty boring in retrospect.
I use abbreviations because a lot of people do in on James Bond forums.

OHMSS had an ok plot that was certainly ahead of its time for talking about biological warfare, but dear god...the acting, the acting! Some of the lamest Bond lines are in that movie and I am definitely not keen with Lazenby at all. Also very bad idea to have the main song sung by a guy with throat cancer! It doesn't feel like Bond at all, instead it feels like one of those "imitation Bond" films of the era.


Diamonds Are Forever is bad because no matter how hard it tries not to be cheesy, it fails miserably. Connery has hairy "moobs", tacky set designs, a preposterous lunar rover chase, unnecessary cameos and a horrible attempt at correcting the car goof. The humor doesn't work well with Connery and it has some of the worst F/X for a Bond movie to date...I have proof! They superimposed nearly every damn explosion when all the previous films were done with much better models and pyrotechnics.

ah thanks....couldnt work it out, Im a bit thick :]

You are new here, so you may not be aware..we don't  usually insult or otherwise rag on each other for liking/not liking any given movie. It is the nature of this group to like (and accept others liehking) films that others do not.

Since it's all personal preference anyway, there's no need for insults...

Nothing is wrong with moonraker.

Also unless you have lived in the cave for the first 5 years after Star Wars (1977) you'll then wouldnt noticed that there is several to hundreds of films that found a way to use Star Wars to their advantage... From Star Trek the Motion Picture (which would never been made without the success of Star Wars), Tron, Superman, Halloween 2 and even buddy cop films like 48 hours...


Hmmmm... this isnt a James Bond forum and your abbraviations is going over my head.

I don't know how Star Wars affected Superman and Halloween 2...

Never saw Diamonds are Forever, so I can't comment

I agree that Die Another Day was bad.

Friends?

Trekkie -

What's the deal with dishing out negative karma? I don't know that I've ever given negative karma, even when I vehemently have disagreed with fellow members over far more serious topics. I don't think you're going to get along very well here. Most of us respect each other on a basic level despite our disagreements. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove. If you want to get in a karma contest, bring it on. I really don't care. If this site has no value to you, then fine, I'm sure you won't last, but if it does, you may want to lighten up.

I've never seen a non-Connery/Moore Bond movie all the way through, and the only bits of one was part of one of Pierce Brosnan's...not sure which one.

I was not overly impressed - it seemed too MTV style actioney for my taste with a totally lame, idiotic denoument.

So, I'd pick that one, even though I don't know which one it was.   :twirl:

Goldeneye and The Living Daylights might be the best non-Connery/Moore movies for you to watch.

You are assuming I WANT to watch a post-Moore Bond movie.   :bouncegiggle:

BOWFINGER was more my speed, I think.

I actually may be one of the few who enjoyed the Brosnan movies.  I have to say the Moore films are my favs though. 

How about dumb Bond moments in general?  I remember in one Connery came across a killer spider and slammed his shoe on it several times.  That scene always p!ssed my dad off while watching it.

lol... I guess you been living in a cave...

Superman... the opening credits for starters...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qHDWdGPomw

Halloween 2...

Hmmmmmm... Michael Myers: I'm your brother... (what movie did that come from?)

hint:

(http://closingguyinpittsburgh.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/luke-i-am-your-father.jpg)

I still don't see the connection.

The World Is Not Enough was pretty awful.. so was View To A Kill and Moonraker (I initially loved it as a kid, but now..).
My favorites are The Spy Who Loved Me, License To Kill, Dr. No, and On Her Majesty's Secret Service.

Ah see no need to bring me into this conversation. :tongueout:





Superman, yes, but that's really quite a leap.



My vote, out of the ones I've seen, is for Diamonds Are Forever. I love how a car can tilt on two wheels to evade police down an alley, and come out of the alley on the opposite set of wheels; now that's skill. The beautiful special effects used for blowing the helicopters out of the sky I believe came straight from an arcade game in the 70s called Ace of Aces; just superimpose an obviously fake fireball over the hit target. It's not a good one, or even close, but at least it moves pretty well and can be fun, but grating.


I liked Brosnan as Bond. I personally think he's right up there with Connery as the best Bond; certainly he has more charm than any other Bond. I did not care for Die Another Day though; great, if not a little fake looking at times, special effects, I'm just still waiting for them to add characters to the story.


I do enjoy Live and Let Die; I mean come on, the speed boat chase alone is worth the price of admission, not to mention the way cool theme song.


And what the hell is the comment about blaxploitation co-stars? My apologies if I'm missing some kind of reference in that.

I grew up with Roger Moore as my Bond, so I pretty much love all his movies.  Octop***y and Moonraker are two of my huge favorites (probably doesn't hurt that I was a gigantic Star Wars fan back then  :teddyr: ).  The Spy Who Loved Me and For Your Eyes Only are excellent IMO as well.  Though even I have to admit that A View To A Kill was pretty weak, it was just so silly and crammed full of pop culture, from the Duran Duran theme song to Grace Jones. 

I have to admit that although I generally like the Sean Connery movies, I'm not a huge fan;  though I am a huge fan of Connery in general.  Dr. No and From Russia with love are both good, and You Only Live Twice is definitely my favorite.  Goldfinger though - other than the awesome theme song I've never enjoyed that one.  And Thunderball...just too silly for me.

Lazenby's movie is a big favorite of mine.  I loved the atmosphere, thought George made for a refreshing change, and Diana Rigg was just awesomely hot  :teddyr:

Of the Dalton movies, I thought License to Kill was quite excellent, it really fit the mold of what I think a Bond film should be.  I didn't really care for The Living Daylights, I thought Maryam d'Abo was pretty terrible in the co-starring role.

I liked the first Brosnan movie, GoldenEye, it had a pretty interesting plot and overall I thought Brosnan made an okay Bond.  The next few were really ruined by Judi Dench as M;  I mean, this is James Bond, he's saved the whole world from destruction on quite a few occasions, and Dench just treats him in the most disrespectful manner imaginable.  And the action got to the point where they were more like superhero movies than semi-believable secret agent movies.

I liked all of them except one.

Quantum of Solace.

One word...

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGG!!!

It was dull and uninteresting. The plot made no sense, the villains had no character, and worst of all...

James Bond was emo! That is WRONG on 1,000 levels!

I mean who turns a quirky character who spouts one-liners emo?

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...Oh, right....

 :bluesad:

*Face palm*

Octop**sy, Jack? Come on, we're all adults here. You won't be banned for naming a James Bond movie.

Besides, aren't most the woman named after innuendos?

THIS is my problem with the latest Bond movies.  Bond, although apparently just starting, comes off as whiny at times with hardly a bit of charm and overconfidence that makes him likeable.  Craig has the look and the build to pass as a bad@ss but the script just won't let him move on.  I hope that the next one proves to be an improvement in this dept. 

 :lookingup:  :teddyr:

  I agree with the opinion that Quantam of Solace featured an emo Bond. As far as the quality of the Bond movies go, that one was the worst, and for that reason.

  However, I have very negative feelings towards The Living Daylights. They have nothing to do with the movie, although I did think Dalton's Bond was a little too...boring? I had a rotten experience when I went to see Living Daylights. I had been in Las Vegas for a week, my first trip, and had probably gotten all of 3 hours sleep for the entire week. The day I got back I took this very cute girl that I  liked out to see The Living Daylights. I guess the week of high living, the dark, warm theater and the "stoic" acting of TImothy Dalton combined to put me to sleep. When I woke up during the movie's credits, I looked around and the girl was gone. She'd taken a cab home. And since we worked together it was some time before I heard the end of it.

Cool... at least I'm not the only one that didnt like Living Daylights...



Agree here... This is why I have such a mix feeling with Dalton. One movie is trash the other is top dog.

@Trekkie313... you need to watch a few movies made before Star Wars and then a few movies after... you might see the connection. The Star Wars Box Office success is a movie making influence that actually altered what we see in the movies for almost 10 years or so... Not only space films but scripting and film editing was also influenced into something that we call “Summer Movies/Films”

True, Moonraker tried to cash-in with space from Star Wars success... but James Bond movies always has a space connection...

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You Only Live Twice...

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Diamonds Are Forever…

And since Derek Flint went into space it was a matter of timming for James Bond to go into space.

Just for the record, some words self edit on the forum.  For example...Octop***y...try it all you want Octop***y...Octop***y...or perhaps p***y Gallore...

lol... I'd remember hearing that people were shocked to hear P***y Gallore on the trailers... :)

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Moore is my favorite Bond. Though he stuck around a bit too long.

Agree here... I believe For Your Eyes Only was going to be Moore's last Bond film, although it was assumed that Moonraker was his last and they were looking for a new James Bond for 'For Your Eyes Only'

Should have went out on Octop***y.

I think this is why I find AVTAK a bit hard to watch at times.  Moore seems way to old to be fighting bad guys and romancing young women. 

I think I was partly to blame for that.  :lookingup:

Though I'll still put it off on the church lady running this establishment.  :tongueout:

p***ywillow  sorry...had to

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lol... I think the movie has gotten better (funny) with age since James Bond is like a silly/dirty old man that still kicking ass and taking names, even though there are some odd close ups with him on a moving background.

"A view to a kill"... I have mixed feelings about that one. It's very entertaining and has some very spectacular action scenes, but Moore is awful, I couldn't buy him for a second. And his sex scene with Grace Jones is the stuff nightmares are made of.

The Bond films I really hate are, in chronological order:

"Diamonds are forever": It's just a boring, lifeless affair. Connery is in it just for the check and it shows. Then, it must be the most tasteless and visually un-appealing Bond film from that era. Vegas, really? A couple of gay assassins? Acrobatic hench-women in bikinis named Bambi and Pluto? It also has the most annoying love interest for bond, Jill St. John, and scenes as silly as Bond running away from the bad guys in a Moon buggy. By the time we get to the climax, which is also incredibly anti-climatic, I just wanted out.

"Moonraker": So what if "Star wars" had been a great hit? Sometimes the producers of the Bond series get too greedy and they forget they own a series about a spy who faces mega-villains, instead of a "Whatever-Movie" series. This film is just embarrasing to watch. And don't get me started with what they did to Jaws.

"License to kill": I know many people list this one as his favourite Dalton-Bond movie, but I can't see why. So alright, Dalton got away with it and he was allowed to play Bond as some smug bastard, but that's it. This is nothing but a generic 80s action film with the Bond name stamped on it. I still like the final action scenes, though. Pretty brutal for a Bond film.

"Goldeneye": Why so serious? Really. This film combines the worst of the Dalton and the Moore era. A seriousness that doesn't belong here combined with campy humour here and there. Add a couple of hot women, shake, stir and serve.

"Day another day": Promising prologue, but then it goes to Hell and never comes back.

"Quantum of solace": There's not a single element in this film that works. The aesthetics are the kind you get in comercials and the action scenes remind me how eager the Bond producers are to throw away everything just for a quick buck. So what if the Bourne films earned a truckload of money? I want to watch Bourne, I'll watch Bourne. Did we need a reboot as great as "Casino Royale" to end up with s**t like this? Don't you guys ever learn?

I think it actually traces back to the infamous MetropolisForever.  The "church lady" had to edit one of his posts and mentioned that he had to add a new word to the profanity filter because of that post.  After that all my posts about FASTER p***yCAT! KILL! KILL! suddenly looked funny.

Not that I doubt that you're capable of getting words added to the profanity filter.  You're probably responsible for half of them.   :wink:

I loved the new Casino Royale. I was really against Craig as bond until I saw it though. The first time I watched Quantum of Solace I turned it off after 30 mins because the opening chase scene was terrible. I watched it again and actually liked it more. The fast edit thing is still bad though.

Diamonds are forever is awesome because the assassasin on the right is Crispin Glovers father.

Tomorrow Never dies is the worst for me.

"Tomorrow never dies" has a laugable villain and feels fairly routinary. Still, I prefer it over "Goldeneye", at least it does look and feel like a real James Bond film. "Goldeneye", to me, didn't.

And there's Michelle Yeoh, let's not forget that.

"Diamonds are forever": It's just a boring, lifeless affair. Connery is in it just for the check and it shows. Then, it must be the most tasteless and visually un-appealing Bond film from that era. Vegas, really? A couple of gay assassins? Acrobatic hench-women in bikinis named Bambi and Pluto? It also has the most annoying love interest for bond, Jill St. John, and scenes as silly as Bond running away from the bad guys in a Moon buggy. By the time we get to the climax, which is also incredibly anti-climatic, I just wanted out.








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"Diamonds Are Forever"
The acrobatic henchwomen, close, but their names were Bambi and Thumper, not Bambi and Pluto. And, as they apparently go uncredited in the film credits, they were played by Loa Larson and Trina Parks, respectively.