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Title: Sad Fact about me
Post by: Olivia Bauer on August 29, 2011, 08:16:20 PM
MST3K has so many pop culture references from before my time I had to watch episodes with my Dad around so he can explain.

Is it bad that I wish I wasn't so young?


Title: Re: Sad Fact about me
Post by: Flick James on August 29, 2011, 08:39:25 PM
What you're talking about is not so much a wish to be older, but simply to have been alive at an earlier time. There is nothing inherently wrong with this and it can be perfectly healthy and fun provided it does not consume the individual. If you are entertaining the past at the expense of being in the present, well, that's up to you to work out. Do you feel that is happening?


Title: Re: Sad Fact about me
Post by: Mofo Rising on August 30, 2011, 03:15:13 AM
I was born in 1978, so there's a lot of pop culture stuff I'm not privy to.

I remember being amazed when I first started listening to the Beatles after I graduated high school. There was a world of Beatles references that I had never noticed before. It literally reconfigured my previous understanding of the world. It flabbergasted me. There was this entire world of references that I never even noticed, but it was understood by everybody that was a decade or two older than me.

I never would have noticed a pun of "Magical Mystery Tour" because I would have never noticed or cared. Now that it was knowledge I was now privy to it amazed me just how much of this knowledge was ingrained in people. Not something like secret knowledge, just information that was available to everybody who lived through that time.


Title: Re: Sad Fact about me
Post by: Psycho Circus on August 30, 2011, 04:28:35 AM
It isn't a bad thing at all AJ. If you prefer stuff from before your time, that's good as it shows that you're not some mindless drone of society who was "born yesterday". You then have the pleasure of discovering and learning more from decades and decades of movies, books, music, events etc... I pretty much live in a bubble of nostalgia and am happy with that. I know a lot more about the past than the present because it interests me more, even when there's pop culture references I may not get, I look forward to understanding them.


Title: Re: Sad Fact about me
Post by: Criswell on August 30, 2011, 06:34:04 AM
With something like MST3K there are so many references so its okay if you don't get a few. If you don't get one joke you'll likely be laughing at the next.


Title: Re: Sad Fact about me
Post by: The Burgomaster on August 30, 2011, 08:07:25 AM
It seems to me that young people today don't have as much knowledge about things that occurred before they were born than young people did when I was a kid.  When I was very young in the late 1960s and early 1970s, I was well aware of the movies, music, and history of my parents' generation and earlier.  I don't think that is necessarily the case today.  Part of the reason is television.  With so many cable and/or satellite channels available, it is difficult to get exposed to movies, documentaries, television shows, and other programming from the past unless you specifically look for it.  When I was a kid, we originally had 6 channels to choose from, and much of the programming was re-runs of old television shows (FATHER KNOWS BEST, OZZIE AND HARRIETT, LEAVE IT TO BEAVER, OUR MISS BROOKS), old comedy shorts (3 STOOGES, OUR GANG/LITTLE RASCALS, LEON ERROLL, EDGAR KENNEDY), and old movies (HUMPHREY BOGART, JAMES CAGNEY, MARILYN MONROE, MARX BROTHERS, LAUREL & HARDY, W.C. FIELDS, DEAN MARTIN & JERRY LEWIS).  So, I saw one or more of these programs almost every day and became well aware of what was happening years  or decades before I was born.  Now, unless you watch Turner Classic Movies or TV Land or rent a DVD or something like that, you may never see any of these things.  

A few years ago we were watching a movie at work during our lunch hour.  One of our younger employees (in his 20s) had no idea who Bela Lugosi and Jerry Lewis were.  This amazed me.  I can't think of a time in my life when I DIDN'T know who Bela Lugosi and Jerry Lewis were.  When I was a kid, barely a weekend passed when at least one Jerry Lewis movie wasn't on TV.  Try to find one now.  All you get is current programming unless you really go digging for the older stuff.

 


Title: Re: Sad Fact about me
Post by: AndyC on August 30, 2011, 08:34:58 AM
Nothing wrong with wanting to be in on a joke, or to share some knowledge and experiences with people older than yourself. That's normal and natural and healthy.

And I agree with Burgo. Until about the late 80s, old movies and shows were still getting recycled as cheap filler by local TV stations. Growing up in the 70s and 80s, I got to watch Leave It to Beaver, I Love Lucy, Andy Griffith, Lost in Space, original Star Trek, Gilligans Island, The Flintstones, etc., even though all of these were over a decade old or more. Plus all of the Three Stooges, Little Rascals, Laurel and Hardy, Bugs Bunny and other shorts going back as far as the 30s. Movies from the 40s to the 70s were on frequently, and all on regular TV. Then came the gradual disappearance of independent stations, the use of canned network programming, the coming of specialty channels, and bulk-selling the non-prime hours for infomercials.

That and there is just so much programming specifically targeted to younger viewers, who often don't have to share a TV with the rest of the family, kids have little opportunity to be exposed to what is available.

Still, at 18 or 19 years of age, I wouldn't worry about not getting all the old references. It takes time to pick it all up. Even now, I run into a few MST3K references I only get by considering the context.

And the great thing about MST3K is the variety of references they make - a deliberate choice to keep the show from becoming dated. There's really something for everyone.


Title: Re: Sad Fact about me
Post by: Olivia Bauer on August 30, 2011, 10:14:10 AM
I still watch older shows and movies. But old black and white films are hard to comeby these days.

Today the movies are over-saturated with modern crap. Crude humor, s**tty romance comedies, and unimginative animated films. I wish I lived back in the 80's.


Title: Re: Sad Fact about me
Post by: The Burgomaster on August 30, 2011, 10:23:12 AM

That and there is just so much programming specifically targeted to younger viewers, who often don't have to share a TV with the rest of the family, kids have little opportunity to be exposed to what is available.


This is another good point.  When I was a kid, we had a TV in the living room and we all decided what we would watch and the family generally watched it together.  We all had TVs in our bedrooms, but we didn't use them very often.  (We only had 6 channels to choose from, so even if you went to your room to watch TV, there wasn't much to choose from.  Generally, the "family decision" was the best program on at the time).  Now, everyone can scurry off to another room to watch TV and have hundreds of channels to choose from.



Title: Re: Sad Fact about me
Post by: Rev. Powell on August 30, 2011, 10:37:07 AM
I wish I lived back in the 80's.

Oh no! Another Circus!  What do you guys see in the 80s?

When I lived in the 80s, I wished I was living in the 60s.


Title: Re: Sad Fact about me
Post by: Doggett on August 30, 2011, 10:44:58 AM
I wish I lived back in the 80's.


Oh no! Another Circus!  What do you guys see in the 80s?



The clothes, the music, the movies, the hair...

(http://www.hilary.com/fashion/images/bananarama.jpg)

I wanna be in the 80's too!

 :teddyr:




Title: Re: Sad Fact about me
Post by: bob on August 30, 2011, 11:56:57 AM
I have experiences simliar to AJ's. Once in a while when I'm watching episodes with friends and the riffers reference something one of us doesn't get we pause it and see if anyone gets the reference. If one of us does we explain it, if not we keep watching.


Title: Re: Sad Fact about me
Post by: LilCerberus on August 30, 2011, 01:06:58 PM
I used to ask my Mom about the pop culture references in the comic strip Bloom County.
She never answered my questions, she'd just launch into a tirade about what poor taste it was in.


Title: Re: Sad Fact about me
Post by: Hammock Rider on August 30, 2011, 01:22:48 PM
The 80's weren't all cakes and ale my friend. Had you been alive back then you very well might have attended a Boy George or WHAM concert, sat through 21 Jump Street or walked around in a pair of parachute pants. There were neither intenet nor cell phones on which to watch movies and the '49ers dominated pro-football :bluesad:

  I think I see some of what you're saying. Aside from missing out on cool references, which even I sometimes do and I was born in '65, the 80's seems like the last decade before entertainment became simply another product to sell.  But cheer up Bucko, at least you know enough to watch MST3K!


Title: Re: Sad Fact about me
Post by: The Burgomaster on August 30, 2011, 04:05:49 PM
The 80's weren't all cakes and ale my friend. Had you been alive back then you very well might have attended a Boy George or WHAM concert,

Actually, one of the most memorable concerts I ever went to was in the 1980s:

* A FLOCK OF SEAGULLS (sounded terrible "live")
* THE FIXX
* THE POLICE

The concert was in an open-air football stadium and it lasted about 6 hours if you count the breaks between acts.



Title: Re: Sad Fact about me
Post by: Olivia Bauer on August 30, 2011, 05:07:25 PM
I wish I lived back in the 80's.


Oh no! Another Circus!  What do you guys see in the 80s?



The clothes, the music, the movies, the hair...

([url]http://www.hilary.com/fashion/images/bananarama.jpg[/url])

I wanna be in the 80's too!

 :teddyr:





I could do without the hair.


Title: Re: Sad Fact about me
Post by: RCMerchant on August 30, 2011, 06:58:08 PM
I wish I lived back in the 80's.


Oh no! Another Circus!  What do you guys see in the 80s?



The clothes, the music, the movies, the hair...

([url]http://www.hilary.com/fashion/images/bananarama.jpg[/url])

I wanna be in the 80's too!

 :teddyr:





I could do without the hair.


The 80's?...when whas that?...It's all a drunken coke smeared blur...


Title: Re: Sad Fact about me
Post by: Olivia Bauer on August 30, 2011, 07:17:56 PM
I wish I lived back in the 80's.


Oh no! Another Circus!  What do you guys see in the 80s?



The clothes, the music, the movies, the hair...

([url]http://www.hilary.com/fashion/images/bananarama.jpg[/url])

I wanna be in the 80's too!

 :teddyr:





I could do without the hair.


The 80's?...when whas that?...It's all a drunken coke smeared blur...


Now I REALLY want to live in the 80's!


Title: Re: Sad Fact about me
Post by: Archivist on September 01, 2011, 02:14:21 AM
I was a teenager in the 80's, so I guess that means I 'grew up' then.  Yes, 21 Jumpstreet was all the rage, we listened to groups like Wham or Dead Or Alive, and in the late 80's there was the blissful mainstream popularity of heavy metal, like Poison, Whitesnake, Motley Crue and Metallica.  Heavy metal was killed by grunge like Nirvana right in 1990, but also eclipsed by techno and house music.

What amazes me is to see people talk nostagically about the 90's!  If you look up songs on Youtube that were popular in the 90's there are almost always comments like, 'omg i miss the 90's!  gr8 times!!!'  It really brings home to me the fact that there's a whole new generation out there, for whom Terminator 2 came out when they were 5, for whom Bruce Willis is an old fogey, and who don't know that Harrison Ford was once young, in Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Patrick Stewart, however, has always been old.  He was bald when he came out and it never stopped.  Kind of like James Hong.  Was that man EVER not an old dude?


Title: Re: Sad Fact about me
Post by: claws on September 01, 2011, 07:54:51 AM
I grew up in the 80s and yeah, I kind of miss it. Not the fashion though  :teddyr: I never dressed wild except for that one time I went to a Prince concert.
The 80s gave us the best in movies and music and I was there enjoying the hell out of it  :thumbup:


Title: Re: Sad Fact about me
Post by: AndyC on September 01, 2011, 09:36:20 AM
([url]http://www.hilary.com/fashion/images/bananarama.jpg[/url])
I could do without the hair.


Me too.


Title: Re: Sad Fact about me
Post by: Hammock Rider on September 01, 2011, 02:08:30 PM
The 80's weren't all cakes and ale my friend. Had you been alive back then you very well might have attended a Boy George or WHAM concert,

Actually, one of the most memorable concerts I ever went to was in the 1980s:

* A FLOCK OF SEAGULLS (sounded terrible "live")
* THE FIXX
* THE POLICE

The concert was in an open-air football stadium and it lasted about 6 hours if you count the breaks between acts.



  That sounds like a fun concert. I always wanted to see The Police but never got a chance. I did see Huey lewis and The Thompson Twins though. :thumbup:

  I wasn't knocking the 80's. I enjoyed them more than the 90s or 00s. It might be because I was younger and more carefree in the 80s but I suspect its because the 90s and 00s just sucked.


Title: Re: Sad Fact about me
Post by: 66Crush on October 07, 2011, 11:53:26 PM
You'll always be discovering something from an earlier time that's cool. I discovered a lot of cool bands after they're heyday. All the classic rock bands, Zeppelin, The Beatles, etc. But also old movies like the Universal and Hammer Horror stuff. I grew up in the 80's, which were the golden age of pop culture. It was the dawn of digital technology. Everything was so larger than life and brand new. People had less options, therefore they were less jaded. So they were excited about every little new thing that came out. People from my generation seem to have the most nostalgia because the 80's were simply so big. I do however envy younger people for some of the things they have today, but I think my generation had it alot easier. The economy was better and I think as a result we all had more fun. But I have to admit, the girls today are so much hotter and sexier than they were in the 80's and I envy you twenty-something guys for that.


Title: Re: Sad Fact about me
Post by: dean on October 08, 2011, 12:27:55 AM
It seems to me that young people today don't have as much knowledge about things that occurred before they were born than young people did when I was a kid.  When I was very young in the late 1960s and early 1970s, I was well aware of the movies, music, and history of my parents' generation and earlier.  I don't think that is necessarily the case today.  Part of the reason is television.  With so many cable and/or satellite channels available, it is difficult to get exposed to movies, documentaries, television shows, and other programming from the past unless you specifically look for it.  

 

I put it down to information overload.  There is much more TV and movies than ever before, the internet is spawning more and more things to distract us.  It is quite impossible to know as much now because it seems like there is so much more to know perhaps?  That and modern programming doesn't show as many older shows as they did 'back in the day' purely because there is newer material to show. 


Title: Re: Sad Fact about me
Post by: RCMerchant on October 08, 2011, 02:17:11 AM
Burgermiester is right. Back in 1972-I was 10 years old.  I knew Bela,Boris,both Chaneys,Caplin,Laurel and Hardy,the Little Rascals.
BUT that was due to uhf TV. Which played over and over old films from the 1930's. And from Famous Monsters of Filmland magzine. I dont see in kids the...I dunno...the familarity? The Love?
The new breed of Monster fans...God Bless them...grew up in the video and compute rage. Aint the same,somehow, as  keeping awake untilll midnight to see a double feature on a uhf channl of DRACULA'S DAUGHTER and the WEREWOLF OF LONDON.
I-like Burgo-miss the 70's.
Just an old man dreaming.


Title: Re: Sad Fact about me
Post by: dean on October 08, 2011, 04:31:12 AM
I-like Burgo-miss the 70's.
Just an old man dreaming.


But then you'd miss out on all the cat memes!  The humanity! 

http://dropline.net/cats/ (http://dropline.net/cats/)


Title: Re: Sad Fact about me
Post by: RCMerchant on October 08, 2011, 05:29:50 AM
I-like Burgo-miss the 70's.
Just an old man dreaming.


But then you'd miss out on all the cat memes!  The humanity! 

[url]http://dropline.net/cats/[/url] ([url]http://dropline.net/cats/[/url])


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNUr__-VZeQ


Title: Re: Sad Fact about me
Post by: dean on October 08, 2011, 08:04:01 AM


But then you'd miss out on all the cat memes!  The humanity! 

[url]http://dropline.net/cats/[/url] ([url]http://dropline.net/cats/[/url])


[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNUr__-VZeQ[/url]


Somehow this can be applied to 90% of all internet activities.


Title: Re: Sad Fact about me
Post by: El Misfit on October 12, 2011, 12:05:27 PM
I wish I lived back in the 80's.


Oh no! Another Circus!  What do you guys see in the 80s?



The clothes, the music, the movies, the hair...

([url]http://www.hilary.com/fashion/images/bananarama.jpg[/url])

I wanna be in the 80's too!

 :teddyr:





I could do without the hair.


The 80's?...when whas that?...It's all a drunken coke smeared blur...


Now I REALLY want to live in the 80's!

I want to go back to the 80's to watch Iron Maiden! :teddyr:


Title: Re: Sad Fact about me
Post by: tracy on October 12, 2011, 12:30:12 PM
What you're talking about is not so much a wish to be older, but simply to have been alive at an earlier time. There is nothing inherently wrong with this and it can be perfectly healthy and fun provided it does not consume the individual. If you are entertaining the past at the expense of being in the present, well, that's up to you to work out. Do you feel that is happening?
I've often felt that way. I was born in 1963 but I kind of wish I had been born about 20 years before that. I adore the music of the 50s and 60s.....even the 40s....so being alive when it was all around would have been so cool.


Title: Re: Sad Fact about me
Post by: alandhopewell on October 12, 2011, 12:41:43 PM
It isn't a bad thing at all AJ. If you prefer stuff from before your time, that's good as it shows that you're not some mindless drone of society who was "born yesterday". You then have the pleasure of discovering and learning more from decades and decades of movies, books, music, events etc... I pretty much live in a bubble of nostalgia and am happy with that. I know a lot more about the past than the present because it interests me more, even when there's pop culture references I may not get, I look forward to understanding them.

    I'd have to agree....I was born in 1955, but my tastes in music run back to the 20's, forward, I love films from the silent rea on, old radio is a passion of mine, shared with me by my late mother, along with serials, and Golden Age comics.


Title: Re: Sad Fact about me
Post by: Kaseykockroach on October 12, 2011, 08:10:37 PM
Looney Tunes and Mst3k taught me everything I know about pop culture.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UcXBcMxUPc


Title: Re: Sad Fact about me
Post by: 66Crush on October 13, 2011, 11:56:45 PM
I saw Iron Maiden in 1988 it was AWESOME!!! They don't make 'em like that anymore!


Title: Re: Sad Fact about me
Post by: The Gravekeeper on October 14, 2011, 12:12:48 AM
I think a lot of people are pretty nostalgic or think stuff from just before they grew up was generally better. Well...it wasn't. Every decade had its social problems and produced more low-quality or simply forgettable (and consequently forgotten) entertainment. Maybe it's also because it's easier to understand the past than it is to understand the present; after all, the past generally lies still and lets you analyze it, lets you get comfortable, while the present keeps changing.

Myself? I enjoy things both old and new. Knowing and understanding older works absolutely helps in the understanding of new works because they're part of the same continuity (getting the jokes and references to things the creator grew up with/were happening at the time is a big bonus).


Title: Re: Sad Fact about me
Post by: RCMerchant on October 14, 2011, 05:27:16 AM
I think a lot of people are pretty nostalgic or think stuff from just before they grew up was generally better. Well...it wasn't. Every decade had its social problems and produced more low-quality or simply forgettable (and consequently forgotten) entertainment. Maybe it's also because it's easier to understand the past than it is to understand the present; after all, the past generally lies still and lets you analyze it, lets you get comfortable, while the present keeps changing.

Myself? I enjoy things both old and new. Knowing and understanding older works absolutely helps in the understanding of new works because they're part of the same continuity (getting the jokes and references to things the creator grew up with/were happening at the time is a big bonus).


Indeed. Though I miss the 70's...it was loaded-LOADED-with tripe. Lame tv shows like HAPPY DAYS,CHARLIE'S ANGELS, The LOVE (ack!) BOAT; crappy music like ELO,KANSAS,The CAPTAIN AND TENILLE, TONY ORLANDO and DAWN; and s**tty cartoons-all Hanna Barbara's s**t-yes,that includes the immensly bad SCOOBY DO.
Movie's were not all classics. Try to endure junk like FOR THE LOVE OF BENJI, WHATEVER HAPPENED to COUNT DRACULA? or SGT PEPPERS LONLEY HEART'S CLUB BAND. Ugh! And the radio played disco over and over and over! Though the era produced great bands like BLACK SABBATH and the RAMONES...they rarely recieved airplay. The only time I heard the SEX PISTOLS on the radio was on the Dr.Demento show!
WARNING! This clip may make you kill your dog and yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8en_0oRv8w8


Title: Re: Sad Fact about me
Post by: 66Crush on October 15, 2011, 01:52:41 AM
This is true, there is good and bad in every decade. But I think the point of the post is about someone young trying to understand the past because they are a fan of some older form of entertainment. I'm a big MST3K fan too, but I'm old enough to get the jokes. But I remember what it was like to watch shows when I was younger and not get the joke. Like if "Gilligan's Island" made a reference about Ladybird Johnson, I wouldn't know what the hell they were talking about, because it's before my time. Back then you had to use a a friggin' encyclopedia to find stuff out. Now you can just Google it and get the joke right away. So believe me when I say, not everything was better back then, just some things.


Title: Re: Sad Fact about me
Post by: AndyC on October 15, 2011, 10:16:27 AM
It's probably been that way for as long as we've had recorded media. Even books, I suppose. Any situation where someone can enjoy a previous generation's entertainment without the original context.

I think of watching Warner Bros. cartoons with characters based on celebrities such as Bing Crosby, Jack Benny, Eddie Cantor, Jimmy Durante, etc. Or when the Flintstones had Stony Curtis, Ann-Margrock, Hoagy Carmichael or whatever. As a kid, I had maybe a vague awareness of who those people were, which was probably more than most kids my age. Or even understanding technology that is obsolete or at least not as common as it used to be. I can still remember the epiphany I had as a little kid the first time I saw what an anvil was for, aside from dropping on a cartoon coyote. And the cartoons were full of old slang and catchphrases and commercial jingles of the time. Not to mention cartoons that might have been made during wartime, the depression, etc. And those cartoons are still airing today.

Of course, in the 70s and 80s there was still enough mixing of decades on TV to pick up the context eventually without much effort. You could run across movies going back to the 30s and 40s almost any time. Today, it's easier to look stuff up, but you can just as easily remain in the dark unless you make the effort.

What is kind of funny is how watching older entertainment can also give kids an outdated view of how things are today. You can get exposed to situations of 50 or 60 years ago before you've experienced them in the present.


Title: Re: Sad Fact about me
Post by: BoyScoutKevin on October 30, 2011, 04:57:08 PM
Warner Brothers animation is probably best known for parodying the stars of Hollywood in its animated short subjects, but Disney Studios did a few, too. For example, in . . .

"Autograph Hound" (1939)
Donald Duck tries to get the autographs of . . .
Greta Garbo -- Sonja Heine -- Mickey Rooney -- Shirley Temple -- the Ritz Brothers.

The Ritz Brothers? That's the one I missed, even though I enjoyed their "The Three Musketeers" w/ Don Ameche, Lionel Atwill, and John Carradine from that same year.

Then when it is learned that Donald is on the studio lot, we have . . .
Charles Boyer -- Eddie Cantor -- Clark Gable -- Katherine Hepburn -- Joe E. Lewis -- the Marx Brothers -- Charlie McCarthy, and if it has not been edited for p.c., Stepin Fetchit

all trying to get Donald's autograph.

But before that, since Walt Disney played polo, till a riding accident forced him to quit, we have "Mickey's Polo Team" (1936.) With on one side . . .

The Movie Stars
Charlie Chaplin -- Oliver Hardy -- Stan Laurel -- and Harpo Marx riding not a horse, but an ostrich.

And on the other side . . .

The Mickey Mousers
Mickey Mouse -- Goofy, when he was still known as the Goof -- the Big Bad Wolf -- and Donald Duck.

And as the referee . . .
the great Jack Holt, valiantly trying and failing miserablely to keep order on the field.

And rooting on the Movie Stars were . . .

W. C. Fields -- Clark Gable -- Greta Garbo, Charles Laughton -- Harold Lloyd -- Edna May Oliver -- and Shirley Temple.

And rooting on the Mickey Mousers were . . .

Ambrose -- Clarabelle -- Cock Robin -- Dirty Bill -- Fifi -- The Flying Mouse -- The Flying Mouse's Mother -- Goldie -- King Midas -- Max Hare -- Peter Penguin -- Polly Penguin -- Pluto -- The 3 Little Pigs -- and the Wise Little Hen.

Almost every star from every animated short subject up till 1936.

But the one that blew every other one away with appearances from Hollywood's stars was the one that came in between those two.

"Mother Goose Goes Hollywood" (1938)

Not a Disney animated character in sight, except for a cameo appearance by Donald Duck, but we had . . . portraying the characters from Mother Goose.

George Arliss -- Fred Astaire -- Freddie Bartholomew -- Wallace Beery -- Joe E. Brown -- Eddie Cantor -- W. C. Fields -- Clark Gable -- Katherine hepburn -- Charles Laughton -- Laurel and Hardy -- The Marx Brothers -- Charlie McCarthy -- Edna May Oliver -- ZaZu Pitts -- Martha Raye -- Edward G. Robinson -- Ned Sparks -- Spencer Tracy -- Mae West, and if you can find one that has not been edited for p.c. Cab Calloway -- Stepin Fetchit -- and Fats Waller

And the two I failed to recognize were Hugh Herbert with his famous "Woo! Woo!" routine and Joe Penner with his even more famous "You wanna buy a duck." routine.

Those were the times. They were wild. And so were the cartoons.

And we are unlikely tosee them again. Not only because seldom do animated short subject play in theaters, but you probably could not find almost 30 Hollywood stars that were distinctive enough you could parody them. And if you could, it is doubtful most film goers would be able to recognize the majority of them.