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Title: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Doggett on May 01, 2011, 10:23:55 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13256676 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13256676)


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: El Misfit on May 01, 2011, 10:25:45 PM
This will surely help Obama's 2012 re-election campaign! :thumbup:


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Doggett on May 01, 2011, 10:27:14 PM
This will surely help Obama's 2012 re-election campaign! :thumbup:

I agree, Bone Brother !


 :wink:


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: El Misfit on May 01, 2011, 10:32:00 PM
This will surely help Obama's 2012 re-election campaign! :thumbup:


I agree, Bone Brother !


 :wink:

(http://paulboylan.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/horrified-woman.gif%3Fw%3D202%26h%3D300)


Title: Sources: Al-Qaida head bin Laden dead
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 01, 2011, 10:41:49 PM
Sources: Al-Qaida head bin Laden dead 

Is it true?  I hope so. 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110502/ap_on_re_us/us_bin_laden (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110502/ap_on_re_us/us_bin_laden)


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: indianasmith on May 01, 2011, 11:58:35 PM
For crying out loud, you are simply incapable of a single moment of genuine patriotism, aren't you?

The Americans who died in Iraq and Afghanistan were killed by the enemy, not by their commander in chief.  Do you consider FDR personally responsible for every one of the 300,000 who died in World War II?

Tonight I was ready to put aside all partisan differences.  I even posted sincere congratulations to a President whom I don't care much for. But you cannot make a point about ANYTHING withou spewing your usual left-wing, America-hating, Marxist bile!

Thanks for ruining the moment, JERK!!!!!!!!!!!! :hatred:


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 02, 2011, 12:05:57 AM
For crying out loud, you are simply incapable of a single moment of genuine patriotism, aren't you?

The Americans who died in Iraq and Afghanistan were killed by the enemy, not by their commander in chief.  Do you consider FDR personally responsible for every one of the 300,000 who died in World War II?

Tonight I was ready to put aside all partisan differences.  I even posted sincere congratulations to a President whom I don't care much for. But you cannot make a point about ANYTHING withou spewing your usual left-wing, America-hating, Marxist bile!

Thanks for ruining the moment, JERK!!!!!!!!!!!! :hatred:
Hey, Indy, don't let one poisoned person ruin any moment. I don't like being glad anyone is dead - except osama bin askin' for it !!
(BarackClinton = (http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff259/allhallowsday/NOOKIE-1.jpg))  Yes, I remember.  

http://www.badmovies.org/forum/index.php/topic,125633.60.html (http://www.badmovies.org/forum/index.php/topic,125633.60.html)

PS.  I am not an admirer of BUSH either as anyone on this forum could tell you.


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: BTM on May 02, 2011, 01:22:06 AM
Hmm.. I'm conflicted.  Dunno whether to queue up, "Another Bites The Dust" by Queen or "American, f**k Yeah!" from the Team America soundtrack.


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Criswell on May 02, 2011, 01:45:06 AM
For crying out loud, you are simply incapable of a single moment of genuine patriotism, aren't you?

The Americans who died in Iraq and Afghanistan were killed by the enemy, not by their commander in chief.  Do you consider FDR personally responsible for every one of the 300,000 who died in World War II?

Tonight I was ready to put aside all partisan differences.  I even posted sincere congratulations to a President whom I don't care much for. But you cannot make a point about ANYTHING withou spewing your usual left-wing, America-hating, Marxist bile!

Thanks for ruining the moment, JERK!!!!!!!!!!!! :hatred:



Iraq had nothing to do with 911.

The invasion, conquest and occupation of iraq was unjustified and based on lies, it's done nothing to make america safer and has actually increased hostility towards america around the world.

 
The american personnel killed in iraq have died so that trillions of dollars could be stolen from the public and handed to halliburton. The tens of thousands of dead iraqi civillians were, simply, murdered by america.

But what's the point of explaining the truth to a texan?

Dude lay off it. We're all american and we just killed OBL. Yes Iraq isn't good and even i'm not a fan of Bush in the slightest. But lay off it.


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Chainsawmidget on May 02, 2011, 02:27:15 AM
You want to go spew your bile, go somewhere else.  Personally, I'd suggest a nice bridge to hide under.  maybe you'll get lucky and some billygoats will want to cross it.  

This is a HAPPY Time.  HAPPY.  You don't have to join in, but don't try to kick your s**t all over the rest of us.  

Personally, I'd like to make a toast to every single person that even spent a minute helping (or trying to help) wipe that evil SOB off the planet.  


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Joe the Destroyer on May 02, 2011, 02:29:51 AM
Personally, I'd like to make a toast to every single person that even spent a minute helping (or trying to help) wide that evil SOB off the planet. 

Indeed.   :cheers:

Ding dong, the witch is dead!


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Pilgermann on May 02, 2011, 02:39:45 AM
Good riddance!

 :cheers:


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Psycho Circus on May 02, 2011, 04:28:18 AM
But what's the point of explaining the truth to a texan?

That's WAAAAY over the line.  :thumbdown:


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Doggett on May 02, 2011, 06:45:26 AM
Am I only the person who feels uncomfortable about all this happiness from a mans death.

He was a bad guy, but all this good cheer is creeping me out a little.
Killing him hasn't actually changed anything.


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: indianasmith on May 02, 2011, 06:47:57 AM
Ask your grandparents how they felt when Hitler bit the dust, Doggett. 
It's very similar for us today.


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Doggett on May 02, 2011, 06:57:32 AM
Ask your grandparents how they felt when Hitler bit the dust, Doggett. 
It's very similar for us today.

I think the winning or the war was the relief. And I'm not too sure this is it. In fact, it could even get worse. I would've prefered Bin Laden to have waved the white flag or something. Anything to encourage extremists to think about or change their ways.

I still feel very uncomfortable about all this.

I can never be happy about a person's death.

 


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Mr. DS on May 02, 2011, 06:59:46 AM
I personally would love to p!ss on his watery grave, burn in hell you piece of sh!t and all others like you.  


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: claws on May 02, 2011, 07:14:27 AM
Am I only the person who feels uncomfortable about all this happiness from a mans death.

Look them up cheering and celebrating the 9/11 WTC attack and the deaths of 3,000 innocent people on youtube.
I think its only fair to cheer the death of one terrorist.


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: El Misfit on May 02, 2011, 07:33:51 AM

I still feel very uncomfortable about all this.


I think I can get to what your referring to. The extinct of the damage could very well be more horrible than imagined. think of glasnost, but only for Pakistan. The true horrors were shown after they relaxed censorship, maybe this will be the same.


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Doggett on May 02, 2011, 07:34:21 AM
Am I only the person who feels uncomfortable about all this happiness from a mans death.

Look them up cheering and celebrating the 9/11 WTC attack and the deaths of 3,000 innocent people on youtube.
I think its only fair to cheer the death of one terrorist.

Oh, so becuase the terrorists get happy from death we should too ?

No.

No exceptions to the rule for me. Death isn't good. I want my villians in prison.
Something tells me I might be alone in that so I'll stay away from this topic for a while.


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: AndyC on May 02, 2011, 07:39:53 AM
I would've prefered Bin Laden to have waved the white flag or something. Anything to encourage extremists to think about or change their ways.

Guys like Bin Laden don't do that. And if he did, his followers wouldn't take it as an example. They'd condemn him for it and follow somebody else. These guys are committed enough to their cause that they'll kill thousands of innocents. They won't have a change of heart because their leader threw in the towel. And putting him in prison gives them the added goal of getting him released.

Like it or not, this was probably the best way to deal with him.


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Derf on May 02, 2011, 08:17:30 AM
Am I only the person who feels uncomfortable about all this happiness from a mans death.

Look them up cheering and celebrating the 9/11 WTC attack and the deaths of 3,000 innocent people on youtube.
I think its only fair to cheer the death of one terrorist.

Oh, so becuase the terrorists get happy from death we should too ?

No.

No exceptions to the rule for me. Death isn't good. I want my villians in prison.
Something tells me I might be alone in that so I'll stay away from this topic for a while.

I can understand where you're coming from, Doggett, and I agree. I'm relieved that bin Laden is gone, and I am hopeful that Al Quaida won't be able to hold itself together without him, but death isn't something to celebrate in my opinion, either. In this case, I think it was necessary, though. I pray now that he doesn't gain martyr status and unite terrorist organizations.


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: claws on May 02, 2011, 08:43:39 AM
Am I only the person who feels uncomfortable about all this happiness from a mans death.

Look them up cheering and celebrating the 9/11 WTC attack and the deaths of 3,000 innocent people on youtube.
I think its only fair to cheer the death of one terrorist.

Oh, so becuase the terrorists get happy from death we should too ?

No.

No exceptions to the rule for me. Death isn't good. I want my villians in prison.
Something tells me I might be alone in that so I'll stay away from this topic for a while.

No need to stay away from this thread though. I might not agree but I understand and respect your opinion.



Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Mr. DS on May 02, 2011, 09:06:03 AM
Many people have no value on this earth Doggs...Bin Laden was one of them.


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 02, 2011, 09:59:04 AM
Did anybody else notice that ALL of Dr. Strangelove's postings in this thread have been deleted?  A habit he had under other names: stir everybody up (even those who might agree with him) and then delete his posts.  It's cowardly.


Doggett: you can see in my second posting in this thread that I don't think celebrating death is something I enjoy or approve of either.  But if I said I felt sorry for OSAMA BIN ASKIN FOR IT... I'd be lying.  I am not sorry for that murderous megalomaniac.  Good riddance! 


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Rev. Powell on May 02, 2011, 10:20:22 AM
Am I only the person who feels uncomfortable about all this happiness from a mans death.

Look them up cheering and celebrating the 9/11 WTC attack and the deaths of 3,000 innocent people on youtube.
I think its only fair to cheer the death of one terrorist.

Oh, so becuase the terrorists get happy from death we should too ?

No.

No exceptions to the rule for me. Death isn't good. I want my villians in prison.
Something tells me I might be alone in that so I'll stay away from this topic for a while.

I can understand where you're coming from, Doggett, and I agree. I'm relieved that bin Laden is gone, and I am hopeful that Al Quaida won't be able to hold itself together without him, but death isn't something to celebrate in my opinion, either. In this case, I think it was necessary, though. I pray now that he doesn't gain martyr status and unite terrorist organizations.

I'm with you too, Doggett.  I've never been a fan of an eye for an eye; I get no personal satisfaction from it.  I think the effect of this one death on national security is negligible.

Personally, I think the best result would have been for OBL to quietly die of kidney failure rather than to be martyred. 


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Doggett on May 02, 2011, 10:33:38 AM
Doggett: you can see in my second posting in this thread that I don't think celebrating death is something I enjoy or approve of either.  But if I said I felt sorry for OSAMA BIN ASKIN FOR IT... I'd be lying.  I am not sorry for that murderous megalomaniac.  Good riddance! 

I guess I did return to this thread.
Darn me.

I feel nothing for the guy, AHD.
I certianly don't feel sorry for him. He was a terrible man, a real villian. He wanted a war and got one.

But its that everyone seems so pleased with themselves thats freaking me out. And I really can't get happy about a mans death. It would just be so much more satisfying for me to see him behind bars. It would just destroy so much moral for the terrorists.

(Indy also gave congrats to Obama and that also freaked me out a little...  :wink:)

An eye of an eye makes everyone blind.
All the innocent people who have been killed are still dead, everything is still bleak in the middle east.


And by having no body (he was buried at sea, right?) is just going to add weight to the consiracy theorists.


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Newt on May 02, 2011, 10:43:09 AM
I'm with Doggett too.  I can be glad that Osama bin Laden is gone for good, and I am not sure how it could have ended otherwise, but I can also decline to join in celebrating a death.

Equating Osama bin Laden to Hitler is a bit over-the-top IMO.  I am sure we can put that reaction down to the emotions of the moment.  Quite understandable.

I saw the President's announcement (multiple times): it struck me he was playing it for maximum personal benefit.  (Got an election coming up soon?)  Any American President would have signed the same orders.  Obama just happens to be the one currently in office.

I agree the conspiracy theorists will be all over this - that's a given.

It also strikes me that being seen to celebrate in such a huge fashion only adds to Osama bin Laden's staure in the eyes of his supporters and followers.  It makes it look as though the Americans were unsure that they would be able to do it: makes Osama bin Laden look formidable; plays up the magnitude of his power and abilities.  Seems to me it would be far more effective in terms of psychological impact to act as though it were to be taken for granted: an air of confident superiority would be the greater insult.  Squashing him like an annoying insect.


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Chainsawmidget on May 02, 2011, 11:01:22 AM
Am I only the person who feels uncomfortable about all this happiness from a mans death.

He was a bad guy, but all this good cheer is creeping me out a little.
Killing him hasn't actually changed anything.
He was only a man by strictest legal definition. 

What we killed was a monster.   

As for whether it changed anything, it certainly made a lot of people happy and got rid of a major figure head.  If nothing else, it was a symbolic victory. 

If we'd caught him, there would have been all sorts of legal mumbo-jumbo that lasted for years and years, with him giving public statements and all sorts of garbage like that.  He would have had to have been locked away somewhere with people having to look after him and other people talking about wanting to free him.  The whole thing would have just been more trouble than it was worth.   Killing him was probably the best option we had.  It's done and over with.


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Javakoala on May 02, 2011, 12:06:20 PM
I somewhat side with Doggett. But my main thing is this: Bin Laden is dead. Okay, fine. Press the advantage NOW. Make sure that any confusion and in-fighting within his "forces" shreds that movement into non-existence. Do not spend enough time patting ourselves on the back that they have time to reform. Make his death be the first clear step to routing that line of his followers that would strike back in Bin Laden's name.


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: trekgeezer on May 02, 2011, 12:15:36 PM
He finally got what he deserved,  you all can think what you may, but bin laden's death brings closure to a lot of the relatives of those  who died on 9/11.

You wouldn't find me jumping for joy at his death, but if he were alive and prison it would cause constant unrest until he died even of natural causes. 

They did give him a proper muslim burial, and they did it at sea to keep any of his followers from building a shrine at his burial place.




Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: KYGOTC on May 02, 2011, 01:31:24 PM
Ask your grandparents how they felt when Hitler bit the dust, Doggett. 
It's very similar for us today.

I think the winning or the war was the relief. And I'm not too sure this is it. In fact, it could even get worse. I would've prefered Bin Laden to have waved the white flag or something. Anything to encourage extremists to think about or change their ways.

I still feel very uncomfortable about all this.

I can never be happy about a person's death.

 


Im with Dogget on this one. I'm also genuinley creeped out about how much people are getting off to the death of a human being. Did he do terrible things? sure. Does his death FIX any of those terrible things? No. This just shows that humanity has made no progress whatsoever and are still the blood-thirsty "eye for an eye" race that theyve been since the day man first existed. I'm actually scared, guys.


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: diamondwaspvenom on May 02, 2011, 01:55:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0pNPmgBh8w


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: AndyC on May 02, 2011, 02:20:46 PM
I passed the Toronto Sun box on my way to the post office earlier today and, true to form, they have a pic of Bin Laden on the front page, with the headline "ROT IN HELL!" in bold letters three or four inches high. Always sensational and utterly tasteless. Gotta love the Sun.


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Mr. DS on May 02, 2011, 02:26:14 PM
For the record, I don't believe in an eye for an eye.  I belive in two eyes for one eye much like Bas Rutten once said.   I will celebrate this man's death and the death of all others like him. 


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Chainsawmidget on May 02, 2011, 02:33:00 PM
Did anybody else notice that ALL of Dr. Strangelove's postings in this thread have been deleted?  A habit he had under other names: stir everybody up (even those who might agree with him) and then delete his posts.  It's cowardly.


Doggett: you can see in my second posting in this thread that I don't think celebrating death is something I enjoy or approve of either.  But if I said I felt sorry for OSAMA BIN ASKIN FOR IT... I'd be lying.  I am not sorry for that murderous megalomaniac.  Good riddance! 
Not just deleted.  He seems to have gone to Guest status. 


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Andrew on May 02, 2011, 04:05:03 PM
Did anybody else notice that ALL of Dr. Strangelove's postings in this thread have been deleted?  A habit he had under other names: stir everybody up (even those who might agree with him) and then delete his posts.  It's cowardly.

This was action by me.  I banned the account and deleted all posts that were not topic starters.  The only reason for not deleting all of his posts is to keep from entirely removing topics.


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: venomx on May 02, 2011, 04:36:25 PM
Cool... I read the news early today... so we finally got him. It's about damn time. Hooah!


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: indianasmith on May 02, 2011, 05:16:40 PM
Great comments from everyone.
I believe in justice, ultimately.  While his death does not "fix" anything, it is a matter of enormous symbolism for both sides in this ongoing war.  And it was just.  There are some crimes so horrific that the life of the criminal is the only balanced and symmetrical response to the enormity of their crime.
And, the quick burial at sea prevents his gravesite from becoming a shrine . . . although frankly, I would rather see him buried beneath a urinal in Central Park.

But, since I believe in a just God, I have no doubt that bin Laden is enjoying new accommodations that are also just and fair in proportion to the life he lived at the moment.

Which is, I think, what THE SUN expressed, albeit a bit more crudely.

And Andrew, thanks very much.  That guy was poison.


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on May 02, 2011, 05:23:42 PM

This day. as controversial as it is, is also a day of closure.

Those of America's Armed Forces, and our Allies who gave their lives alongside them can truly Rest In Peace, knowing that your mission has finally been accomplished.

And to the 9\11 victims, and all people who either died in, or survived every attack since 9\11, may you also find your closure, be you still with us on Earth or among the stars with your fellow victims.  Rest now, gentle souls.


And finally, I raise my glass to Bin Laden:

May the 72 Virgin Brides you've been rewarded with actually be a bunch of guys, and may you spend your eternity getting butt-fu*ked by them over and over again, with a pack of camels taking over for them every now and then.

Enjoy hell, motherfu*ker   :smile:


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 02, 2011, 08:53:32 PM
Did anybody else notice that ALL of Dr. Strangelove's postings in this thread have been deleted?  A habit he had under other names: stir everybody up (even those who might agree with him) and then delete his posts.  It's cowardly.
This was action by me.  I banned the account and deleted all posts that were not topic starters.  The only reason for not deleting all of his posts is to keep from entirely removing topics.
In this instance, apparently Dr. Strangelove did not delete his posts in this thread.  I was wrong, as it was a necessary action by the webmaster.  I must apologize to the banned individual's memory since I did say he was "cowardly" here.  Well, he wasn't cowardly here... but elsewhere?  Well, the trail is there for any interested party, though it's now cold.  This individual deceived all of us, sadly.  There were real contributions to be made by this former member.  I think it's sad as I liked... not BarackClinton, but that first fellow. 


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: indianasmith on May 02, 2011, 11:49:59 PM
I'm stumped.  What "former member" do you think was masquerading as Barack Clinton, and then Dr. Strangelove?

Please tell me it wasn't CHEEZEFLIX!! :buggedout:


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: RCMerchant on May 03, 2011, 05:19:48 AM
Dumped him in the ocean,eh? Shoulda flushed him down the toilet. Piece of sh1t excuse for a human being. Good riddance to bad garbage.

I just hope some poor shark didn't eat him...might make the shark sick.


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Jack on May 03, 2011, 07:03:08 AM
I'm stumped.  What "former member" do you think was masquerading as Barack Clinton, and then Dr. Strangelove?

I'm confused as well.  Sounds interesting, but I always seem to miss out on the good controversies   :bouncegiggle: 


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on May 04, 2011, 09:56:51 PM
And now that the biggest game of all has been bagged and tagged, the White House wants us to go on their "word" that Bin Laden is actually dead. 

Personally, I feel they should show them. 

Sure, the hatred coming from the Middle East and Pakistan at this time ( and the amount of controversy arising from his killing) is some proof that it's true, but some visual confirmation would be nice too.   Sometimes word is not enough.

But the feeling is is that doing so would incite more anger and all that stuff, so apparently we'll never get to see it. Seems the White House more interested in keeping Al Qaeda and The Taliban pacified than proving his word to the American people.


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 04, 2011, 10:17:10 PM
And now that the biggest game of all has been bagged and tagged, the White House wants us to go on their "word" that Bin Laden is actually dead. 
Personally, I feel they should show them. 
Sure, the hatred coming from the Middle East and Pakistan at this time ( and the amount of controversy arising from his killing) is some proof that it's true, but some visual confirmation would be nice too.   Sometimes word is not enough.

But the feeling is is that doing so would incite more anger and all that stuff, so apparently we'll never get to see it. Seems the White House more interested in keeping Al Qaeda and The Taliban pacified than proving his word to the American people.
"Pacified"?  "Pacified"??   :question:  He just authorized the Navy Seals to assassinate Al Qaeda's leader. 
OBAMA stated that he did not want to display "trophies".  Though I'm curious to see such picture too, I agree with our President.  OSAMA BIN LADEN is dead


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: AndyC on May 04, 2011, 10:29:31 PM
And now that the biggest game of all has been bagged and tagged, the White House wants us to go on their "word" that Bin Laden is actually dead. 
Personally, I feel they should show them. 
Sure, the hatred coming from the Middle East and Pakistan at this time ( and the amount of controversy arising from his killing) is some proof that it's true, but some visual confirmation would be nice too.   Sometimes word is not enough.

But the feeling is is that doing so would incite more anger and all that stuff, so apparently we'll never get to see it. Seems the White House more interested in keeping Al Qaeda and The Taliban pacified than proving his word to the American people.
"Pacified"?  "Pacified"??   :question:  He just authorized the Navy Seals to assassinate Al Qaeda's leader. 
OBAMA stated that he did not want to display "trophies".  Though I'm curious to see such picture too, I agree with our President.  OSAMA BIN LADEN is dead

And anybody who doubts it isn't going to be convinced by pictures anyway.

When you think about it, this is not something anyone is going to lie about. If Obama said Bin Laden was dead and it wasn't true, Al Quaeda would know, and so would the rest of us, because Al Jazeera would be getting a video from old fur face with proof to the contrary. If he's not dead (and I have no reason to believe he isn't), he's at least out of circulation. And to me it makes no difference if he's dead or locked up in a very deep hole with no trial or chance of release.


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on May 10, 2011, 11:41:53 PM
And now that the biggest game of all has been bagged and tagged, the White House wants us to go on their "word" that Bin Laden is actually dead. 
Personally, I feel they should show them. 
Sure, the hatred coming from the Middle East and Pakistan at this time ( and the amount of controversy arising from his killing) is some proof that it's true, but some visual confirmation would be nice too.   Sometimes word is not enough.

But the feeling is is that doing so would incite more anger and all that stuff, so apparently we'll never get to see it. Seems the White House more interested in keeping Al Qaeda and The Taliban pacified than proving his word to the American people.

"Pacified"?  "Pacified"??   :question:  He just authorized the Navy Seals to assassinate Al Qaeda's leader. 
OBAMA stated that he did not want to display "trophies".  Though I'm curious to see such picture too, I agree with our President.  OSAMA BIN LADEN is dead

I just read this (as I haven't been on in awhile) but I guess I should explain.

I agree with you and Andy C that Osama is indeed dead and gone (and good riddance) because it's true that this is something no President would lie about, and that Al Qaeda and the Taliban have proved. This is not an issue with me.

What I meant by pacification, was Obama's unwillingness to show the picture, as it might "anger" the extremists or some people back home who disagree with our actions, is sort of wrong.

Al Qaeda videotaped behadings of people in Iraq a few years back,  slit the throat of Daniel Pearl, and have repeatedly done the lowest possible things to other humans that could be imagined.

And I personally feel, regardless of the controversy, that we should celebrate the passing of this low life piece of sh*t regardless of what anyone thinks, by shoving it back in their faces.

The war is going to escalate anyhow now as a result, so what harm will it do? Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. Someone will probabaly leak the photo in time, anyway.


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Jim H on May 11, 2011, 12:29:43 PM
So..  You're saying the US government should act like Al-Qaeda even when there is nothing to be gained by doing so?


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: AndyC on May 11, 2011, 02:10:02 PM
I think they've sent a perfect message by handling the deliberate killing of a hated enemy in a tasteful and respectful manner, with a proper Muslim funeral and some discretion with regard to photos and grisly details. I think it's right precisely because Al Quaeda have demonstrated repeatedly that they would not do the same in that situation. America, on the other hand, will not deny even Osama Bin Laden some dignity in death. It clearly demonstrates the difference between one side and the other.


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 11, 2011, 02:53:29 PM
I think they've sent a perfect message by handling the deliberate killing of a hated enemy in a tasteful and respectful manner, with a proper Muslim funeral and some discretion with regard to photos and grisly details. I think it's right precisely because Al Quaeda have demonstrated repeatedly that they would not do the same in that situation. America, on the other had, will not deny even Osama Bin Laden some dignity in death. It clearly demonstrates the difference between one side and the other.
Thoughtful remarks, well stated. 


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: lester1/2jr on May 11, 2011, 05:45:05 PM
I'm a law of the jungle kind of guy as you all well know by now. The guy perpetuated what will probably go down as the greatest/ most horrible spectacle in modern history. That the country who was attacked would hunt him down and kill him ...if you are shocked or suprised by that you are pretty naive.


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on May 18, 2011, 01:49:24 AM
So..  You're saying the US government should act like Al-Qaeda even when there is nothing to be gained by doing so?

Appreciate your reply, but the fact is is that you don't win a street fight by hitting above the belt.  I guess maybe we'll throw milk and cookies at them the next time and see what that gets us....



Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Jim H on May 18, 2011, 11:51:38 AM
So..  You're saying the US government should act like Al-Qaeda even when there is nothing to be gained by doing so?

Appreciate your reply, but the fact is is that you don't win a street fight by hitting above the belt.  I guess maybe we'll throw milk and cookies at them the next time and see what that gets us....



You agreed it would anger extremists and implied it might escalate the war (by saying it is going to escalate regardless) and you offered no actual logical reason to release the photo.  So...  I guess this is the stage where I stop talking.


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 18, 2011, 04:48:25 PM
So..  You're saying the US government should act like Al-Qaeda even when there is nothing to be gained by doing so?
Appreciate your reply, but the fact is is that you don't win a street fight by hitting above the belt.  I guess maybe we'll throw milk and cookies at them the next time and see what that gets us....
What are you talking about?  We hit Al Qaeda HARD and a clear message has been sent.  You are just too partisan.  At our President's order, our NAVY SEALS killed the fiend.  The photos weren't to be released because the USA doesn't need to display trophies.  Milk and cookies?  That's just a prejudiced, officious, unwarranted remark.  Silly in fact.  'Kay, you don't like OBAMA.   :lookingup:


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: AndyC on May 19, 2011, 07:08:20 AM
So..  You're saying the US government should act like Al-Qaeda even when there is nothing to be gained by doing so?

Appreciate your reply, but the fact is is that you don't win a street fight by hitting above the belt.  I guess maybe we'll throw milk and cookies at them the next time and see what that gets us....

You certainly don't win a street fight by pointless grandstanding.


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on May 22, 2011, 09:21:05 PM


What are you talking about?  We hit Al Qaeda HARD and a clear message has been sent.  You are just too partisan.  At our President's order, our NAVY SEALS killed the fiend.  The photos weren't to be released because the USA doesn't need to display trophies.  Milk and cookies?  That's just a prejudiced, officious, unwarranted remark.  Silly in fact.  'Kay, you don't like OBAMA.   :lookingup:

Hmm..I can understand "unwarranted" and "officious", but how in the heck is
"milk and cookies"  a prejudiced statement?  :question:

Second, I'm not falling for your assumptions that my disagreement with Obama's policies (or anyone else's disagreements with them) is hatred in any way shape or form.  That was never the case, regardless of the monotone ramblings of Keith Olberman or any other Media pundit who made up this BS.

You pulled it on Indy and I before, but this is where it stops.

Now, as to the photo issue, I'll address you and Jim H here:
You agreed it would anger extremists and implied it might escalate the war (by saying it is going to escalate regardless) and you offered no actual logical reason to release the photo.  So...  I guess this is the stage where I stop talking.

Yes I DID say the war would escalate now that the Al Qaeda's Top Turban is history. So would it really matter if Al Qaeda is angered at this point?  No. So show us the money. What does it matter at this point? Show the photo.

Oh but this will undoubtedly get labelled as shameful celebration and gloating by some (if not all) and to that, I say this:

I have no doubt that some of the lawmakers themselves have lived it up behind closed doors and walked around with hard-ons and attitudes in their  own private time in and away from The Hill after getting Bin Laden.  And if anyone says they haven't, then beachfront property in Arizona is up for sale at 3.9 % fixed for the life of the loan...






Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 23, 2011, 01:52:38 PM
What are you talking about?  We hit Al Qaeda HARD and a clear message has been sent.  You are just too partisan.  At our President's order, our NAVY SEALS killed the fiend.  The photos weren't to be released because the USA doesn't need to display trophies.  Milk and cookies?  That's just a prejudiced, officious, unwarranted remark.  Silly in fact.  'Kay, you don't like OBAMA.   :lookingup:
Hmm..I can understand "unwarranted" and "officious", but how in the heck is
"milk and cookies"  a prejudiced statement?  :question:
Prejudiced against our Democrat President, because he is a Democrat.  Uhm... "prejudiced" does not necessarily mean "racist".   :lookingup:  

Second, I'm not falling for your assumptions that my disagreement with Obama's policies (or anyone else's disagreements with them) is hatred in any way shape or form.  That was never the case, regardless of the monotone ramblings of Keith Olberman or any other Media pundit who made up this BS.
You pulled it on Indy and I before, but this is where it stops...
First, you don't "like" OBAMA (and the word "hate" was never used).

Second, I never "pulled" anything on you and dragging Indiana into your need to argue is also unwarranted.  Indianasmith is my friend whom I often disagree with, and sometimes debate with - always respectfully.  You don't need to invoke anyone else to explain or excuse your behavior.  It speaks for itself.  Don't hide behind someone else. I don't need to.  I'll defend somebody, but I won't hide behind anyone.  

Third, what needs to stop is your assumptions, failure to construe true meaning in my postings (and I'll go there) or anyone else's that you disagree with, and constant politicizing of threads that are NOT political.  

Fourth, I had made the effort to make peace with you and also offered friendship.  Friends can disagree, but friends do not drag up old crap that you imagine happened (and in the process remind me of being hideously insulted repeatedly by you).  I do think I wrote way back when that you were a "dimwit" so I'll own insulting you back.  That is "insulting you back" as in repaying in kind.  So, it's water over the dam; don't bring it up.  
And I will not argue with you further, but, dude, know who you are and own it.  


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on May 23, 2011, 04:42:10 PM
First, you don't "like" OBAMA (and the word "hate" was never used).

Dosen't mean that I don't have the right to question you or your context of the wording.  I have a right to know, as you or anyone do, the right to question the context of another's semantics when lodging an accusation or assessing the context of a word lodged in accusation of a certain behavior.

I could say the same for you when you drew your own line between "ascended" and "risen" when you needed to invalidate and contradict Indy's definition of the phrase  "Risen Jesus" in the Easter thread awhile back, because you differed with him as per your stark religious differences.

You questioned his context, and therefore,  it is my right to question you on your context when you address me. As you also have the right to agree or not.

Second, I never "pulled" anything on you and dragging Indiana into your need to argue is also unwarranted.  Indianasmith is my friend whom I often disagree with, and sometimes debate with - always respectfully.  You don't need to invoke anyone else to explain or excuse your behavior.  It speaks for itself.  Don't hide behind someone else. I don't need to.  I'll defend somebody, but I won't hide behind anyone.

I'm not hiding behind anyone. You have done it to both Indy and I before.
You have openly laughed and criticized both of us in past threads.

And then, you use the fact that you and Indy are "long time friends" to excuse his criticisms,  while you throw me under the bus because I'm the newbie that talks circles around you in my own right.

So you are indeed making a fool out of and using Indy by taking his friendship for granted when it comes to either accepting or deflecting criticism. 

Third, what needs to stop is your assumptions, failure to construe true meaning in my postings (and I'll go there) or anyone else's that you disagree with, and constant politicizing of threads that are NOT political.
 

Back at ya', bud. Try reading my stuff and making an effort to understand before you relegate it to "over-rationalization."  As well as realizing that right or wrong I have a right to opine just as much as anyone else regardless of it's interpretation.

Fourth, I had made the effort to make peace with you and also offered friendship.  Friends can disagree, but friends do not drag up old crap that you imagine happened (and in the process remind me of being hideously insulted repeatedly by you).

I HAVE lived by the peace accord. I'm not trying to insult you now, and I have not called you any names. And I thank you for doing the same. But I have rights too.

I am simply asking questions I am perfectly entitled to ask, and questioning certain behaviors as well. I am also perfectly entitled to know where my fellow boardmembers stand on the issues as well, morally, politically or otherwise.

I'm sorry if my deeper nature offends you. If digging deeper helps me to get true feelings of a person, so be it. Sometimes, assumptions get people to relay their true feelings, as they open up and defend their TRUE positions in a way others can truly feel and appreciate. And right or wrong, honesty deserves respect.  There's no black and white roadmap to getting the true feelings of an individual, sometimes it calls for alternate measures.

I do think I wrote way back when that you were a "dimwit" so I'll own insulting you back.  That is "insulting you back" as in repaying in kind.  So, it's water over the dam; don't bring it up.

Hasn't been brought up at all, save for your mention of it here.  It's all good.

And I will not argue with you further, but, dude, know who you are and own it

As I ask you to do the same.  Peace out.  :cheers:


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 23, 2011, 05:46:06 PM
...And then, you use the fact that you and Indy are "long time friends" to excuse his criticisms,  while you throw me under the bus because I'm the newbie that talks circles around you in my own right....
...snicker...  :bouncegiggle:
I can't breathe... it's smoky in here... =cough= =cough=  Whatzit...?  Whozat?  Oh!  It's a mirror!   :buggedout:


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: indianasmith on May 24, 2011, 06:44:37 AM
Umaril, you are being argumentative.

Ding dong, the (*&*%#!! is dead!

Let's high five and move one! :cheers:


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on May 24, 2011, 08:17:20 PM
Umaril, you are being argumentative.

Ding dong, the (*&*%#!! is dead!

Let's high five and move one! :cheers:

OK...here's the deal:

Now, I'm not being argumentative as much as throwing the ball back at AHD.

I was defending you back on page 4, not "dragging you into my fight" as AHD stated. I do see a pattern where he has a tendency to use you sometimes, as he lures you in with topical agreement on a topic, and then starts on you when he has you where he wants you.

That's not fair to you, for him to call you a friend and then pull this on you when he has you in his corner. Any more than it is for him to take anything and everything I say and automatically dismiss it to suit the belief system of his own little world. 

And this to me, is a bit hypocritical considering I was told by AHD to "know who I am and own it" when he seems to not be able to do the same with his own dismissive and unappreciative nature.

Be that as is, he's not the only person here, and there ARE those who HAVE heard my words, and who have appreciated them, yourself included. Thanks to you and to them  :smile:

I have no problem going out on a limb to state\clarify\correct my statements, but my words should be at least be read and considered before being dismissed because someone wants to continue something that should have ended awhile back.

That is ALL I have ever asked. Again, peace to you  :smile:

Umaril




Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: indianasmith on May 24, 2011, 08:43:25 PM
Umaril, this thread is going nowhere!
You are flogging a dead horse and beating up on my friend. 
I also happen to consider you a friend, but really, even though you and I may stand in the same ideaological corner most of the time, you are jumping this guy's case for no good reason.
I respectfully ask you to chill.  And if you can't then leave me out of it.

And - AHD - the picture is funny, but not helping anything.

Can we please be done now?


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 24, 2011, 08:58:23 PM
Thanks L, I removed the picture.  You do try to be a moderator.


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on May 24, 2011, 09:42:14 PM
Umaril, this thread is going nowhere!
You are flogging a dead horse and beating up on my friend. 
I also happen to consider you a friend, but really, even though you and I may stand in the same ideaological corner most of the time, you are jumping this guy's case for no good reason.
I respectfully ask you to chill.  And if you can't then leave me out of it.

And - AHD - the picture is funny, but not helping anything.

Can we please be done now?

Yeah, I agree, it's going nowhere, because you said it yourself:

AHD isn't helping.  I see he took the picture down though.

Did either of you ever see ME doing anything like that?  NO, you DIDN'T.

I didn't namecall in this thread, I didn't swear,  I didn't deliberately flamebait as AHD tried to do with his little visual stint.   Aside from this running battle, I have mostly behaved.

And again, Indy, I never intended to drag you into anything. That is the way I saw it, I commented on it, and if I was wrong, I was wrong. Anyone can be wrong.

I respect you, and the fact that we are usually harmonious in our conservative viewpoints, but you were wrong about me, and I'm politely telling you in light of our usually agreeable nature.  Fair enough?

Additionally, based on AHD and the fact that he "wasn't helping" (as you yourself admitted) perhaps you should review this action as well as his past actions, and lodge some criticism for him too.  A street does run both ways.

Peace to both of you   :cheers:





Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Newt on May 25, 2011, 08:59:40 AM
One more time: Not helping, Umaril!

*Sigh* Boys just have to have that last kick at the can.

If you must continue, take it private.   :lookingup:


Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 27, 2011, 12:50:59 AM
Yeah, I agree, it's going nowhere, because you said it yourself:
AHD isn't helping.  I see he took the picture down though.
Did either of you ever see ME doing anything like that?  NO, you DIDN'T.
I didn't namecall in this thread, I didn't swear,  I didn't deliberately flamebait as AHD tried to do with his little visual stint.   Aside from this running battle, I have mostly behaved.
And again, Indy, I never intended to drag you into anything. That is the way I saw it, I commented on it, and if I was wrong, I was wrong. Anyone can be wrong.
I respect you, and the fact that we are usually harmonious in our conservative viewpoints, but you were wrong about me, and I'm politely telling you in light of our usually agreeable nature.  Fair enough?
Additionally, based on AHD and the fact that he "wasn't helping" (as you yourself admitted) perhaps you should review this action as well as his past actions, and lodge some criticism for him too.  A street does run both ways.
Peace to both of you   :cheers:
Utu, I tease everybody, and it's not what you describe at all.  But, life is too short for anger here at Badmovies, my favorite internet haunt.  So, I once again offer you olive branch.  Know this: we may disagree about nearly everything, and I expect we will again, but I never intend it to be personal.  I am sincere.  I might surprise you. 
I offer you my hand in friendship.