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Title: Tron Legacy
Post by: Jim H on December 17, 2010, 07:47:44 PM
Yeah, I went to a midnight screening of Tron Legacy. 

Basically, it was pretty meh.  The new lead character is OK.  Not great, not bad.  I'd compare him to any lead character played by Shia.  OK, but not great.  The visuals are good.  I watched Tron for the first time in at least 15 years the day before I saw the new one, so I can say fairly safely I like the visuals more in the original.  It's a more unique look, with the combination of hand-drawn animation (all the color in the live action shots is drawn on black and white live footage), traditional matte elements, and very primitive CG.  The new one isn't bad or anything though - again, the costume designs are very good, and it looks decent enough. 

That may be surprising, that I like the look of the original better, but what's far more surprising is the original is a better written film.   I say this as I feel the original Tron has a fairly lackluster script, with some fairly poorly explained elements, characters that appear far too late in the film (Yori), and so forth.  But what it didn't do was overstay its welcome by half an hour and try to introduce too many ideas as this one does.  Eysos (I have no idea on the spelling) are entirely pointless, for one example.  There are also a number of pretty lame lines - Jeff Bridges acts like the Dude a lot, and other times like a Zen master.  It's odd and feels inappropriate.  The lead guy has a lot of throwaway lines that feel like bits to cut to fit into a trailer. 

Acting is OK.  Bridges does good work with not so good material.  Olivia Wilde was actually pretty solid in a pretty limited role.  A lot better than some other young female actresses who are put into movies as eye candy (Megan Fox, for example). 

Oh, and if you're wondering, the title character does return in this one. 

Overall, it's passably entertaining I guess.  But pretty forgettable.  6/10.

The original Tron is a 7/10 from me, for what that is worth.


Title: Re: Tron Legacy
Post by: InformationGeek on December 17, 2010, 09:10:19 PM
Yeah, I went to a midnight screening of Tron Legacy. 

Basically, it was pretty meh.  The new lead character is OK.  Not great, not bad.  I'd compare him to any lead character played by Shia.  OK, but not great.  The visuals are good.  I watched Tron for the first time in at least 15 years the day before I saw the new one, so I can say fairly safely I like the visuals more in the original.  It's a more unique look, with the combination of hand-drawn animation (all the color in the live action shots is drawn on black and white live footage), traditional matte elements, and very primitive CG.  The new one isn't bad or anything though - again, the costume designs are very good, and it looks decent enough. 

That may be surprising, that I like the look of the original better, but what's far more surprising is the original is a better written film.   I say this as I feel the original Tron has a fairly lackluster script, with some fairly poorly explained elements, characters that appear far too late in the film (Yori), and so forth.  But what it didn't do was overstay its welcome by half an hour and try to introduce too many ideas as this one does.  Eysos (I have no idea on the spelling) are entirely pointless, for one example.  There are also a number of pretty lame lines - Jeff Bridges acts like the Dude a lot, and other times like a Zen master.  It's odd and feels inappropriate.  The lead guy has a lot of throwaway lines that feel like bits to cut to fit into a trailer. 

Acting is OK.  Bridges does good work with not so good material.  Olivia Wilde was actually pretty solid in a pretty limited role.  A lot better than some other young female actresses who are put into movies as eye candy (Megan Fox, for example). 

Oh, and if you're wondering, the title character does return in this one. 

Overall, it's passably entertaining I guess.  But pretty forgettable.  6/10.

The original Tron is a 7/10 from me, for what that is worth.

Hmm... how was the soundtrack?  I heard Daft Punk was doing it and I am a fan of them.  I'm quite curious to hear if it was good or not.


Title: Re: Tron Legacy
Post by: Jim H on December 17, 2010, 09:30:02 PM
Some of it was pretty good, but actually I didn't really notice it much.  Some of it reminded me of Mass Effect's score for some reason.


Title: Re: Tron Legacy
Post by: dean on December 19, 2010, 08:42:38 AM

I saw this at imax, and quite enjoyed it, but as Jim says, there were a few elements that weren't great or that have a point.

The ISOs were a clear example: I kind of like where they may go with it, but wish they used their role a bit more.  As it is the gravity of wiping out an entire 'race' was a fair side note when it could have been much more interesting.

Completely agree with 'The Dude' coming on too strong in Bridge's performance, though the crowd seemed to love it.

I enjoyed the visuals, and wish there was more action, as it got a little too 'talky' but it wasn't as bad as some of the reviews I read made it out to be.  The 3D elements when they were there, were really good, but used far too sparsely to really have them there at all: if there was one film out this year to really kick 3D butt, it should have been this one, but they kind of dropped the ball.  That being said, the start and end titles had some fun 3D.

The soundtrack was great, I actually bought it the week before and was listening to it quite a bit.  Wish there was more of the traditional Daft Punk style: there is no 'Around the world' classics here, but they did a pretty good job.  They also had a cameo [of course].

Overall its a solid 2.5/5 film pumped up to a 3 if you're a sci-fi buff and like the effects/soundtrack.  Certainly not a bad one to watch but not exactly what would be a necessary-to-view at cinemas. 


Title: Re: Tron Legacy
Post by: hedgie on December 19, 2010, 01:23:08 PM
I saw this on an Imax screen too, and the 3d was amazing.  So was the score, and the art design/effects were great too, they were true to the original film but updated accordingly with the quantam leaps in technology.  The script, while a little cheesy, was better than I expected, and it actually made a little bit more sense than the original.  I admit, it did go on a little too long, but when you've paid $15.50 each for 2 tickets, that is a good thing. 4.5/5

btw,  the dude abides...


Title: Re: Tron Legacy
Post by: Flick James on December 20, 2010, 01:43:58 PM
Hehe. Jeff Bridges IS The Dude. The Dude permeates his entire being. So much so that I think it will forever bleed into everything he does. That's okay with me.

I have a feeling I'll see The Dude in The Coen Brothers' True Grit as well.


Title: Re: Tron Legacy
Post by: El Misfit on December 20, 2010, 11:07:48 PM
(http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/zB-8UdUHDCI/0.jpg)
yup, some company made 5 light cycles, each one a colour of the accents used in the movie. :tongueout:


Title: Re: Tron Legacy
Post by: Jack on December 21, 2010, 08:06:13 AM
Didn't really have any hope for this one.  Think I'll just watch the first one again instead.


Title: Re: Tron Legacy
Post by: Hammock Rider on December 21, 2010, 09:47:27 AM
I think the creators of the original Tron  were trying to just make a fun, exciting sci-fi film. You really can't plan to catch lightning in a bottle so it's not surprising that any sequal doesn't do that. This one has Jeff Bridges, Olivia Wilde as eye candy and some cool FX.  That sounds like a decent enough time to me.


Title: Re: Tron Legacy
Post by: Jim H on December 21, 2010, 06:46:17 PM
I think the creators of the original Tron  were trying to just make a fun, exciting sci-fi film. You really can't plan to catch lightning in a bottle so it's not surprising that any sequal doesn't do that. This one has Jeff Bridges, Olivia Wilde as eye candy and some cool FX.  That sounds like a decent enough time to me.

A big thing is they really tried to push technology with it, in a way no other film except maybe King Kong can compare.  I mean, they have like 15-20 minutes of ALL CG FOOTAGE in 1982.  It's pretty remarkable when you think about the state of computers back then - the computer they were using had 2 megabytes of memory, and 330 megs of storage.  My current computer has 8 gigabytes, or over EIGHT THOUSAND megs of memory, and my total storage is something like 3,000,000 megs of storage.  They didn't even have any way of meshing the CG bits with live action, so they had to use careful editing (very well done I might add).  Tron's a pretty amazing technical accomplishment in a lot of ways.  Tron: Legacy is well-done, but it's basically par for the course these days.


Title: Re: Tron Legacy
Post by: InformationGeek on December 26, 2010, 08:00:41 PM
Saw the film the other day and I thought it was good.

Positives first: I thought all the techincal aspects of it were fantastic.  Good atmosphere, great visual design, excellent CGI, set design impressive, lighting well done, and all that jazz.  Soundtrack was awesome and I'm probably thinking of finding that soundtrack to buy.  The relationship between father and son was well done and very believable, the relationship between the son and female program didn't feel forced or tacked on either, and I liked that villian had a bit of dimension to him.  Action was great though, if a bit short in some parts, and the lightcycling stuff was probably the best.

Negatives: The acting was good, but there were a couple of points of that took out of the experience.  One of the actors was hamming it up way too much and it felt out of place.  Heck, he ruin the fight scene in the club when the camera kept cutting back to him.  Some other moments from other characters felt a bit too stiff or a bit cheesy as well.  The story didn't impressive me that much since I was able to call a few plot points a bit in advance.  Didn't ruin the movie, but still.

Overall, I say 3 out of 5 for everyone and a 4 out of 5 for me since I'm able to look past a few of the negatives, even if they were a bother.  Probably helped that I never seen the original film and never bought at all into the hype.  Barely even knew this film was coming out until a month before.


Title: Re: Tron Legacy
Post by: indianasmith on December 26, 2010, 10:12:08 PM
Went to see it with my wife and daughter on Christmas Eve; we all really enjoyed it.  To be honest, it's been so long since I've seen the first one I had pretty well forgotten it anyway.


Title: Re: Tron Legacy
Post by: 100Nights on January 01, 2011, 02:35:18 PM
How was Clu's plan suppose to work? In the first film they established that whatever the laser struck it held the matter in the beam.
For Clu to bring his army out they would all have to be made out of matter already in the machine, which was enough for 2 people.

The pace of this film really dragged for me. The only scene that seemed even a little lively was the completely unnecessary bar scene.
Where Zuse gives Sheogorath a run for his money. Even the chase scenes, I felt lacked any sort of excitement and tension.

I also feel like this film makes takes too many elements from previous and better films, like Star Wars (especially A New Hope), The Matrix, and even The Big Lebowski.

Honestly wasn't super impressed either with the plot or the 3D. The 2D scenes were clear enough but there were some 3D scenes that just seemed really flat to me.
Also can a movie end these days without having a sequel hook in it?


Title: Re: Tron Legacy
Post by: InformationGeek on January 01, 2011, 04:43:36 PM
Also can a movie end these days without having a sequel hook in it?

There was a sequel hook?  I didn't notice.


Title: Re: Tron Legacy
Post by: akiratubo on January 01, 2011, 08:40:24 PM
I thought this movie was GREAT!  It focused on just a few characters and those characters were good characters played by good actors.  The villains were competent.  The movie took itself seriously - no relentless "comedy" like, for example, the recent Transformers atrocities movies.  Actually, Tron Legacy is really quite a sad movie.  The plot was simple and straightforward.  The camera work was such that *GASP* you could tell what was going on during the action scenes!!!  It was wonderful to see Jeff Bridges and, somewhat surprisingly, Bruce Boxleitner in their old roles, plus their de-aged versions.  I loved the visual aesthetic of the movie.

Oh, and the biggest merit this movie has?  It's an honest-to-goodness sequel, not a "re-imagining".

I do have a few complaints.  The music gets repetitive after awhile.  The scenes on the train drug on for too long.  It didn't feel like Kevin Flynn did enough.  I wanted to see him go into battle, not just use his "user power" to affect the environment (though him giving the good guys extra power just by showing up during the nightclub fight was kind of cool).

*spoiler alert*












When Tron turned back to blue just before he died, I almost cried.  That made the movie for me.


Title: Re: Tron Legacy
Post by: Killer Bees on January 02, 2011, 07:11:40 AM
I saw this one just the other day.  I enjoyed it although my partner found it quite "meh" as well.  I thought the sfx were awesome, especially how the characters crumbled into tinkling bits when they got killed.

I think I saw the original all those years ago but I don't really remember, so this movie was a whole new ball game for me.  I saw it in 3D and was disappointed that it wasn't that great.  I've seen a few movies in 3D in the last 12 months and they've all "popped" but this one didn't.  I actually struggled to find the 3D scenes.

Overall it was good and kept me entertained, but not great and thought it could have benefitted from being a little shorter.  I doubt that I will buy it when it comes available, unless it's super cheap ($10 or under).

I give it 3 out of 5.


Title: Re: Tron Legacy
Post by: venomx on January 02, 2011, 02:32:41 PM
I've finally seen it! I was really lucky I got to go to Tropicana's IMAX 3D in Atlantic City.

After all this time waiting... reading bad reveiws about the story. I was blown away! I loved it! The 3D FX were some of the best I have ever seen. Ever. I even jumped a few times.

I enjoyed the story about the ISOs. The whole Zen thing was pretty damn cool too. I didn't like Castor though he acted like a human the whole time not very program like, too much humor and too sassy.

I can't really get into Tron "himself" because I dont want to mess the movie up for who ever didn't see it yet. But I really enjoyed seeing "TRON". wink.

If you see this in IMAX 3D you WILL be blown away. The soundtrack by Daft Punk was amazing!

I'm getting this went it comes out on DVD and watching it again and again and again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFXYuw96d0c


Title: Re: Tron Legacy
Post by: Zapranoth on January 05, 2011, 01:58:34 AM
The writing was behind the FX, just like in the first.
I was a bit disappointed, I'd say, in that the plot was not well worked out.

FX and fights were great.
The dude playing Zeus was pretty entertainingly weird.

I loved Daft Punk's cameo.  I particularly liked that they didn't have to dress up, and they fit right in.
Soundtrack, excellent.  Visuals, very good.

But... eh...  didn't live up to my hope, so hafta give 2.5 of 4.


Title: Re: Tron Legacy
Post by: moviegoersclub on January 06, 2011, 02:12:44 AM
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Title: Re: Tron Legacy
Post by: 100Nights on January 10, 2011, 12:24:13 AM
Also can a movie end these days without having a sequel hook in it?

There was a sequel hook?  I didn't notice.

The son puts the city on that thumb drive, has Quorra in tow, and Tron was seen turning blue in the sea of simulation.
That is enough unresolved plot threads for me to call it a sequel hook.
I also suspect that they are going to make Jeff Bridges survive somehow, I just don't see how they can do a sequel without him, even if he is a "ghost" or whatever the cyber equivalent would be.


Title: Re: Tron Legacy
Post by: Doggett on May 03, 2011, 10:32:37 AM
I'd give it a 3.5

I think I liked it more than the first. Even if you're not paying attention to the plot - which even though I've just finished watching it, I still can't remember what it was - you can still enjoy the cool trancy feel of it all.
I guess, thats whats important in a way. No one watches Tron for a heart warming, family tear jerker.

I'd happily watch it again.


Title: Re: Tron Legacy
Post by: AndyC on May 03, 2011, 01:29:54 PM
How was Clu's plan suppose to work? In the first film they established that whatever the laser struck it held the matter in the beam.
For Clu to bring his army out they would all have to be made out of matter already in the machine, which was enough for 2 people.

I wasn't really concerned about where the matter would come from, but I did wonder how that laser in the basement was going to construct an entire ship full of troops and equipment. I can accept that the digital world functions as some sort of other dimension, with beings able to travel both ways, but it might have helped if CLU were given an obvious means to open a doorway and march his army through. And I had to wonder how their vehicles and weapons were going to function out in the real world.

One way to look at it is that CLU really didn't understand how things functioned outside of his world. Maybe things like matter and physics were too far outside his experience, and his invasion was doomed from the start. It would even fit with the character, a rigid thinker who lacks certain insights and seems incapable of recognizing his own limitations. Mind you, if that were the case, you'd think it might have occurred to Flynn.

That actually could have worked. If the writers had thought about it, the Flynns could just as easily have been out to stop CLU from an act of foolishness that would damage the laser and trap them permanently, or maybe crash the computer and kill them all. That would fit nicely with the idea of everyday computer functions being events of great significance for the world inside the machine. Making CLU a real physical threat to our world seems like a cool idea in some ways, but I think it was a mistake. I like thinking of the digital world as a vast but tiny place where little things in our world can have huge consequences.

Even ignoring the problems of an artificial intelligence manifesting itself as a living human body that never existed before, I can't shake the thought that if CLU's army did manage to come through, they'd just be a bunch of guys who were either unarmed (and possibly naked), or carrying weapons that don't work outside of a digital world. And the invasion force is not really that large when you think about it. Certainly not large enough for world domination, even if their technology somehow worked.

Apart from that, I really enjoyed the movie. Maybe the story could be a little more focused and some of the hows and whys could be better addressed, but it was fun.

I do wish they'd done a little bit more with the Tron character though. I liked the idea of him being presumed dead but really turned into a masked henchman by CLU, and it was nice to have him remember who he was and help out at the end, but for that kind of a story, he really needed to be more of a complete character. I don't know. Maybe he was written in at the last minute. Maybe he's just there to tease us, and he'll be back in a sequel. But I can't help feeling like they just didn't want to fork out the dough for more than a couple of CGI shots of young Bruce Boxleitner.

And I thought everything at Encom seemed kind of glossed over. The original Tron had more going on there. It had the digital world ruled by the tyrannical MCP, which had its own plans for world domination through controlling computers, but Tron also had a villain on the outside, and objectives to be achieved there. Dillinger and the MCP are breaking into other computers and stealing software and data. Dillinger got where he is by plagiarizing Flynn's work, and Flynn needs the evidence. And there was the whole parallel between excessive network security at Encom and the police state inside the computer - an idea that would resonate even more today. Sure, Tron Legacy has the story of Sam finding a direction for his life and deciding he wants to run the company, but there's seemingly nothing at stake there. The company's his if he wants it. I mean, they establish that Flynn's vision is history, Alan isn't taken seriously, the son of Ed Dillinger is a rising star in the company, and the board are great admirers of the former CEO and real-world villain of the original movie (even after he presumably went to prison amid a giant scandal). The movie hastily establishes all this as background, and we never hear of it again. All Sam needs to do is want to run the company, and all that goes away because he owns a controlling interest. I found that more far-fetched than anything else. Mind you, this is a company whose other shareholders don't sue his ass when he deliberately sabotages its efforts to make money.

Again, maybe we'll see a battle for control of Encom and some rivalry between Sam and Dillinger Jr. in a sequel, or maybe not. There are some ideas introduced that might make for an interesting sequel. It would be nice to get David Warner back as both Dillinger and a digital counterpart. A newer and more refined Sark program perhaps. Warner's about 70, not too old to reprise the role, especially with some CGI youthanizing. Hmmm, don't think that term will catch on. :teddyr: Wonder what they do call it.


Title: Re: Tron Legacy
Post by: RD on May 03, 2011, 02:23:28 PM
I didn't grow up with nostalgia for tron, once I finally saw it I thought it was cheesy but fun. I saw this one in theaters and it bored me to tears. Just talk and talk and talk about what computer can do... :hatred:  More motorcyle races please.


Title: Re: Tron Legacy
Post by: Robocop on May 05, 2011, 12:21:40 AM
Haven't seen Tron Legacy and only saw the original a couple of months ago, so unlike some I'm not blinded by nostalgic with my assessment on the film.

It was definitely a visual landmark that artistically could only be achieved with the help of CG, and even though the FX don't hold up to well, it set the industry forward some which I acknowledge. Wasn't too fussed about the story, the acting, the dialog or the pacing, the direction was a bit sloppy as well, but its not a bad film, and I'll certainly get along to watching the sequel. 


Title: Re: Tron Legacy
Post by: JPickettIII on October 16, 2011, 09:38:54 AM
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yup, some company made 5 light cycles, each one a colour of the accents used in the movie. :tongueout:


Who is the dork in the picture trying to throw signs?  LOLOMGWAD.

I saw the movie last night.  I liked it a lot.  The end part was a little sad but great movie story and affects.  The story premise has been used before.  WWII anyone body?  X-Men anyone?  I would recommend a watching to anyone who has or has not seen the first Tron.

I like how they had Flynn and Flynn's friend (forgot the name) in the movie an then had the son of Dilenger.  The use of Cloo again.  I like how Disney used "That is a big door!" again.  That was funny.

I woul give a 4.75 out of 5.

Later,

John

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0ypIhXCvm8


Title: Re: Tron Legacy
Post by: The Burgomaster on October 17, 2011, 09:04:20 AM
This was the first 3-D blu-ray I bought.  I had little idea what was going on through most of it.



Title: Re: Tron Legacy
Post by: FatFreddysCat on October 17, 2011, 09:23:47 AM
I saw this  couple of weeks ago. I enjoyed it but I agree that the visuals in the original were weirder/cooler. Of course, the original's unique "look" had a lot to do with the technical limitations of the time.

Olivia Wilde looked great in one a' them skintight neon body suit thingies.  :teddyr:

I thought Daft Punk's soundtrack was one of the highlights and I'm not even into that particular genre (electro/pop or whatever you want to call it). The music managed to sound both "retro" and futuristic at the same time, which is a nice trick.


Title: Re: Tron Legacy
Post by: Ed, Ego and Superego on October 17, 2011, 01:10:18 PM
Saw it on an airplace to Norway a while back.  Nice bit of brain candy, NOT a classic. But a pleasant mainstream film.  I'm a TRON fan from way back.
-Ed


Title: Re: Tron Legacy
Post by: Jack on October 17, 2011, 04:08:22 PM
Watched it last night and I really liked it.  I loved the world they created, especially the games.  Seems like they put a fair bit of thought into bringing the whole "grid" into the 21st century.  I thought the characters were good - not the main guy so much, but Jeff Bridges and Olivia Wilde were both fantastic.  Bruce Boxleitner did a nice job with his character as well.  I understood the plot, didn't really have much trouble with that.  Loved it when Separate Ways by Journey started playing when Flynn went into the arcade   :thumbup:  4.25/5.