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I was wishing Indy a happy birthday and hoping that his arrowheads would always be sharp, when along comes Keeper of the B List and calls me a racist. What the hell for? WTF did I write? I am actually so much so a racist that I have a niece who is a person of colour, a lovely three year old child who was abandoned by her dipsh*t mother and given a second chance in life by my sister and brother in law. I accept and love that child about a million times more than I do myself, so if that makes me a racist, so be it.

I am an African by birth, I grew up in Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) and live in South Africa and am not a racist: I am done with this site if there is any more nonsense like this. Don't call me a racist when you are sitting safely behind your keyboard: face me and then try to say that to my face.  :hatred: :hatred:

Wow, Trevor, PLEASE don't leave this site due to the antisocial behavior of one member.

Unfortunately, calling someone a racist has become the cop-out of a weak mind; very few allegations of racism based on fact or direct action.  I liken it to how on the playground growing up, boys would call each other 'faggot' to get each other's goat.  The mental development is about the same.

But, having read that thread and seen the reply in question, I have GOT to believe at this moment that this is some sort of misunderstanding.  Perhaps B-List thought you meant something by the arrowhead comment?  It's clear to anyone that knows Indy's 'hobby' that this was a high form of compliment, but perhaps it was taken WAY out of context?

I just don't know.

Anyway, Please don't leave, Trevor.  You are a big part of this community, and I think we are all better for knowing you.

I read that post and admit I don't get the 'racist' reaction to the arrowhead comment. Were you implying indianasmith is a Native American who hates Caucasians and likes to shoot 'em with arrows?  :teddyr:

Trevor, you're about the kindest spirit I know. The racist comment was completely uncalled for. I agree with ulthar: we are all better for knowing you.   

Ditto to every response so far. Trevor, there are many members on this site with whom I've gotten into debates, but those same people, indianasmith being one of them, I would gladly share a beer and a bad movie with. And amongst those members, you are at the upper crust. I get called things or have things insinuated about me on this site all the time, which is mainly my fault because I'm confrontational and have a misanthropic streak. But you, sir, are a prince.

I think he might have just been kidding.

Well, I'm all for irreverent humor, so if he was kidding, it may be okay. Can somebody provide a link to the post in question?

I think what we have here is a missunderstanding.

Racist??? YOU????? WTF????? Dont let one moronic comment-(even though it may have been a joke-God knows I dont get it) send you away. If you leave-I leave!

Okay, yeah, I wouldn't have taken that seriously, but still, the post doesn't make any sense, even as a joke.

I wouldn't worry about it, Trev. Did I mention you're a prince among men? Aside from the underpants issue, of course, but still a prince.

Never let someone run you away from a place or group that you enjoy.  There will always be confrontations in life.  Sometimes they are misunderstandings and sometimes they are opposing views or values.  When I encounter one, I first try to understand the other person's position, then act accordingly.

I'm not certain if the racist comment is a joke that came off wrong (which appears to be the case), or if Keeper did not know of Indy's hobby (passion, all-consuming love) of collecting arrowheads and failed to understand why Trevor said what he said.  I'd like to hear back from Keeper before the torches and pitchforks come out.

It was a joke.

I didn't mean anything.

It's a reference to the comedian Jeff Dunham.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend you.

See, I knew that no-one would think you're a racist Trev'.

Very good.  Thanks for taking the time and effort to clear it up.

Man, misunderstandings on forums are so easy; without tone of voice, body language and general "air" of a comment it's just to darn easy to misinterpret what's said.

Thanks again, B-List; I think everyone here wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Precisely. If this was face to face (Or via microphone) I would have made the voice that went with that comment. That joke is funnier with voice.

See? Clarity is a good thing. I think something just got lost in the Internet translation.

Whew!! I'm glad that got straightened out .  Hate to see everyone all riled up over a misinterpretation.

*Slaps self*

Masochist!

 :teddyr:

 All is well in Paradice!  :thumbup:

Uh, has anyone mentioned this to ol' Trev?
Also, I can see his point... 1) no one likes to be called something they find offesnive, and he's a sensitive feller.
2) I was involved with a Zimbabwean/Rhodesian like Trev, and race has some very different frieght where they are from.  
Trevor, call home!
-Ed

He probably just hasn't checked in yet. Trev is a level-headed and whimsical man. I feel confident this will all go down as a momentary misunderstanding. At least I hope so.

Trevor:  I have never thought of you as a racist.  A nudist, yes.  But never a racist.

Everybody's worst nightmare has just come true: I am replying to this.





I don't buy that.

I get that you meant it as a joke, and believe that, but that you had no intention of getting a response...that I don't buy.

The reason is that there is no reference to Jeff Dunham, or any way, shape, or form to suggest to Trevor that it was just a joke.

Yes, it's a mistake...and we regret and learn from them.

The reason why this rubs the wrong way so much is that Trevor is from South Africa and has dealt with racism to a degree many of us may have never seen, and has made a pointed effort to point out things to us where racism has been handed a defeat, in steps, such as the efforts both in the production and showing of the film The Wild Geese which many of us may have not realized without him, and makes me respect the film that much more.

Trevor is one of a few people on this board you definitely do not want to suggest is a racist (me being another one; but I would have not been so polite as to post about it, just found out where you had lived....past tense intentional).

This is much politer than I may have replied in the past. It's not a newer better me, I mean why try to improve upon perfection; I just like to watch people squirm now.

Now that I've had my say, and a little fun...at your expense, welcome to the board (I apologize if I am not remembering your user name) and have fun.  :thumbup:


*Note to the Church Lady: B@stard is in the word filter? That's so girlie.  :tongueout:


**And yes, I have heard the nudist rumor too. :cheers:

Nudists?  :buggedout:
I Like nudism.  :smile:

Jeff Dunham?!?  :buggedout:

Jeff Dunham and nudism should not be mentioned in the same breath!

Depending on who's nude.



I had to Google it too.

Glad to see you back,old boy! :cheers:

Always good to be called old.  :tongueout:

Now if Trevor was a nude racist, then I could see that being a problem  :twirl:

Unless you had a thing for nude racists...might be kinda sexy then! Like a naked Hitler.

(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l79/RCMerchant/article-0-02A75CD6000005DC-519_468x480.jpg)

Well now it's official; I'll never get to sleep after seeing THAT photo.  Nightmares on the way...  :buggedout:

I don't want my eyeballs anymore . . . .  :buggedout:

Me neither! Let's rip our eyeballs out together...ok..1 2 3 GO!

 Who needs an eyeball?!?


(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l79/RCMerchant/untitled-180.jpg)

AHHHHHH!!!!!

Even though it seems like the problem has been solved, more or less, but I still have to wonder about replies that supposed to be quotes.

I have a few friends and know quite a few people who love to bring in quotes during a normal conversation, and then snicker when I didn't "get it" five minutes later. These are either quotes of people I don't know, of movies I may have seen or not, or shows I've never watched ("X-Files") or stopped watching eons ago ("The Simpsons").

As for Jeff Dunham, I never in my life have heard of him even though the wikki page makes him out to be the greatest and most popular comedian ever.

It is an odd phenomena in fandoms to assume that the object of adoration is well-known outside the fandom. Think about it: if I were to type out "OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!", I could expect many, if not most, posters on here to get the reference. If you ask your average person on the street where that's from, they honestly would have no idea.

When you're using quotes, it doesn't hurt to play it on the safe side and using quotation marks, especially if that quote could be taken the wrong way (as seems to have happened here). After all, we don't have the ability to use our voices to imitate how something was said or to indicate that we're being sarcastic/just joking.

I was thinking along those lines myself. Calling a South African a racist, even in jest, is treading on very sensitive ground. People like Trevor have taken a lot of crap from the rest of the world as a result of their country's history and past government policies.

I don't see why you've got so upset.   Personally, I've been called much worse by much more important people. 

Sooo....cookies, anyone?

Most countries do take a lot of stuff from the world as a result of their country's policies, but South Africa has had enough problems to cover the world about 10 times over.

There are black\white issues, as well as inter-tribal stuff like the Hutu-Tutsi conflict of ethnic cleansing,  Ethiopia, and neighbor Somalia is the epicenter of lawlessness in all of Africa,  and the issues in Mogadishu as well.

There are problems all over, but South Africa can speak it's fair share of volumes regarding true racial\ethic strife.  In a lot of ways, other issues pale in comparison compared to theirs.

This thread had really advanced, far further than I thought it would. I'm surprised I have yet to see a single post from Trevor. I am very interested in what he has to say.

Trevor, I sincerely hope you are not leaving us.

Well, he's at least read the forum today, and posted in other threads (http://www.badmovies.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3559;sa=showPosts) since this one started, so hopefully he's sticking around. 

I think he has to stick around.  We are the only forum on the Internet that does not censor his underpants.

We don't censor them, but we are a little horrified by them. Just a little.

Ewww... Don't make me think about that.

Also don't quote anything with that Hitler image. That's just f**king gross. >_<

Extreme Irony:

I post the most offensive thing I've ever thought up (accidentally) and now I have more Karma than ever because of it (For apologizing). I didn't get a single "boo" for what I said. That's really funny ain't it? My biggest fear is being #1 on the most smited users. I feel like I made a brush with danger. I'd just like to thank everyone for not smiting me. Also once again,

I AM VERY SORRY

I was seriously considering leaving up until yesterday evening.

I thought that KoTBL saw my picture and read South African underneath it, leading him to the conclusion: white guy + South African = racist and holder of the keys to apartheid. The only keys I have are my car, office and flat keys.


Thanks for that.

Thanks, FJ, for that. Getting angry is not good for me and I have been in an almost constant rage since I read KoTBL's moronic comment.

You did exactly that by making a moronic comment like that to a person from Africa: if I was a racist, I wouldn't want to live in Africa, much less have a family member who is a person of color. I do not care if your comment was taken from somewhere else: it was directed at me and that is inexcusable because I never wrote anything or said anything to warrant such a comment.

This is my last word on this subject and I will not be on for a while so that I can cool off.

I didn't see the 'South African' thing, I never thought you a racist and the original joke was a little bad.

Whatever. The problem has been resolved. We can go back to talking about... Whatever it is we talk about.

I pronounce this issue dead. Take your nude Hitler elsewhere.

Obviously you either didn't read my reply, or just didn't get it.

The original joke wasn't a little bad, it was plainly stupid. Trying to lighten the impact, like it wasn't that much, only adds to the insult.


Whatever?  That's a comment people make about something they don't give a damn about.

The problem has been resolved/I pronounce this issue dead?  That's not your place; you weren't the recipient of a stinging insult that neither you nor Chainsaw Midget get the impact of.


Your wrap-up is again along the same lines as the original insult.

I'm trying to give you credit here. I don't think you intended insult or harm; I hope you didn't. I think it's a problem of saying the first thing that comes to mind without considering it's impact. Of course you can't consider every word you say or type, but typing is a luxury as we do have the ability to take something back before we say it; you may want to exercise that luxury, and add a little prudence while you are at it.

Another thing is different circles, different worlds. The advantage some of us have is that we have been here for years and had a virtual cross-cultural experience, but some of that experience has been gained from saying stupid things; so you're not the only one who has said something stupid or will you be the last.

The one thing that you can do though is not try to lighten the impact of your mistake like it meant nothing, or add to it. Consider your words.

I hope you enjoy the forum and have a good time here; but do keep in mind that if it's between you and Trevor, I'll sacrifice you in an instant and make it where you would never want to come back here. That's being honest; not something I want to do.

I really hope you get it.

Menard can be dark at times.

Is that a racist remark???   :buggedout:
 
( :wink:)

I want to make a joke but see how this thread got outta control...

I'm not gonna even attempt.  :wink:

That's real white of ya.   
:teddyr:

I doubt anything else can be added to this thread, shall we close it now gents?

I think that should be Trevor's call.

I'd give you karma for that if I could. 

To quote Trev above...

You're right; he said he was going to be away for a while and cool off...and when he comes back he can make the call to close the thread. I think his coming back to find a thread he started about something very personal to him to have been closed...could be taken as a slap in the face; though I know the intent is anything but that.


My recommendation: Let's just for now lay off posting in the thread until Trevor returns. If anybody needs any extra incentive not to post in this thread...I'll take it personally if they do.

Very much agreed.  Lets hope he's doing well.  I PM'd him the other day and haven't heard back. 

I would like to sincerely apologize for all the nonsense I have caused by what I have posted in this thread and would like to request two things: that the thread be locked and that the thirty day ban be applied to my account.

I have no wish to cause any further hassles here.

I'll lock the thread, but banning you at all never came to mind.  Knowing you, I do not think that serves any purpose, and wouldn't know why I was doing it in the first place.