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Title: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: Olivia Bauer on March 02, 2011, 09:58:38 AM
How is Lester1/2jr the #1 most smited user when WyreWizard got booed more? I'm a little confused about the Karma system's workings.


Title: Re: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: Flick James on March 02, 2011, 10:03:04 AM
Hmm. I don't know. That's a good question.

I do, however, like how AllHallowsDay is the only member who is on the top 5 of both lists. I don't know why I'm impressed by this.


Title: Re: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: Raffine on March 02, 2011, 10:08:07 AM
How is Lester1/2jr the #1 most smited user when WyreWizard got booed more? I'm a little confused about the Karma system's workings.

Lester must get enough 'positive' karma to off set the negative. Poor ol' WyreWizard must get mostly 'booed'.


Title: Re: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: ulthar on March 02, 2011, 10:09:21 AM
A guess...but,

Initially, it was a simple "applaud/boo" system with no comment required and no 'tracking.'  Wyred probably got a lot of his boos before the tracking mod was added to the forum software.

So, when the system adds up "smites," Lester get's the highest total; what this really means is that he's the most smited user since the mod was added.  Wyred's score is the total of both before and after tracking, but since his earlier boos were not logged, his logged smites don't add up properly for his score.



Title: Re: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: Menard on March 02, 2011, 10:16:44 AM
How is Lester1/2jr the #1 most smited user when WyreWizard got booed more? I'm a little confused about the Karma system's workings.

That's because the only time that WireDick gets applauded is sympathy karma after I have b***hslapped the little girl.

For reference, RC is the most applauded member of the forum; he would be if his karma was not disabled. And by the same token I would competing with AHD and CheezeDick for spots on both lists.


Title: Re: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: Olivia Bauer on March 02, 2011, 10:40:42 AM
How is Lester1/2jr the #1 most smited user when WyreWizard got booed more? I'm a little confused about the Karma system's workings.

That's because the only time that WireDick gets applauded is sympathy karma after I have b***hslapped the little girl.

True dat...


Title: Re: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 02, 2011, 11:55:32 AM
I don't think the karma statistics were reset when the tracking mod was added.  Back when you were allowed to give negative karma anonymously, Lester was frequently smited for his politics.

As an aside, Lester was not always the easygoing, uncontroversial, apolitical character you see before you today.  He used to be quite argumentative and opinionated.  In all seriousness, he deserves to be commended for toning it down.  He's learned how to argue his points with more civility and without resorting to name calling and I think he's quite a bit more persuasive now. 


Title: Re: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: Olivia Bauer on March 02, 2011, 12:19:06 PM
I don't think the karma statistics were reset when the tracking mod was added.  Back when you were allowed to give negative karma anonymously, Lester was frequently smited for his politics.

As an aside, Lester was not always the easygoing, uncontroversial, apolitical character you see before you today.  He used to be quite argumentative and opinionated.  In all seriousness, he deserves to be commended for toning it down.  He's learned how to argue his points with more civility and without resorting to name calling and I think he's quite a bit more persuasive now. 

I have observed such.


Title: Re: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: Menard on March 02, 2011, 12:26:32 PM
He used to be quite argumentative and opinionated.  In all seriousness, he deserves to be commended for toning it down.  He's learned how to argue his points with more civility and without resorting to name calling and I think he's quite a bit more persuasive now. 

We all know that doesn't apply to me now don't we. :teddyr:


Title: Re: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: Doggett on March 02, 2011, 01:32:44 PM

As an aside, Lester was not always the easygoing, uncontroversial, apolitical character you see before you today.  He used to be quite argumentative and opinionated.  In all seriousness, he deserves to be commended for toning it down.  He's learned how to argue his points with more civility and without resorting to name calling and I think he's quite a bit more persuasive now. 

lester1/2jr is the only person whos ever smited me.

Not that I'm bitter or anything. He also smited ghouck for the same reason he did me.  :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: The Burgomaster on March 02, 2011, 01:36:40 PM
I think instead of karma we should get money.


Title: Re: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: Flick James on March 02, 2011, 01:37:41 PM
I think instead of karma we should get money.

Yeah. The money can come straight from the Federal Reserve. Hell, they invent money that doesn't exist all the time.


Title: Re: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 02, 2011, 01:51:29 PM
He used to be quite argumentative and opinionated.  In all seriousness, he deserves to be commended for toning it down.  He's learned how to argue his points with more civility and without resorting to name calling and I think he's quite a bit more persuasive now. 

We all know that doesn't apply to me now don't we. :teddyr:

Naw, you're just a lovable pervert.


Title: Re: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: Olivia Bauer on March 02, 2011, 01:54:59 PM

As an aside, Lester was not always the easygoing, uncontroversial, apolitical character you see before you today.  He used to be quite argumentative and opinionated.  In all seriousness, he deserves to be commended for toning it down.  He's learned how to argue his points with more civility and without resorting to name calling and I think he's quite a bit more persuasive now. 

lester1/2jr is the only person whos ever smited me.

Not that I'm bitter or anything. He also smited ghouck for the same reason he did me.  :bouncegiggle:

Yeah I saw that. I'm not sure why he smited you. "You're no fun" isn't a suitable explanation. I don't get it. :question:


Title: Re: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: Doggett on March 02, 2011, 01:57:14 PM

As an aside, Lester was not always the easygoing, uncontroversial, apolitical character you see before you today.  He used to be quite argumentative and opinionated.  In all seriousness, he deserves to be commended for toning it down.  He's learned how to argue his points with more civility and without resorting to name calling and I think he's quite a bit more persuasive now. 

lester1/2jr is the only person whos ever smited me.

Not that I'm bitter or anything. He also smited ghouck for the same reason he did me.  :bouncegiggle:

Yeah I saw that. I'm not sure why he smited you. "You're no fun" isn't a suitable explanation. I don't get it. :question:

Me and ghouck didn't approve of a site as much as Lester did.


He did say he was feeling a bit sensitive that day though.

Poor baby.  :wink:


Title: Re: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: Olivia Bauer on March 02, 2011, 02:09:50 PM

As an aside, Lester was not always the easygoing, uncontroversial, apolitical character you see before you today.  He used to be quite argumentative and opinionated.  In all seriousness, he deserves to be commended for toning it down.  He's learned how to argue his points with more civility and without resorting to name calling and I think he's quite a bit more persuasive now. 

lester1/2jr is the only person whos ever smited me.

Not that I'm bitter or anything. He also smited ghouck for the same reason he did me.  :bouncegiggle:

Yeah I saw that. I'm not sure why he smited you. "You're no fun" isn't a suitable explanation. I don't get it. :question:

Me and ghouck didn't approve of a site as much as Lester did.


He did say he was feeling a bit sensitive that day though.

Poor baby.  :wink:

I've never been booed and I want it to stay that way. I try to be nice to everyone.


Title: Re: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: Flick James on March 02, 2011, 02:10:42 PM

As an aside, Lester was not always the easygoing, uncontroversial, apolitical character you see before you today.  He used to be quite argumentative and opinionated.  In all seriousness, he deserves to be commended for toning it down.  He's learned how to argue his points with more civility and without resorting to name calling and I think he's quite a bit more persuasive now. 

lester1/2jr is the only person whos ever smited me.

Not that I'm bitter or anything. He also smited ghouck for the same reason he did me.  :bouncegiggle:

Yeah I saw that. I'm not sure why he smited you. "You're no fun" isn't a suitable explanation. I don't get it. :question:

Me and ghouck didn't approve of a site as much as Lester did.


He did say he was feeling a bit sensitive that day though.

Poor baby.  :wink:

I've never been booed and I want it to stay that way. I try to be nice to everyone.

Except Justin Beiber.  :wink:


Title: Re: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: Doggett on March 02, 2011, 02:12:05 PM

As an aside, Lester was not always the easygoing, uncontroversial, apolitical character you see before you today.  He used to be quite argumentative and opinionated.  In all seriousness, he deserves to be commended for toning it down.  He's learned how to argue his points with more civility and without resorting to name calling and I think he's quite a bit more persuasive now. 

lester1/2jr is the only person whos ever smited me.

Not that I'm bitter or anything. He also smited ghouck for the same reason he did me.  :bouncegiggle:

Yeah I saw that. I'm not sure why he smited you. "You're no fun" isn't a suitable explanation. I don't get it. :question:

Me and ghouck didn't approve of a site as much as Lester did.


He did say he was feeling a bit sensitive that day though.

Poor baby.  :wink:

I've never been booed and I want it to stay that way. I try to be nice to everyone.

Except Justin Beiber.  :wink:

Justin Beiber isn't man enough to handle this site !


Title: Re: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: Menard on March 02, 2011, 02:17:56 PM

As an aside, Lester was not always the easygoing, uncontroversial, apolitical character you see before you today.  He used to be quite argumentative and opinionated.  In all seriousness, he deserves to be commended for toning it down.  He's learned how to argue his points with more civility and without resorting to name calling and I think he's quite a bit more persuasive now. 

lester1/2jr is the only person whos ever smited me.

Not that I'm bitter or anything. He also smited ghouck for the same reason he did me.  :bouncegiggle:

Yeah I saw that. I'm not sure why he smited you. "You're no fun" isn't a suitable explanation. I don't get it. :question:

Me and ghouck didn't approve of a site as much as Lester did.


He did say he was feeling a bit sensitive that day though.

Poor baby.  :wink:

I've never been booed and I want it to stay that way. I try to be nice to everyone.

You have now.  :tongueout:

Feel honored; you are in an elite group with WireDick and the 'Nube.

I'll applaud you when the time limit expires.


Title: Re: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: Doggett on March 02, 2011, 02:25:30 PM

As an aside, Lester was not always the easygoing, uncontroversial, apolitical character you see before you today.  He used to be quite argumentative and opinionated.  In all seriousness, he deserves to be commended for toning it down.  He's learned how to argue his points with more civility and without resorting to name calling and I think he's quite a bit more persuasive now. 

lester1/2jr is the only person whos ever smited me.

Not that I'm bitter or anything. He also smited ghouck for the same reason he did me.  :bouncegiggle:

Yeah I saw that. I'm not sure why he smited you. "You're no fun" isn't a suitable explanation. I don't get it. :question:

Me and ghouck didn't approve of a site as much as Lester did.


He did say he was feeling a bit sensitive that day though.

Poor baby.  :wink:

I've never been booed and I want it to stay that way. I try to be nice to everyone.

You have now.  :tongueout:

Feel honored; you are in an elite group with WireDick and the 'Nube.

I'll applaud you when the time limit expires.

I'll give you karma tomorrow, AJ, to make up for Menard behaving, well, like Menard...
 :lookingup:


Title: Re: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: Olivia Bauer on March 02, 2011, 04:05:49 PM

As an aside, Lester was not always the easygoing, uncontroversial, apolitical character you see before you today.  He used to be quite argumentative and opinionated.  In all seriousness, he deserves to be commended for toning it down.  He's learned how to argue his points with more civility and without resorting to name calling and I think he's quite a bit more persuasive now. 

lester1/2jr is the only person whos ever smited me.

Not that I'm bitter or anything. He also smited ghouck for the same reason he did me.  :bouncegiggle:

Yeah I saw that. I'm not sure why he smited you. "You're no fun" isn't a suitable explanation. I don't get it. :question:

Me and ghouck didn't approve of a site as much as Lester did.


He did say he was feeling a bit sensitive that day though.

Poor baby.  :wink:

I've never been booed and I want it to stay that way. I try to be nice to everyone.

You have now.  :tongueout:

Feel honored; you are in an elite group with WireDick and the 'Nube.

I'll applaud you when the time limit expires.

I'll give you karma tomorrow, AJ, to make up for Menard behaving, well, like Menard...
 :lookingup:

If I wasn't such a nice guy I'd boo him back.


Title: Re: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: indianasmith on March 02, 2011, 07:22:37 PM
Menard gives but does not receive . . .
I got a ton of negs when I first logged on here; since we started requiring reasons for smitage I think I have only gotten a few, and most of those were from Judge Death, a flaming liberal jerk who has since departed the premises.  I don't give a ton of negs, although every now and then Lester and I disagree enough that I've dinged him.  Not in awhile, though.


Title: Re: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: Allhallowsday on March 02, 2011, 08:13:34 PM
...I've never been booed and I want it to stay that way. I try to be nice to everyone.
You're not nice to WyreWizard.  

...If I wasn't such a nice guy I'd boo him back.
You can't knock Menard.

...I do, however, like how AllHallowsDay is the only member who is on the top 5 of both lists. I don't know why I'm impressed by this.
I take great pride in that fact now.  :smile: :thumbup:  I never enjoyed getting smited, and had even been the target of a karma assassination plot!  Then, I had planned to ditch my karma at 300 or 500, but later decided that karma was the singular gauge for the value of one's contribution to this forum.  I just couldn't ditch all of those comments and links of what others thought of my writing, which is what perpetually draws me to this forum.  The opportunity to write thoughts, responses, and wisecracks.  Our webmaster Andrew shut off his karma from day one, rightly so as the originator, RCMerchant followed for his own reasons, Menard, perhaps others, followed suit.


Title: Re: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: Olivia Bauer on March 02, 2011, 09:00:27 PM
I don't like booing people but I do like to find as many spammers as possible to boo. WyreWizard may not have been a spammer but his trollish comments earned him 2 smitings from me.

Right now the person who does the most booing on this site is Circus Circus. He smites the s**t out of spammers. Keep it up!


Title: Re: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: indianasmith on March 02, 2011, 09:03:42 PM
I like watching my karma go up . . . and occasionally down.
I hope to one day be on both lists too; right now I am only on the negative one!


Title: Re: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: Olivia Bauer on March 02, 2011, 09:05:30 PM
I like watching my karma go up . . . and occasionally down.
I hope to one day be on both lists too; right now I am only on the negative one!

Your karma is 777. I'm not changing that.  :teddyr:


Title: Re: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: HappyGilmore on March 02, 2011, 10:55:09 PM
Fortunately I haven't been smited too much.  A few times.  Forget who.


Title: Re: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: claws on March 03, 2011, 01:05:06 AM
Would be nice if this Karma thing was optional. I'm not a fan of it and I stop using it some time ago. Not that I (ab)used it very much to begin with.
To me it represents a popularity contest and I don't feel comfortable being "rated" (or judged?).
Since I can't turn it off I guess I'll have to live with it, though.


Title: Re: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: dean on March 03, 2011, 07:01:23 AM

You can turn it off, not sure how though, you'll have to ask those who are unsmiteable like RC or Menard.  They've undergone the procedure.   :thumbup:


Title: Re: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: ulthar on March 03, 2011, 07:55:58 AM

You can turn it off, not sure how though, you'll have to ask those who are unsmiteable like RC or Menard.  They've undergone the procedure.   :thumbup:


Of course, let's be clear here.  Ronnie asked that his karma be disabled not because he did not want to be smited, but because his POSITIVE karma was growing by leaps and bounds, very quickly.

I think the universe would implode and end in a puff of white pancake makeup dust if anyone boo'd Ronnie.  That would just NOT be right at all...



Title: Re: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: Flick James on March 03, 2011, 09:52:08 AM
I went through my karma-giving history and noticed I've never booed anybody. You see? I'm not a bad guy.


Title: Re: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: AndyC on March 03, 2011, 09:59:33 AM
To me it represents a popularity contest and I don't feel comfortable being "rated" (or judged?).

I think of it more as feedback. Sometimes it's hard to tell if something you've written has hit the mark as squarely as you thought it did. When somebody takes a few seconds to give me a thumbs-up, it tells me the joke I made was funny or the opinion I expressed was as convincing or thought-provoking as I hoped it would be. It feels good.

This goes back to newspaper writing. You have to give people a good read, and they don't always let you know how you're doing. And I used to get a little bit anxious when I'd stick my neck out in an editorial and then wait for some response. Would have been nice if the readers had a karma button they could push after they read something.

That said, I find I'm giving karma less than I used to. Mind you, if something strikes me as really good, I'll often say so in the thread.

And I also never boo people. I know I have done it a few times in the past, but it just seems pointless to me. If somebody says something I really disagree with, I'll argue with him, not just boo him. If I've come to the conclusion that he's full of crap and arguing is pointless (pretty rare), I just ignore him, unless he becomes a real nuisance to everyone, and then it becomes a moderator thing.


Title: Re: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: ulthar on March 03, 2011, 10:39:53 AM

And I also never boo people. .... If somebody says something I really disagree with, I'll argue with him, not just boo him.


I've boo'd a few, but NEVER for disagreeing with me.  I've only boo'd for the TONE of posting, and only then when it's a pattern.

You said yourself that it's feedback.  For those that spew hatred in their posts (and I've boo'd people for agreeing with me when they used that kind of tone).  I think of a 'boo' as a way to say, "Hey, you are not being respectful to the board...those that agree or not."

That said, I really don't boo a lot...I try to avoid it.  One or two "bad" posts...well, any of us can have a bad day or fire off something a bit overly emotional.  I look at a trend.

I like both the applaud and boo a TON better since we have to include the comment to go along with the change.  I think that helps make the system a little more 'real.'


Title: Re: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: Flick James on March 03, 2011, 11:10:14 AM
I'm not saying I've never been tempted. If somebody is just plain being a dick, then I think it's warranted. That's the only reason I ever feel like doing it.


Title: Re: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: diamondwaspvenom on March 03, 2011, 11:27:24 AM
I've never booed anyone, and I don't plan to. Even though I've disagreed with a few posters with topics about religion and entertainment, I've never found it necessary to boo the individual.


Title: Re: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: SPazzo on March 03, 2011, 01:08:47 PM
I don't think I have ever been booed by anyone, and I have only ever booed one person.  That was a user named oxode who made an off-colour joke on a thread concerning a news story about a 6 year old committing suicide.  I just thought it was too distasteful to get away with.  To be fair, I wasn't the only one who booed this user.

Other than that, I try to stay away from the "Boo" button, and only applaud people. :lookingup:


Title: Re: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: Flick James on March 03, 2011, 01:09:51 PM
I've gotten a few boos, but not a lot. I do express opinions that p**s people off sometimes.


Title: Re: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: Olivia Bauer on March 03, 2011, 01:40:23 PM
Smiting people for their opinions is stupid.


Title: Re: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: Flick James on March 03, 2011, 01:41:50 PM
Smiting people for their opinions is stupid.

Agreed. It's only if somebody is being a world class A-hole that I would consider the smite.


Title: Re: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: ulthar on March 03, 2011, 02:01:06 PM
Smiting people for their opinions is stupid.

That's an opinion and I should boo you for it.   :teddyr: :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: The Karma system is bothering me...
Post by: Trevor on March 04, 2011, 01:10:06 AM
Smiting people for their opinions is stupid.

That's an opinion and I should boo you for it.   :teddyr: :bouncegiggle:

I don't laugh a lot these days but that certainly made me laugh.  :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: