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Title: Criks and Rufs
Post by: RCMerchant on August 27, 2011, 08:32:31 AM
This is a totally nonsensical post...but I noticed some people say the words "creek" and "roof" as "crik" and "ruf". I'm one of them.
Is it a midwestern thing...or is it global?

Someone pointed it out to me the other day...they were from Jersey.
Im a Michigander.


Title: Re: Criks and Rufs
Post by: claws on August 27, 2011, 08:34:23 AM
First time reading this. It must be a local thing  :wink:


Title: Re: Criks and Rufs
Post by: RCMerchant on August 27, 2011, 08:40:43 AM
First time reading this. It must be a local thing  :wink:

Sure...SUUUURE! Yer guilty!  :tongueout:


Title: Re: Criks and Rufs
Post by: FatFreddysCat on August 27, 2011, 08:45:17 AM
The first time I heard "creek" pronounced "crik" was years n' years ago when I was a kid and we went to a family reunion somewhere in Ohio. One of our distant cousins (an Ohio native) asked my brother and I if we wanted to "catch some fish down by the crik" and we said "by the what?"  :teddyr:

They also call soda "pop" out that way too, which was a new one on us at the time. "You boys want some pop?" "Some what?"



Title: Re: Criks and Rufs
Post by: RCMerchant on August 27, 2011, 08:50:14 AM
The first time I heard "creek" pronounced "crik" was years n' years ago when I was a kid and we went to a family reunion somewhere in Ohio. One of our distant cousins (an Ohio native) asked my brother and I if we wanted to "catch some fish down by the crik" and we said "by the what?"  :teddyr:

They also call soda "pop" out that way too, which was a new one on us at the time. "You boys want some pop?" "Some what?"



Where ya from? It is pop!!!!
I freaked out when I was in New York.."Wanna Soda?" .
"Huh?"
Huh?
"POP! Sure!"

I think it is homegrown dialect.

We usta steal pop from one of them old vending machines that had the glass bottles of Nehi ,
You'd put yer 15 cents in-and if you grabbed a neck and yer brother grabbed one...you'd get 2 pops for 15 cents!
Gee...that was in 1971. I was 9.


Title: Re: Criks and Rufs
Post by: Newt on August 27, 2011, 08:58:47 AM
Regional dialects are fascinating!

Where I grew up, the rural kids often had a very different way of speaking and a different set of words for familiar things - or so it seemed.

I heard 'crik' from them, and 'ruf'.  But...it is always 'pop'!  'Soda' was something we heard from the tourists/summer people who came up from NY State.

G'Day, eh?   :wink:


Title: Re: Criks and Rufs
Post by: RCMerchant on August 27, 2011, 09:04:04 AM
Regional dialects are fascinating!

Where I grew up, the rural kids often had a very different way of speaking and a different set of words for familiar things - or so it seemed.

I heard 'crik' from them, and 'ruf'.  But...it is always 'pop'!  'Soda' was something we heard from the tourists/summer people who came up from NY State.

G'Day, eh?   :wink:

Ay?
Canada.
I noticed that yoopers (from upper Michigan-think Red Green) talk like Canucks.
Yeh...the Chicago folks always came to Michigan...they said "soda pop" which gave me a clue why some forgieners sed "soda".

And yeah...I was very rural...we lived onna dead end road. The bus wouldnt even take it in the winter. We had to walk a half mile to the corner of 3 Mile Lake road.


Title: Re: Criks and Rufs
Post by: AndyC on August 27, 2011, 09:09:23 AM
I don't recall for sure, but I believe my dad uses those pronunciations. He has something of a regional accent from the part of Ontario where he grew up. Probably most common among those who grew up before TV or easy car travel, when rural communities were more insulated. Dad's hometown was rural, far from large populations and predominantly Scottish, and he grew up in the 1930s and 40s. Newt will probably be familiar with Flesherton; it's still pretty far off the beaten path. Dad definitely has a strong element of what's properly called Canadian raising (http://www.yorku.ca/twainweb/troberts/raising.html (http://www.yorku.ca/twainweb/troberts/raising.html)), along with some peculiar pronunciations.

He might say "On Sairdee morning, I'm going to clean out the Gradge and trow out all the garbeedge, so it's nice when cumpny comes to the hoase on Choosdee."


Title: Re: Criks and Rufs
Post by: Newt on August 27, 2011, 09:14:11 AM
Ah Flesherton: the heart of farm country!  Seems to me your dad would have had a claim to a Scottish accent.

Did he invite visitors to come set in the dooryard, Andy?  My neighbours did. They also had 'idears' and 'warshed' their hands.  My parents were from Toronto, so I had to become somewhat 'bilingual' once I was in school.  And being near Ottawa we had our share of Quebecois French: drove the French teachers in the schools crazy!  :buggedout:


Title: Re: Criks and Rufs
Post by: RCMerchant on August 27, 2011, 09:19:07 AM
I don't recall for sure, but I believe my dad uses those pronunciations. He has something of a regional accent from the part of Ontario where he grew up. Probably most common among those who grew up before TV or easy car travel, when rural communities were more insulated. Dad's hometown was rural, far from large populations and predominantly Scottish, and he grew up in the 1930s and 40s. Newt will probably be familiar with Flesherton; it's still pretty far off the beaten path. Dad definitely has a strong element of what's properly called Canadian raising ([url]http://www.yorku.ca/twainweb/troberts/raising.html[/url] ([url]http://www.yorku.ca/twainweb/troberts/raising.html[/url])), along with some peculiar pronunciations.

He might say "On Sairdee morning, I'm going to clean out the Gradge and trow out all the garbeedge, so it's nice when cumpny comes to the hoase on Choosdee."



Sounds like us backwoods Michiganders. When I went to NYC in the 80's...I couldnt understand wtf they were saying...or them me.




Title: Re: Criks and Rufs
Post by: RCMerchant on August 27, 2011, 09:21:42 AM
Did he invite visitors to come set in the dooryard, Andy?

Door yard...hahahah...I use that one....it's the porch.
In NYC the Dooryard,or porch,was the steps.
We also called it the front stoop.
"Grab a pop-sit onna front stoop Listen to the radio."

I know its supposed to be RAYdio-but I say RADio.


Title: Re: Criks and Rufs
Post by: AndyC on August 27, 2011, 09:37:40 AM
Ah Flesherton: the heart of farm country!  Seems to me your dad would have had a claim to a Scottish accent.

Did he invite visitors to come set in the dooryard, Andy?  My neighbours did. They also had 'idears' and 'warshed' their hands.  My parents were from Toronto, so I had to become somewhat 'bilingual' once I was in school.  And being near Ottawa we had our share of Quebecois French: drove the French teachers in the schools crazy!  :buggedout:

No to "dooryard" and "idear," but a big yes to "warsh." He does warsh things. Oh, and he does sometimes get a sore troat.

As for da Quebec French, I know about dis as well. I have a sister-in-law from da Cornwall area.


Title: Re: Criks and Rufs
Post by: Derf on August 27, 2011, 09:48:42 AM
Many even down in South Texas say "crik." Fewer still say "ruf," but I do hear it. That, and "rut" for "root," as in "Give me a rut beer."


Title: Re: Criks and Rufs
Post by: RCMerchant on August 27, 2011, 09:54:05 AM
Many even down in South Texas say "crik." Fewer still say "ruf," but I do hear it. That, and "rut" for "root," as in "Give me a rut beer."

Hey-it is rut beer!  :drink:


Title: Re: Criks and Rufs
Post by: AndyC on August 27, 2011, 10:01:45 AM
Many even down in South Texas say "crik." Fewer still say "ruf," but I do hear it. That, and "rut" for "root," as in "Give me a rut beer."

Hey-it is rut beer!  :drink:

Made me think of the Hanson Brothers, from Slap Shot. "Gimme a grape or an orange, and none o' that stinkin' rutbeer!"

Their accent is actually pretty close to what I remember of some of the kids I grew up around. Especially the pronunciation of "corter," as in "The machine took my corter."


Title: Re: Criks and Rufs
Post by: FatFreddysCat on August 27, 2011, 10:05:32 AM

Where ya from? It is pop!!!!
I freaked out when I was in New York.."Wanna Soda?" .
"Huh?"
Huh?
"POP! Sure!"

I'm from New Jersey... and here it's always been SODA, dammit!  :teddyr:


Title: Re: Criks and Rufs
Post by: El Misfit on August 27, 2011, 10:08:16 AM
Well, down here in NOLA, we have different ways of saying stuff, as in y'all instead of you guys and yamommanem (pronounced ya-momma-and-them)


Title: Re: Criks and Rufs
Post by: RCMerchant on August 27, 2011, 10:16:45 AM
Well, down here in NOLA, we have different ways of saying stuff, as in y'all instead of you guys and yamommanem (pronounced ya-momma-and-them)

Groovy! I love it! THATS why I posted this,I reckon.  :cheers:


Title: Re: Criks and Rufs
Post by: RCMerchant on August 27, 2011, 10:20:51 AM

Where ya from? It is pop!!!!
I freaked out when I was in New York.."Wanna Soda?" .
"Huh?"
Huh?
"POP! Sure!"

I'm from New Jersey... and here it's always been SODA, dammit!  :teddyr:

I Lived in NYC for 3 years in the 80's--hell-I was born in the Bronx-but lived my life in the backwoods of Michigan.
In New York they sed "Joisy".
"Lets go to Joisy-get some beeh-Its cheepah deah."


Title: Re: Criks and Rufs
Post by: Ed, Ego and Superego on August 27, 2011, 11:24:49 AM
In Wyoming when I was a kid...Crik was standard. But always ROOF. 

Out here in Oregon. My wife's relations say stuff like "Boughten" like "I had boughten apples at the store".


Title: Re: Criks and Rufs
Post by: Raffine on August 27, 2011, 12:27:05 PM
In the South all soda/pop is called Coke or Co'cola.

"What kind of Co'cola do you want, Mountain Dew or RC?"

Also you can if somebody like a family or not. If they say "Thelma and 'em are comin over for dinner" they like them. Not so much if they say "Thelma and that bunch are comin over for dinner".

I have a friend from Philly who swears he can always tell a fellow Philly-ite by the way the pronounce 'water' as 'wooder'.


Title: Re: Criks and Rufs
Post by: Flick James on August 27, 2011, 01:49:28 PM
I don't know what the background of of our esteemed governor Jan Brewer is, but I once heard her, obviously trying to appeal to the Teaparty crowd, saying how her campaign is "grass ruts." And she said it multiple times, really accentuating the "ruts" part. I was hearing it in my sleep for days.


Title: Re: Criks and Rufs
Post by: JaseSF on August 27, 2011, 05:12:28 PM
Actually we call soda/cola "pop" here too. Actually sometimes it's called simply "drink" too. "I'm going to get a glass of drink " here refers to soda. I still have the occasional caffeine free pop from time to time.

Dialects here actually differ from one area to another, those who live in cities have a totally different accent from those who don't and there's even differences from west and east and south coasts. Those who speak here quickly with a strong Newfie dialect will sound like someone speaking another language to a mainlander unless they get said person to slow down their speech.


Title: Re: Criks and Rufs
Post by: Silverlady on August 27, 2011, 07:26:13 PM
I grew up in Queens, NY.  For me it was SODA. I put things in a BAG, not a SACK (upstate NY thing).  As a kid I loved the word "ain't", not proper English, but I still use it and love the word.  :teddyr:

I moved to Long Island, NY when I was 20. Spent 25 years there and acquired the dreaded "LOONNGG EyeeeLannd" accent.

In 1999-2001 moved to southwest Florida.  I never uttered "Ya'll", but did say, "Where you at?"

Since 2001 I have lived in northeast PA - Pocono Mountain region.  I am surrounded by transplants from NY and NJ.  We understand each other perfectly.  Native Pennsylvanians?  Do they have regional dialects? Maybe. I'm not sure.  I only know a few.  I don't know where the rest of them live.   But Pennsylvania is a BIG STATE!   :teddyr:


Title: Re: Criks and Rufs
Post by: FatFreddysCat on August 27, 2011, 08:05:07 PM
Quote
In New York they sed "Joisy".
"Lets go to Joisy-get some beeh-Its cheepah deah."


I've spent most of my life in New Jersey but went to Staten Island, New York to attend college. Most of the kids at my school were commuters from the other NYC boroughs, particularly Brooklyn, so there was a lot of "Eyyy, yo, wassup muthafugga, how ya doin'?" going on. After spending a few months surrounded by people who talked that way, it was probably inevitable that I'd pick up the dreaded "Noo Yawk" accent, but I didn't think it would happen so quickly. When I went home for my first holiday break during my freshman year, I noticed my brother kept looking at me oddly whenever I spoke to him so I finally said "What's your problem?" and he said "You're talking weird, man."

I didn't realize what he meant at the time, but then a couple of days later I caught myself tellling someone that I went to college in "Noo Yawk" and I literally clapped my hand over my mouth, like "Oh my GOD, I'm becoming one of THEM!"


Title: Re: Criks and Rufs
Post by: AndyC on August 27, 2011, 08:47:53 PM
Funny how quickly you can pick up an accent that isn't your own. It's happened to me, albeit temporarily, in situations where I've spent time in close quarters with people. When I was in high school, I went on a joint family vacation with my parents and my brother's French Canadian in-laws, to visit my brother and his wife. After about a week and a 'alf of dat, I caught myself using just a faint 'int of da same accent as dose udder people.

Growing up in the middle of Mennonite country, there was a whole other accent that was spoken by a sizable chunk of the population. I have several friends back home who are from a more mainstream branch and don't really have more than a trace of the accent, but grew up with parents and extended families who did. They could all do hilarious imitations, as could I. But what was really freaky was when we went on camping trips together, back in the early 90s. Just maybe four of us, not talking much to anyone but each other. The Mennonite accents started gradually coming out of these guys, I would assume just building off each other. But I also caught myself unconsciously doing it.


Title: Re: Criks and Rufs
Post by: Psycho Circus on August 28, 2011, 07:29:38 AM
We don't say none of that silly talk over here y'all.


Title: Re: Criks and Rufs
Post by: JaseSF on August 28, 2011, 01:09:23 PM
Have ye pud the tetties on fer suppar?

Dem damn harses have god oudda de shud agin mudder...

Arn? (Did you get any fish today?)

Narn. (No I didn't)

Um headed downsteirs to warsh me close. Talk to ya lateter bye!


Title: Re: Criks and Rufs
Post by: HappyGilmore on August 28, 2011, 01:29:41 PM
Around this way in the Philadelphia area, I notice a lot of people pronounce water as 'wooder'. You know, wood with an er at the end.


Title: Re: Criks and Rufs
Post by: Rev. Powell on August 28, 2011, 07:42:37 PM
Have ye pud the tetties on fer suppar?


Tetties for supper?  :buggedout:


Title: Re: Criks and Rufs
Post by: JaseSF on August 28, 2011, 08:16:09 PM
It refers to potatoes.  :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: Criks and Rufs
Post by: Killer Bees on August 29, 2011, 03:48:02 AM
When I lived in Canada, my then husband (French Canadian) used to make fun of the stuff I said.

I would say "I reckon" because Aussies say that.  He said only rednecks said that  :lookingup:

Other things I would get slammed for saying:

boot instead of trunk
bonnet instead of hood
footpath instead of sidewalk
rubbish instead of trash
soft drink instead of soda

As you can tell, he was an @rsehat  :teddyr:


Title: Re: Criks and Rufs
Post by: The Burgomaster on August 29, 2011, 12:54:48 PM
Most people in Massachusetts say "creek" and "roof."  Also, "route" is generally pronounced "roooooot" in this area, although some people say "rowt."



Title: Re: Criks and Rufs
Post by: AndyC on August 29, 2011, 01:35:32 PM
When I lived in Canada, my then husband (French Canadian) used to make fun of the stuff I said.

I would say "I reckon" because Aussies say that.  He said only rednecks said that  :lookingup:

Other things I would get slammed for saying:

boot instead of trunk
bonnet instead of hood
footpath instead of sidewalk
rubbish instead of trash
soft drink instead of soda

As you can tell, he was an @rsehat  :teddyr


Hmmm, a French Canadian making fun of the way somebody else talks. I'd have a two-word response for that - Jean Chretien.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX6XMIldkRU

In defense of French Canadians, they have the coolest swearing. Aside from the common four-letter words, almost any Catholic terminology can be used in Quebec swearing, by religious and non-religious alike. Use one word, or string a bunch together. They don't even have to make sense.

"Saint-sacrement d'ostie de la calice de Crisse!" (Holy sacrament of the host of the chalice of Christ!)


Title: Re: Criks and Rufs
Post by: Mr. DS on August 30, 2011, 07:25:05 AM
In RI people drop their "R's" where they belong and put them where the don't belong.

Wata (water)
Soder (soda)

I'm orginally from Western, MA.  People in this area say I pronounce certain words different like "coffee".  Perhaps its because I say it right.   :teddyr:  They say "coooaaaawfee" I say "ca-fe". 


Title: Re: Criks and Rufs
Post by: The Burgomaster on August 30, 2011, 08:12:14 AM
In RI people drop their "R's" where they belong and put them where the don't belong.

Wata (water)
Soder (soda)


Same here in the greater Boston area.  Also, "beah" instead of "beer" and "p**sa" instead of "p**ser."  A common phrase is "wicked p**sa" meaning "very good."



Title: Re: Criks and Rufs
Post by: Mr. DS on August 30, 2011, 09:33:58 AM
^ Wicked is very much used in the NE area as a "good" description.


Title: Re: Criks and Rufs
Post by: The Burgomaster on August 30, 2011, 10:31:21 AM
^ Wicked is very much used in the NE area as a "good" description.

Yup.  Boston Herald sports writer Steve Buckley even wrote a book called "Wicked Good Year" about the 2007 season when the Red Sox and Celtics won championships and the Patriots were in the Super Bowl (but lost).



Title: Re: Criks and Rufs
Post by: Psycho Circus on August 31, 2011, 01:15:45 PM
^ Wicked is very much used in the NE area as a "good" description.

Yup.  Boston Herald sports writer Steve Buckley even wrote a book called "Wicked Good Year" about the 2007 season when the Red Sox and Celtics won championships and the Patriots were in the Super Bowl (but lost).

Oh Oh! We say wicked all the time back home in Manchester!  :smile: