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Title: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Flick James on November 23, 2010, 09:48:49 AM
Regardless of what anyone may think of the Palins, I am making my call now. Sarah Palin is our next president. You can laugh, you can call me a kook, you can say whatever you want, but mark my words, and mark them well, Sarah Palin will be taking the presidential oath in January 2013 (assuming the world didn't end the previous month).

All the pieces are being put into place. She is playing the popularity game very, very well. She must have a brilliant publicist, because I don't believe for a moment that the brilliance is all hers. And everyone loves her. So much so that her talentless and utterly boring daughter was somehow able to garner the votes to move her to the finals of Dancing With the Stars (doesn't the name of that show imply that you have to be a star or at least a former star to be a contestant?). Sarah Palin also has managed to introduce a new word to the English language (refudiate) much quicker than it takes most. Her ghost-written book sold a gazillion copies and I swear you can buy it a Circle K (I'm joking about that last bit). Her new reality show is enjoying very strong ratings.

The USA has come full circle and seriously become the reality show nation. We make our decisions in life based on popular votes. You think I'm exaggerating? There is a news story running now about someone who is going to make the decision whether or not to abort their child based on Internet votes. Now, this turned out to be a hoax, but the writing on the wall is pretty obvious. Sarah Palin, her publicist, or a combination of the two, have read the writing. They know that the American people, if they had their way, would have the race for presidency be a reality show with panel judges and we text our votes in until the everyone is eliminated but our next president. You may think my Dancing With the Stars point is silly, but I'm telling you, the fact that Bristol Palin, who can't dance, has no personality, and has no identity other than being the daughter of Sarah Palin, was able to advance to the finals of a show that has surpassed even American Idol in popularity, well, do I even need to explain it further?

Anyway, I'm making my call. Anyone care to wager?


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: lester1/2jr on November 23, 2010, 12:40:54 PM
 I think she has sort of pioneered a place for herself as a kind of right wing Oprah. While I am certainly sympathetic to many of her positions and think she did a great job in Alaska, I will never forget the Katie Couric interviews! I think alot of other people won't either.

President would also involve her taking a SIGNIFICANT pay cut.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: 3mnkids on November 23, 2010, 01:07:18 PM
If the country elects this nit wit then the country deserves everything she will do to it.   It wont matter to me because I'll be living in Canada.   :thumbup:


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Flick James on November 23, 2010, 01:54:24 PM
I think she has sort of pioneered a place for herself as a kind of right wing Oprah. While I am certainly sympathetic to many of her positions and think she did a great job in Alaska, I will never forget the Katie Couric interviews! I think alot of other people won't either.

President would also involve her taking a SIGNIFICANT pay cut.

Well, yes, she would, but we all know the long-term earning potential that being the president carries with it. Besides, I have a feeling she wants to be president, and wants it bad.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: claws on November 23, 2010, 02:04:30 PM
Palin would be the final nail in America's coffin. I'll pray for you all (save and sound from Germany).


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: akiratubo on November 23, 2010, 02:06:04 PM
Everyone likes her?  Since when?  I never hear a good word about her except on TV.  No one I know or have talked to when out and about, Republican, Democrat, male, female, religious, atheist, or whatever, supports Sarah Palin.

(Granted, that's only around 100+ people but if she's so popular at least one of those would like her, right?)


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Flick James on November 23, 2010, 02:14:43 PM
Everyone likes her?  Since when?  I never hear a good word about her except on TV.  No one I know or have talked to when out and about, Republican, Democrat, male, female, religious, atheist, or whatever, supports Sarah Palin.

(Granted, that's only around 100+ people but if she's so popular at least one of those would like her, right?)

Well, akiratubo, I hope you realize I was being sarcastic. I don't really think everyone loves her. What I mean is that she has some serious numbers of supporters, and those people vote. The Dancing With the Stars premise was mainly about her potential to mobilize people. Certainly, there are plenty who hate her. In fact, the public is very polarized on Sarah Palin. I'm one of the few who are indifferent to her. The people who hate her will never learn that their hatred is what fuels her popularity.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: indianasmith on November 23, 2010, 02:15:47 PM
Au contraire!  I like her a great deal and have said so in this forum.  If she runs, I'm going to get a skintight TShirt with her picture on it, write a song about how I have a crush on her, and do a sexy dance to it and become an internet sensation!!!!!

(and maybe get a Cabinet post out of the deal!) :teddyr:

Seriously, I see so many lefties who just absolutely foam at the mouth when you mention her name, I can't HELP but like her!


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: lester1/2jr on November 23, 2010, 03:15:30 PM
It would amost be worth it to have Levi Johnston in and around the White House causing trouble.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: akiratubo on November 23, 2010, 03:18:16 PM
How?  HOW can you like her?  She is a complete failure as a leader and uses her family as props.  She's nothing but a hollow, soulless, self-promoter blatantly in it for the money.  She's disgusting, the embodiment of everything wrong with American politics, and I wish she'd go away.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Rev. Powell on November 23, 2010, 03:40:47 PM

Anyway, I'm making my call. Anyone care to wager?

Sure, I'll give you a karma point if Sarah Palin is our next president, you give me one if anyone else is.

About this time 4 years ago I was pretty sure Hillary Clinton was going to be the next president.  Things will change a lot in the next 2 years.  Who knows what other politician's daughter may get her own reality show?  Maybe Kim Kardashian's mom will decide to run for the Dems.  Who can say?   


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Doggett on November 23, 2010, 03:59:57 PM
What happend to the world ?   :lookingup:

 :question:



Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: the ghoul on November 24, 2010, 02:20:59 AM
It could happen, though I wouldn't bet on it.  She's kind of the 2010 version of Dan Quayle. She will always find a way to sound stupid.  The Democrats are probably hoping she does get the Republican nomination.  It's easy to run against that kind of moronic image.  Here in Nevada we had a similar candidate named Sharron Angle.  The only reason I even bothered voting in the past election was to vote against her.

Realistically though, if Palin does take the oval office, it most likely won't be any better or worse than any of the other presidents we have had in my lifetime.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Flick James on November 24, 2010, 09:34:14 AM
Au contraire!  I like her a great deal and have said so in this forum.  If she runs, I'm going to get a skintight TShirt with her picture on it, write a song about how I have a crush on her, and do a sexy dance to it and become an internet sensation!!!!!

(and maybe get a Cabinet post out of the deal!) :teddyr:

Seriously, I see so many lefties who just absolutely foam at the mouth when you mention her name, I can't HELP but like her!

To me she's appealing until she opens her mouth. Women and minorities by and large can't stand her. Her demographic are white males who want to bone her. That's cool. I'm not judging. JFK had sex appeal which helped him become president. On one hand it's sad the criteria that make one president, on the other hand I think the entire political system is a complete joke, so this would just be another punchline to me.

And now for the next punchline:

Sarah Palin is trying to become a contestant on the next Dancing With the Stars.

If she does, then it's lights out. There may as well not even be any other contestants.

 :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Flick James on November 24, 2010, 09:45:22 AM
Allow me to correct myself on my last post. I was very tired last night when the news story ran. It's even better. Sarah Palin is not trying to be a contestant. She is trying to get Christine O'Donnell on as a contestant on the next season.

And the comedy just keeps comin'.

 :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: lester1/2jr on November 24, 2010, 11:31:00 AM
I don't think her political acumen is her appeal. As with modern art it's "what's not there". Her message is rough hewn but in general it's mroe in touch with what is going on than most politicains, namely less government, decentralization, more local control etc.

My only real problem with her is her foreign policy which is the opposite, very pro empire, ideological and so forth (and expensive)


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Flick James on November 24, 2010, 01:56:10 PM
Well, I was being somewhat parodic, and remarking on the phenomenon, not so much the politics of it, but I understand people are going to take it to a political place. I'm just trying to make fun of it.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on November 24, 2010, 02:11:00 PM
If the country elects this nit wit then the country deserves everything she will do to it.   It wont matter to me because I'll be living in Canada.   :thumbup:

As a somewhat right-leaner myself, it may suprise you but I myself am not very happy about Palin.  First off, I don't like her hunting wolves, I have a deep love for those georgeous creatures, and a deep hatred for those who hunt them.

Second, a person who dosen't know that there are 2 Koreas, (and that Africa is a continent) shows some measure of lack of intelligence.  Her constant bright and bubbly attitude comes off as someone who is ADHD ready and user-friendly to the same.

I will however, laud her as a strong, independent woman not afraid of guns (or defending America's 2nd Amendment rights) or as woman who is rough and ready in the outdoors. She's equally happy with a rod and reel, a gun, or in the kitchen.  

She also took everything the media threw at her and hammered right back at them, including her SNL appearance and Family Guys utterly cheap and depsicable cheap shot at her Downs-Syndrome riddled child.  

Aside from politics, she's no pushover, and I think her strong declaration of independence scares a lot of lefties and people in general who are turned off by strong women.

You either love her, or hate her.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on November 24, 2010, 02:40:50 PM
You may think my Dancing With the Stars point is silly, but I'm telling you, the fact that Bristol Palin, who can't dance, has no personality, and has no identity other than being the daughter of Sarah Palin, was able to advance to the finals of a show that has surpassed even American Idol in popularity, well, do I even need to explain it further?

No, I think you're onto something here...look at The View.

We get treated to an hour of condescension, misquotes, and out-of-context takes by a bunch of old, no -talent hippie b*tches who bait their questions and treat Elizabeth Hasselbeck as their fair-haired stepchild whenever she disagress with them, or tries to make a general point (not that she's any brighter, mind you.)  Oh and to say nothing of the paranoid lunacy of Rosie O' Donnell.

And much like Dancing With The Stars, the losers of The View got their show from their association with their media peer, Barbara Walters. It's the same at almost every level of society. From the spoiled brat who gets the manager position from his daddy, to the politicians who avoid paying their taxes..its all about who you know and who has your back.  When will that ever be any different?



Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: vanlutz on November 24, 2010, 04:36:59 PM
If Obama bankrupted the US, went on a shooting spree, and declared it was okay for African Americans to own white people, he would still beat Sarah Palin in 2012.

She's a reality star with no substance. BTW: I like her, she's amusing in a train wreck kind of way. I would have sex with her. She wouldn't come near me with a ten foot pole though.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Flick James on November 24, 2010, 04:38:28 PM
Umaril, your words are sagely. You make some very valid points in both of your posts.

My wife can't stand Sarah Palin. I myself am indifferent to her, which seems to be at odds with the majority of the populace who either love or hate her. People who have polarized a nation as she hold a great deal of power. Further, she knows it. So hate away, silly Americans, she's running all the way to the bank or even the White House.

As indifferent as I am, I simply marvel at how much clout she has achieved. Can't take that away from her.

What I do find amazing is that I have yet to speak to a woman who likes her. Seriously. And I work in an environment that is very predominantly conservative Republican. Men like Sarah Palin. Which is what fascinates me the most. You brought up a point that people who hate her are turned off by strong women. If that's the case, why is she hated by so many women? Is it because she is loved by so many men? Is it fuel for the stereotype that women are competitive over men?

I'm serious. I'm not fascinated by Sarah Palin, I'm fascinated by the phenomenon.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Mofo Rising on November 24, 2010, 04:59:35 PM
At times like these, it is important to remember that Sarah Palin is, above all else, a quitter. When the going gets tough, and Palin is called to account for her decisions as a political leader, you can count on her to buckle-down, take her ball, and go home before anything else bad can happen to her.

Luckily, when you're President of the United States you can rest assured that no will ever think to criticize your decisions ever again.

I think Palin appeals to a very particular segment of the population, and they don't have a lot of crossover appeal. Palin's nomination as VP in the McCain campaign was a bit of bald-faced hackery that effectively doomed his campaign.

My prediction for Palin in 2012:
She will run for the Republican nomination, but fail to a more moderate (but still rabidly anti-Obama) and fresh-faced young Senator from one of the states where no important decisions are ever really made (like Alaska). Failing to gain the nomination, Palin will regroup and form her own political party, running again for President. (I like to think she will resurrect the Know-Nothing Party.) Banking on her peculiar appeal, Palin will run for President and gain the support of a substantial chunk of the Republican party.

However, as with Ross Perot and Ralph Nader before her, her legitimacy as a third-party candidate will only truly serve to undermine any majority the candidate for the parent-party could hope for. Barack Obama, despite widespread Republican anger and widespread disillusionment from his previous supporters, will regain the White House.

"All of this has happened before, and it will all happen again."

That's just my guess. If I'm wrong I'll watch "Slapstick (of Another Kind)" again. (No, I won't.)


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Newt on November 24, 2010, 05:11:27 PM
What I do find amazing is that I have yet to speak to a woman who likes her. Seriously. And I work in an environment that is very predominantly conservative Republican. Men like Sarah Palin. Which is what fascinates me the most. You brought up a point that people who hate her are turned off by strong women. If that's the case, why is she hated by so many women? Is it because she is loved by so many men? Is it fuel for the stereotype that women are competitive over men?

I'm serious. I'm not fascinated by Sarah Palin, I'm fascinated by the phenomenon.

I am female.  I don't consider Sarah Palin a good example of a strong woman.  I dislike her because she plays to a stereotype that does real strong women a disservice: she combines bold assertiveness with an air of bimbohood - which may be effective (it is: many women use it), but she does not have the smarts to follow through after that 'toe in the door'.  The combination appeals to men because she seems spunky while harmless/controllable.  They can allow her to run with it - put on her show - and laugh at her while she does because any power she has comes from their allowing it.  She's like a sassy stripper or a little kid: Isn't she cute?  Hahaha.  She makes us look bad (manipulative and empty-headed and good for one thing only   :lookingup: ) and easy to dismiss.   If she wasn't so visually appealing, she'd have been labelled a twit and a shrew long ago and we'd be done with her.  Yish.

Elvira...now there is a strong woman who plays that game far better than Sarah Palin!

(I have friends in Alaska who adore her; they are female and fairly strong women themselves.  They say she has been good for Alaska and that is what they like).

Mofo Rising: I think you are onto something: the "Palin phenomenon" presents an opportunity and will be taken advantage of/used to influence the outcome of the next election.  


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Doggett on November 24, 2010, 05:19:01 PM
Elvira...now there is a strong woman who plays that game far better than Sarah Palin!

 :teddyr:  :thumbup:

'Nuff said.

I'm back to looking at cosplay girls now....


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Newt on November 24, 2010, 05:24:50 PM
She's a reality star with no substance. BTW: I like her, she's amusing in a train wreck kind of way. I would have sex with her. She wouldn't come near me with a ten foot pole though.

 :thumbup:


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Flick James on November 24, 2010, 05:33:56 PM
What I do find amazing is that I have yet to speak to a woman who likes her. Seriously. And I work in an environment that is very predominantly conservative Republican. Men like Sarah Palin. Which is what fascinates me the most. You brought up a point that people who hate her are turned off by strong women. If that's the case, why is she hated by so many women? Is it because she is loved by so many men? Is it fuel for the stereotype that women are competitive over men?

I'm serious. I'm not fascinated by Sarah Palin, I'm fascinated by the phenomenon.

I am female.  I don't consider Sarah Palin a good example of a strong woman.  I dislike her because she plays to a stereotype that does real strong women a disservice: she combines bold assertiveness with an air of bimbohood - which may be effective (it is: many women use it), but she does not have the smarts to follow through after that 'toe in the door'.  The combination appeals to men because she seems spunky while harmless/controllable.  They can allow her to run with it - put on her show - and laugh at her while she does because any power she has comes from their allowing it.  She's like a sassy stripper or a little kid: Isn't she cute?  Hahaha.  She makes us look bad (manipulative and empty-headed and good for one thing only   :lookingup: ) and easy to dismiss.   If she wasn't so visually appealing, she'd have been labelled a twit and a shrew long ago and we'd be done with her.  Yish.

Elvira...now there is a strong woman who plays that game far better than Sarah Palin!

(I have friends in Alaska who adore her; they are female and fairly strong women themselves.  They say she has been good for Alaska and that is what they like).

Mofo Rising: I think you are onto something: the "Palin phenomenon" presents an opportunity and will be taken advantage of/used to influence the outcome of the next election.  

Thanks for that Newt. That was more the input I was interested in, not political posturing (although I do a fair bit of it myself). You bring up some factors that seem to carry some weight.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Allhallowsday on November 24, 2010, 11:11:38 PM
Regardless of what anyone may think of the Palins, I am making my call now. Sarah Palin is our next president. You can laugh, you can call me a kook, you can say whatever you want, but mark my words, and mark them well, Sarah Palin will be taking the presidential oath in January 2013 (assuming the world didn't end the previous month).

All the pieces are being put into place. She is playing the popularity game very, very well. She must have a brilliant publicist, because I don't believe for a moment that the brilliance is all hers. And everyone loves her. So much so that her talentless and utterly boring daughter was somehow able to garner the votes to move her to the finals of Dancing With the Stars (doesn't the name of that show imply that you have to be a star or at least a former star to be a contestant?). Sarah Palin also has managed to introduce a new word to the English language (refudiate) much quicker than it takes most. Her ghost-written book sold a gazillion copies and I swear you can buy it a Circle K (I'm joking about that last bit). Her new reality show is enjoying very strong ratings.
The USA has come full circle and seriously become the reality show nation. We make our decisions in life based on popular votes. You think I'm exaggerating? There is a news story running now about someone who is going to make the decision whether or not to abort their child based on Internet votes. Now, this turned out to be a hoax, but the writing on the wall is pretty obvious. Sarah Palin, her publicist, or a combination of the two, have read the writing. They know that the American people, if they had their way, would have the race for presidency be a reality show with panel judges and we text our votes in until the everyone is eliminated but our next president. You may think my Dancing With the Stars point is silly, but I'm telling you, the fact that Bristol Palin, who can't dance, has no personality, and has no identity other than being the daughter of Sarah Palin, was able to advance to the finals of a show that has surpassed even American Idol in popularity, well, do I even need to explain it further?
Anyway, I'm making my call. Anyone care to wager?
Yes, SARAH PALIN may amuse the masses, but she'll never be president.  The reason BRISTOL PALIN road the show to the very end was because of the cynical and the contrived (y'know, right next to the naked and the dead...  :wink:)  

Au contraire!  I like her a great deal and have said so in this forum.  If she runs, I'm going to get a skintight TShirt with her picture on it, write a song about how I have a crush on her, and do a sexy dance to it and become an internet sensation!!!!!
(and maybe get a Cabinet post out of the deal!) :teddyr:  

Seriously, I see so many lefties who just absolutely foam at the mouth when you mention her name, I can't HELP but like her!
You need therapy.  


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Trevor on November 25, 2010, 10:21:14 AM
and that Africa is a continent

 :buggedout: :buggedout: :buggedout: I seriously didn't know that either.  :wink: :wink:


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: lester1/2jr on November 25, 2010, 11:52:29 AM
Quote
Interviewer: How would you handle a situation like the one that just developed in North Korea?

Palin: Well, North Korea, this is stemming from a greater problem, when we're all sitting around asking, 'Oh no, what are we going to do,' and we're not having a lot of faith that the White House is going to come out with a strong enough policy to sanction what it is that North Korea is going to do. So this speaks to a bigger picture that certainly scares me in terms of our national security policy. But obviously, we've got to stand with our North Korean allies – we're bound to by treaty....

That's right, we're bound by treaty  :cheers:


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: the ghoul on November 25, 2010, 12:25:15 PM
Quote
Interviewer: How would you handle a situation like the one that just developed in North Korea?

Palin: Well, North Korea, this is stemming from a greater problem, when we're all sitting around asking, 'Oh no, what are we going to do,' and we're not having a lot of faith that the White House is going to come out with a strong enough policy to sanction what it is that North Korea is going to do. So this speaks to a bigger picture that certainly scares me in terms of our national security policy. But obviously, we've got to stand with our North Korean allies – we're bound to by treaty....

That's right, we're bound by treaty  :cheers:

Wow. :buggedout:  Other than the funny gaffe at the end, that statement is just utterly and completely meaningless rhetoric with no substance.  She could have gotten her point across much more succinctly by just simply saying "I am an idiot."
:bouncegiggle:  


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: El Misfit on November 25, 2010, 12:37:57 PM

we've got to stand with our North Korean allies


Wait, if we got North Korean allies, then how come North Korea is still a dictatorship, isn't that the opposite of what we want? :question:
anyway, my psychiatrist calls her a class 2 nitwit! :buggedout:

despite what many people say about Obama (He's the reason why the oil spill happened!. Pbbt, the majority of the accident goes to both BP and the Bush Admin.), he is still trying! so what if he's a DEMOCRAT! peole who hate him- is it because of his party? it doesn't make since.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on November 25, 2010, 01:27:06 PM
Umaril, your words are sagely. You make some very valid points in both of your posts.

Thank you, dear friend. Nice to see some people here appreciate balanced thought.


As indifferent as I am, I simply marvel at how much clout she has achieved. Can't take that away from her.
 

Indeed. While some of it is PR-generated, yet more of it is earned by her and her alone.

What I do find amazing is that I have yet to speak to a woman who likes her. Seriously. And I work in an environment that is very predominantly conservative Republican. Men like Sarah Palin. Which is what fascinates me the most. You brought up a point that people who hate her are turned off by strong women. If that's the case, why is she hated by so many women? Is it because she is loved by so many men? Is it fuel for the stereotype that women are competitive over men?

This is a good question with many answers. Where do I begin? Bear with me for a few paragraphs.

Why do men like her so much?

For one, Palin is an ally of men and their traditional values, such as guns, hunting, and 4x4 trucks and 2 week long trips to the mountains.  And she's still pretty good looking to boot!

She is just as home with a 00 buck Remington 870 12 gauge, as she is being in the kitchen cooking for friends and family, and with little or no transitional difficulty. She's
an all-round woman who shatters the traditional female mold in a way previous women couldn't.

Why do women hate her?

She can relate to men on issues that your typical everyday woman can't (as I stated above)  This may threaten some women as they feel their power over traditional domestic and political issues is slipping.  The voice of Hollywood and that of Clinton and Pelosi are no longer the only ones on issues such as gun rights and abortion (to name a few.)

Lastly, (and a big one here) many women may see Palin as a traitor for her defense of these things, and not the traditional female values and roles such women play. They feel let down that she's equally at home on both sides of the battle of the sexes, and not just for women.

Just a few thoughts.

 






Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: InformationGeek on November 25, 2010, 04:12:27 PM
If the country elects this nit wit then the country deserves everything she will do to it.   It wont matter to me because I'll be living in Canada.   :thumbup:

If she does get elected, be sure to say hi to some of my relatives, because I'm sure they'll be close behind you as they try to leave as well.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Mofo Rising on November 26, 2010, 01:20:48 AM
Umaril, your words are sagely. You make some very valid points in both of your posts.

Thank you, dear friend. Nice to see some people here appreciate balanced thought.


As indifferent as I am, I simply marvel at how much clout she has achieved. Can't take that away from her.
 

Indeed. While some of it is PR-generated, yet more of it is earned by her and her alone.

What I do find amazing is that I have yet to speak to a woman who likes her. Seriously. And I work in an environment that is very predominantly conservative Republican. Men like Sarah Palin. Which is what fascinates me the most. You brought up a point that people who hate her are turned off by strong women. If that's the case, why is she hated by so many women? Is it because she is loved by so many men? Is it fuel for the stereotype that women are competitive over men?

This is a good question with many answers. Where do I begin? Bear with me for a few paragraphs.

Why do men like her so much?

For one, Palin is an ally of men and their traditional values, such as guns, hunting, and 4x4 trucks and 2 week long trips to the mountains.  And she's still pretty good looking to boot!

She is just as home with a 00 buck Remington 870 12 gauge, as she is being in the kitchen cooking for friends and family, and with little or no transitional difficulty. She's
an all-round woman who shatters the traditional female mold in a way previous women couldn't.

Why do women hate her?

She can relate to men on issues that your typical everyday woman can't (as I stated above)  This may threaten some women as they feel their power over traditional domestic and political issues is slipping.  The voice of Hollywood and that of Clinton and Pelosi are no longer the only ones on issues such as gun rights and abortion (to name a few.)

Lastly, (and a big one here) many women may see Palin as a traitor for her defense of these things, and not the traditional female values and roles such women play. They feel let down that she's equally at home on both sides of the battle of the sexes, and not just for women.

Just a few thoughts.

 






Not a big fan of women, are you?


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Jim H on November 26, 2010, 03:29:57 AM
As of now, she's still EXTREMELY divisive and moderates despise her.  I can't see her changing this.  So, unless the republicans want to make absolutely sure they can't take the Whitehouse, there's no way she'll even get the nomination.  Maybe the next election after that she could try to turn it around, but nothing she is doing now is going to change the swing voter's opinion of her soon - and they hate her.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Newt on November 26, 2010, 06:33:21 AM
Perhaps Tamriel is overrun with Phyllis Schlafly clones.

Umaril: you seem quite impressed with Sarah P's big gun.  The 'woman with a phallus' image clearly is significant to the foundation of your opinion of her.  LOTS of women use guns Umaril.  It is not such a big deal.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: BTM on November 26, 2010, 11:09:07 AM
our national security policy. But obviously, we've got to stand with our North Korean allies – we're bound to by treaty....

That's right, we're bound by treaty  :cheers:

Uh, okay, could she have just meant to have said, "Southern"?  

Just find it odd that when certain politicians (read: Republicans) misspeak, the media loves to endlessly replay them over and over again.  But when Democrats do it, they'll get scant mention.  Obama saying there's 57 states in the United States, that people with asthma need "breathalysers", saying Hugo Chavez rose to power because of Bush's diplomatic failures with the Latin American communities (he rose to power during CLINTON'S presidency, not Bush), Biden saying "Jobs" is a THREE letter word, Hillary telling a joke about "Ghandi" running a convenience store, I could go on and on.

Not saying Palin hasn't said some off kilter things, but I just find it interesting that, once again, the coverage of such is slanted.

In fact, the media has been pretty much against her from day ONE.  When she was first picked, the papers reported that she was, "...a mayor from a small town in Alaska", not bothering to mention until later she was also the governor.  Just about every goofy thing you can think of, the media decided to criticize and nitpick.  (OMG!  She didn't ABORT her Down Syndrome child?  Isn't that what abortion is for??)  I could fill a dozen posts about how the media was pretty much out to get her in any way possible, and the fact she's remained popular DESPITE their interference is rather amazing really.

It's especially interest considering the media constantly accuses Republicans of (among other things) being afraid of strong women, when here's a woman who got where she is by her OWN MERITS, not by simply being MARRIED to the right guy.  (Give you one guess who I'm referring to here.)  Another interesting fact, when she was elected mayor, she ran against and exposed corruption within her OWN PARTY, something I can't, to my knowledge, say that Barack has ever done, even though he comes from one of the most politically corrupt areas of the country.  

NOW, all that being said... do I think she was the best choice for Vice President?  No, not really.  I frankly would have preferred Mitt Romney.  In addition, I think it was idiotic she was quit being the governor, and I think that might hurt her in the future.  I do believe that if she attempts to get the party nomination and doesn't get it, I really hope she WON'T go to a third party, cause that will just unnecessarily split the vote.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: BTM on November 26, 2010, 11:13:56 AM
despite what many people say about Obama (He's the reason why the oil spill happened!. Pbbt, the majority of the accident goes to both BP and the Bush Admin.)


I've never heard any sane person blame Obama for the BP accident.  I HAVE heard a lot of (to me, valid) criticism about the fact it took him an entire MONTH to even VISIT the site of the BP disaster.  I mean, Bush was draped over the coals for Katrina (cause, you know, Presidents can cause hurricanes and stuff), but Obama somehow got a free pass in the media on this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRj5ff2xl-4


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: lester1/2jr on November 26, 2010, 11:49:31 AM
Quote
Just find it odd that when certain politicians (read: Republicans) misspeak, the media loves to endless replay them over and over again.  But when Democrats do it, they'll get scant mention.  Obama saying there's 57 states in the United States, that people with asthma need "breathalysers", saying Hugo Chavez rose to power because of Bush's diplomatic failures with the Latin American communities (he rose to power during CLINTON'S presidency, not Bush), Biden saying "Jobs" is a THREE letter word, Hillary telling a joke about "Ghandi" running a convenience store, I could go on and on.

?? I've heard most of those things over and over in the right wing media.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: 3mnkids on November 26, 2010, 12:13:05 PM
despite what many people say about Obama (He's the reason why the oil spill happened!. Pbbt, the majority of the accident goes to both BP and the Bush Admin.)

I've never heard any sane person blame Obama for the BP accident.  I HAVE heard a lot of (to me, valid) criticism about the fact it took him an entire MONTH to even VISIT the site of the BP disaster.  I mean, Bush was draped over the coals for Katrina (cause, you know, Presidents can cause hurricanes and stuff), but Obama somehow got a free pass in the media on this.




It wasn't a month but 12 days and comparing Katrina to the gulf spill is not a fair comparison. People were dying after Katrina..


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: the ghoul on November 26, 2010, 01:06:08 PM
our national security policy. But obviously, we've got to stand with our North Korean allies – we're bound to by treaty....

That's right, we're bound by treaty  :cheers:

Uh, okay, could she have just meant to have said, "Southern"?  

Just find it odd that when certain politicians (read: Republicans) misspeak, the media loves to endless replay them over and over again.  But when Democrats do it, they'll get scant mention.  Obama saying there's 57 states in the United States, that people with asthma need "breathalysers", saying Hugo Chavez rose to power because of Bush's diplomatic failures with the Latin American communities (he rose to power during CLINTON'S presidency, not Bush), Biden saying "Jobs" is a THREE letter word, Hillary telling a joke about "Ghandi" running a convenience store, I could go on and on.

Not saying Palin hasn't said some off kilter things, but I just find it interesting that, once again, the coverage of such is slanted.


Of course she most likely meant to say "Southern."  I actually found the rest of the quote and its total lack of substance to be much more silly and disturbing than that little screw-up at the end.

You are right about the slanted coverage, and yes the Democrats say and do just as many stupid things as the Republicans.

If you want to know the truth about Rebublicans, you have to ask a Democrat.  If you want to know the truth about the Democrats, you have to ask a Rebublican.

They always leave out the part about how their party is every bit as ridiculous as the other.

The sad part is that Obama is no better or worse than Palin, and we the people are the real losers here because both of them will be laughing all the way to the bank, while we suffer the effects of what their parties have done to this country.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: lester1/2jr on November 26, 2010, 02:04:30 PM
what does she think we should do about North korea I wonder? sanctions? There are tons of sanctions on them already.



Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Doggett on November 26, 2010, 02:09:31 PM
I don't think anyone in Britain likes her.

Shes shown news channels now and then and she never seems like the sharpest knife in the draw.
She has good PR though.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on November 26, 2010, 02:41:26 PM
Perhaps Tamriel is overrun with Phyllis Schlafly clones.

Haha, very funny.   What was in that turkey you ate yesterday?     :twirl:

Umaril: you seem quite impressed with Sarah P's big gun.  The 'woman with a phallus' image clearly is significant to the foundation of your opinion of her.  LOTS of women use guns Umaril.  It is not such a big deal.

No, but traditionally guns have always been a manly thing. But you're right, more women are into it, and no big deal.   

However, if you read my post, I was alluding to the fact that guns and abortion have always been a part of the "battle of the sexes" issue,whether we care to realize it or not.

And in her defense of these issues, Palin is a figure in the battle of the sexes as well as politics, as far as Left-Wing women go.

In the case of the Left (and not in general) many anti-gun\Pro-Choice women may feel threatened by a woman who has the attention (and support) of their man on issues they disagree with their men on.  And God forbid if you're a womanand agree with Palin.....

Add to it that Palin is good looking and can put some younger models to shame, and you have a good old dose of female jealousy that has turned more than one set of blue eyes green.

So politically, (and battle of the sexes wise) this may be one reason for the general hatred for Palin that is felt by Leftist women and other women in general. But not the only one.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on November 26, 2010, 02:49:52 PM
Umaril, your words are sagely. You make some very valid points in both of your posts.

Thank you, dear friend. Nice to see some people here appreciate balanced thought.


As indifferent as I am, I simply marvel at how much clout she has achieved. Can't take that away from her.
 

Indeed. While some of it is PR-generated, yet more of it is earned by her and her alone.

What I do find amazing is that I have yet to speak to a woman who likes her. Seriously. And I work in an environment that is very predominantly conservative Republican. Men like Sarah Palin. Which is what fascinates me the most. You brought up a point that people who hate her are turned off by strong women. If that's the case, why is she hated by so many women? Is it because she is loved by so many men? Is it fuel for the stereotype that women are competitive over men?

This is a good question with many answers. Where do I begin? Bear with me for a few paragraphs.

Why do men like her so much?

For one, Palin is an ally of men and their traditional values, such as guns, hunting, and 4x4 trucks and 2 week long trips to the mountains.  And she's still pretty good looking to boot!

She is just as home with a 00 buck Remington 870 12 gauge, as she is being in the kitchen cooking for friends and family, and with little or no transitional difficulty. She's
an all-round woman who shatters the traditional female mold in a way previous women couldn't.

Why do women hate her?

She can relate to men on issues that your typical everyday woman can't (as I stated above)  This may threaten some women as they feel their power over traditional domestic and political issues is slipping.  The voice of Hollywood and that of Clinton and Pelosi are no longer the only ones on issues such as gun rights and abortion (to name a few.)

Lastly, (and a big one here) many women may see Palin as a traitor for her defense of these things, and not the traditional female values and roles such women play. They feel let down that she's equally at home on both sides of the battle of the sexes, and not just for women.

Just a few thoughts.


Not a big fan of women, are you?

Those are your words, not mine.  I was simply offering an explanation as to why women are turned off by Palin.  This is not a mysogynistic rant.  End of story.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on November 26, 2010, 03:00:42 PM
Elvira...now there is a strong woman who plays that game far better than Sarah Palin!

 :teddyr:  :thumbup:

'Nuff said.

I'm back to looking at cosplay girls now....

Cosplay...talk about women who don't live in the real world...


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: lester1/2jr on November 26, 2010, 04:04:40 PM
lol 1/4 of umaril's karma comes from indianasmith


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: indianasmith on November 26, 2010, 04:19:07 PM
He says stuff I agree with!  :thumbup: But I've given you quite a few over the years, Les, both negative and positive. :thumbup: :thumbdown:  I guarantee you if my old buddy  Cheezeflix was still hanging out here, Umaril's karma would be higher than it is!  While I love the fact that this board is a place where people of ALL ideologies meet and mix, it isn't exactly overflowing with conservative opinions.  So we righties have to stick together. :teddyr:


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Newt on November 26, 2010, 07:48:50 PM
In the case of the Left (and not in general) many anti-gun\Pro-Choice women may feel threatened by a woman who has the attention (and support) of their man on issues they disagree with their men on.  And God forbid if you're a womanand agree with Palin.....

Add to it that Palin is good looking and can put some younger models to shame, and you have a good old dose of female jealousy that has turned more than one set of blue eyes green.

So politically, (and battle of the sexes wise) this may be one reason for the general hatred for Palin that is felt by Leftist women and other women in general. But not the only one.


Sounds like the old schoolyard rationalisation: "They're just jealous".   I simply do not know any women of that kind: nobody I know is jealous of or threatened by Ms. Palin. 
Maybe it is an American thing. 


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: 3mnkids on November 26, 2010, 09:08:33 PM
In the case of the Left (and not in general) many anti-gun\Pro-Choice women may feel threatened by a woman who has the attention (and support) of their man on issues they disagree with their men on.  And God forbid if you're a womanand agree with Palin.....

Add to it that Palin is good looking and can put some younger models to shame, and you have a good old dose of female jealousy that has turned more than one set of blue eyes green.

So politically, (and battle of the sexes wise) this may be one reason for the general hatred for Palin that is felt by Leftist women and other women in general. But not the only one.


Sounds like the old schoolyard rationalisation: "They're just jealous".   I simply do not know any women of that kind: nobody I know is jealous of or threatened by Ms. Palin. 
Maybe it is an American thing. 
I can assure you it is not. I don't know any women who are jealous of her. Every woman I know feels nothing but contempt towards her. Being a dumb ass is not something most woman are jealous of. She is the Jessica Simpson of politics.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on November 26, 2010, 09:39:38 PM
lol 1/4 of umaril's karma comes from indianasmith

Feeling left out, are we?


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Newt on November 26, 2010, 09:40:08 PM
I don't know any women who are jealous of her. Every woman I know feels nothing but contempt towards her. Being a dumb ass is not something most woman are jealous of. She is the Jessica Simpson of politics.

Glad to hear it.  :thumbup:  Yes; 'contempt' fits.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on November 26, 2010, 10:37:57 PM
He says stuff I agree with!  :thumbup: But I've given you quite a few over the years, Les, both negative and positive. :thumbup: :thumbdown:  I guarantee you if my old buddy  Cheezeflix was still hanging out here, Umaril's karma would be higher than it is!  While I love the fact that this board is a place where people of ALL ideologies meet and mix, it isn't exactly overflowing with conservative opinions.  So we righties have to stick together. :teddyr:

And I'm stickin' with ya' Indy.  :cheers:

Of course, I can't blame some of the Left-oriented people for being upset about you and I stickin' together; we all know it's part of a larger Right-Wing conspiracy.

According to Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews, you and I are apparently working on resurrecting Ronald Reagan and Charlton Heston, and we're one step closer to putting Chuck Norris in charge of National Defense and giving Clint Eastwood and Charles Bronson their own police forces..not to mention a chicken in every pot and a gun in every home.

A chicken in every pot is better than a chicken who smokes pot, but let's all try to remember that Clinton smoked but didn't inhale. Not to mention Monica Lewinsky being just a bit richer due to the 'wad of bill's" she found in her left dress pocket..

Oh, not to mention that you and I giving away free lifetime NRA memberships to the Minutemen...

Gee Indy, you and I have been busy, haven't we?  :bouncegiggle: :twirl:


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: indianasmith on November 26, 2010, 11:34:36 PM
Uhhh .  . . yeah, sure, bud!

Actually, I'm thinking about bringing Reagan back as a zombie and running him for President in 2012.  I'm working on some slogans . . .

"Reagan.  A better President dead than all the others still alive."
"Ready to take a bite out of the liberals.  Or their agenda.  Whichever."
 or . . .

"Finally . . . a politician with some BBRRRAAAAAAAIIIINNSSSSS!"

Undead Ronnie in 2012!!!!

(OK, on a more serious note to Newt and 3mnkids - two lovely liberal ladies that I do have a great deal of respect for - y'all apparently move in a very different crowd than I do.  Nearly all the ladies that I talk to LIKE Sarah Palin. Some doubt she can win, but none of them seem to feel this "contempt" you refer to.)

OK, back to the silliness - thought of one more:

"REAGAN AGAIN. 
Are you better off now than you were when I was alive?"


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Mofo Rising on November 27, 2010, 03:11:43 AM
Uhhh .  . . yeah, sure, bud!

Actually, I'm thinking about bringing Reagan back as a zombie and running him for President in 2012.  I'm working on some slogans . . .

"Reagan.  A better President dead than all the others still alive."
"Ready to take a bite out of the liberals.  Or their agenda.  Whichever."
 or . . .

"Finally . . . a politician with some BBRRRAAAAAAAIIIINNSSSSS!"

Undead Ronnie in 2012!!!!

Actually, if you brought him back as Robo-President, then you might be on to something.

"Part man, part machine, all President!"

Then again, I'm sure your Right-wing conspiracy would put in a secret fourth "Prime Directive." You know, something like "Any attempt to censure a senior member of the GOP results in shutdown."

Hey, don't look at me that way, I voted for ED-209.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Newt on November 27, 2010, 07:22:11 AM
(OK, on a more serious note to Newt and 3mnkids - two lovely liberal ladies that I do have a great deal of respect for ...)

And in all seriousness, Indy, anyone within reach who calls me a 'liberal' gets a swift kick.  I suppose it can be a relative term: I will admit to being far more moderate than the bunch who still think it was a mistake to give women the vote.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: El Misfit on November 27, 2010, 01:04:53 PM
despite what many people say about Obama (He's the reason why the oil spill happened!. Pbbt, the majority of the accident goes to both BP and the Bush Admin.)


I've never heard any sane person blame Obama for the BP accident.  I HAVE heard a lot of (to me, valid) criticism about the fact it took him an entire MONTH to even VISIT the site of the BP disaster.  I mean, Bush was draped over the coals for Katrina (cause, you know, Presidents can cause hurricanes and stuff), but Obama somehow got a free pass in the media on this.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRj5ff2xl-4[/url]


oh trust me, the media can influence a crowd. and going back to you saying that you never heard any sane blame Obama, some did, but not blatantly. Others did {republicans in the state}

now since people call her an idiot because she said dumb things, I say it can be a toss up of weather or not she can run the country without making any major screw ups (Bush + FEMA)


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on November 27, 2010, 02:16:34 PM
Uhhh .  . . yeah, sure, bud!

Actually, I'm thinking about bringing Reagan back as a zombie and running him for President in 2012.  I'm working on some slogans . . .

"Reagan.  A better President dead than all the others still alive."
"Ready to take a bite out of the liberals.  Or their agenda.  Whichever."
 or . . .

"Finally . . . a politician with some BBRRRAAAAAAAIIIINNSSSSS!"

Undead Ronnie in 2012!!!!

Well, if the zombies are looking for brains, I'm sure that the Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and most of the Democratic party would be safe from attack, as well as a few Repubs\Tea Party'ers. Gotta' be fair here, not all of em' are rocket scientists.

(OK, on a more serious note to Newt and 3mnkids - two lovely liberal ladies that I do have a great deal of respect for - y'all apparently move in a very different crowd than I do.  Nearly all the ladies that I talk to LIKE Sarah Palin. Some doubt she can win, but none of them seem to feel this "contempt" you refer to.)

Same, I have respect for 3mnkids and Newt too, despite what they may think, but it's a two-way street.  Everyone has a different opinion. And aside from some basic p*ssing off that occasionally happens between us here, I don't see where we really hate each other. You "guys" are ok.  :teddyr:

OK, back to the silliness - thought of one more:

"REAGAN AGAIN.  Are you better off now than you were when I was alive?"

Interesting. Seems my joke post has raised some creatvity 'round the old camp  :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on November 27, 2010, 02:20:13 PM
Uhhh .  . . yeah, sure, bud!

Actually, I'm thinking about bringing Reagan back as a zombie and running him for President in 2012.  I'm working on some slogans . . .

"Reagan.  A better President dead than all the others still alive."
"Ready to take a bite out of the liberals.  Or their agenda.  Whichever."
 or . . .

"Finally . . . a politician with some BBRRRAAAAAAAIIIINNSSSSS!"

Undead Ronnie in 2012!!!!


Actually, if you brought him back as Robo-President, then you might be on to something.

"Part man, part machine, all President!"

Then again, I'm sure your Right-wing conspiracy would put in a secret fourth "Prime Directive." You know, something like "Any attempt to censure a senior member of the GOP results in shutdown."

Hey, don't look at me that way, I voted for ED-209.

Part man, part machine, all President?  Umm, we might have a problem there, since that was the theme of  "Fallout 3, but try it anyhow, the just might go for it!  :teddyr:


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Allhallowsday on November 27, 2010, 02:52:54 PM
(OK, on a more serious note to Newt and 3mnkids - two lovely liberal ladies that I do have a great deal of respect for - y'all apparently move in a very different crowd than I do.  Nearly all the ladies that I talk to LIKE Sarah Palin. Some doubt she can win, but none of them seem to feel this "contempt" you refer to.)
Same, I have respect for 3mnkids and Newt too, despite what they may think, but it's a two-way street.  Everyone has a different opinion. And aside from some basic p*ssing off that occasionally happens between us here, I don't see where we really hate each other. You "guys" are ok.  :teddyr:
And one of those ladies that you "respect" was the member of this site you confused me with.  But I noticed in that thread you did not respond to my pointing out that your accusations directed toward me were inaccurate.  :question:  :bluesad: I guess 'cause you right wingers can't stand to be wrong.  And that's where wit dims.



Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on November 27, 2010, 03:40:25 PM
(OK, on a more serious note to Newt and 3mnkids - two lovely liberal ladies that I do have a great deal of respect for - y'all apparently move in a very different crowd than I do.  Nearly all the ladies that I talk to LIKE Sarah Palin. Some doubt she can win, but none of them seem to feel this "contempt" you refer to.)
Same, I have respect for 3mnkids and Newt too, despite what they may think, but it's a two-way street.  Everyone has a different opinion. And aside from some basic p*ssing off that occasionally happens between us here, I don't see where we really hate each other. You "guys" are ok.  :teddyr:

And one of those ladies that you "respect" was the member of this site you confused me with.  But I noticed in that thread you did not respond to my pointing out that your accusations directed toward me were inaccurate.  :question:  :bluesad: I guess 'cause you right wingers can't stand to be wrong.  And that's where wit dims.

Your mistaken gender (and the karma issue, where I was accused of lowering someone's karma for disagreeing with me) were settled long ago, if you recall. 

I did apologize, (and I officially do again) but that's all I can do, I can't change it, man. What's done is done. 

Unlike you, I'm not calling you any names, and I'm not attacking you by concentrating on one incident.  I think it's time you let it go, man.

That's because if you continue beating this dead horse, it means your wit is just as dim, if not dimmer. 

And I never said I was right about everything, unlike your contemporaries in the Left-Wing media and Hollywood who literally sh*t all over anyone with a dissenting opinion. 

I know you're better than that.  That's all I have to say. Take it easy   :teddyr:


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: 3mnkids on November 27, 2010, 04:02:40 PM
Oy! Since im being talked about without anyone mentioning my name I guess I'll chime in.... While I don't specifically recall comparing umaril to glenn beck, it is possible I did.  I can say with 100% certainty that I did not say "you make me sick". I wont repeat what I said because its not relevant and im pretty sure he remembers    :teddyr:

I was asked to behave and I have been. I haven't responded to threads that I thought might make me lose my temper. However, this is the second thread in which im "talked" about and I feel the need to defend myself.





Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Allhallowsday on November 27, 2010, 05:20:37 PM
(OK, on a more serious note to Newt and 3mnkids - two lovely liberal ladies that I do have a great deal of respect for - y'all apparently move in a very different crowd than I do.  Nearly all the ladies that I talk to LIKE Sarah Palin. Some doubt she can win, but none of them seem to feel this "contempt" you refer to.)
Same, I have respect for 3mnkids and Newt too, despite what they may think, but it's a two-way street.  Everyone has a different opinion. And aside from some basic p*ssing off that occasionally happens between us here, I don't see where we really hate each other. You "guys" are ok.  :teddyr:

And one of those ladies that you "respect" was the member of this site you confused me with.  But I noticed in that thread you did not respond to my pointing out that your accusations directed toward me were inaccurate.  :question:  :bluesad: I guess 'cause you right wingers can't stand to be wrong.  And that's where wit dims.

Your mistaken gender (and the karma issue, where I was accused of lowering someone's karma for disagreeing with me) were settled long ago, if you recall. 
I did apologize, (and I officially do again) but that's all I can do, I can't change it, man. What's done is done. 
Unlike you, I'm not calling you any names, and I'm not attacking you by concentrating on one incident.  I think it's time you let it go, man.
That's because if you continue beating this dead horse, it means your wit is just as dim, if not dimmer. 
And I never said I was right about everything, unlike your contemporaries in the Left-Wing media and Hollywood who literally sh*t all over anyone with a dissenting opinion. 
I know you're better than that.  That's all I have to say. Take it easy   :teddyr:
Listen.  I am not a "left-winger."  Also, I called you one name (which I totally own) not "names" and that was because you have not acknowledged what happened between you and I.  That name was "dimwit" as I know you know.  I don't care about the "karma issue."  Your apology to another member in the past is not relevant to you accusing me of things that never happened.  Why do you go off onto other topics like the "media" instead of sticking to the subject at hand?  You confused me with that other member.  I never argued politics with you, never said you "made me sick" yet you will not acknowledge your mistake.  And this was the 2nd time you'd done it - the first was when you got the karma knock you refer to (you confused Ulthar with our lady friend).  A person who does things like that and doesn't own up to it isn't honorable.  I'm not beating a dead horse.  You are failing to take responsibility.  All those things you accused me of WERE SIMPLY NOT TRUE.  They never happened!  Do you get it YET?   You created a permanent record of falsehoods in that thread which I don't sit still for.  You may note that I have applauded some of your postings and had never argued with you before.  I seek only resolution, but resolution can't happen until facts are acknowledged.  Resolution seems impossible with you, obscuring the topic as you always do with "media" "Hollywood" "left wingers".  Sheesh.   :lookingup: 

This is all you need to respond to:
Did you or did you not confuse me with another member... a member you had argued with? 


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on November 27, 2010, 11:24:20 PM
Oy! Since im being talked about without anyone mentioning my name I guess I'll chime in.... While I don't specifically recall comparing umaril to glenn beck, it is possible I did.  I can say with 100% certainty that I did not say "you make me sick". I wont repeat what I said because its not relevant and im pretty sure he remembers  :teddyr:

Not a big deal. I'm not mad at you at all. If you did compare to the Beck-meister, so what?  As to what you said to me, it was something about shoving something. Again, not a big deal. It's not like it's going to make a big difference in what happens in the long run. We could disagree all night (or all century) but where the world goes, it will go regardless of what we think.
  

I was asked to behave and I have been. I haven't responded to threads that I thought might make me lose my temper. However, this is the second thread in which im "talked" about and I feel the need to defend myself.


I'm trying to behave too. I think I've been ok, but If I fund a lump of coal in my stocking this Christmas, I'll get the picture.  :wink:






Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on November 28, 2010, 12:02:16 AM

(OK, on a more serious note to Newt and 3mnkids - two lovely liberal ladies that I do have a great deal of respect for - y'all apparently move in a very different crowd than I do.  Nearly all the ladies that I talk to LIKE Sarah Palin. Some doubt she can win, but none of them seem to feel this "contempt" you refer to.)
Same, I have respect for 3mnkids and Newt too, despite what they may think, but it's a two-way street.  Everyone has a different opinion. And aside from some basic p*ssing off that occasionally happens between us here, I don't see where we really hate each other. You "guys" are ok.  :teddyr:

And one of those ladies that you "respect" was the member of this site you confused me with.  But I noticed in that thread you did not respond to my pointing out that your accusations directed toward me were inaccurate.  :question:  :bluesad: I guess 'cause you right wingers can't stand to be wrong.  And that's where wit dims.

Your mistaken gender (and the karma issue, where I was accused of lowering someone's karma for disagreeing with me) were settled long ago, if you recall.  
I did apologize, (and I officially do again) but that's all I can do, I can't change it, man. What's done is done.  
Unlike you, I'm not calling you any names, and I'm not attacking you by concentrating on one incident.  I think it's time you let it go, man.
That's because if you continue beating this dead horse, it means your wit is just as dim, if not dimmer.  
And I never said I was right about everything, unlike your contemporaries in the Left-Wing media and Hollywood who literally sh*t all over anyone with a dissenting opinion.  
I know you're better than that.  That's all I have to say. Take it easy   :teddyr:

Listen.  I am not a "left-winger."  Also, I called you one name (which I totally own) not "names" and that was because you have not acknowledged what happened between you and I.  That name was "dimwit" as I know you know.


However, that is still a personal attack upon me, as namecalling is part of what's forbidden.  Seems there's an apology coming to me too...

Your apology to another member in the past is not relevant to you accusing me of things that never happened.

Again, I did apologize to you. I can't change what happened. If I mistook you for
another member, please also remember that I was also mistaken as someone who lowered someone's karma because they disagreed with me. So as you can see, I'm not the only one who messed up.  Be that as is, I'm not going to live every waking day of my life worrying about it.

A person who does things like that and doesn't own up to it isn't honorable.  I'm not beating a dead horse.  You are failing to take responsibility.  All those things you accused me of WERE SIMPLY NOT TRUE.  They never happened!  Do you get it YET?   You created a permanent record of falsehoods in that thread which I don't sit still for.

Yes, I GET it.  Be that as is, you don't seem to see where I'm coming from. So far it's all about you. What I say dosen't seem to matter because it's not good enough for you.

This is all you need to respond to: Did you or did you not confuse me with another member... a member you had argued with?  

It's possible. I could have. But because I can't give you straight answer is no indication of dishonor or irresponsibility. People make mistakes. And if I DID, I have apologized for it. Several times now. And I have apologized in light of whether or not I actually did it or not.  

I don't know what to say at this point. Seems nothing I can say to you is good enough?



Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Allhallowsday on November 28, 2010, 12:29:32 AM
Learn how to research whom you have tangled with and God bless you. 


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Mofo Rising on November 28, 2010, 03:46:26 AM
This is all you need to respond to: Did you or did you not confuse me with another member... a member you had argued with?  

It's possible. I could have. But because I can't give you straight answer is no indication of dishonor or irresponsibility. People make mistakes. And if I DID, I have apologized for it. Several times now. And I have apologized in light of whether or not I actually did it or not.  

I don't know what to say at this point. Seems nothing I can say to you is good enough?

This is not my issue at all, but I was wondering why Allhallowsday was so angry. So I went back and looked at all the previous threads.

Umaril, it's not something you COULD have done, it's something you DID do, mistake somebody for another person, and attack them needlessly. You do realize that everything you've posted on this site is searchable, right?

You seem to think you can coast on a blanket of "well did I or didn't I?"

You did. I can see why Allhallowsday is angry at you. I'm not angry at you, just disappointed that you can really still believe yourself the beleaguered party.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Allhallowsday on November 28, 2010, 10:39:00 AM
This is all you need to respond to: Did you or did you not confuse me with another member... a member you had argued with?  
It's possible. I could have. But because I can't give you straight answer is no indication of dishonor or irresponsibility. People make mistakes. And if I DID, I have apologized for it. Several times now. And I have apologized in light of whether or not I actually did it or not.  
I don't know what to say at this point. Seems nothing I can say to you is good enough?
This is not my issue at all, but I was wondering why Allhallowsday was so angry. So I went back and looked at all the previous threads.
Umaril, it's not something you COULD have done, it's something you DID do, mistake somebody for another person, and attack them needlessly. You do realize that everything you've posted on this site is searchable, right?
You seem to think you can coast on a blanket of "well did I or didn't I?"
You did. I can see why Allhallowsday is angry at you. I'm not angry at you, just disappointed that you can really still believe yourself the beleaguered party.
Who are you? You're obviously an intelligent person, but who are you? In your life, what is it that you actually do?
Let's just drop it.  I wasn't angry; I was frustrated.  Now, I don't care anymore.  Apologies (he never "apologized" just claims he did) the media, left wingers, right wingers... The smoke in here is so thick I'm choking.  I do appreciate you chiming in, Mofo.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Doggett on November 28, 2010, 12:36:17 PM
I'm awesome.  :smile:


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Flick James on November 29, 2010, 10:50:23 AM
I've loved this thread. My original post was somewhat cynical and sarcastic, but there was a genuine interest in the psychological aspect of this phenomenon.

In my humble opinion, I particularly appreciate the posts of Newt and Umaril. There has been some useful input by indianasmith and lester to be sure, but Newt and Umaril's posts I think really get down to the dynamic of this bizarre phenomenon.

I will never be a Sarah Palin fan. I don't think I'll ever truly have a big issue with her either. Like I said before, I may be one of the few who are fairly indifferent to her. I am, however, enormously fascinated with the phenomenon. Sarah Palin, to me personally, represents just how fragmented and confused America has become over gender roles, what is sexually appealing, what is valued in a politician, what rouses people to vote, and the general state of the American mind. Much of it is not terribly flattering.

The American political arena is coming apart at the seams, and Sarah Palin is at the very heart of this upheaval. Despite the parodic nature of my original post, I am firmly convinced she will have an enormous influence over the next election.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Hammock Rider on November 29, 2010, 12:14:09 PM
Alright, now let's talk about the important Palin issue. How the hell did Bristol make it so far on Dancing with the Stars? She was a better dancer than Brandy? Than Florence Henderson even? No way. I just can not take that show seriously anymore.  :lookingup:


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Jim H on November 29, 2010, 01:53:39 PM
Alright, now let's talk about the important Palin issue. How the hell did Bristol make it so far on Dancing with the Stars? She was a better dancer than Brandy? Than Florence Henderson even? No way. I just can not take that show seriously anymore.  :lookingup:


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It IS a show called "Dancing with the Stars"....


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Flick James on November 29, 2010, 04:12:31 PM
Alright, now let's talk about the important Palin issue. How the hell did Bristol make it so far on Dancing with the Stars? She was a better dancer than Brandy? Than Florence Henderson even? No way. I just can not take that show seriously anymore.  :lookingup:


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It IS a show called "Dancing with the Stars"....


Hehe. Well, the title of the show implies that, in order to be a contestant, you have to be, or have been, a star of some sort. That alone should have eliminated Bristol from even being a contestant. Her only identity is being the daughter of Sarah Palin. Again, just more evidence just how pervasive she has become. They always introduced her as "Teen Activist Bristol Palin." Wow. Well, that was the only thing they could say, because the only other thing they could have said instead of "teen acitivist" would be "daughter of Sarah Palin."

Ain't pop culture a hoot?


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on November 29, 2010, 05:23:34 PM
Alright, now let's talk about the important Palin issue. How the hell did Bristol make it so far on Dancing with the Stars? She was a better dancer than Brandy? Than Florence Henderson even? No way. I just can not take that show seriously anymore.  :lookingup:

You can't take the show seriously anymore? You should be me..my wife DVR'S it every week and won't let anything stand in the way of her watching it.  And then I have to hear about it afterwards  :buggedout:


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on November 29, 2010, 05:52:50 PM

I've loved this thread. My original post was somewhat cynical and sarcastic, but there was a genuine interest in the psychological aspect of this phenomenon.

In my humble opinion, I particularly appreciate the posts of Newt and Umaril. There has been some useful input by indianasmith and lester to be sure, but Newt and Umaril's posts I think really get down to the dynamic of this bizarre phenomenon.

Thank you kindly, sir. I'm glad I was able to do some good here. Cheers.  :cheers:

Sarah Palin, to me personally, represents just how fragmented and confused America has become over gender roles, what is sexually appealing, what is valued in a politician, what rouses people to vote, and the general state of the American mind. Much of it is not terribly flattering.

Gender roles were defined decades ago, and also took decades to dismantle and re-define.  It didn't happen overnight.  Society evolved, and so did we.

Society is so varied and multi-faceted today, that's it's no longer a case of "boys do this" and "girls do that."  It's not like it was in the good old "Happy Days" of the 50's, where life and it's daily roles were defined by gender and more exclusive to such.

And on that note,  both men and women have, in a way, been cross-trained in the traditonal roles each once played to exclusivity. Not only out of the need to break social
barriers, but just to get by and survive everyday.  It was bound to happen. Nothing stays the same.




Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Jim H on November 29, 2010, 06:20:00 PM
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Gender roles were defined decades ago

Heh.  I'd say much of what constitutes gender roles today was defined more like 5-7,000 years ago at the dawn of civilization, and a good deal of it likely pre-dates the modern human species. 

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And on that note,  both men and women have, in a way, been cross-trained in the traditonal roles each once played to exclusivity. Not only out of the need to break social
barriers, but just to get by and survive everyday.  It was bound to happen. Nothing stays the same.

Yeah...  I'm reminded of my grandfather (who died last year).  When my grandmother died about eight years ago, he had to learn to do all sorts of things as he now lived alone and refused to get help of any sort (he was in fact pretty rich, but you'd never know it based on his home or lifestyle).  My mom and her sisters had to teach him how to cook, clean, do laundry, that sort of thing - he'd never done any of it in his entire life, that's how rigidly the roles between husband and wife were in the time and place where he grew up.  Not like you could call him lazy for not knowing such stuff - he ruined his lungs (which eventually killed him) and his hearing working at a mill extremely long hours to support his seven kids.  So his wife HAD to take care of everything in the home. 


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on November 29, 2010, 06:44:39 PM
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Gender roles were defined decades ago

Heh.  I'd say much of what constitutes gender roles today was defined more like 5-7,000 years ago at the dawn of civilization, and a good deal of it likely pre-dates the modern human species. 

True, true. Naturally, I was speaking of more modern times.
Apparently I forgot about the days when men hunted with flint tips and used atlatls, and women stayed barefoot and topless in the cave. Not that I mind topless women, mind you  :twirl:     

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And on that note,  both men and women have, in a way, been cross-trained in the traditonal roles each once played to exclusivity. Not only out of the need to break social
barriers, but just to get by and survive everyday.  It was bound to happen. Nothing stays the same.

Yeah...  I'm reminded of my grandfather (who died last year).  When my grandmother died about eight years ago, he had to learn to do all sorts of things as he now lived alone and refused to get help of any sort (he was in fact pretty rich, but you'd never know it based on his home or lifestyle).  My mom and her sisters had to teach him how to cook, clean, do laundry, that sort of thing - he'd never done any of it in his entire life, that's how rigidly the roles between husband and wife were in the time and place where he grew up.  Not like you could call him lazy for not knowing such stuff - he ruined his lungs (which eventually killed him) and his hearing working at a mill extremely long hours to support his seven kids.  So his wife HAD to take care of everything in the home. 

Sorry to hear such a sad tale, my friend.  It'll be ten years for my maternal grandmother in Feb. of 2011. We both have ones we miss   :bluesad:

But yes, you make a good point about how some folks have to learn out of necessity, as your grandfather had to. 

Seven kids? Wow...sounds like there was as a lot more love than there was money (if I may say.)   God rest his soul for his earthly committment to family.  Sounds like he was a very good man and you were lucky to have known him.  :smile:


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Allhallowsday on November 29, 2010, 09:44:57 PM
 :lookingup:


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: BTM on December 02, 2010, 12:57:25 AM
I like Cheez-Its.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on December 02, 2010, 03:26:21 AM
I like Cheez-Its.


Y' know what? For some odd reason, I suddenly find myself liking them too..  But like the commercial says, ya' gotta get yer own box.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: El Misfit on December 04, 2010, 08:12:32 PM

Why do men like her so much?

For one, Palin is an ally of men and their traditional values, such as guns, hunting, and 4x4 trucks and 2 week long trips to the mountains.  And she's still pretty good looking to boot!

She is just as home with a 00 buck Remington 870 12 gauge, as she is being in the kitchen cooking for friends and family, and with little or no transitional difficulty. She's
an all-round woman who shatters the traditional female mold in a way previous women couldn't.


umm, I don't like her because, what I believe, she is trying to intimidate the women by being more of a tomboy, err tom man than what a lady would be characterized as, but it is my own opinion.  :bluesad:


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on December 05, 2010, 12:51:46 PM

Why do men like her so much?

For one, Palin is an ally of men and their traditional values, such as guns, hunting, and 4x4 trucks and 2 week long trips to the mountains.  And she's still pretty good looking to boot!

She is just as home with a 00 buck Remington 870 12 gauge, as she is being in the kitchen cooking for friends and family, and with little or no transitional difficulty. She's
an all-round woman who shatters the traditional female mold in a way previous women couldn't.


umm, I don't like her because, what I believe, she is trying to intimidate the women by being more of a tomboy, err tom man than what a lady would be characterized as, but it is my own opinion.  :bluesad:


Would it make any difference if Palin was a hot, curvy and overdeveloped young 20-something woman holding a Remington and bouncing all over the place every time she
got a round off?     

C'mon, you know it would... :teddyr:

As to tomboy-ishness,  it never really bothered me, as long as she's not "too" tom.

And we all know how Hollywood "women" feel about Palin, and THEY have no room to criticize either.  Are they any more ideal of a role model?

Hollywood womens' quest for immortality, thru chemical and prosthetic means ( lipo, boob-jobs, and Botox)  and the 90-pound runway models who don't eat for a year to to get that "sexy" look are no more of an image that should be promoted either.

But, to acknowledge your point, you could be onto something, in terms of Palin's tomboyishness being a problem for some women. 






Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: lester1/2jr on December 05, 2010, 02:06:49 PM
I prefer Michelle Bachman


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on December 05, 2010, 02:25:23 PM
I prefer Michelle Bachman

Hehe. I used to like Kate Winslet a LOT...that scene in Titanic when she was laying on the couch nude in front of Leo DiCaprio as he painted her, with those lovely round, natural ta-ta's gently swaying whenever she moved on the couch.

And all that flaming red hair of hers!  O.M.G. :hot:

She did a fully frontal nude scene in another movie ( I forget which one) and I nearly died from the heat. She had such a big, full and natural female figure in that scene.

Dude, I need a cold shower... :buggedout:

Looks like she might have lost a few pounds, and I'm a bit sad that she's no longer as fully figured as she was in Titanic and the other movie I mentioned, but she was always a big love of mine and a truly beautiful and natural lady in her day.

Natural being the key word.  :teddyr:


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: 3mnkids on December 05, 2010, 02:53:19 PM
Foreign Press Says What America’s Won’t: Sarah Palin is a Traitor
http://www.politicususa.com/en/foreign-sarah-palin-traitor
Just a few juicer bits.. the entire thing is worth a read though.


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Sarah Palin has made it to the big time; she’s now being called out by international media. Yesterday, the Russian newspaper Pravda (this same paper has been quoted in numerous Right Wing publications when it criticized President Obama, and was considered a paper of merit at such time) eviscerated Sarah Palin for her unrelenting attacks upon the democratically elected President, at a time when America needs to stand together, united.


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If anything is a threat to the national security of the United States of America, it is this screaming, unrefined oaf with as much class as a searing release of flatulence followed by hysterical giggling at a state banquet. Is this what the people of the USA deserve?


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One wonders, can Sarah Palin can see what the Russians see: a shrill, desperate demagogue more interested in making money and getting famous than in the best interests of her country; a woman so jealous of a sitting President that she takes every blow her country faces and exploits it, turning it into an even more negative, frightening moment while distracting from the real work – never once stepping into the debate to lead, to soothe, to unite.


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Ms Palin’s heavily moderated Facebook page was just months ago full of comments calling for the death of our President, sedition, and the overthrowing of the Obama administration as being God’s will. Those comments were left standing while comments questioning Ms Palin in any way were scrubbed. Ms Palin stands for a level of vitriolic, simmering revulsion so steeped in delusions of self-righteousness, it’s tough to swim to sanity once you’ve been washed in the blood of her particular lamb


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on December 05, 2010, 04:10:23 PM
Foreign Press Says What America’s Won’t: Sarah Palin is a Traitor
[url]http://www.politicususa.com/en/foreign-sarah-palin-traitor[/url]
Just a few juicer bits.. the entire thing is worth a read though.


What I'm about to say is not guided at you, 3mnkids, but the article, for overlooking a few of the things that seem to get lost in the desire to smear America.


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Sarah Palin has made it to the big time; she’s now being called out by international media. Yesterday, the Russian newspaper Pravda (this same paper has been quoted in numerous Right Wing publications when it criticized President Obama, and was considered a paper of merit at such time) eviscerated Sarah Palin for her unrelenting attacks upon the democratically elected President, at a time when America needs to stand together, united.


At least Pravda criticized both Repub and Dem leaders, and not one sole party.

Criticism was the norm for 8 years of Bush 2, but now attacks upon Obama are wrong? 

And as far as attacking "Democratically elected leaders", I'm sure the media is busy trying to find all those ballots that were burned in the last election in November. You know, the one where the people democratically voted the Dems out of The House?

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If anything is a threat to the national security of the United States of America, it is this screaming, unrefined oaf with as much class as a searing release of flatulence followed by hysterical giggling at a state banquet. Is this what the people of the USA deserve?


And the British govt. is hailed as humanitarians for releasing the Lockerbie Bomber out of sympathy (saying he only had 3 months to live) and openly spitting in the faces of the victims' families. Is that what Europe and the UK deserve, leaders who kow-tow to terrorist statehoods in the name of a better image and humanity to cover their fear of them?  Apples to oranges? Maybe, but something to consider anyway.

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One wonders, can Sarah Palin can see what the Russians see: a shrill, desperate demagogue more interested in making money and getting famous than in the best interests of her country; a woman so jealous of a sitting President that she takes every blow her country faces and exploits it, turning it into an even more negative, frightening moment while distracting from the real work – never once stepping into the debate to lead, to soothe, to unite.


The Russians? Oh yeah, the govt. that secretly poisoned Ukranian president Viktor Yuschenko for his defiance of Vladimir Putin and his thugs. Not to mention the sudden disappearances or deaths of several anti-Soviet folk and leaders in the past.

Making money?  For almost 50 post WW2 years, the Russians leeched off their neighbors to feed their facade of a strong military state, and starved them poor as their leaders sat in the Kremlin enjoying caviar and vodka?  Uh...yeah, continue to criticize about money and the good life.

Racism and religious repression of exiled Holocaust survivors to the far reaches of Siberia. Josef Stalin and his mass persecution of Russo-Georgian folk. The graves they still find.

Oh back to making money: Supplying almost every Third World country with their military hardware (including Cuba, N. Korea and Vietnam, and the Middle East, and now Chavez-era venezuela.)  Wherever the US is hated, there's an AK-47 and T-80 tank.

Oh, those missiles off the coast of Florida in 1962 were just a misunderstanding... As we see, the Russians and their govt. have a LOT of room to criticize the U.S.

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Ms Palin’s heavily moderated Facebook page was just months ago full of comments calling for the death of our President, sedition, and the overthrowing of the Obama administration as being God’s will. Those comments were left standing while comments questioning Ms Palin in any way were scrubbed.


Let's not forget the statements that Senator Timothy Horrigan made about Palin, that cost him a resignation from the Democratic party.

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Ms Palin stands for a level of vitriolic, simmering revulsion so steeped in delusions of self-righteousness, it’s tough to swim to sanity once you’ve been washed in the blood of her particular lamb


I thought that vitriolic statements and shimmering self-righteousness was the sole property of Keith Olbermann. I guess I was wrong.
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Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: RCMerchant on December 09, 2010, 09:30:53 PM
If she does a hardcore sex tape,I'll vote for her..... :lookingup:


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: El Misfit on December 09, 2010, 10:26:39 PM

Why do men like her so much?

For one, Palin is an ally of men and their traditional values, such as guns, hunting, and 4x4 trucks and 2 week long trips to the mountains.  And she's still pretty good looking to boot!

She is just as home with a 00 buck Remington 870 12 gauge, as she is being in the kitchen cooking for friends and family, and with little or no transitional difficulty. She's
an all-round woman who shatters the traditional female mold in a way previous women couldn't.


umm, I don't like her because, what I believe, she is trying to intimidate the women by being more of a tomboy, err tom man than what a lady would be characterized as, but it is my own opinion.  :bluesad:


Would it make any difference if Palin was a hot, curvy and overdeveloped young 20-something woman holding a Remington and bouncing all over the place every time she
got a round off?     

C'mon, you know it would... :teddyr:

As to tomboy-ishness,  it never really bothered me, as long as she's not "too" tom.

And we all know how Hollywood "women" feel about Palin, and THEY have no room to criticize either.  Are they any more ideal of a role model?

Hollywood womens' quest for immortality, thru chemical and prosthetic means ( lipo, boob-jobs, and Botox)  and the 90-pound runway models who don't eat for a year to to get that "sexy" look are no more of an image that should be promoted either.

But, to acknowledge your point, you could be onto something, in terms of Palin's tomboyishness being a problem for some women. 





only if she was black :twirl:


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Doggett on December 12, 2010, 09:38:47 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7ySAPhslJM&feature=related


 :teddyr:


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: indianasmith on December 12, 2010, 11:12:45 AM
LOL!!!!

BTW, I think that quoting PRAVDA, the mouthpiece of the most evil and repressive regime of the 20th century, is not going to sway the opinion of any conservative - and probably not many liberals.  They have, shall we say, some credibility issues.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on December 12, 2010, 11:13:22 PM
LOL!!!!

BTW, I think that quoting PRAVDA, the mouthpiece of the most evil and repressive regime of the 20th century, is not going to sway the opinion of any conservative - and probably not many liberals.  They have, shall we say, some credibility issues.

Well, just from the short (but definitely much longer) list of issues I exemplified in my counter-reply to their criticism of the U.S. it would be ridiculous for anyone to believe anything coming from the Russian media in any form.


"What, you don't like Russian bandstand, comrade?"

(insert sounds of multiple gunshots and the screams of the dying.)

"There, now everybody loves Russian Bandstand!" 

:tongueout:


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Flick James on December 17, 2010, 05:00:13 PM
LOL!!!!

BTW, I think that quoting PRAVDA, the mouthpiece of the most evil and repressive regime of the 20th century, is not going to sway the opinion of any conservative - and probably not many liberals.  They have, shall we say, some credibility issues.

Oh, come on, indy. Is there ANYTHING that would sway tho opinion of a conservative?

I kid.  :twirl:


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on December 19, 2010, 02:24:25 PM
LOL!!!!

BTW, I think that quoting PRAVDA, the mouthpiece of the most evil and repressive regime of the 20th century, is not going to sway the opinion of any conservative - and probably not many liberals.  They have, shall we say, some credibility issues.

Oh, come on, indy. Is there ANYTHING that would sway tho opinion of a conservative?

I kid.  :twirl:

It does bring up a good point about the Soviet Union in general: it's the one country that, aside from Germany, has seen the biggest amount of socio\political change in the past 65 post WW2 years.

Communism, then the break in the 80's and 90's under "glasnost" and the subsequent loss of several of their backyard properties to NATO. And now it seems they are back to the old ways under Putin.

So, aside from opinions and their sway upon conservatives and liberals, there is a genuine feeling of "I don't know what to believe anymore" from Eastern Europe. Who knows where it's gonna' go?  :question:


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Killer Bees on January 07, 2011, 06:10:41 PM
As much as it shocks and horrifies me to say this, I agree with Flick.  Sarah Palin is well on her way to being the next president.

If that happens, I'm going to treat the situation like zombies have taken over the world and I'm moving to the woods to live a self sufficient lifestyle.

I weep for the United States  :buggedout:


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Jim H on January 07, 2011, 07:03:51 PM
As much as it shocks and horrifies me to say this, I agree with Flick.  Sarah Palin is well on her way to being the next president.

If that happens, I'm going to treat the situation like zombies have taken over the world and I'm moving to the woods to live a self sufficient lifestyle.

I weep for the United States  :buggedout:

Well, there's no signs that the swing voters have changed their opinion of her.  Thus far, they HATE HER.  Predicted outcomes are at a 20+ point loss to Obama.  That's a gigantic margin for US presidential elections.  Opinions on Obama have been coming up in the past month or so too - just like they did with Clinton in a very similar situation.  Don't worry about it just yet.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Killer Bees on January 07, 2011, 07:36:27 PM
Alright, now let's talk about the important Palin issue. How the hell did Bristol make it so far on Dancing with the Stars? She was a better dancer than Brandy? Than Florence Henderson even? No way. I just can not take that show seriously anymore.  :lookingup:

I'm surprised you ever took that show seriously. :teddyr:


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on January 07, 2011, 08:01:47 PM

Alright, now let's talk about the important Palin issue. How the hell did Bristol make it so far on Dancing with the Stars? She was a better dancer than Brandy? Than Florence Henderson even? No way. I just can not take that show seriously anymore.  :lookingup:

I'm surprised you ever took that show seriously. :teddyr:

Tell me about it...my wife has a spot reserved for it on the DVR. And on top of some of the othe stuff she watches (hello American Idol) I'm starting to wish I didn't get the DVR..


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Mofo Rising on January 08, 2011, 03:57:00 AM
I don't know, I think Palin as a politically viable candidate is a dead issue. I've always viewed her nomination as a Vice President candidate as a shameless PR stunt, one that had more legs than I would have given it credit for.

Still, as a political force, the push she embodies has been surprisingly robust. However, it isn't one that is unassailable. The Tea Party-backed choice for Senator of Alaska, Joe Miller, was defeated by a write-in. Lisa Murkowski may not be well-liked in Alaska, to say the least, but she was more popular than the Republican's party's pick.

I think Palin will continue to be a political force, but only in the way that Bill O'Reilly is a political force. She seems more at home in the reality of "reality television" than in actual reality. And she seems happier there. A political pundit with a daughter who dances for the stars.

I still think the most damning condemnation of Sarah Palin is that she literally quit her position as the governor of Alaska. I can't imagine that the Republican party is so bereft of leaders that they would nominate somebody who left when the going got tough. Not unless they're dedicated to the idea of losing.

No, Sarah Palin is pretty much bosom buddies with Ann Coulter now. Booster girl for those who are already sold.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: lester1/2jr on January 08, 2011, 02:21:26 PM
Christine O Donnell's failure to win that seat may be an indication of her lack of viability.

Larry King asked her about alot of this stuff a while back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVfE09y2eD4


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: indianasmith on January 08, 2011, 08:54:42 PM
That was, frankly, rather weird.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: lester1/2jr on January 09, 2011, 10:09:55 AM
haha it was one of the first things I made on xtranormal. at least I didn't pay for it.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: El Misfit on January 09, 2011, 01:41:50 PM
The situation with Christine O'Donnell was, honestly, very immature. Everyone should know there's no such thing as witchcraft, only voodooism. I honestly believe that when she did "I'm You" video, I believe that it was almost a parady on her situation. it is also noted that when trying to dig up dirt on someone, even joking around is a bad thing to do, at least when it comes to politics.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Flick James on January 10, 2011, 02:14:43 PM
Wow, just when I thought the thread had died.

I appreciate all the input. Every bit of it. It's something I'm trying to understand from a sociological perspective. I don't get her appeal, but I'm only one person. She is a bit of a spokeperson for America, don't you kid yourself, she most certainly is, and I feel wierd about it. She certainly doesn't represent women in the USA by any means. I'm not entirely sure what she represents.

I know I made the statement that she is the next President, and I hope everybody by now has realized I was trying to be humorous. However, if she decided she wanted to go for it and really got busy at it as a third-party candidate, I have no doubt she would fare better than Ross Perot did. What I am saying, however, is that I am thoroughly convinced she will have a significant effect on the next presidential election, because at the very least she WILL endorse somebody, and she WILL influence a whole lot of people to vote for that person. I guarantee it.

I mean, look at Bristol. Absolutely NOBODY would know who she is if she wasn't the daughter of Sarah Palin. She has no apparent talent in anything, and has absolutely no personality. I mean, have you heard her speak? Maybe she's totally different when the cameras are off but publicly she's about a memorable as Don Kirshner. Who's Don Kirshner? Exactly. Not only did she advance to the final three of a dance competition that is pretty intense (regardless of what you think about the show) and one of the most popular t.v. shows in America, but she did so with having absolutely no personality or dancing skill the entire way. Why? Sarah Palin. Oh, and not to mention that it is suddenly very fashionable to be a teen mom (have you seen the magazine covers at the supermarket recently?). Sarah Palin's (and daughter's) appeal are even more fanatical amongst the ever expanding military crowd in our country.

When Kathy Griffin made a joke at a USO show recently saying that Bristol Palin was the only contestant on Dancing With the Stars that actually gained 15 pounds by doing the show, she got widely booed. I'm not a Kathy Griffin fan, in fact I find her pretty annoying, but that's a funny joke. My point is that if somebody were to make an even more offensive joke about something like, say, Britney Spears' crotch shot, it would have gotten lots of laughs. I'm prior military and I've seen comedy shows delivered to troops, believe me, I know.

My point in all of this is that Sarah Palin, whether one chooses to acknowledge it or not, is a bonafide public phenomenon. I know President Obama gets a lot of criticism for a lot of things. Some his fault and some not. However, I firmly place the Sarah Palin phenomenon squarely on his shoulders. Had he not run for president, Sarah Palin would never have been selected as a running mate to compete for historical weight, and nobody outside of Alaska would even know who she is. Thank you, President Obama. Thank you very much.

 :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: The Burgomaster on January 10, 2011, 03:17:49 PM
Sarah Palin will never be President.  She sunk herself when she tried to explain how the Russians would attack us via Alaska, so that means she has foreign policy experience.  The reality show didn't help either.  She would get crushed in an election.  Crushed.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: indianasmith on January 10, 2011, 03:42:11 PM
Never say never.  No, I do not think she could win in 2012.  However, I think that she will have a significant role in determining who DOES win, one way, or another.
Ten years from now?  Her kids will have grown up, she will have had a decade and a half in the public arena, and a chance to grow politically and personally.  Who knows what might happen then?


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: JPickettIII on January 11, 2011, 03:36:35 PM
Five words to say about Sarah and the presidency:  I will move to Canada.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: indianasmith on January 11, 2011, 11:54:54 PM
In all honesty, if this republic has survived Jimmy Carter, Warren G. Harding, Richard Nixon, Franklin Pierce, and someone named Millard Fillmore, it can survive an elk shooting hockey mom from Alaska.

She's a Christian and a conservative who seems to be more style than substance.

People said the same about Reagan, and now he has moved in the rankings to the "near great" category.

 Bottom line: don't say you're gonna leave the country unless you're actually prepared to do it.  Otherwise you become a mealy mouthed hypocrite like Streisand and Baldwin and all the other Hollywood limousine liberals who said they were going to leave America forever if Bush won.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Flick James on January 12, 2011, 06:03:28 PM
In all honesty, if this republic has survived Jimmy Carter, Warren G. Harding, Richard Nixon, Franklin Pierce, and someone named Millard Fillmore, it can survive an elk shooting hockey mom from Alaska.

She's a Christian and a conservative who seems to be more style than substance.

People said the same about Reagan, and now he has moved in the rankings to the "near great" category.

 Bottom line: don't say you're gonna leave the country unless you're actually prepared to do it.  Otherwise you become a mealy mouthed hypocrite like Streisand and Baldwin and all the other Hollywood limousine liberals who said they were going to leave America forever if Bush won.

Certainly we will disagree on this one, but I don't put Reagen in the near great category. Once I did, but I have since reconsidered. Reagan did a lot of harm to capitalism. He created a soft, temporary, illusory economic boom that created a lot of fake money. I'm not singling him out, believe me. The last several administations have been slowly moving us into a globalist and subservient posture to the rest of the world, and now the chickens are coming home to roost.

Reagan was no great capitalist. I always find it funny when leftists point at the S&L scandal as an example of the evils of capitalism and deregulation. Anybody who does a basic analysis of what created that fiasco, they will see that capitalism had nothing to do with it, and what's more, I find it funny that it's defined as deregulation.

The S&L scandal was the result of Reagan removing a number of tax shelters, sending investors running for cover. The big mistake made, the one that made the scandal possible at all, was the availability of federal charters, which allowed investors to back their investments with taxpayer money. Regardless of the success or failure of their investments, their money was covered. This is about as contradictory to capitalism as it gets. So what happened? Investors put their money in longshot high-risk, high-yield opportunities that had little hope of succeeding. No loss on their part when they fell flat on their faces, the taxpayers were there to bail them out. All thanks to Reagan and his "capitalist" politics.

Reagan was no friend to capitalism, just like very few Repulicans are. They are mainly corporatists, something equally as ugly as any supposedly socialist-leaning Democrat. It's about time people educate themselves about capitalism and understand the difference.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: indianasmith on January 13, 2011, 12:02:24 AM
My admiration for Reagan stems from two sources:
1.  How he lifted the country out of the bleak, sad malaise of the Carter years and made us believe in ourselves again.
2.  The major role he played in destroying the Soviet Union without firing a shot.  Millions of Eastern Europeans live in freedom thanks to his heroic stand.  Ask the people of Poland, Latvia, Estonia, and the Ukraine if he deserves "great" recognition and you will see what I mean!

I have arrived, after years of observation, at the conclusion that the economy is a great sluggish beast that pretty much does what it is going to do regardless of who is in office.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: lester1/2jr on January 13, 2011, 10:30:08 AM
Quote
The big mistake made, the one that made the scandal possible at all, was the availability of federal charters, which allowed investors to back their investments with taxpayer money. Regardless of the success or failure of their investments, their money was covered. This is about as contradictory to capitalism as it gets


this. it was the same in 08.


this book (http://www.amazon.com/Recarving-Rushmore-Presidents-Prosperity-Independent/dp/1598130226) ranks the presidents in terms of how they actually affected peoples lives. Its totally different than the state version of that history/ ranking.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: indianasmith on January 13, 2011, 07:12:52 PM
"State version"??
Independent polls of various historians by various news organizations are not exactly state-sponsored propaganda.  I get that you're libertarian and all, but the rhetoric wears very thin sometimes.

You admire Presidents who do nothing.  I admire Presidents who do great things.
That doesn't make you an idiot, nor me a statist.

We just have different criteria.

"State version."  Yeeesh.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Allhallowsday on January 14, 2011, 12:52:04 AM
My admiration for Reagan stems from two sources:
1.  How he lifted the country out of the bleak, sad malaise of the Carter years and made us believe in ourselves again.
WHAT'S THAT NOISE??  :question: (Oh, sorry, I'd a li'l gas.)  NIXON nor FORD had any hand in the malaise?   Howzabout their years?  :question: :lookingup:

2.  The major role he played in destroying the Soviet Union without firing a shot.  Millions of Eastern Europeans live in freedom thanks to his heroic stand.  Ask the people of Poland, Latvia, Estonia, and the Ukraine if he deserves "great" recognition and you will see what I mean!
My hero!   :smile:

I have arrived, after years of observation, at the conclusion that the economy is a great sluggish beast that pretty much does what it is going to do regardless of who is in office.
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff259/allhallowsday/SLUG.jpg)


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Mofo Rising on January 14, 2011, 01:57:32 AM
I have arrived, after years of observation, at the conclusion that the economy is a great sluggish beast that pretty much does what it is going to do regardless of who is in office.
([url]http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff259/allhallowsday/SLUG.jpg[/url])


I'm not one to toot my own horn, but I would like to say that is the soundness of my voting habits is in no small part responsible for all the upswings in the economy for the past decade and a half. Not to mention all those internet petitions I supported.

Sad to say, those who voted other than I did performed a serious disservice to this country, which is why the economy is in the state it is in today. Not to mention all those reckless internet petitions floating around these days.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: lester1/2jr on January 14, 2011, 09:14:33 AM
Indiana smith- state version is an apt description. It is the one that glorifies the state and the one taught in state schools.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: indianasmith on January 14, 2011, 07:20:37 PM
It's not a state, it's a COUNTRY.  A country I love and whose heroes I admire.
If you hate it so much, the exits are plainly marked.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Allhallowsday on January 14, 2011, 11:29:42 PM
It's not a state, it's a COUNTRY.  A country I love and whose heroes I admire.
If you hate it so much, the exits are plainly marked.
Oh, Indy, you know Lester by now, and his remarks are not "hateful".  But when anybody starts that "love it or leave it" sh!t, it's annoying.  You're not loving your national government right now, are you?  Are you somehow superior with your clutching Christianity and condemning jingoism?  :question: :smile:


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: lester1/2jr on January 15, 2011, 09:57:50 AM
The state and the country are two different things. That's not rhetoric. The country is the people, the state is the ruling body. I hate the state but love the country. and where would I go? I hate ALL states. I have no opinon on allstate insurance.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: indianasmith on January 15, 2011, 10:21:04 AM
I was a bit snippish last night, it was late and I was grumpy.  But seriously, I don't think I could live with your worldview.  It is very depressing.

As for you, AHD, . . .  :twirl:


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Jim H on January 15, 2011, 01:27:51 PM
The state and the country are two different things. That's not rhetoric. The country is the people, the state is the ruling body. I hate the state but love the country. and where would I go? I hate ALL states. I have no opinon on allstate insurance.

Somalia seems like the go-to place for "no government".  Antarctica?  Northern Canada?  Unpopulated Indonesian islands?

On that note, I do wish there were a few significant free areas.  Places owned by no one with no control over them of any kind.  I do find it rather depressing that the governments of the world insist on carving up all the major land areas, even the ones they have no real interest in.  Antarctica is the only exception, and even then only a partial one.  But, of course, as an American citizen, I'm considered to be under the purvey of US law even outside the US - which is complete BS, and a pretty good reason to renounce citizenship if you ever permanently leave the country.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Barack Clinton on January 17, 2011, 02:20:23 PM
Saran palin used violent overtones in her speech, reduces everything to oversimplified terms, scapegoats certain groups, promises easy fixes. invokes anger and depends on charisma.

 Sounds like some other political leader who came out of nowhere while a nation was in a terrible time and suddenly rose to power within a few years...


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on January 18, 2011, 12:44:40 PM
Bottom line: don't say you're gonna leave the country unless you're actually prepared to do it.  Otherwise you become a mealy mouthed hypocrite like Streisand and Baldwin and all the other Hollywood limousine liberals who said they were going to leave America forever if Bush won.

Werd, Indy.  As always, you're the man!     :cheers: 

With all due respect to those who wish to leave America: 

One of the recent Call Of Duty games had a quote from an "unknown author" that went something like this: 

"If one cannot support the colors he lives under, perhaps one had better find another flag."

You might regret your decision, and find out that despite what you didn't have here in America, that you still had it good.  What you're running to might be worse than what you ran from.  Your choice, though, and good luck.

Now a word about Barbara Streisand: She was mouthing off one time that America should be feeding people in other countries and here at home, and not spending it on war.  Nothing typical about that war cry, and I agree.

Yet, her and hubby James Brolin allegedly admitted that they spend upwards of 30,000 a year on their lawn, their trees and property.  Barbara, can you eat trees and shrubs?

Nancy Pelosi felw around in her personal jet to the tune of around 3M a year, with another 300,000 in executive privileges for her friends and family.  How many meals could that money have bought for The Third World?


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Doggett on January 18, 2011, 12:53:53 PM
Andrew hasn't locked this thread ???
 :teddyr:

Hmmm.... Its political and yet it's still running. This might be the longest running politcal thread in badmovies.org history !  :wink:

Keep it clean and keep it civil and it'll all be...groovy...  :smile:


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Flick James on January 18, 2011, 02:03:35 PM
Andrew hasn't locked this thread ???
 :teddyr:

Hmmm.... Its political and yet it's still running. This might be the longest running politcal thread in badmovies.org history !  :wink:

Keep it clean and keep it civil and it'll all be...groovy...  :smile:

I started the thread. I wasn't interested in political observations, as I clearly stated, but I also knew that it was unavoidable. I'm much more interested in the sociological aspects of the Palin Phenomenon. I find it fascinating, amusing, disturbing, all at once. I think because the tone of the thread has gone back and forth between political and sociological it has lasted as long as it has.

Skull and I got into it over the topic of drug prohibition in the "Grind my Gears" thread once that got really bad, far worse than this, and I still can't believe it lasted as long as it did.

I enjoy debating immensely, and I usually gain from the experience unless things turn ugly. I find that people hold onto their beliefs with such ferocity that they will outright deny any evidence contrary to them. I've been guilty of it myself, but I do try not to allow myself to adopt that posture in life or belief, as passionate as I may feel about it. Anybody who is honest with themselves will admit that at some point in the past they had a belief that they have since discovered is wrong or mistaken. That's life. We're human, and therefore subject to fallibility and folly. Yet, somehow, the same person who will admit that they have been wrong in the past somehow is convinced that their current beliefs cannot be wrong, despite having acknowledged their own philosophical mutability.

I find the human condition infinitely interesting and amusing.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on January 19, 2011, 12:22:44 AM
  We're human, and therefore subject to fallibility and folly. Yet, somehow, the same person who will admit that they have been wrong in the past somehow is convinced that their current beliefs cannot be wrong, despite having acknowledged their own philosophical mutability.

Yes, some still see 2 wrongs as making a right. 

This was my point in the misunderstanding some of you had with me over the Wikileaks argument a while back that wound up getting locked.  I was percieved as the enemy before I had chance to get my point across.  I will try again.

"Operation Payback" against Bank Of America was such an example of the quote above, the roundabout way of saying  that 2 wrongs make a right.

Wikileaks and their allies had no regard for the bank's lawful, legal right to deny server access.  They had no respect for the fact that the bank was protecting the privacy and accounts of the little guy, aka you and I.

They percived that the bank was "the enemy" for protecting their clients.  No regard for the fact that they exposed God knows how many accounts to potential identity theft and hijacking as the hackers perused the list of clients and customers of the bank.

You KNOW they helped themselves while they were there.   And when identity theft from this thing does hit, we will be the ones that wind up paying for this, not the governments of the world.

I became angry because I felt that this was a very valid point that was being ignored, and I don't think I was being unreasonable. It's a very valid concern, as other people who have nothing to do with Wikileaks little war have now been compromised.

And if those who support Wikileaks approve of this collateral damage in the name of justice, then I quote Flick James again, when he says that some of us are  "convinced that our current beliefs cannot be wrong, despite having acknowledged their own philosophical mutability." 





Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Barack Clinton on January 19, 2011, 01:13:09 AM
The most phenomenal things about palin are her arrogance, her hypocrisy and stupidity of her drooling masses of followers.

Palin arrogantly says the republicans should be the party of "HELL NO!" when democrats wein an election then claims democrats must bow to republicans when the republicans win an election 2 years later. Arrogance and hypocrisy all at once.

Then she snivels about people blaming her and the violent right rhetoric for a political shooting, yet her kind has blamed everything from 911 to natural disasters to violent video youth crimes on liberals, democrats, gays, lesbians, video games, rap music, etc.

She claimed to serve the people of alaska, then dropped her office as soon as she had a chance to make more money and get a bigger audience. Well, maybe quitting halfway thru her term as governor was a service to the public.

And millions of marching morons adore her.  :lookingup:


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: indianasmith on January 19, 2011, 07:34:05 AM
Hello Barack!  "Drooling Moron" here.

We can see from  your username exactly how unbiased and rational your political perspective is!!  If I may be blunt, we try to keep our political differences respectful and free of personal insults around here.  Your rhetoric is a bit over the line.  Stay around, learn how we do things, and try to contribute more respectfully.  Or vamoose.  But threads that devolve into the kind of political hate speech you are spouting (while criticizing others for doing the same) will get this thread locked in a heartbeat.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Trevor on January 19, 2011, 08:16:52 AM
Hello Barack!  "Drooling Moron" here.

I've known you a long time, Indy: when did you become that?  :question:


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Flick James on January 19, 2011, 12:04:28 PM
Hello Barack!  "Drooling Moron" here.

We can see from  your username exactly how unbiased and rational your political perspective is!!  If I may be blunt, we try to keep our political differences respectful and free of personal insults around here.  Your rhetoric is a bit over the line.  Stay around, learn how we do things, and try to contribute more respectfully.  Or vamoose.  But threads that devolve into the kind of political hate speech you are spouting (while criticizing others for doing the same) will get this thread locked in a heartbeat.

Indy and I often disagree on some of the finer points of our great Western civilization, but on this I could not be in greater agreement.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: indianasmith on January 19, 2011, 06:18:44 PM
Trevor - I was sarcastically referencing "Barack's" characterization of conservatives in general and Palin supporters in particular.  The only time I would truly consider myself a drooling moron would be if Anne Hathaway suddenly walked into the room in a bikini.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Trevor on January 20, 2011, 01:20:12 AM
Trevor - I was sarcastically referencing "Barack's" characterization of conservatives in general and Palin supporters in particular.  The only time I would truly consider myself a drooling moron would be if Anne Hathaway suddenly walked into the room in a bikini.


OK, I see.  :teddyr: Talking about 'see', how about that dress she wore to the Golden Globes? Wow.  

I hate asking people to navigate away from this site but this pic is worth it.  :teddyr:

www.imdb.com/media/rm3985016064/nm0004266 (http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3985016064/nm0004266):hot: :hot:


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: indianasmith on January 20, 2011, 07:15:09 AM
Trevor, I think I love you.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: El Misfit on January 20, 2011, 09:24:55 AM
here's what I say- Give it a shot. She can be good, she can be bad, it's not like EVERY president we had was 100% good (Cough NIXON /Cough), hell, she might even surprise us- who knows?


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: lester1/2jr on January 20, 2011, 10:22:36 AM
One thing she did that I didn't like is around Christmas and Easter last year she issued these hawkish statements on Iran. That's just wrong.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Flick James on January 20, 2011, 11:01:12 AM
Anne Hathaway's hotness is sublime.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: lester1/2jr on January 20, 2011, 11:33:56 AM
She was on CNBC's Greed the other night. She had been engaged to this guy who was a Bernie Madoff type swindler.


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Trevor on January 21, 2011, 01:14:24 AM
Trevor, I think I love you.

 :teddyr: :teddyr: :teddyr: But what would Anne say?  :smile:


Title: Re: The Palin Phenomenon
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on January 21, 2011, 05:27:25 PM
Trevor - I was sarcastically referencing "Barack's" characterization of conservatives in general and Palin supporters in particular.  The only time I would truly consider myself a drooling moron would be if Anne Hathaway suddenly walked into the room in a bikini.

Add one more drooling moron to the room if Anne Hathaway walked into the room in a bikini.  Of course, clothing is optional, thus thetitledrooling moron carries with it upon sight of a woman wearing nothing but a smile.  :teddyr: