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Title: Is This Video Offensive?
Post by: Ash on July 06, 2011, 05:22:49 AM
NSFW!!!!

The idea for "Capture the Fag" originally came up as a joke during a lunch break at one of my past Airsoft events.  Instead of Capturing the Flag, we'd try to capture a flamin' gay guy.  We eventually said "F**k it." and went ahead and did it because to our knowledge, no one has ever done this in the world of Airsoft.
We decided to push the boundaries a little.
I'm the one running the camera and commenting.

Is this video offensive?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iV2vxkTvSA

What do you think?




Title: Re: Is This Video Offensive?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 06, 2011, 05:32:03 AM
 :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle:
I'm not offended. Then again I'm not gay...

We usta play a game called "Smear the Queer" in school....


Title: Re: Is This Video Offensive?
Post by: AndyC on July 06, 2011, 08:12:30 AM
A little. I'm not offended personally, but I can see where some people probably would be. Might be controversial enough to make for some good viral marketing if some group or other gets outraged enough. Oddly enough, I think it would probably offend fewer people if you used a real fag, rather than a straight guy wearing a colourful shirt and acting like a sissy. I think the portrayal is going to draw more disapproval than the whole premise of the game.

Me, I think it's in good fun. Seems like a lot of trouble for a bad pun though. :teddyr:


Title: Re: Is This Video Offensive?
Post by: macabre on July 06, 2011, 01:59:19 PM
HI
I gotta say this video made my day,this is f**king hilarious.I am not down on gays makes no s**t what you are, Ash i wish i could join in one of the airsoft venues you hold. Keep on enjoying your hobby and promise to make some more video's.


Title: Re: Is This Video Offensive?
Post by: venomx on July 06, 2011, 02:04:40 PM
(http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000202155/polls_simmons_4224_448623_answer_3_xlarge.jpeg)


Title: Re: Is This Video Offensive?
Post by: AndyC on July 06, 2011, 02:12:11 PM
([url]http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000202155/polls_simmons_4224_448623_answer_3_xlarge.jpeg[/url])

Now if they were trying to capture someone resembling (and acting like) Richard Simmons, the video would be ten times funnier. :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: Is This Video Offensive?
Post by: Psycho Circus on July 06, 2011, 02:35:06 PM
I wasn't personally offended by that, but I could see how some people would be if you are out there promoting it. If it's just between you and your usual group of buddies then fine, it's just for a laugh. "Flag", "Fag" it's not hard to see how that came about. In this day and age most people are sick of being "PC" and worrying about stereotypes, but on the same hand it can take one person to find something inappropriate and then there's uproar from all quarters.


Title: Re: Is This Video Offensive?
Post by: SPazzo on July 07, 2011, 12:57:47 AM
Hmm...  Well, as someone who identifies as bi-sexual, and knows a lot of openly gay people, I honestly don't find it that offensive.  I can see how people would find it offensive, but then again, most of those people would just be the types who like to stir up trouble to get attention and make mountains out of molehills.  I actually thought it was pretty funny.  I showed it to a friend of mine who is extremely big on the whole stop using the word fag ideal, and he doesn't even think it's that bad.  So long as you're not actually trying to capture a gay person, I'm cool with it. :tongueout:

I'd still be careful, and be ready in case someone tries to start some sh!t, but otherwise I think it's fine.


(And yes, this is the first time I've talked about my sexuality on this board. :lookingup: )


Title: Re: Is This Video Offensive?
Post by: AndyC on July 07, 2011, 09:14:24 AM
I think what makes me laugh the most is how they keep alternating between gay jokes and apologies. :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: Is This Video Offensive?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 07, 2011, 11:33:19 AM
The word "fag" is equatable with words like "niqqer" "kike" "b***h"...  I'm not offended, but I do think it's stupid.


Title: Re: Is This Video Offensive?
Post by: AndyC on July 07, 2011, 12:10:01 PM
The word "fag" is equatable with words like "niqqer" "kike" "b***h"...  I'm not offended, but I do think it's stupid.

That was the one thing that bothered me, that "fag" is just about the most derogatory term there is for a homosexual. It's pretty much always used as an expression of ridicule or contempt, unlike some of the other slang terms that seem to get played with more. In this case, the joke won't work with any other word, however. So again, hell of a lot of trouble for a bad pun.


Title: Re: Is This Video Offensive?
Post by: Ed, Ego and Superego on July 07, 2011, 02:41:49 PM
Video, not all that offensive.  Concept, pretty much so. 
-Ed


Title: Re: Is This Video Offensive?
Post by: venomx on July 07, 2011, 02:49:42 PM
Is not the word "fag" in the UK mean cigarette? Someone told me that along time ago...

I dont mean to offend anyone with that word, just asking, to each is own I say.


Title: Re: Is This Video Offensive?
Post by: Psycho Circus on July 07, 2011, 02:52:06 PM
Is not the word "fag" in the UK mean cigarette? Someone told me that along time ago...

Yes


Title: Re: Is This Video Offensive?
Post by: venomx on July 07, 2011, 02:59:51 PM
Oh ok, it's true then. :smile:


Title: Re: Is This Video Offensive?
Post by: Criswell on July 07, 2011, 04:50:13 PM
As long as its just having fun and not hate speech I don't find it offensive  :thumbup:


Title: Re: Is This Video Offensive?
Post by: AndyC on July 07, 2011, 07:45:41 PM
Is not the word "fag" in the UK mean cigarette? Someone told me that along time ago...

Yes

A few years back, a friend of mine had some family visiting from Liverpool. We're sitting on the patio drinking beer when one of them turns to me and says "do you fancy a fag?"

I knew what she meant, but it took a second to register. Just enough time for a big double take.


Title: Re: Is This Video Offensive?
Post by: Mr. DS on July 07, 2011, 08:38:06 PM
Is not the word "fag" in the UK mean cigarette? Someone told me that along time ago...

Yes

A few years back, a friend of mine had some family visiting from Liverpool. We're sitting on the patio drinking beer when one of them turns to me and says "do you fancy a fag?"

I knew what she meant, but it took a second to register. Just enough time for a big double take.
Another addition to that story I've heard about.  Someone told me that at one point only men smoked cigars and women smoked "fags".  Hence it being "girly" to smoke a cig.  I've always doubted it but does anyone know of any validity to that rumor?

Btw Ash, if you're serious about making this sport more popular  I'd avoid putting out the video into too many sources.  Although it is entertaining, the world has been on a "political correctness" rampage lately.


Title: Re: Is This Video Offensive?
Post by: dean on July 08, 2011, 07:03:37 AM

Agree with Ed, video's not that bad, but the concept's offensive, so why go through the trouble?

Easy solution though: capture the HAG.  Nobody gets upset [no point in getting negative publicity] and it's probably funnier to have someone running around with a walking frame and in old lady outfits.  Same pun but won't get you any thumbs down from any group.


Title: Re: Is This Video Offensive?
Post by: Raffine on July 08, 2011, 07:25:42 AM
I liked the way everybody had to explain they weren't a homosexual.


Title: Re: Is This Video Offensive?
Post by: AndyC on July 08, 2011, 07:33:14 AM

Agree with Ed, video's not that bad, but the concept's offensive, so why go through the trouble?

Easy solution though: capture the HAG.  Nobody gets upset [no point in getting negative publicity] and it's probably funnier to have someone running around with a walking frame and in old lady outfits.  Same pun but won't get you any thumbs down from any group.

And the AARP is outraged. :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: Is This Video Offensive?
Post by: dean on July 08, 2011, 08:49:26 AM
I have no idea who the AARP is but I'm assuming it's pensioners, and as such they shouldn't be on that magic internet thingy anyways.


Title: Re: Is This Video Offensive?
Post by: dean on July 08, 2011, 08:53:19 AM
Ah just looked them up.  They have a website and everything!  Who said old dogs can't learn new tricks?   :wink:


Title: Re: Is This Video Offensive?
Post by: Raffine on July 08, 2011, 08:59:44 AM
Ah just looked them up.  They have a website and everything!  Who said old dogs can't learn new tricks?   :wink:

Don't anger them.

I understand they eat young whippersnappers' souls.


Title: Re: Is This Video Offensive?
Post by: Ed, Ego and Superego on July 08, 2011, 12:56:38 PM
Dress in gore and blood and call it Capture the FRAG.


Title: Re: Is This Video Offensive?
Post by: AndyC on July 08, 2011, 02:08:35 PM
If they wanted somebody to dress flamboyantly and act all fruity, they could play a game of "Capture the Drag."


Title: Re: Is This Video Offensive?
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on July 08, 2011, 08:58:55 PM

I'm suprised that none of the Gay Rights groups have gotten upset over the use of the phrase "homogenized milk" over the years.   :wink: :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: Is This Video Offensive?
Post by: venomx on July 08, 2011, 09:14:31 PM
I'm suprised that none of the Gay Rights groups have gotten upset over the use of the phrase "homogenized milk" over the years.   :wink: :bouncegiggle:


(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt262/fuadfathir/funny_cow_pink_glasses.jpg?t=1242105592)
"Hello"


Title: Re: Is This Video Offensive?
Post by: Umaril The Unfeathered on July 08, 2011, 09:18:27 PM
I'm suprised that none of the Gay Rights groups have gotten upset over the use of the phrase "homogenized milk" over the years.   :wink: :bouncegiggle:


([url]http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt262/fuadfathir/funny_cow_pink_glasses.jpg?t=1242105592[/url])
"Hello"


Uh-ohhh  looks like I better "moo-ve" it on out of here before I'm forced to cow-er at the feet of this bovine entity who seems to have a beef with me.

My reputations at "steak" here  :wink:



Title: Re: Is This Video Offensive?
Post by: AndyC on July 08, 2011, 09:46:22 PM

I'm suprised that none of the Gay Rights groups have gotten upset over the use of the phrase "homogenized milk" over the years.   :wink: :bouncegiggle:

I have noticed that in recent years "homogenized" has been spelled out in full on packaging here. I remember it being simply "homo milk" in the 80s. Used to be a source of giggling and "you are what you eat" type jokes among us kids. I'm pretty sure that's the reason for the change, that "homo" on its own had a completely different meaning (and a potentially problematic one) for more and more people. No coincidence either, since "homogenized" and "homosexual" do come from the same root - a Greek word meaning "the same."


Title: Re: Is This Video Offensive?
Post by: AndyC on July 09, 2011, 05:34:25 AM
I spoke too soon. Some Canadian dairy companies still use the term.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2597/4118602674_67ebfca489_z.jpg?zz=1)


Title: Re: Is This Video Offensive?
Post by: Ash on July 12, 2011, 03:10:52 AM
The use of the word "Fag" was always planned to be used.  Looking back, I used that word a bunch of times on the video and always had a nagging feeling that using it might be offensive to some people.
I think we all knew deep down that what we were doing was mildly offensive but we pushed those thoughts aside and went ahead with it anyway.

P.S.
I suggested "Capture the Hag" to the players and they love it!


Title: Re: Is This Video Offensive?
Post by: Ash on July 12, 2011, 03:22:33 AM
I think you'll like this video I shot a few days ago.  No controversy...just attacking and killing!  :thumbup:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMSg-YdbHXE



Title: Re: Is This Video Offensive?
Post by: claws on July 12, 2011, 03:25:51 AM
Unless such an event is done Benny Hill style I can see people taking offense. You get your "backwoods" setting, males and females armed with "guns" hunting a "fag".
Personally I don't think "fag" is as offensive as the N-word but should still be used with caution in my opinion.


Title: Re: Is This Video Offensive?
Post by: dean on July 12, 2011, 10:00:18 AM
The use of the word "Fag" was always planned to be used.  Looking back, I used that word a bunch of times on the video and always had a nagging feeling that using it might be offensive to some people.
I think we all knew deep down that what we were doing was mildly offensive but we pushed those thoughts aside and went ahead with it anyway.

P.S.
I suggested "Capture the Hag" to the players and they love it!


Cant wait to see that one!   :thumbup:


Title: Re: Is This Video Offensive?
Post by: Ed, Ego and Superego on July 12, 2011, 01:20:43 PM
Ash, the new vid is really cool.  That looks like a goodtime.
-Ed


Title: Re: Is This Video Offensive?
Post by: BoyScoutKevin on July 15, 2011, 05:27:43 PM
I have no idea who the AARP is but I'm assuming it's pensioners, and as such they shouldn't be on that magic internet thingy anyways.

AARP stands for American Association of Retired Persons. Basically, and this information comes from wikipedia, the AARP is a non-governmental, non-profit, non-partisan interest and lobbying group which addresses issues affecting older humans. As I am older than 50, I get letters all the time from them, asking me to join, which I have yet to do.