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Title: Egypt is falling
Post by: lester1/2jr on January 28, 2011, 10:32:43 AM
balls to the wall. Suez and Alexandria totally overtaken by potesters. Cairo, the main city, in chaos. live shots being fired on tv.


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Doggett on January 28, 2011, 10:52:50 AM
Its all over the telly, but it isn't as intense as the Tunisia protests.


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: lester1/2jr on January 28, 2011, 10:53:49 AM
it is and is going to be alot more complicated than that.


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Couchtr26 on January 28, 2011, 10:58:57 AM
Yes, there is some trouble for the US.  If I'm not mistaken the US was allied with their current leader and it wouldn't look good for us with whatever new group takes command.  In addition, Egypt holds quite a bit of media and clout in the Arab world, (I believe that is correct).  Even if the protesters are defeated, it will not end well for many and create a new diplomatic thorn in many sides. 


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: lester1/2jr on January 28, 2011, 11:31:00 AM
I'm happy for them. could care less about the US's position in all of it.


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Couchtr26 on January 28, 2011, 11:32:52 AM
I understand your point but it does create implications that will be far reaching.   


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Rev. Powell on January 28, 2011, 12:16:24 PM
Interesting.  Egypt is a much bigger fish than Tunisia---if I had to bet, I would guess these riots end up more like the ones in Iran.  The one thing that gives the revolution some hope is that Mubarak is getting old and doesn't seem to have overwhelming support from within his own government.  Still, it always seems like the biggest possibility is another strongman comes to power who promises reform at first and then slips into old despotic habits as his power grows.


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: lester1/2jr on January 28, 2011, 12:21:00 PM
couh - I hear ye

http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/

lol Hillary. she's like do I have to say something?


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: lester1/2jr on January 28, 2011, 04:19:17 PM
momentum has kept up. I'm pretty cynical but it's hard to see how things could go back to normal in many respects now.



Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Couchtr26 on January 28, 2011, 06:08:48 PM
It is seeming like he will have no choice but to step down at some point.  He would create far too much resentment to allow any kind of major police action. 


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: lester1/2jr on January 28, 2011, 06:16:16 PM
he has no authority now. the people are out in the streets in violation of a curfew he ordered.


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Couchtr26 on January 28, 2011, 06:28:12 PM
Yeah, I'm catching up slowly on a little break here at work.  As I thought, he will have to step down.  He has no ability to control.  What remains of police forces, etc. will quickly join the rebels in short order.  Few will continue to fight against a hopeless tide in my eyes. 


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: indianasmith on January 28, 2011, 06:40:00 PM
Latest news is that Mubarak has dismissed his entire government and is going to replace them - I doubt that will stem the tide.  There seem to be two factions vying for control at the moment - the token leader of the resistance is a moderate reformer, but the vile terrorist group the Muslim Brotherhood wields a lot of power on the streets and seems to be pulling some strings.  The last thing we need is another Middle Eastern country taken over by Islamist radicals.  Once more, I see, Lester seems to care less about America's interests.  What a surprise.  If a general Mideastern war breaks out, I wonder which side he will cheer for?


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Couchtr26 on January 28, 2011, 06:41:20 PM
Muslim Brotherhood

Last time I checked they were more trying to get a part of it and not doing so well as they were seen as reacting rather being in on the beginning. 


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: lester1/2jr on January 28, 2011, 07:05:34 PM
indiana- my interest is that the egyptian people not live under oppresion. our governments is that they continue to. So the less said about the latter the better I think.

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If a general Mideastern war breaks out, I wonder which side he will cheer for?

the side of self determination and liberty. mainly the side of us not giving them 2 billion a year and cover for them to oppress their people.

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The last thing we need is another Middle Eastern country taken over by Islamist radicals.

I can't believe what a jerk I am for cheering on the people of Egypt as they get rid of a dictator they've had for 30 years! I am so heartless.


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: JaseSF on January 28, 2011, 07:43:54 PM
Vive la revolution!! :thumbup: The stables of life are too expensive and there's too much corruption and unfairness at the top. Why let dictactors and outright criminal leaders rule??


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: indianasmith on January 28, 2011, 09:46:07 PM
If you prefer to see the land of the Pyramids become another Somalia more power to ya.  I am in favor of peace and stability, which in the long run is of greater benefit to the people as a whole than letting a bunch of Taliban-style fanatics take over and plunge the country into a new Dark Age while plotting the overthrow of civilization.


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: lester1/2jr on January 29, 2011, 11:15:27 AM
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I am in favor of peace and stability

?? I'm a little baffled by your response to what appears to most people to be very good news.

At any rate, theres no alternative. What would you have us do, send in US troops to defend the Mubarak regime? That's not remotely feasible.


Just think:  if we hadn't invaded Iraq this probably would be happening there now too. and like a million people would still be alive and we probably wouldn't be in a recession and and...

too depressing to contemplate.


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Doggett on January 29, 2011, 11:33:37 AM
The title of this thread is a little dramatic.
Kinda makes it sound like its being wiped of the map by martians.


Its just having bit of a revolution, thats all. Many countries have had them.  :smile:


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: lester1/2jr on January 29, 2011, 11:54:56 AM
it was done in the heat of the moment. It was all I could come up with


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on January 29, 2011, 11:58:15 AM
If you prefer to see the land of the Pyramids become another Somalia more power to ya.  I am in favor of peace and stability, which in the long run is of greater benefit to the people as a whole than letting a bunch of Taliban-style fanatics take over and plunge the country into a new Dark Age while plotting the overthrow of civilization.

Unfortunately, this is the problem with freedom-we can't trust others to do 'the right thing" when it's not our call.   So some see this as "a good move" and all that?

I'd like to see the same people say that when American and European tourists (or tourists in general) start to disappear, only to be found dead and thrown into a ditch, or worse, beheaded?  Will it be such a good thing then?

Regardless of what where we see this thing going, it one of those wait-and-see situations that has to play out. That said, regardless of any variables, there's always that set of things you can see coming a mile away no matter what happens. It's the S.O.S.


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Couchtr26 on January 29, 2011, 12:49:18 PM
I'd like to see the same people say that when American and European tourists (or tourists in general) start to disappear, only to be found dead and thrown into a ditch, or worse, beheaded?  Will it be such a good thing then?

That is a concern.  What I am more worried about at the moment is how quickly stability will be restored.  No matter what there will be an interim period that hopefully won't last long but where no one will be sure of what is going on at the moment.  It is how most things occur.  I wonder what side will prevail.  I hope a pro-human rights group that will work towards this end.  However, there is worry a group will act righteous that comes to power and then turns over time into more of the same they have seen. 


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: JaseSF on January 29, 2011, 03:53:16 PM
Some might argue something drastic is needed closer to home especially in the wake of outright criminal actions taken by some thieving corporate heads and their followers....not so very long ago...


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: indianasmith on January 29, 2011, 06:44:27 PM
Some might be murderers, too! :teddyr:

Seriously, no, I don't see that the U.S. needs to try and prop up a regime that is rapidly crumbling - at the same time, many said that Khoumeini would be a moderate and stabilizing influence in Iran, and instead what we have is the Number One world sponsor of Islamic terrorism working towards a nuclear weapon.  So maybe we don't need to rush to embrace the revolutionaries either.

From what I hear, right now, in Egypt, the mobs are burning churches and murdering every Christian they can find.  I have a former student over there studying Egyptology at the University of Cairo. I am terrified for her.  She is a white, blond, Christian female in a country whose people are hostile to ALL those demographic groups!   I am in favor or whatever faction will keep the fanatics from killing every Westerner or Christian that  they can lay their hands on.

Incidentally, if Lester chimes in with his usual "blame America because the U.S. has no business having any presence in the Middle East whatsoever", let me say that the Christians being murdered now are Egyptian Coptics, whose church existed for centuries before Muhammad was ever born.


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Jim H on January 29, 2011, 09:09:13 PM
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From what I hear, right now, in Egypt, the mobs are burning churches and murdering every Christian they can find.


Where'd you hear this?  All the violence reports I've read are much more generalized mob violence.

I'm aware of the long history of violence against Coptic Christians in Egypt, so it wouldn't surprise me - just haven't read anything about it yet as it relates to this mob violence.  On that note, here's a happier story.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gGiADb4YzqsC_nlgj5gkFPvXl7RA?docId=3944f4eda7c64f4c9449a7c017d6e281 (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gGiADb4YzqsC_nlgj5gkFPvXl7RA?docId=3944f4eda7c64f4c9449a7c017d6e281)
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Before the army arrived, young Egyptians some armed with truncheons grabbed off the police created a human chain at the museum's front gate to prevent looters from making off with any of its priceless artifacts.


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: indianasmith on January 30, 2011, 12:09:07 AM
Hooray for those brave and decent people who united to save national treasures!  It still grieves me to read that two royal mummies were destroyed and several of the treasure's from Tut's tomb are damaged.  WHAT ARE THOSE IDIOTS THINKING?  Are they gonna sell it at at flea market? :hatred: 

(&^%*(&^$%*&#!! barbarians!! :hot: :hot: :hot:


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on January 30, 2011, 12:10:33 AM
Some might be murderers, too! :teddyr:

Incidentally, if Lester chimes in with his usual "blame America because the U.S. has no business having any presence in the Middle East whatsoever", let me say that the Christians being murdered now are Egyptian Coptics, whose church existed for centuries before Muhammad was ever born.

That's the problem-noone seems to recognize that Christianity isn't just "a White thing."  

There are not only the Egyptian Coptics, but Christian groups in Iran and other places who fear for their lives because they won't recognize Islam.  Any Christian of any race or color is equally at risk as this thing continues to spread.  And if Egyptian Muslims (or any Muslims) are denying their own people the right to worship as they see fit, then they too are just as bad as the ones they're pointing fingers at in the post Crusades\9-11 world.







Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on January 30, 2011, 12:16:02 AM
Hooray for those brave and decent people who united to save national treasures!  It still grieves me to read that two royal mummies were destroyed and several of the treasure's from Tut's tomb are damaged.  WHAT ARE THOSE IDIOTS THINKING?  Are they gonna sell it at at flea market? :hatred: 

(&^%*(&^$%*&#!! barbarians!! :hot: :hot: :hot:

It's always funny, isn't it?  Things like this almost always involve rioting. It shows me (imho anyhow) that there are those who just want something for themselves and don't care about what's going on. It's all about what they can get and nothing else.

You would think that these people who want "democracy and justice" and all that would take pride in their country's history and the artifacts that date or pre-date it. 

And indeed, hats off to the ones who bravely stood and defended their country's history and treasures.  I couldn't agree more!  :cheers:



Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: JaseSF on January 30, 2011, 12:17:24 AM
It is worrying that the country might well fall into worse hands than it had before. Hopefully it doesn't but it's certainly plausible it very well could. I think many thought the last presidential election would have brought more widespread change in the U.S. (I really don't think taxpayers should be bailing out large corporations).


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on January 30, 2011, 12:24:33 AM
I'd like to see the same people say that when American and European tourists (or tourists in general) start to disappear, only to be found dead and thrown into a ditch, or worse, beheaded?  Will it be such a good thing then?

That is a concern.  What I am more worried about at the moment is how quickly stability will be restored.  No matter what there will be an interim period that hopefully won't last long but where no one will be sure of what is going on at the moment.  It is how most things occur.  I wonder what side will prevail.  I hope a pro-human rights group that will work towards this end.  However, there is worry a group will act righteous that comes to power and then turns over time into more of the same they have seen. 

Well, far as I can see, I have little or no hope for a human rights group to step in because of the one-sidedness of this thing in the past, and by that I mean this:

All we heard about from guys like Bono and the ACLU and Jesse "the fake Navy SEAL" Ventura, were abuot the stuff WE do to THEM.  Gitmo, water boards, torture, etc.

But yet, we never hear any mention of the Taliban slitting Daniel Pearl's throat,  the Pakistani-based acid attacks against women (and the burning of womens' schools) or the little Iraqi boy Yousef, whose face was disfigured by Iraqi Al-Qaeda about 5 years back, after they poured gasoline on him.  

Or if they did say anything, I haven't heard. But it always seems that noone addresses the atrocities on the other side of the aisle.


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: dean on January 30, 2011, 09:45:59 AM

Well, far as I can see, I have little or no hope for a human rights group to step in because of the one-sidedness of this thing in the past, and by that I mean this:

All we heard about from guys like Bono and the ACLU and Jesse "the fake Navy SEAL" Ventura, were abuot the stuff WE do to THEM.  Gitmo, water boards, torture, etc.

But yet, we never hear any mention of the Taliban slitting Daniel Pearl's throat,  the Pakistani-based acid attacks against women (and the burning of womens' schools) or the little Iraqi boy Yousef, whose face was disfigured by Iraqi Al-Qaeda about 5 years back, after they poured gasoline on him.  

Or if they did say anything, I haven't heard. But it always seems that noone addresses the atrocities on the other side of the aisle.

Well, I suppose we pay more attention to those actions because we expect better of those who claim to be the 'good guys'. I don't need a newspaper article to tell me that terrorists are a-holes, but you better believe that I'd want someone held accountable for when 'our side' does the wrong thing.  I don't care if 'its part of war' or whatever, you want to win the battle that way, fine, I want to win the war, and you win that by being the better person who is still humane to their enemy.  You can't be morally superior when you have soldiers acting like that. 

But that is all way off topic...

ANYWAYS, so far the only people I've seen who seem sceptical/all end of the worldy about all this in Egypt is CNN and Fox News.  Everyone else I talk to seem to think that its a step in a positive direction, despite the turmoil.  Essentially attempting to break away from the police-state it has been for the last 30 years?  Can't blame them for snapping really. 

I particularly liked one article I read about the army and protestors sitting side-by-side peacefully on tanks when the army could easily have been shooting everyone.  Kind of gives you hope that things aren't completely horrible.

Time will tell how Egypt will adapt and who takes over, for now though, I hope that cooler heads will prevail.

I also hope, Indy, that your friend is safe and is able to either be in a safe place to hole up till this blows over, or is able to get out of the country quick smart.


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Newt on January 30, 2011, 10:12:59 AM
ANYWAYS, so far the only people I've seen who seem sceptical/all end of the worldy about all this in Egypt is CNN and Fox News.  Everyone else I talk to seem to think that its a step in a positive direction, despite the turmoil.  Essentially attempting to break away from the police-state it has been for the last 30 years?  Can't blame them for snapping really.

 :thumbup: 

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I particularly liked one article I read about the army and protestors sitting side-by-side peacefully on tanks when the army could easily have been shooting everyone.  Kind of gives you hope that things aren't completely horrible.

The commentators on our news reports have said that the army is loved by the Egyptian people.  The news coverage we are getting has shown protestors embracing individual armed soldiers - who receive the embraces perhaps sheepishly but without protest - saying, "The army is on our side!" 


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: lester1/2jr on January 30, 2011, 10:26:48 AM
Well, the persecution of religous minorities flares up for various reasons. For example, the christians in Iraq were doing fine under Saddam, now they have been driven out and killed almost totally. Is that because of islam? or because of the US invasion? probaly some combination therof and the general momentum of upheavel.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/20/world/middleeast/20christian.html?src=twrhp

"Last Christians Ponder Leaving a Hometown in Iraq"

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His wife wants to leave town or leave the country, joining what is becoming an exodus of Christians from Iraq and throughout the Middle East.


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Jim H on January 30, 2011, 10:33:08 AM
I must admit I find it baffling and depressing that Islamic nations treated Christians minorities much better back when they were conquering everything than they do now. 


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on January 30, 2011, 10:35:41 AM


Well, far as I can see, I have little or no hope for a human rights group to step in because of the one-sidedness of this thing in the past, and by that I mean this:

All we heard about from guys like Bono and the ACLU and Jesse "the fake Navy SEAL" Ventura, were abuot the stuff WE do to THEM.  Gitmo, water boards, torture, etc.

But yet, we never hear any mention of the Taliban slitting Daniel Pearl's throat,  the Pakistani-based acid attacks against women (and the burning of womens' schools) or the little Iraqi boy Yousef, whose face was disfigured by Iraqi Al-Qaeda about 5 years back, after they poured gasoline on him.  

Or if they did say anything, I haven't heard. But it always seems that noone addresses the atrocities on the other side of the aisle.

Well, I suppose we pay more attention to those actions because we expect better of those who claim to be the 'good guys'. I don't need a newspaper article to tell me that terrorists are a-holes, but you better believe that I'd want someone held accountable for when 'our side' does the wrong thing.  I don't care if 'its part of war' or whatever, you want to win the battle that way, fine, I want to win the war, and you win that by being the better person who is still humane to their enemy.  You can't be morally superior when you have soldiers acting like that.

That could be, but it just makes me wonder how many people in America and the world laugh their asses off when soldiers get killed. Y'know that "ha ha, you asked for it" factor because they see the enemy of their enemy as the friend.

I say this, because I've been to other websites where people have openly laughed at and made horrible posts about American and Allied soldiers getting killed, and it just makes your blood boil. Then we found out he was from Berkeley, and we suddenly understood his lack of intelligence, and his lack of respect, lol


ANYWAYS, so far the only people I've seen who seem sceptical/all end of the worldy about all this in Egypt is CNN and Fox News.  Everyone else I talk to seem to think that its a step in a positive direction, despite the turmoil.  Essentially attempting to break away from the police-state it has been for the last 30 years?  Can't blame them for snapping really.

Well, CNN and FOX need each other-one side to promote the event as "good for the world" and one to see it as doom incarnate. Good station, bad station. It's the old battle for hearts and minds among the two biggest media giants. Or so it would seem, anyway.

I particularly liked one article I read about the army and protestors sitting side-by-side peacefully on tanks when the army could easily have been shooting everyone.  Kind of gives you hope that things aren't completely horrible.

Yeah at least that was good.  It could have always been another Tianenmen Square where the tanks rolled over the students as they slept. There too, we still don't know what will happen. Noone's out of the woods by a long shot on this one...


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on January 30, 2011, 10:49:56 AM
Well, the persecution of religous minorities flares up for various reasons. For example, the christians in Iraq were doing fine under Saddam, now they have been driven out and killed almost totally. Is that because of islam? or because of the US invasion? probaly some combination therof and the general momentum of upheavel.

That's a fair bet. It's long been speculated that under Saddam, everyone enjoyed a level playing field despite the less-than humanitarian regime everyone came to know. Everyone knew their place.

Saddam's ousting left a power vacuum, and when there is no centralized government, there are no laws, and people wind up making their own as the pen is opened and the flocks run loose. When there's no flag flying, people make their own.

The killing of Christians is perhaps, as you say, because of Islam, as well as the U.S. Invasion and it's possible likeness to another Crusade as present day events are most likely tied to historical events to suit the anger that prevails. Or it could be that that's just how they did business all along.  A lot to think about, in any case.


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on January 30, 2011, 11:03:30 AM
I must admit I find it baffling and depressing that Islamic nations treated Christians minorities much better back when they were conquering everything than they do now. 

Indeed. I think that part of the modern day hatred is because Muslims have had almost 1,000 years of the post-Crusades world to villify Christianity as per the bloody history of the time. 

But to address your question:

Part of the reason Christians were treated better back then is because most likely, back then, there were Christians who avoided support for the Crusades, wishing only to live in peace with their Muslim\Jewish neighbors, living out the true edict of good will towards all men as they avoided the war around them.

Then, as atrocities became more known, Muslims and Christians began to hate and distrust each other to the point where summary judgement was the order of the day as one-upmanship reared it's head.

That said, there have been untold generations of Islamic hatemongers willing and able to carry the fight into the modern day, regardless of two wrongs not making a right, because noone ever told them that 2 wrongs don't make a right.

At this point though, it seems noone cares to stop and see anymore.


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: indianasmith on January 30, 2011, 01:50:33 PM
Couple of quick notes on this topic:

First of all, the "tolerance" of Medieval Islam for Jews and Christians has been exaggerated greatly by Muslim apologists in the West in recent years.  Some Sultans were tolerant, especially of the Jews, who never sought to proselytize.  But both Jews and Christians were allowed to live as "dhimma" - a permanent underclass who had to pay an annual fee to practice their faith, who could not testify against a Muslim in a court of law, and who were subject to physical abuse with little hope of redress.  Google "dhimmitude", or try reading "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades," for original source quotes from Islamic legal authorities on the subject.

Secondly, the Islamic world had pretty much forgotten about the Crusades for hundreds of years until well-meaning Europeans, many of them Marxists, tried to re-invent the Crusades as an example of "European Imperialism" in the East.  Late nineteenth century writers excoriated the Crusaders as early-day robber barons, and gave the creators of the modern jihadist movement a wonderful propaganda tool.  Muslims today are more angry about the Crusades than Muslims were for centuries immediately after the Crusades ended.  For earlier Muslims, the Crusades were just another campaign in a religious history that was essentially one of conquest and defeat for centuries.  My student that is in Cairo  gave me several of her books on the Crusades after she finished her class on the subject, and the author of the basic text - I think it's just called "A Short History of the Crusades" - made a comment at the end about attempts to link the Crusades to the events of 9/11.  His comment was that Western secularists and Islamic Jihadists have both distorted the actual meaning and motivation of the Crusades into something that none of the actual participants would even understand.

At any rate, contrary to what some may have construed from my comments, my hope is for peace, understanding, and prosperity for the people of Egypt.  If democracy can take root there and produce those things, that would be great.  But if democracy in Egypt means further xenophobia, religious murders,  and Sharia law, then let another dictator step in if that is what it takes to prevent those things.  Peace and stability are better for Egypt and the world than mob rule.

  I HOPE the people of Egypt will prove capable of enlightened self-government.  But we will see.  There can be no self-government without self discipline, something much of the Middle East seems to be sorely lacking.


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: lester1/2jr on January 30, 2011, 03:08:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdny0FTBohg&feature=player_embedded

edit: I think she is tunisian actually

this girl is hilarious and awesome

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwIY6ivf70A&feature=player_embedded


Title: Bad Movie Connection?
Post by: Raffine on January 30, 2011, 07:28:56 PM
The looters decapitated two mummies at the Cairo Museum and ran off with the heads...


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: indianasmith on January 30, 2011, 07:38:11 PM
From what I read, the mutilated mummies were those of Thuya and Yuya, the grandparents of King Tut.  Their mummies were incredibly well-preserved, and their tomb was the most intact ever found at the time (1890's, I think) that it was excavated.  I just have to wonder what the idiots were thinking?



Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Raffine on January 30, 2011, 07:48:14 PM
From what I read, the mutilated mummies were those of Thuya and Yuya, the grandparents of King Tut.  Their mummies were incredibly well-preserved, and their tomb was the most intact ever found at the time (1890's, I think) that it was excavated.  I just have to wonder what the idiots were thinking?



Yes, in addition to the human suffering these events always seem to inevitably lead to the destruction and/or looting of irreplaceable historical artifacts and monuments.


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on January 30, 2011, 09:32:15 PM
Couple of quick notes on this topic:

First of all, the "tolerance" of Medieval Islam for Jews and Christians has been exaggerated greatly by Muslim apologists in the West in recent years.  Some Sultans were tolerant, especially of the Jews, who never sought to proselytize.  But both Jews and Christians were allowed to live as "dhimma" - a permanent underclass who had to pay an annual fee to practice their faith, who could not testify against a Muslim in a court of law, and who were subject to physical abuse with little hope of redress.  Google "dhimmitude", or try reading "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades," for original source quotes from Islamic legal authorities on the subject.

Sounds as if he Jews and Christians were the real victims here.

Secondly, the Islamic world had pretty much forgotten about the Crusades for hundreds of years until well-meaning Europeans, many of them Marxists, tried to re-invent the Crusades as an example of "European Imperialism" in the East.  Late nineteenth century writers excoriated the Crusaders as early-day robber barons, and gave the creators of the modern jihadist movement a wonderful propaganda tool.

A propaganda tool and a tool to promote exaggerated victimization. Ain't THAT the truth....

However, even though there's absolutely no doubt as to what you said above, I think it only natural that modern day Jihadists would have eventualy found their anger anyway, thru centuries of one-sided storytelling and exaggerated victimization as the Crusades moved away from what it really was, to what it's become. 

Centuries have existed to mold and shape the events and for the story to gather moss as it rolled downhill, and man has it ever gone downhill. Who'd have ever thought things would get to this point?


Title: Re: Bad Movie Connection?
Post by: Trevor on January 31, 2011, 12:54:03 AM
The looters decapitated two mummies at the Cairo Museum and ran off with the heads...

 :buggedout: :buggedout: :buggedout:


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: lester1/2jr on January 31, 2011, 11:20:40 AM
If there really is mummy's curse those guys are TOAST.


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Jim H on January 31, 2011, 11:50:20 AM
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Late nineteenth century writers excoriated the Crusaders as early-day robber barons, and gave the creators of the modern jihadist movement a wonderful propaganda tool.  Muslims today are more angry about the Crusades than Muslims were for centuries immediately after the Crusades ended.

Pretty much everyone in any war you look at in those days is bad.  There aren't really "good guys" back then - the lack of valuation of human life and dignity is really appalling.  If I'd personally had to pick which side was morally superior, I'd have gone with the Muslims on the whole...  But really, if anyone was doing today what both sides were doing back then, we'd look upon them as monsters.  Only the grace of centuries of time has let us look at it any differently.

It's just plain stupid for them to get riled up about it today.


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on January 31, 2011, 10:52:09 PM
If there really is mummy's curse those guys are TOAST.

Yeah, burnt toast...  :buggedout:


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: lester1/2jr on February 01, 2011, 10:09:29 AM
http://goo.gl/15Fj6


Vin Diesel is expressing solidarity with the Egyptian people. This thing might happen.


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Doggett on February 01, 2011, 10:16:15 AM
[url]http://goo.gl/15Fj6[/url]


Vin Diesel is expressing solidarity with the Egyptian people. This thing might happen.


oh, well, now that Vin Diesel is behind them...


It actualy made my skin crawl reading that.


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: lester1/2jr on February 01, 2011, 10:41:32 AM
Anything Vin Diesel is for, I'm for.


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Doggett on February 01, 2011, 11:34:19 AM
Anything Vin Diesel is for, I'm for.

Well, I'm not decided yet.

I'm waiting for The Rock to get involved. Then I'll be behind it  :wink:


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Jack on February 01, 2011, 01:24:25 PM
Anything Vin Diesel is for, I'm for.

Even his movies?   :teddyr:


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: lester1/2jr on February 01, 2011, 02:20:05 PM
no  idraw the line there.

OKay the protesters are having a soccer tournament and the army is joing in. seriously


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Doggett on February 01, 2011, 05:48:57 PM
I've been watching this on BBC News 24 and one of the protesters had a sign saying:

GAME OVER, MAN !


 :teddyr:


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Couchtr26 on February 01, 2011, 06:20:12 PM
Well, far as I can see, I have little or no hope for a human rights group to step in because of the one-sidedness of this thing in the past, and by that I mean this:

All we heard about from guys like Bono and the ACLU and Jesse "the fake Navy SEAL" Ventura, were abuot the stuff WE do to THEM.  Gitmo, water boards, torture, etc.

But yet, we never hear any mention of the Taliban slitting Daniel Pearl's throat,  the Pakistani-based acid attacks against women (and the burning of womens' schools) or the little Iraqi boy Yousef, whose face was disfigured by Iraqi Al-Qaeda about 5 years back, after they poured gasoline on him.  

Or if they did say anything, I haven't heard. But it always seems that noone addresses the atrocities on the other side of the aisle.

Excellent point and sadly some people don't react the same to certain ideas.  Strong arms tend to get the most credence in the area. 


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Couchtr26 on February 01, 2011, 06:22:02 PM
Anything Vin Diesel is for, I'm for.

Well, I'm not decided yet.

I'm waiting for The Rock to get involved. Then I'll be behind it  :wink:

Nah, Chuck Norris and Hulk Hogan.  I wouldn't have taken my vitamins as a young man otherwise.   :wink:


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: lester1/2jr on February 02, 2011, 09:56:56 AM
(http://i55.tinypic.com/14l0od5.jpg)


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on February 02, 2011, 03:13:37 PM
Well, far as I can see, I have little or no hope for a human rights group to step in because of the one-sidedness of this thing in the past, and by that I mean this:

All we heard about from guys like Bono and the ACLU and Jesse "the fake Navy SEAL" Ventura, were abuot the stuff WE do to THEM.  Gitmo, water boards, torture, etc.

But yet, we never hear any mention of the Taliban slitting Daniel Pearl's throat,  the Pakistani-based acid attacks against women (and the burning of womens' schools) or the little Iraqi boy Yousef, whose face was disfigured by Iraqi Al-Qaeda about 5 years back, after they poured gasoline on him.  

Or if they did say anything, I haven't heard. But it always seems that noone addresses the atrocities on the other side of the aisle.

Excellent point and sadly some people don't react the same to certain ideas.  Strong arms tend to get the most credence in the area. 

True.  It seems that only one side of the issue is always addressed.  Of course, I'm sure there are those in America who don't care about the atrocities of the other side because the them, the enemy of their enemy is their friend.

A mindset that, I'm sure, has it's place in the ignorance of the atrocities of Al Qaeda and their Taliban allies. 

Just the same way, in Berkeley, CA where they burn the flag and Code Pink tell the military to their face just how much they hate them.  Oh but how they'd be screaming for help if a combined Russo\Chinese invasion force landed in their backyards...


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: lester1/2jr on February 02, 2011, 03:31:24 PM
getting ugly there. The west has cut Munarak loose so he probably figures he'll get a few last shots in. What a guy. No wonder his people hated him.


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Doggett on February 04, 2011, 01:34:12 PM
Not related to the current topic thats going on. But still pretty funny.


(http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/b587b298-624b-48f3-9e0a-d57ea7722e41.jpg)

 :bouncegiggle:

Geography lessons for someone at Fox news I think...  :teddyr:


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: dean on February 05, 2011, 07:43:55 AM

So an Australian journalist was dragged away by the police, eventually released but roughed up a little, for no good reason, by the police.  All for filming 'without a permit' even though they've never needed one before.  And another got shot by a sniper, allegedly. 

No good.  With police like that no wonder things are so crazy over there.


Anyways, on a lighter note, I saw this and found it funny:

(http://www.dumbblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/tgo9W-480x666.jpg)


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Jack on February 05, 2011, 07:54:51 AM
Overthrowing the government always sounds like such a great idea, until you realize that then you have to set up a new government.  History shows that the results tend to be unpredictable.


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: lester1/2jr on February 07, 2011, 12:42:30 PM
 
A people's uprising against empire  (http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/02/20112312504969243.html)

"A young generation has managed to shrug off an oppressive regime akin to those who revolted against the Soviet-bloc."


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Couchtr26 on February 07, 2011, 08:50:40 PM
Overthrowing the government always sounds like such a great idea, until you realize that then you have to set up a new government.  History shows that the results tend to be unpredictable.

That is where many things fall apart.  Most revolutions follow the French Revolution more closely then American.  Not saying it (the American Revolution) is better, just less violent.  There also tend to be witch hunts for those who are pro the former government or not into the new group enough. 


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on February 07, 2011, 09:25:42 PM
Overthrowing the government always sounds like such a great idea, until you realize that then you have to set up a new government.  History shows that the results tend to be unpredictable.

That is where many things fall apart.  Most revolutions follow the French Revolution more closely then American.  Not saying it (the American Revolution) is better, just less violent.  There also tend to be witch hunts for those who are pro the former government or not into the new group enough. 

Very true.  Once a government falls, it's easy to say "we're going to do this" and "were going to do that" and in reality, you have to mostly deal with the immediate will of the people who want THEIR satisfaction., and want it now. 

If it weren't for the human trait of instant gratification, transitions might be smoother. But try to satisfy a million-or-so people on the spur of the moment and you suddenly realize that things don't look that good...


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: indianasmith on February 08, 2011, 12:06:04 AM
Overthrowing the government always sounds like such a great idea, until you realize that then you have to set up a new government.  History shows that the results tend to be unpredictable.

That is where many things fall apart.  Most revolutions follow the French Revolution more closely then American.  Not saying it (the American Revolution) is better, just less violent.  There also tend to be witch hunts for those who are pro the former government or not into the new group enough. 

I will say the American Revolution was better!  I'll trumpet it from the rooftops!
What did the French Revolution produce?  A Reign of Terror, followed by a dictatorship, followed by an emperor followed by a restored monarchy, followed by a reformed monarchy, followed by another revolution, followed by a dictatorship, then ANOTHER emperor . . .

What did the American Revolution produce?  The most stable Republic in the history of the world, flawed in places, true, but with a remarkable capacity for self-correction, usually (but not always) by peaceable means.  A Constitution that is the model for self-governed nations the world over.  An economy strong enough to rescue Europe from self-destruction twice in the same century.  I am tired of academics and other whiners who want to blame America for all the world's troubles.  For all our faults and failings, the world has become a better place since the establishment of the United States, and America's efforts have had a great deal to do with that.  I LOVE MY COUNTRY AND I AM NOT ASHAMED OF THAT LOVE!


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: lester1/2jr on February 08, 2011, 10:20:20 AM
I hope they stay out in the streets and don't accept this bs compromise.


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Couchtr26 on February 08, 2011, 12:45:21 PM
Overthrowing the government always sounds like such a great idea, until you realize that then you have to set up a new government.  History shows that the results tend to be unpredictable.

That is where many things fall apart.  Most revolutions follow the French Revolution more closely then American.  Not saying it (the American Revolution) is better, just less violent.  There also tend to be witch hunts for those who are pro the former government or not into the new group enough. 

I will say the American Revolution was better!  I'll trumpet it from the rooftops!
What did the French Revolution produce?  A Reign of Terror, followed by a dictatorship, followed by an emperor followed by a restored monarchy, followed by a reformed monarchy, followed by another revolution, followed by a dictatorship, then ANOTHER emperor . . .

What did the American Revolution produce?  The most stable Republic in the history of the world, flawed in places, true, but with a remarkable capacity for self-correction, usually (but not always) by peaceable means.  A Constitution that is the model for self-governed nations the world over.  An economy strong enough to rescue Europe from self-destruction twice in the same century.  I am tired of academics and other whiners who want to blame America for all the world's troubles.  For all our faults and failings, the world has become a better place since the establishment of the United States, and America's efforts have had a great deal to do with that.  I LOVE MY COUNTRY AND I AM NOT ASHAMED OF THAT LOVE!

I agree but was trying to take a more neutral approach.  I love America as well but try to draw the line so I don't fall into the trap of overzealous patriotism.  I don't like that in any form.  Overzealous approaches to things are never good. 


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on February 08, 2011, 09:19:03 PM
Overthrowing the government always sounds like such a great idea, until you realize that then you have to set up a new government.  History shows that the results tend to be unpredictable.

That is where many things fall apart.  Most revolutions follow the French Revolution more closely then American.  Not saying it (the American Revolution) is better, just less violent.  There also tend to be witch hunts for those who are pro the former government or not into the new group enough. 

I will say the American Revolution was better!  I'll trumpet it from the rooftops!
What did the French Revolution produce?  A Reign of Terror, followed by a dictatorship, followed by an emperor followed by a restored monarchy, followed by a reformed monarchy, followed by another revolution, followed by a dictatorship, then ANOTHER emperor . . .

Haha, yeah. Hard to believe that, given their history, that France is the same country that helped us fight the British during the latter part of The Revolution, as well as giving us Lady Liberty.

What did the American Revolution produce?  The most stable Republic in the history of the world, flawed in places, true, but with a remarkable capacity for self-correction, usually (but not always) by peaceable means.  A Constitution that is the model for self-governed nations the world over.  An economy strong enough to rescue Europe from self-destruction twice in the same century.  I am tired of academics and other whiners who want to blame America for all the world's troubles.  For all our faults and failings, the world has become a better place since the establishment of the United States, and America's efforts have had a great deal to do with that.  I LOVE MY COUNTRY AND I AM NOT ASHAMED OF THAT LOVE!

 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Many may not agree with your assessment, but as I am one who DOES, I'll also point out that not ALL non-Americans view us unfavorably.  One such person, the late Toronto times correspondent Gordon Sinclair, made a great broadcast sometime in the early 1970's, entitled "America, The Good Neighbor.

In it, he details just about every time America helped other countries, only to be turned down when the time came to do the same. He even mentions how we rescued France's economy in 1956, only to be "swindled and insulted in the streets of Paris" as he puts it.

Europe still dosen't seem to realize that w\o America, they'd still be listed in The Hitler Directory (or The Red Pages, as post WW2 politics has seen.)

In any case, war aside, we've done a LOT for our neighbors and seem to get little in return for it except the usual slap in the face. That's gratitude for you..


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: JaseSF on February 08, 2011, 09:32:14 PM
Here's hoping Egypt ends with a positive change in the end of all this.


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on February 08, 2011, 09:54:22 PM
Here's hoping Egypt ends with a positive change in the end of all this.

Agreed. Everyone always thinks of things such as this as "a world away" and "not in our backyard" but never seem to realize the TRUE impact it can and does have on the world at large.  Everything from oil prices to alliances can easily be affected by this. It dosen't take long for the world to fall apart, and it all starts with one or two bricks breaking away from the foundation.


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Raffine on February 10, 2011, 03:38:16 PM
MSNBC is reporting Mubarak will step down as president "any minute now".


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: lester1/2jr on February 10, 2011, 03:55:23 PM
It's enough with this guy. Why put off the inevitable? What was the point of all this? Like maybe people would think it pover and change their mind?


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Raffine on February 10, 2011, 04:14:40 PM
Nope.

He said (I paraphrase) "My dear little children, screw you guys! I'm stayin' put!"


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Couchtr26 on February 10, 2011, 08:17:43 PM
Yeah, what the hell is this I'm staying but VP blah blah blah.  That is some bullchit. 


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: lester1/2jr on February 11, 2011, 10:39:59 AM
NY Daily News Headline "Cling Tut"


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Allhallowsday on February 11, 2011, 12:57:46 PM
Democracy protests bring down Egypt's Mubarak 

CAIRO Egypt exploded with joy, tears, and relief after pro-democracy protesters brought down President Hosni Mubarak with a momentous march on his palaces and state TV. Mubarak, who until the end seemed unable to grasp the depth of resentment over his three decades of authoritarian rule, finally resigned Friday and handed power to the military.

"The people ousted the regime," rang out chants from crowds of hundreds of thousands massed in Cairo's central Tahrir Square and outside Mubarak's main palace several miles away in a northern district of the capital.

The crowds in Cairo, the Mediterranean city of Alexandria and other cities around the country burst into pandemonium. They danced, chanted "goodbye, goodbye," and raised their hands in prayer as fireworks and car horns sounded after Vice President Omar Suleiman made the announcement on national TV just after nightfall... 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110211/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110211/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt)


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: lester1/2jr on February 11, 2011, 01:08:29 PM
cue for FOX to begin the demonization of Egypt and whoever they elect as the new Hitler.


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Rev. Powell on February 11, 2011, 03:36:31 PM
A credible theory is Mubarak stepped down because the army stopped supporting him, and the army may well choose the next leader.  It seems to me a good possibility is that Egypt gets a more popular dictator rather than a democratically elected leader.  The country is now being run by the Armed Forces Supreme Council---that doesn't sound good.  Maybe it will turn out that they do become a representative democracy, but I'm skeptical.

Then again, I thought the Egyptians would probably crush the protests the way the Iranians did, so what do I know?


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: lester1/2jr on February 11, 2011, 03:42:50 PM
well, In Iran ahmednejad has a well of support, mostly among the sort of red staters there, the country folk and the working classes, not all of them but alot of them. Mubarak had zero popular support.


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: indianasmith on February 12, 2011, 01:05:19 AM
I  hope that the people of Egypt will elect a progressive, democratic government.
But frankly, I give it a snowball's chance.  They will most likely elect a radical Islamist. Most recent opinion polls in Egypt, conducted by Pew, show that 84% favor the death penalty for anyone converting away from Islam, 70% favor thieves having their hands cut off, and over 70% favor segregation of men and womein in the workplace.  Long story short, these people seem to want Sharia Law established and Radical Islamists to enforce it.  That means another terror-sponsoring, Christian-hating, uncivilized country full of barbarians with billions of dollars worth of sophisticated military equipment.

Lester, Radical Islam is the most evil philosophy current in the world today.  The ARE the Nazis of the 21st century.  I don't get why you can't understand that.

My most passionate and fervent hope is that I am wrong in everything that I wrote above.  But TRUE democratic societies - ones that respect the rights  of women and religious minorities, and don't sponsor international terrorism - have a crappy track record of forming in the Middle East.  I hate to rain on the parade, but I call em like I see em.


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Barack Clinton on February 12, 2011, 02:36:37 AM
Indianasmith, what you talk about as radical islam is exactly what the far right and the teabaggers want to do to america, except instead of an islmaofascist nation they'd like to turn america into a christianofascist nation.

As to the egypt situation, here's a funny cartoon that really sums it up. To see it replace the --- at the beginning with www


---.salon.com/ent/comics/this_modern_world/2011/02/08/this_modern_world/story.jpg


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Jim H on February 12, 2011, 03:35:12 AM
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But TRUE democratic societies - ones that respect the rights  of women and religious minorities, and don't sponsor international terrorism - have a crappy track record of forming in the Middle East.  I hate to rain on the parade, but I call em like I see em.

Maybe you should hope for a leader like Jordan's kings.  Probably the closest thing we've seen to benevolent dictators in recent times.  Their past four kings have led a country with extreme religious elements in a very progressive direction, generally quite successfully. 


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: lester1/2jr on February 12, 2011, 09:51:58 AM
I doubt what Egypt comes up with could be worse than Saudi Arabia who are THE biggest sponsors of terror ever and have pretty much no rights for women or religous minorities. I don't see how that would even be possible, unless they created a garment for women which they could not see out of AT ALL. So the bar is very low here.


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on February 12, 2011, 11:40:41 AM


Lester, Radical Islam is the most evil philosophy current in the world today.  The ARE the Nazis of the 21st century.  I don't get why you can't understand that.

I know, Indy.

Also, why is it that people on Hollywood's "A" list and the old hens on "The View"
(for starters) always show sympathy and support for Islamic extremists, fully ignorant of the fact that their support is nothing but a tool, and that they themselves are just as much a target for their anger and hatred?

They don't see that they are just as much a target as any one of us.

Does anyone think the World Trade Center would have been spared if they knew Michael
Moore or O' Donnell were in them (or in Moore's case, on TOP of the WTC fighting off National Guard choppers and planes?)  Hell no.   

You're not the only one who dosen't understand this mindset, Indy.


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: indianasmith on February 12, 2011, 08:36:03 PM
Indianasmith, what you talk about as radical islam is exactly what the far right and the teabaggers want to do to america, except instead of an islmaofascist nation they'd like to turn america into a christianofascist nation.

As to the egypt situation, here's a funny cartoon that really sums it up. To see it replace the --- at the beginning with www


---.salon.com/ent/comics/this_modern_world/2011/02/08/this_modern_world/story.jpg

As a Republican and a Christian and a Tea Party supporter, I call BS on that.  I have been in the church my entire life and I have yet to meet a  Christian who wants to stone anyone to death, cut anyone's hand off, or murder anyone for abandoning Christianity.  Have you ever actually ATTENDED a Tea Party rally?  Of course not.  You just grab the liberal talking points and go play the "moral equivalency" game!  Let me ask you this - how many Baptist suicide bombers have blown up buses or busy marketplaces in the last year?  When was the last time a Presbyterian flew a jumbo jet into a skyscraper, or a Pentecostal drove a truck full of explosives into a police station?  Your comment simply exposes you for the knee-jerk Christian hater that you are!


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on February 12, 2011, 10:10:30 PM
Indianasmith, what you talk about as radical islam is exactly what the far right and the teabaggers want to do to america, except instead of an islmaofascist nation they'd like to turn america into a christianofascist nation.

As to the egypt situation, here's a funny cartoon that really sums it up. To see it replace the --- at the beginning with www


---.salon.com/ent/comics/this_modern_world/2011/02/08/this_modern_world/story.jpg

As a Republican and a Christian and a Tea Party supporter, I call BS on that.  I have been in the church my entire life and I have yet to meet a  Christian who wants to stone anyone to death, cut anyone's hand off, or murder anyone for abandoning Christianity.  Have you ever actually ATTENDED a Tea Party rally?  Of course not.  You just grab the liberal talking points and go play the "moral equivalency" game!  Let me ask you this - how many Baptist suicide bombers have blown up buses or busy marketplaces in the last year?  When was the last time a Presbyterian flew a jumbo jet into a skyscraper, or a Pentecostal drove a truck full of explosives into a police station?  Your comment simply exposes you for the knee-jerk Christian hater that you are!

Seems that some of the hatred the Left points at the Right seems to see them excuse some of their own actions: you have the  threats against Sarah Palin, the attacks upon Anne Coulter, the effigies of Palin and McCain hung by the neck during the elections, and so on. Anyone remember junior Democrat Timothy Horrigan's facebook rant about Sarah Palin?

Then there was the one Keith Olbermann show where he and Jeanine Giraffe-a**hole went on a half hour of vile innuendos, suppositions, and alternate phrase words to describe the Tea Party and Conservatives in general on everything from their birth to their sexual preferences.

Seems THAT'S ok, right? But let's not forget that if a conservative did any these things, the Left and the Media would have a field day as everyone from Chris Matthews to the losers on The View would be speaking hatred and violent extremism.

It's free speech  when the Left antagonizes, threatens and screams down their opponents, but it's extremism when the right does it.

I love how these people roll.... :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: Egypt is falling
Post by: lester1/2jr on February 13, 2011, 10:41:43 AM
Schubby guys in Egypt agree to put off helping cleaning till Monday.