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Been reading true crime stories lately, and my morbid curiosity continues: Did you known somebody personally who was murdered?
I don't, though we had two people murdered in our town in a span of 30 years.

YOU CAN'T PROVE ANYTHING!  I have an alibi... I was online here.
-Ed

What is this an interrogation?! Dig up the whole damn backyard, you won't find any dead hookers! I swear I'm clean man!

afaik I've never personally met anyone who has been subsequently murdered...I'm sure it's the kind of thing you'd remember cause it would be pretty shocking to find out, I'd imagine

But will I find an angora sweater?

Haven't known anyone personally that's been murdered but I did see a kid get run over and killed when I was in high school.

Not yet.

Nope, but I did work with a murderer.  I think I only saw him in the break room once, and I might have asked if he had some change for the candy machine.  He later raped a woman and threw her into a gorge to her death.

Yes, I buried an Angora sweater. I'm trying to grow an Angora sweater tree.

Wait... Actually I did once run into a guy in line at a bar/club and we small talked in line for drinks (we had some friends in common).  He went missing some months later and was found dead.

http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Will_Hendrick

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I had an employee at work who was murdered. He was beaten up a few times, and one morning I came in and he had been murdered, beaten to death.

I worked briefly with a guy who was later found murdered in his car. He'd apparently gotten into a "situation" with some local drug dealers.

But I also had a teacher in grad school who is currently serving a life sentence for brutally murdering his wife. He was my linguistics teacher. Apparently, his wife (ex-wife actually--they had just divorced) was threatening to move across the country and take their daughter with her. He didn't like that, killed her, and then tried to O.J. Simpson his way out of it. Unfortunately for him, he wasn't a celebrity, he was white, and he didn't hire Johnny Cochran to defend him. From what I recall, he kept trying tactics like, "If I wanted to murder her, I'd have done it this way." He tried playing it too cool and was convicted. This was the same school where another professor, this one married with two daughters, showed up drunk at my apartment one night and started hitting on me. It wasn't the first time he had done something like this. I felt very sorry for his wife and daughters.  :bluesad:

I cannot say I personally ever knew a murder victim but I did briefly meet a girl, who very sadly would later become a victim of murder, when I bought my current PC used from her sister. The whole thing was very tragic given it happened in a small town about 20 minutes drive from me. Everyone around here was completely shocked and stunned and the details were horrific...she was a single mom who was attacked by a much too possessive ex-boyfriend who slit her throat  :buggedout: apparently with her toddler in the house. He shortly thereafter hanged himself. Very grim and shocking for a town with perhaps a couple of hundred people.

Yes. It was back in the 1980's when my younger son was playing soccer on a travel team. It was the mother of one of his co players.  She worked a late shift at a post office about 45 minutes from her home. She had gotten home about 1 in the morning from her job and was shot and killed in her own driveway.  It turned out that her husband had hired someone to to do it so that he could collect on her life insurance policy. The story was in all the papers and on the news.  Very sad.

Technically yes, but I don't remember him.  My parents knew a guy in the mid 90s who, in 1999, was found dead in a ditch.  His ex-wife and her boyfriend were arrested and she got quite a bit of prison time.  Apparently I'd met him, but I have no recollection of him or anything. 

Is it murder if they dont find the body?  Cause if anyone says otherwise I'm gonna sue.  And you can't prove anything anyway!!!!!

My dignity was murdered in high school when I was beaten up and spermicidal jelly was rubbed in my face.


On the plus side, my face has never gotten pregnant.

That is bang out of order!  :hatred: High school is such an unforgiving place...

s**t...
These people would really deserve some beating. I mean the "every bone in the body is broken" kind of beating...

Yes.  I used to hang out with a buddy named Ryan and he always had this couple hanging out over at his place.  Everyone called the guy "Turtle" and I can't remember what the girl's name was.  Both were really friendly and we all hung out numerous times watching movies, smoking pot, playing Magic the Gathering and video games etc...  This would've been around 1994 or '95

I remember dropping Turtle and his girlfriend off at a local mall and two days later they were both all over the news.
Apparently, they checked themselves into a local motel with the intentions of killing each other in a suicide pact.  Why they wanted to do this I'll never know because they seemed so happy.
I later found out that their plan was to each hold razor sharp knives and slice each other's throats simultaneously.
Turtle killed her but she didn't kill him.  Turtle got a life sentence.

One of my former neighbors, a lady name Lisa Chandler from Wolfe City, TX disappeared without a trace four years ago.  I'm sure she was killed.  We were quite close to her and her husband Pat before my kids were born.  Even went on vacation to Florida with them one year.  Then she and Pat split up.  He moved off and remarried; she continued to live in a trailer right there on the highway with their youngest son.  One day her sister came over and found the door open and Lisa just gone . . . bloodhounds tracked her scent down the roadside to about a mile from the house, then it simply disappeared.  She apparently got in a car with someone . . . and was never seen again.
Still creeps me out.

I love it how bad situations always have an upside :teddyr:

Growing up during a civil war as I did: too damn many and ultimately for nothing.  :bluesad:

Yes. My first ex-wife's boyfreind Steve. My brother in law Leroy Wons shot him in the back with a 12 gauge shotgun.He's in prison.
My long ago (80's) girlfreind Kerrie Noble.-both her mom,Roberta, and dad,Karl, were murdered in there beds and there house burned down by drug addicts. There in prison.
I knew a gay guy named John from Paw Paw. His body was found in a field. He was stabbed to death. They never found his killer.
I went to school with a guy named Fausintino Martinez-he was stabbed to death at the county fair in Hartford.His killer is in prison.
Penny Miller-a very good freind in school and a sweeet girl-her boyfreind murdered her and buried the body in his back yard. He's currently awaiting trial.
Robert Slevatz-neighbor to my uncle Ronny,murdered by his girlfreind Karla- the day after Roberta and Karl Noble were killed. WEIRD.

For such a po-dunk county-lotsa killing going on.

That's a lot of people... How did you handle all of this? I mean, not all of them were close friends, but still...It must've been hard.

Leroy shooting Steve was a mess. Leroy and his wife Corky lived with me for 2 years. They watched my kids for 2 years while I worked. My kids freaked out when it happened. They were still in grade school.
I knew Roberta and Karl since I was a kid. After the murder Kerrie came and lived with me for a couple months,being as her house had been burned to the ground. We remain  close freinds to this day.
http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2005/06/suspect_says_couple_slain_for.html

I briefly dated Penny Miller in the 80's. She went missing 3 years ago...they found the body on a tip a couple of months ago.
http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2011/04/penny_miller_the_missing_hartf.html

As for dealing with it....I dunno. Watching my wife die of cancer was harder than any of this.

Saddly, my cusin's 4 month-old baby was murdered by his crazy girlfriend (yep the childs mother) although she and her boyfriend (not my cusin) claimed it was an accident and from my understanding the two served 3 years in prison. I'd seen the baby once, as for my cusin goes, he often says how hurt he was about the death of his son. I sometimes would like to believe he was hurt but I know at the time he didnt want to assume the responsability of being a dad and was happy to kick his girlfriend (with his baby) out of the house after he found out she was cheating on him. Yep, she was cheating within a month after the birth.

I believe it was 10 or 12 years ago...

3 Years??? They should have been hung by the neck untill dead.  :hatred:

I also believe the prision term was too short but this is Chicago and they typically never have the room for prisioners so the punishment is always shorten.

They could make room in prisons if the death penalty is used.

I'm for chain gangs and death penalty... I also believe you cannot rehabilitate a prisoner (legaly under the constution since it requres brainwashing and a forced structural change of the individual) therefore Prison should be a deterrent and getting off based upon good behavior should be thrown out the window.

But that's me... :)

I've got no problem with the death penalty, as long as due process prevails and no innocent people are being convicted. As long as that's the case, fry 'em. As far as the "cruel and unusual punishment" issue you are referring to, I'm not so sure about that. Is rehabilitation qualifiy as cruel and unusual punishment? I depends on the method used. I say if a prisoner seeks out rehabilitation, it is not punishment, let alone cruel and unusual. I think you're putting a Clockwork Orange spin on things. I think if a prisoner genuinely wants to rehabilitate, that option should be available. I know you and I had a nasty back and forth some time back, and I'm not going to get into that with you again, because I really don't wish to, I just don't go along with you on the rehabilitation issue, or, at the very least, I don't define it the same way. I am a constitutionalist at my core, but I'm realistic enough to realize that the constitution is not always as clearcut as I would like it to be.

I dont think I need to get into this topic.

That's okay. I was hoping for you to expand. I assure you I'm not going to let myself get swept into something like we had with the drug debate. I just don't understand what you mean. I don't know how rehabilitation would be considered cruel and unusual punishment as it is defined by the constitution or by legal precedent. I understand that rehabilitation is not a constiutional right, nor should it be, but that's a different matter than if rehabilitation constitutes cruel and unusual punishment. I honestly tried to find some kind of precedent establishing it as such and I couldn't find anything. Perhaps I'm simply misuderstanding your intent.

I was referring to the part of the Constitution that says Government cannot make me drink diet soda even though drinking diet soda may help me lose weight. The reason why the Healthcare Law is Unconstitutional and will be repealed in 2012.


Captivity simply doesnt rehabilitate. A newly caught lion in the cage is no different then another lion in a cage for 10 years. Either lion would attack if they have the chance.


For rehabilitation a prisoner to work you need to force a change upon the mentality that crimal activity is not an option. Brainwashing is the only known method, Clockwork Orange is the most extreme example but even less several methods is still illegal.



Sorry, if you need to know more on my thoughts of rehabilitation you can dig up the You Know What Really Grinds My Gears? thread.

Soda? Lions? I don't get it.

Hey, if you think that rehabilitation is unwarranted, ineffective, can't be done, etc. that's your opinion. I'm just asking how it's illegal. I haven't found anything in the consititution or in legal precedence that suggests it is. If I've missed something I am eager to learn.

Government cannot make you do anything that you dont want to, therefore there is no possible way a criminal can become rehabilitate, especially while they are serving a prison term. If any acts were made or attempted is illegal.

if you want to talk more about this topic you could send me a personal message and I'll be happy to talk one on one later. But I dont want to talk about this subject anymore on this thread.

I personally don't support the death penalty (we don't have it in Canada) because too many innocent people have gone to jail and been proven guilty for crimes they never committed already in this country and I wouldn't want an innocent person to end up dying for a crime they never actually committed. Still I do think sentences for crimes should be stiffer and should not be limited by age.

S**t.  Glad you are okay.  The worst thing that ever happened to me in high school was being tackled during a flag football game.

I don't think you know what 'rehabilitate' really means.



No.

Also, might be a second one for me, the guy was in a medically induced come last I heard.

I don't think you know what 'rehabilitate' really means. Also, if the government can't make people do anything they don't want to do, then why are all those people in prison in the first place?



No.